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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on August 30, 2004, 09:16:57 AM
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Which are you?
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Depends on my mood when I log in, or if I'm involved in a mission or winging....I've done both. But one thing constant: I was never concerned about my score.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Which are you?
Fly to live but no way I will RTB unless out of ammo or gliding after fuel is out. A couple of times I have chased planes around without any ammo left, just so I can even the numbers, lol
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If someone needs my help I'll run the thing empty. However, if I'm not needed or out of ammo, I'll get out of there.
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base defense: fly till u die, run out of ammo, or secure the base.
fighter sweep, attack run, CT and Special Events: fly to live.
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fight till i die, or get a goodly number of kills (4+) then if the coast is fairly clear i land em
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I never take off with the intent to die.
I always intend to live, but I will take off in situations where I am completely outnumbered and most likely going to die.
More often then not I will die fighting rather than live by flying safely.
I worry little about the outcome and more weather or not I will find a fight.
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I reached my personal best in kills the other night-3! I landed as fast as possible to the nearest base! Usually though I die whether I want to or not. maybe someday I'll live to tell a story!!:)
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I fly until I have fun ... I live more than I die.
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Fly to find a good fight and then land the kills with my squaddies.
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I fly till I die,,,,,
Unfortunately I relive that scenario quite a few times each night.:(
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Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly?!?!?
Thats my moto.. ;)
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Start out with fly to live, but usually turns into fly to DIE. :(
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Fly to live.
Don't care about score or rank only wins and losses.
It's much more intense than climbing/diving into a pile of red cons knowing you're toast stuggling to get at least one kill before you're wasted. No skill in that.
Or....flying a formation of B17's at 200 feet three sectors only to give three kills to the guy that you lawn darted near. Very lame.
Real combat pilots only had one life. That's the way I play too.
No respect to those that have 500 kills but have 500 deaths to go with them.
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Fly till i die ...
If i land ... either i couldn't find a fight or i was the last man standing . That's fun .
Score is merely an illusion .
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Originally posted by Blooz
It's much more intense than climbing/diving into a pile of red cons knowing you're toast stuggling to get at least one kill before you're wasted. No skill in that.
There is skill in diving into a cloud of red cons and killing 3 before you die.
I have the same view as Mars, I dont up expecting to die, I expect to live, but I die a lot because I up in bad odds often. Base defence is my favorite thing to do.
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Fly to live. I play all games to win.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I fly until I have fun ... I live more than I die.
same--its virtual
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I try to live but since I'm only landing about half my sorties I suck.
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Usually fly 'til I die. If I bag more than a couple and can bug out without buying the farm I will try to land em. But only if it doesn't leave a wingman in the lurch.
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I always fly to live. It's all part of the immersion for me, and I like nothing better than RTBing and landing. :)
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I fly until I can't fly anymore. If I remember to land all the better but in most cases I fly until the hordes finally overwhelm me.
ack-ack
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I always plan on landing kills (my main marker k/d), but I don't let it ruin my fun. T&B style more than B&Z style, so that dictates fighting and dieing. I really only run when out of ammo/fuel or to avoid a total gang bang (4/5v1 odds or worse). Even then I'll try to snag a kill or draw one away in the process for a 1v1. Always look for even fights or a bigger red bar than green bar.
Charon
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I always take off with the intention of landing.
Well, there was the one time in the CT that I told my squadmates to "Give my regards to the emperor!" as I took off in a Ki-67 to try to torpedo the American CV that was attacking us with overwelming numbers.
Seriously though, the only stat that I care about is K/D. I don't try to artificially inflate it by flying the fastest aircraft available or by flying like a chicken. K/D is simply an indication of how good I am at actually fighting in the aircraft I choose. I am interested in how I do at fighting, not running, not one pass to see if he is AFK and not pretending to be flying "historically" by avoiding anything resembling danger.
I also like landing, or even sliding a badly damaged aircraft down the runway, after a sortie. It completes the task and has a feeling of satisfaction and success.
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fly till i get kills or go somewhere else
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It's torture enough flying to the fight.
Fly till I die, so I don't have to fly back and forth again.
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You mean you can land the planes too?!?
:D
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I die.
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Fly till I see a fight
Fight till I die or Fight till Im out of ammo/fuel
Fly to live!
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Originally posted by mars01
I never take off with the intent to die.
I always intend to live, but I will take off in situations where I am completely outnumbered and most likely going to die.
More often then not I will die fighting rather than live by flying safely.
I worry little about the outcome and more weather or not I will find a fight.
What Mars said
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I fly to emulate, as closely as possible, what a real WW2 pilot in my plane would do in my situation (usually flying lone wolf w/o a dedicated wingman). Self-preservation was their foremost concern, as is mine, immediately followed by the preservation of those I am flying near if any and then finally the destruction of as many enemy as possible. AH is a role-playing game as well as a simulation for me. I've flown every which way imaginable over the years, I have found that flying to live is just simply the most entertaining way to approach the game for me personally.
Zazen
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I fly to live too but that doesn't mean in a timid manner. If the situation presents itself, advantage or no advantage I'll still fight. I will use common sense if I see to many fighters coming my way. I won't start a TnB fight against someone if in the end I'll just have 4 cons jumping me.
Then again I'll take the chance depending on who it is I'm jumping in for. If a friendly is out there getting jumped that I know won't just ditch me right after I go down to clear them then I'll jump in. Too often have I jumped in for someone and watched them tear off as now the folks jumping him turn on me. Guess it just depends on the situation really.
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Zazen,
Actually I think that is where many of the "realism" fliers go wrong. Self preservation was not always their primary goal. Self preservation and succeeding at the task assigned to them were at often at odds with one another and which a pilot would favor varied.
There are way, way, way too many things that were done in WWII that absolutely would not have happened if self preservation had been the unquestioned first goal.
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I up with every intention of rtbing and landing, just doesnt always work out that way especially when I am in my Hurricane :D
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I fly till I'm out of ammo, gas or enemies, then I fly to live.
eskimo
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I fly till I'm out of ammo, gas or enemies, then I fly to live.
eskimo
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I'm with mars on this one.
Not flying enough to shake off the rust tho..
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Im a fly till i die :lol :lol :lol :lol but i get kills
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Fly to die, whats the point of living when life is so bleak! :P
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Depends on my mood. If Ive flown to live a few runs, I usually fly a few b4 I logoff to just go out and get cwazy.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Zazen,
Actually I think that is where many of the "realism" fliers go wrong. Self preservation was not always their primary goal. Self preservation and succeeding at the task assigned to them were at often at odds with one another and which a pilot would favor varied.
There are way, way, way too many things that were done in WWII that absolutely would not have happened if self preservation had been the unquestioned first goal.
As I said I fly alone on Free Hunt missions almost exclusively. My goal, like any WW2 pilot's would have been in that situation, is to destroy enemy planes in my area. They were expected to do so only insofar as it did not mean sacraficing themselves in the process. The only time I fly with more grandiose mission objectives in mind is on Squadnight, RJO, or in those rare instances I join an organized mission. Still, it is not expected a pilot sacrafice himself for any short-term objective. In WW2, highly trained and experienced pilots were a very precious resource, much morseo than the airplanes themselves, and as such were not to be squandered recklessly.
I am not saying reckless abandon and altruistic self-sacrafice did not happen. I am saying, if it did, it was rare and largely unreported as those pilots operating in this way died in the process, undoubtedly earning a post-humous medal for their widow back home to admire and hang proudly on the mantle above the fireplace as a solemn reminder of her 'heroic' husband. ;)
Zazen
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Fly to live...
I believe the art of the game is to devise a strategy to engage superior odds, disrupt thier mission, then RTB alive.
Any 2bithalfwitlame7wannadweeb can up a plane from a field and run blindly to engage superior odds without any concern for life.
No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his.
General George S. Patton
CAVE TONITRUM
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Originally posted by Nomde
Fly to live...
I believe the art of the game is to devise a strategy to engage superior odds, disrupt thier mission, then RTB alive.
Any 2bithalfwitlame7wannadweeb can up a plane from a field and run blindly to engage superior odds without any concern for life.
CAVE TONITRUM
Nicely put Nomde!
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I fly to live... the best way to do that is to kill every single thing around you as fast as you can so you can rtb with not a single enemy in the air anywhere around you.
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Originally posted by Stang
I fly to live... the best way to do that is to kill every single thing around you as fast as you can so you can rtb with not a single enemy in the air anywhere around you.
Unfortunately, a finite ammoload makes that particular survival tactic problematic at times.:(
Zazen
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Fly for an interesting fight. Flying into 5 bandits above me = not interesting. Chopping throttle and diving 15k to a slow bandit = not interesting. Comming in to a 2 vs 3 or flying the paremeter of a base thats being captured = interesting. Some of the best fights I've had concluded with landing little more than an assist - but the range vox was electric and team oriented.
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Fly until I'm too drunk.
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Originally posted by Nomde
Fly to live...
I believe the art of the game is to devise a strategy to engage superior odds, disrupt thier mission, then RTB alive.
CAVE TONITRUM
Unfortunately Nomde, the norm seems to be more like " I believe the art of the game is to devise a strategy to engage inferior odds with overwhelming force, disrupt thier mission, then RTB alive"
if it wasn't the dar bars would be sort of evenly spread, which they rarely seem to be.
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I fly to live but it don't always work out that way. I enjoy a good T&B fight and landing kills.
If i'm low on fuel / ammo it's RTB. Keep a burst in the guns for insurance going home.
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Fly .... kill kill kill and more kill ... deeper and deeper ... out numbered no problem .... the more the merrier ... kill kill kill ... Oops was that my wing i just saw fall off (as my 3yo baby Roo is yelling "Bail bail bail" ) ... oh well rinse and repeat ...
(i do land a few now and then ):D
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fly to live but as mainly a bomber pilot it usually die
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I would have to say this...I would rather die with 7 kills than rtb with 1. RTB is great, but for me I like to get something out of each flight. I like to get atleast 3 kills before thinking of heading home, unless Im shot up or low gas.
We all play different. Since the planes are pretty much (ENY)unlimited, and cost 15 bucks a month whether I wreck em or return em, Im not too worried about it as long as Im having fun.
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I fly to kill.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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You can land??????
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Fly to live here. Unless im outnumbered and pissed.:aok
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Yes
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To live.
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i fly to kill people and more importantly; have fun, if i live its a bonus.
BnZ and running is boring.
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I fight harder to live than the purest furballers, but I'm more willing to die than the pure K/D warriors.
The combination of cautiousness with random bursts of recklessness can be very unsettling to the K/D warriors who make the mistake of pegging an opponents fighting style too early in a fight.
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Redd,
There's a difference between "forming" a strategy and actual practice. I believe the reality of the game lays somewhere between all the replies in this post.
Our squad stresses everyone making it home safe after a mission. It doesn't always happen, and during some missions none of us RTB. Like playing chess, you don't always win, but the enjoyment is forming a strategy and watching it unfold.
It's a continual learning process, if nothing is learned, then nothing gained.
I will be the first to admit that on some days, the best strategy is to saddle up with your favorite beer, a warm sheep, and watch the slaughter unfold :D
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I agree with Nomde. Rather than pigeon-hole yourself or anyone into one style or another, what it all boils down to is timing. Once you reach a certain point the only thing that differentiates one fight, flight or campaign from another is timing. Timing more than any other single factor determines success or failure in any form of combat, whether it be for the fleeting instant of a snap-shot opportunity or a protracted campaign.
Whether it's the brief fraction of a second it takes to squeeze off a fatal burst of fire to the guaging of the ebb and flow of a pitched battle between two fields, timing is what determines outcomes. Timing is what you lose first when you are out of practice. Timing is more of an intuitive 'feel' than tactical dogma. Timing is that subtle voice in your head as you are engaged that says, "Ok, pull for lead....NOW!". An excellent sense of timing is only gained by alot of experience in a wide variety of situations and requires alot of anticipation of an enemy's likely next move and intentions. Timing is what sets two relatively equal pilots apart in terms of the cummulative end results they achieve. Timing is just that "Knowing' you are in the temporal 'G' spot for that critical manuever or shot. It's combat intuition in real-time motion.
Knowing the correct time to energy fight, angles fight, stay high, get low, keep fast, remain slow, drag 'em down, pull 'em up, run like hell or take the shot is what determines success or failure. Do any of those things at the incorrect time and one of two possible outcomes will transpire.
1) You will Die.
2) You will fail to Kill.
Either of those two outcomes means you were unsuccessfull. No matter for which tactical doctrine you have the greatest affinity, everyone endeavors to kill and would rather not die. Timing is the critical factor that determines this, no matter how you choose to fly. It's so simple, yet so subtle, an easily understood concept that can never be totally perfected or mastered just by virtue of the infinitely dynamic nature of combat.
Timing is everything.
Zazen
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fly to live. if i have to end a mission prematurely, i ditch rather than auger.
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Originally posted by ebgb
Heh, contemplative meditation is very healthy, just don't forget to eat! ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
fly to live. if i have to end a mission prematurely, i ditch rather than auger.
Yea, it's not about the score, it's about doing what a real pilot would do in your situation. Sure it takes you longer to get re-planed trying to ditch or land, but it's exciting in its own way to play as if it were real life.
Zazen
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The fact is you can not die in AH,so the real skill is trying to kill and get those kills back to base.
But I'm a noob so what do I know :)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Yea, it's not about the score, it's about doing what a real pilot would do in your situation. Sure it takes you longer to get re-planed trying to ditch or land, but it's exciting in its own way to play as if it were real life.
Zazen
exacRy. That's how I flew Air Warrior. That's how I fly AH. And, when HTC decides to retire and sell-out to EA Games..forcing us all to move on, I'll fly that way in the next online sim, too.
Scientific research has proven that "gaming the game" is a sign of impotency & poor hygiene.
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Always fly to live. I try and always wing up with someone in my area because if you fly alone, you die alone.
P.S LMAO @ tbolt avatar :eek:
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Slimm50 said it first reply:
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Depends on my mood when I log in, or if I'm involved in a mission or winging....I've done both. But one thing constant: I was never concerned about my score.
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I always fly to kill and blow up others and my intention is always to live. Unfortunately this seems to come in direct conflict with the extremely unreasonable and unfair desire of others to kill me. As a result I ... I ... don't make it back to base, uh am forced to land with 1 wing... uh make a hard landing due to a lack of fusilage...
uh uh uh I blow up due to bad workmanship at the factory ..... whatever it is - it's not my fault!
On a more serious but no less insane note I have been known to continue to fly in combat without ammo. It's actually lot's of fun to be less than 200k behind someone that is frantically trying do get away and he has no idea that I am out of ammo and enjoying the torture.