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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: anonymous on August 30, 2004, 11:08:18 AM
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before anyone breaks out the muskets read the article. :) http://www.opinionjournal.com/pl/?id=110005545
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Most of that is pretty well put from my perspective.
I expect there'll be a lot of fingers in the ears and "lalalalalalallalalalala" from folks that can't face it.
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No argument from me. He's right, I think.
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sounds pretty accurate i guess...
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The Republicans are just better at smear campaigns, plain and simple. No arguement from me.
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^ and you are wrong.
Do you believe that all the "good" PR and marketing people work for the Republican Party, and the Democratic Party is left with Ma and Pa from the bake sale?
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Originally posted by JimBear
^ and you are wrong.
Do you believe that all the "good" PR and marketing people work for the Republican Party, and the Democratic Party is left with Ma and Pa from the bake sale?
No. I think it just comes natural to Republicans...like a pig takes to slop.
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What a joke. The pot and the kettle.
You yourself are noted for smearing Bush's Guard Service. You have become your enemy. Although perhaps your enemy became you.
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makes you wonder if Bush hadn't invaded Iraq if the dumbacrats platform would be that Bush is weak, after all he's not a "real" soldier, and that war hero skerry will do the right thing and invade and protect us from the crazy sandmans WMD's - LOL
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Well here goes some of my respect for Jimmy Carter..
These days, overseas opponents of America's war effort cite the agitprop movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" as if it were authoritative--and the Democrats treated the maker of that film as a hero at their convention, where he was an honored guest of Jimmy Carter.
Also this article makes me better understand some of the attacks against me by you bbs liberals, and hopefully will make you understand why I dont really give a damn about them. ;)
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Originally posted by rpm371
The Republicans are just better at smear campaigns, plain and simple. No arguement from me.
thanks for the entertainment. reading the nonsense you type and remembering the "discovery" of a college years dui arrest from thirty years ago a couple of days before the last election-hate to break it to you but the "modern" dems are the inventors and masters of the smear campaign. its tactic number one for them every time. dem senators and congressmen have leveled baseless insults at our cic and his cabinet that have no match coming from republican side.
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rpm... the dems have the largest amount of smear tactics and the support of the "artistic" and the media.. they shoot themselves in the foot because they have so little respect for the inteligence of the average voter... they think a huge lie like f911 will get swallowed and never be questioned... when it collapses under it's own blated makers weight (as I said it would) they are genuinely surprised.
The other thing is that libs tend to form their own support groups where no nutball theory or slander or lie is too bizzare for them to get the endorsement of fellow libs... they actually start believing the f911 type crap before they have a chance to think it through.
lazs
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The only problem I have with the article (other than it made me want to puke :) ) is that he implies that the attacks on Cleland's patriotism were figments of the Dem's imagination.
Cleland's opponent ran pictures of him (Cleland) along side Osama bin Laden... as if the 2 were in cahoots.
The truth pointed out is that these slurs seem to stick (valid or not) to the dems and not to the reps.
Sad but true.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The truth pointed out is that these slurs seem to stick (valid or not) to the dems and not to the reps.
Sad but true.
Gee I wonder why..
(http://www.wellesley.edu/Polisci/wj/Vietimages/fondaBW.gif)
(http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/Photos_04/fonda.jpg)
(http://a.abcnews.com/media/US/images/ap_sean_penn_030219_nh.jpg)
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Could you be more vague?
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he was pretty spot-on when it comes to critiquing Dem campaign tactics. I've been fairly disappointed with their performance so far (though not nearly as disappointed with Buh's performance as pres).
he was completely wrong on this point though-
" No one seriously believes Messrs. Ashcroft, Bush, Cheney and Rove are unpatriotic. "
I do, many do. IMO you can't be a patriotic American and intentionally do as much damage to our country as Bush Cheney and Ashcroft have.
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What campaign tactics?
Some 80% of Keery's camaign is "Reporting for Doody" and "Here is my band of brothers who I once accused of being war criminals worse than the hordes of ghengis Khan but now think are swell charcater witnesses to my glorious heroic service in Vietnam!" And "BTW please ignore my 19 years of shamefully pathetic service oin the Senate where I accompliesed nothing but managed to vote against almost every major weapons system for the defense of our nation - did I mention I won 3 purple hreats?"
The rest is simply promising everything under the sun thats appealing to the plarticular audience spoken to that hour.
You guys picked a crappy candidte with no record to run on except his vietnam service. What did you think would happend with the baby boomer generation left leaning democratic party running a candidate more or less only on his service in the hated vietnam war... It's a farce and moreover it's a shame you couldnt have fielded a better set of candidates at the start. Dean, Mosely-Braun, Kuchinic, Sharpon, Edwards, the last weeks Republican Clark all those were a joke..
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Capt apathy. I was just wondering what damage you believe they have done?
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Why democrats have a patriotism problem..
Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution
This was the 1991 vote to expell Saddam's forces from Kuwait by force.
Details of the bill:
http://www.uiowa.edu/~c030162/Common/Handouts/War/PersianGulf.htm
Details of the vote
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=102&session=1&vote=00002
Barely passed 52/47
Please note the party affiliations:
Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---52
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brown (R-CO)
Bryan (D-NV)
Burns (R-MT)
Chafee (R-RI)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cohen (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
D'Amato (R-NY)
Danforth (R-MO)
Dole (R-KS)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durenberger (R-MN)
Garn (R-UT)
Gore (D-TN)
Gorton (R-WA)
Graham (D-FL)
Gramm (R-TX)
Hatch (R-UT)
Heflin (D-AL)
Heinz (R-PA)
Helms (R-NC)
Jeffords (R-VT)
Johnston (D-LA)
Kassebaum (R-KS)
Kasten (R-WI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Mack (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nickles (R-OK)
Packwood (R-OR)
Pressler (R-SD)
Reid (D-NV)
Robb (D-VA)
Roth (R-DE)
Rudman (R-NH)
Seymour (R-CA)
Shelby (D-AL)
Simpson (R-WY)
Smith (R-NH)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Symms (R-ID)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Wallop (R-WY)
Warner (R-VA)
NAYs ---47
Adams (D-WA)
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bentsen (D-TX)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boren (D-OK)
Bradley (D-NJ)
Bumpers (D-AR)
Burdick, Quentin S (D-ND)
Byrd (D-WV)
Conrad (D-ND)
Daschle (D-SD)
DeConcini (D-AZ)
Dixon (D-IL)
Dodd (D-CT)
Exon (D-NE)
Ford (D-KY)
Fowler (D-GA)
Glenn (D-OH)
Grassley (R-IA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatfield (R-OR)
Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerrey (D-NE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Metzenbaum (D-OH)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Mitchell (D-ME)
Moynihan (D-NY)
Nunn (D-GA)
Pell (D-RI)
Pryor (D-AR)
Riegle (D-MI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanford (D-NC)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Sasser (D-TN)
Simon (D-IL)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wirth (D-CO)
Again I wonder why they have patriotism problems.. The vast majority of Democrats voted against protecting our genuine national intrests in this case..
So yea gee I wonder why...
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Hmmm... not quite topical.
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Wow....does this mean Kerry is more libral than france?
The french participated in the first gulf war.....Kerry voted against it? That's a shocker.
Here's why kerry makes a poor canidate.
He's a war vetran....then a protester....now he's a pro war canidate....but didnt really mean to vote for the war......then he votes for the money to support the war....than votes against it......then he says we should pull some troops out of Korea and Europe....then he says its a bad idea......Then he says he'd pull the troops out iraq in 6 months......than he says we need to remain steadfast.
Meanwhile MOST of his base does not agree with him on MOST of these issues.
The other reason that the left has a problem with patriotism is they align themselves w/ communism socialism and terrorism. Most good folks just cant relate to that and think its downright un-american.