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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: anonymous on August 30, 2004, 01:42:19 PM
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please reply with a "yes" only if you believe that bush jr "lied to lead the us into a shooting war against iraq". i want a simple easy to read list of everybody who believes this to be true. thank you for your time.
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eleven
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Define "lied".
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Life should not be that simple.
Especially not when your talking foreign polcy.
I think they were working with the best information available at the time. However estimating intelligence has always been a dice throw.
Last, you want me to be nice to you, give you what you want. Show up here with your ingame handle. Or admit you don't fly AH. As long as your "anonymous" your chum bait in a shark feeding frenzy.
Watch your 6!
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He rushed into it, with a hot head, and didn't think it all through clearly...
And of course he lied...
But I back him as our president..
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Originally posted by anonymous
i want a simple easy to read list of everybody who believes this to be true.
...and with this list you will do ______________?
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Ill take flame bait for 400 alex.
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Originally posted by Furious
...and with this list you will do ______________?
i think statement "bush lied about wmd" is incorrect, uninformed, stupidly simplistic, and so on. ive seen a couple of people state this i want to know who else believes it to be true.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Life should not be that simple.
Especially not when your talking foreign polcy.
I think they were working with the best information available at the time. However estimating intelligence has always been a dice throw.
Last, you want me to be nice to you, give you what you want. Show up here with your ingame handle. Or admit you don't fly AH. As long as your "anonymous" your chum bait in a shark feeding frenzy.
Watch your 6!
i first wrote something here when all i did was play "head to head". i still play "head to head" when im at home and have free time to do something like play on the comp. if it is some great favor to ask for you to answer a simple question about what you believe in then do dont me any favors. ill get over it.
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Originally posted by anonymous
i think statement "bush lied about wmd" is incorrect, uninformed, stupidly simplistic, and so on. ive seen a couple of people state this i want to know who else believes it to be true.
annonymous, is a possible mobile biological weapons factory an actual wepeaon of mass distruction, or does it possibly produce weapons of mass destruction?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
annonymous, is a possible mobile biological weapons factory an actual wepeaon of mass distruction, or does it possibly produce weapons of mass destruction?
This was pointless the first time you brought it up and it's still pointless. Find a better one, a much better one. :)
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The warning light on the bate detector gizmo is going bananas.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
annonymous, is a possible mobile biological weapons factory an actual wepeaon of mass distruction, or does it possibly produce weapons of mass destruction?
thrawn heres my version. he didnt have the capability but had the ability to get it if the situation continued. he couldnt allow iran to know he didnt have the capability because theyd come after him and he was weak after being dumb enough to waste his military in and around kuwait. he couldnt be seen as bowing to open inspection like a subservient biatch because he ruled out of fear and the second he had a perceived weakness one of his own guys would have taken him out. he did things that were designed to leave western intel in a zone of "cant be sure he does cant verify he doesnt" and was hoping no one would call his bluff. someone did. but bush jr never "lied". if youre the cic and all your various intel sources and all your allies various intel sources brief you and you dont listen youd be considered a dangerous idiot. "bush lied" is nothing but a political statement. intel is never perfect never has been no matter how good the guys working on it or how good the toys they have area. i find it disgusting how the same people screaming "bush lied kids died" are the same group who have been for the hamstringing of our intel guys since the seventies. they get what they want a chopped off at the knees intel community and then when the consequences hit they blame their political enemy. scumbags every last one of them.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
The warning light on the bate detector gizmo is going bananas.
its nothing but what i said. just answer the question. i see people type the statement all the time i just dont want to have to search out every post to get a list of people who believe it to be true. what are you afraid of?
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If by never perfect you mean piss poor with regards to the intel, then you're correct.
-SW
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I don't think he lied about expecting them to be there. However, I don't believe that WMD was the real motivator behind the administration's decision to go into Iraq.
A good public selling point once links to Al Queada fizzled (remember, that was the first message that was floated), a stronger argument than saving the Iraqi people from Hussein (always a secondary message), getting nuked in your bed by Saddam -- works every time.
Charon
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Originally posted by anonymous
its nothing but what i said. just answer the question. i see people type the statement all the time i just dont want to have to search out every post to get a list of people who believe it to be true. what are you afraid of?
Lol, im not afraid of anything.. atleast nothng that has to do wiht this bbs :D
Either he lied, had another agenda, bad advisors or someone in the information chain didnt do their job.
Nobody including you know what has really happened... except them ofcourse. I really hope they do.
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cant get a yes even. you guys are like trying to get a chick to tell you where she wants to go to dinner.
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Theres a lot of different places to go to dinner, not all of them the same.
Unless you're cheap as ****, which you are, and you take your chicks only to McDonalds. People like you make me sick.
-SW
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Personally, I do not believe that "Bush lied about WMD" in the sense that he knew/suspected that Iraq did not have stockpiles of WMD, and/or the capacity to create new weapons.
However, I do not think that the President, or the Administration felt that these WMD were a threat to the United States, either by direct Iraqi use, or via cooperation with Terrorists.
-Sik
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Theres a lot of different places to go to dinner, not all of them the same.
Unless you're cheap as ****, which you are, and you take your chicks only to McDonalds. People like you make me sick.
-SW
have you been following me? :)
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"This was pointless the first time you brought it up and it's still pointless. Find a better one, a much better one."
Hey Grun,
knock-knock
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Unless you're cheap as ****, which you are, and you take your chicks only to McDonalds. People like you make me sick.
-SW
In
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Originally posted by anonymous
i think statement "bush lied about wmd" is incorrect, uninformed, stupidly simplistic, and so on. ive seen a couple of people state this i want to know who else believes it to be true.
bout 98% of the rest of the planet....
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Originally posted by Thrawn
"This was pointless the first time you brought it up and it's still pointless. Find a better one, a much better one."
Hey Grun,
knock-knock
Go home Thrawn you junkie! I aint got no more smack for you till you come up with the cash... ;)
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Originally posted by anonymous
have you been following me? :)
YES! I have nothing better to do, and so lonely.
-SW
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NO! and if he did so what? This job should have been done over 10 years ago.
I say lets get Iran next!
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Cripes you should all be politicans yourselfs, he asked for a simple yes or no answer and there hasn't been one yet. :rofl
Of course the dumbarse lied.
YES
...-Gixer
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maybe
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Originally posted by OneWordAnswer
maybe
lmao
This thread rocks.. hehe
Yes..
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the weatherman "LIED" to all those ppl who fled their homes in Pinellas county when they were told Charlie was going to wipe them out ....
LOL - some of you are so ignorant, if you weren't serious, you'd be hilarious
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(http://www.georgewbush.com/images/gallery/33.jpg)
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If you call being misinformed by our and british intelligence and acting on it liying,(Why do you think we are changing the C.I.A.)
YES
But whether he lied or not it does not matter because saddam was a US enemy that previously had WMDs and may have still had them.
answer this YES or NO. Was bringing human rights and democracy to Afganistan and Iraq bad for the people of those countries or the world.
I say NO, and to those who say YES stop watching CNN.
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Saddam and Iraq had, have, and will, have exactly what to do with Afghanistan?
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Saddam and Iraq had, have, and will, have exactly what to do with Afghanistan?
-SW
They are both part of the War on Terror. Other than that... they are both Middle Eastern nations, both formerly held under the grip of oppressive regiemes, etc, etc.
Whatever else do you mean?
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When discussing Saddam, Iraq, and the war, I see Afghanistan being brought up in the same sentence by someone when no one has made a single disagreement with regards to Afghanistan.
Just curious why something irrelevant to the discussion was brought into it - perhaps to strengthen a point?
-SW
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BTW- I never asked what they had in common, but what they had to do with each other.
-SW
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hero worship.
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Originally posted by anonymous
please reply with a "yes" only if you believe that bush jr "lied to lead the us into a shooting war against iraq". i want a simple easy to read list of everybody who believes this to be true. thank you for your time.
while we are involved in a totally stupid topic, Ill point out a totally irrelevant fact.
President Bush is not a "Junior". The W, which stands for Walker, differs completely from the middle name of his father, which is Herbert.
BTW. Ive come to the conclusion that I have very little respect for the presidential criticisms of the American left. Take a look at the comment bush made about the war on terror in the taped interview that aired recently. Any American with a marginal degree of common sense (which HOPEFULLY represents a majority) can see that his quote was taken out of context.
Whereas the mainstream media is content to put one phrase upon the American people, who are starving for any juicy information on a lie or throwback from a government official.
What makes it EVEN more fun and wonderful is what kind of effect this is going to have on Kerry's numbers. John Edwards pounced on that quote like a linebacker on a loose ball. And I garuntee that Bush will be called a flip-flopper for the quote, just because of the shock value! But the American people, which I HOPE have some sense, are going to see how John Kerry is blowing this out of proportion just for his gain... its going to be beautiful.
The Kerry campaign and the left in general just peed into a light socket. A giggling Bush stands by :)
Come on people.. its "Taken out of Context: 101"
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NO
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Originally posted by anonymous
please reply with a "yes" only if you believe that bush jr "lied to lead the us into a shooting war against iraq". i want a simple easy to read list of everybody who believes this to be true. thank you for your time.
His intention? No.
Plausible deniability. Those that spread the "intel" as truthful and legit to our politicians and policy makers are the ones guilty of spreading lies. The politicians were guilty of accepting the data as fact and truth.
If I gave you a new theory of xxxx, gave you falsified data that I manipulated as the truth, and you then spread that new theory as fact, you would not be guilty of lying. Your intent was not to deceive.
Edit....If however you knew what I had was not truthful but decided to spread the theory as fact, then you would be guilty of lying.
I believe Bush took for truth the intel presented him.