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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: LWACE on August 31, 2004, 02:30:09 AM
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Flame bait
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Nice! The video stars with a Hitler speech!
The rest of it is just as much nonsense. Thank god that millions of people saw in person, on live TV and filmed the WTC plane hits or we would be hearing the same garbage about those attacks.
You do undertstand that any pentagon attack conspiracy implies that the US goverrnment had clear and explicilty detailed foreknowlege and thus agreement to the concurrent 911 attacks on NYC... In other words that the government was responsible for the attacks.
So before anyone asks themseleves if some coverup exists iover the pentagon you must ask yourself wheter you think the US government was responsible for carrying out the 911 attacks.
If you do think so, then please seek professional mental help.
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LWAce, that's stupid.
Very conveniently forgets that there were a bunch of people ON the plane who died, including a CNN journalist who spoke with her husband to tell him that their plane was being hijacked:
(http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/notable.victims/story.barbara.olson.jpg)
There are also people who think the Holocaust never happened and that nobody has ever landed on the moon.
I have two links for you to read that should help you stumble through life without metaphorically crapping your pants in public again:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occams_razor
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Originally posted by Chairboy
LWAce, that's stupid.
Very conveniently forgets that there were a bunch of people ON the plane who died, including a CNN journalist who spoke with her husband to tell him that their plane was being hijacked:
(http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/notable.victims/story.barbara.olson.jpg)
There are also people who think the Holocaust never happened and that nobody has ever landed on the moon.
I have two links for you to read that should help you stumble through life without metaphorically crapping your pants in public again:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occams_razor
Great point. These 911 consiracy theorists are the same sort of mental defectives who deny the holocaust.
I must add that usually holocaust deniers are Nazi types who actually love the fact that the nazis killed so many jews but cannot bring themselves to admit it publically for some reason. Again I think the same condition applies to the 911 attack conspiracists.
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maybe you guys need to seek eye glasses? i dont see the part where i said i thought it was ture.
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Then state clearly that you thought it was nonsnsense.. :)
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sorry.. anyways here the article that went with it. http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm (http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm)
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TEHRE AER NO TANKS IN BAGHDA.... OR I MEAN COMMI HQ!
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I love the higly aeronautical professional analysis used by these nuts..
Here is a fantastic line:
A 757, under NO circumstances makes a sound of "whoosh!"
Another great one:
The exhaust of those huge engines is like a supersonic cannon!
And:
If a 757 was low enough to hit light poles, it should have blown the witnesses' eardrums out along with everything else in the engine's way.
Amazing nonsense!
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FOOL>LWACE
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Creamo < How Much I Care.
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Creamo u work on planes dont you?
What do you think about these critical scientific findings about 757 woosh supersonic cannon sounds?
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Further reading for you, LWace. It's a timeline of the entire attack.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&day_of_911=aa77
You still haven't said you don't believe it, so the only logical conclusion is that you have serious doubts that a 757 rammed into the Pentagon.
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lmao chairboy u make me laugh, so u think there is no possible way the gov could have landed the plane in some random hanger and killed the people in that plane right after making 1 person call his family at gunpoint?? seeing as the plane went off radar minuted before the crash??? What happened to uj is what i call media brainwash u see 2 planes hit WTC buidling...how many of you saw footage of a plane hitting the pentagon?? Not to mention countless eye witnesses that said the plane was much smaller. So how about u tell me why not one part of a HUGE 757 was found at the crash site???
IMO its easy to believe that the gov would pull somthing like this to get the public to backup a war aginst iraq, not to mention the fact that bush hates iraq and would do anything to live of to his fathers dreams of taking down iraq for good.
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keep wasting your time buddy, i know exactly what happend as far as the time line goes, ive read alll kinds of stuff about the attacks etc etc, i posted a movie a friend showd me for everyone else to look at. I said DECIDE for yourself, but thanks for trying to educate me, i appreciate it.
never said i thought it was true never said i didnt, im open to both sides, overall i just thought it was an interesting read.
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It may well be a complete crock, but it does raise some interesting questions, like why is the film from all these security cameras kept secret? Why not show the evidence to back up the story? Unless of course that evidence tells a differant story alltogether.
Not saying I believe it, but why the secrecy?
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Originally posted by Dank
lmao chairboy u make me laugh, so u think there is no possible way the gov could have landed the plane in some random hanger and killed the people in that plane right after making 1 person call his family at gunpoint?? seeing as the plane went off radar minuted before the crash??? What happened to uj is what i call media brainwash u see 2 planes hit WTC buidling...how many of you saw footage of a plane hitting the pentagon?? Not to mention countless eye witnesses that said the plane was much smaller. So how about u tell me why not one part of a HUGE 757 was found at the crash site???
IMO its easy to believe that the gov would pull somthing like this to get the public to backup a war aginst iraq, not to mention the fact that bush hates iraq and would do anything to live of to his fathers dreams of taking down iraq for good.
Phew I qouted this before you came to your senses.
BTW which one of the lunatics are you? At least you are embarrsed enought to post annonimously.
Plese see my commrents about holocaust deniers as well.
Admit it you were damned happy on 911...
Who are you?
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Originally posted by LWACE
keep wasting your time buddy, i know exactly what happend as far as the time line goes, ive read alll kinds of stuff about the attacks etc etc, i posted a movie a friend showd me for everyone else to look at. I said DECIDE for yourself, but thanks for trying to educate me, i appreciate it.
So you are still not saying you dont belive the consipracy theories.
Simple yes no please. Do you belive these theories as of right now.
YES or NO
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Exactly Bluedog, i thought like you, didnt say it did happen didnt say it didnt, was just interesting.
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saying yes or no is just stupid.... what would you do tomorrow if it was all a set up? i already said im open to both sides, i think both could happen. i dont lean one way or the other.
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good point blue, y are they kept a secret? they had no problem showing the WTC building being hit.
now before u people rip at what i am saying why dont u debate the issues i am bringing up? u cant, if u think u can try, and BTW a debate isnt saying U LOVED 911,
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Originally posted by LWACE
saying yes or no is just stupid.... what would you do tomorrow if it was all a set up? i already said im open to both sides, i think both could happen. i dont lean one way or the other.
So you think this lunatic conspiracy theory is just as likey as the truth, that being the death of 200 people in DC at the hands of terrorits on the same day when 3000 others died to their compatriots in new york and pensylvania...
You are sick.
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Can we get some ip tracking here to idenitify this shade account lunatic?
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i dont see how not counting possible stuff out is loving 911, to be honest i cryd on 911, i cant imagine what it would have been like to be on those planes.
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Personal attack
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Dank is the friend who showd me this, then i told him what you said, and he came to speak his thoughts.
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So Dank is one of the conspiracy nouts that propagets this garbage to ignorant people like lwace. Dank is not your friend. He is a man who is using you to spread his lies because he thinks youv are ignorant enough to belive them.
Hi Dank..
Youv want a discussion?
Ok lets discuss this by your lunatic conspiracy nut rukes:
(http://www.september11news.com/Flight93CraterReuters.jpg)
Recognize it? This is the supposed Flight 93 crash site.
WHERE IS THE PLANE? WHERE IS THE HUGE BOEING AIRLINER? ALL I SEE IS CONFETTI!!!
I mean its obvious you lunatics cant deny the WTC attacks, so you have to focus your hatred of the USA on conjuring up some Pentagon conspiracy.
But why ignore poor flight 93?
So WTC was obviously hijacked passenger planes.
Pentagon was an evil US conspiracy with some small plane.
So what was flight 93?
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Hey Grun, you love America right? You believe in freedom?
Well this is just an example of the freedom of expression right.
Take a cold shower and suck it up.
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Not saying it is just as likely, just not taking the mass media story at face value.
The idea that the United States govt would attack it's own nerve centre to pull the wool over the world's eyes I find to be utterly ludicrous, yet I find the veil of secrecy to be strange, and the damage to the buildings seems inconsistant with what was supposed to have happened.
Admittedly, my knowledge of 757 crashes is allmost non-existant, consisting soley of photos I've seen, but none of them looked anything like what the Pentagon looked like shortly after it was attacked.
What happened to the plane? Why is there a small hole bored through several walls, wouldn't a 757 at 500 odd mph make a real BIG hole?
edit PS Grun, why does questioning the facts equal hating America? i dont get that.
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Originally posted by deSelys
Hey Grun, you love America right? You believe in freedom, right.
Well this is just an example of the freedom of expression right.
Take a cold shower and suck it up.
He is pfree to express whatever he wants. I'm just as free to bash him saying such awplowy rearded and evil things.
So you suck it up... :)
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i dont see why ur so pissed and flaming because i wont say i dont think its true and i wont say i think it is true. Maybe you should seek mental help.
Read what bluedog is saying, this is the stuff that made me think.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Creamo u work on planes dont you?
What do you think about these critical scientific findings about 757 woosh supersonic cannon sounds?
Doesn't matter. I have watched the BBS for a long time, this thread is dead. Skuzzy will end it .
It's disgusting.
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Flame bait
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Not saying it is just as likely, just not taking the mass media story at face value.
The idea that the United States govt would attack it's own nerve centre to pull the wool over the world's eyes I find to be utterly ludicrous, yet I find the veil of secrecy to be strange, and the damage to the buildings seems inconsistant with what was supposed to have happened.
Admittedly, my knowledge of 757 crashes is allmost non-existant, consisting soley of photos I've seen, but none of them looked anything like what the Pentagon looked like shortly after it was attacked.
What happened to the plane? Why is there a small hole bored through several walls, wouldn't a 757 at 500 odd mph make a real BIG hole?
The hole is perfectly consitent with the three densest objects on the plane.
Them being the long fuselage and the two wing mounted engines. Evertyhing else is quite fragile when it comes to slamming into thicj steel reinforced concrete walls.
The main damage area in the pentagon outer wall matches the width of a 757 from engine to engine. The outer wings just werent dense ebough to cause significant damage.
None of thgis is complicated and we went over this nonsese on this bbs some years ago.
Its retarded to see it pup up again. But no amount of evidence stopped the holocaust denyers and as I allready said these guys are just as nutzi as them.
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Flame bait
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Originally posted by Dank
Flame bait
So in your world the WTC attcak was merely a diversion to the real attack on the penatgon.. In fact this elaborate plan to ram two huge airliners into the WTC possibly killing 20,000 people was only done so people in washington DC would be led to think that the pentagon was struck by a large passenger liner instead of a smaller aircraft..
OK.. LWACE you see now that your friend is a lunatic.
Amazing!
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The main damage area in the pentagon outer wall matches the width of a 757 from engine to engine. The outer wings just werent dense ebough to cause significant damage.
From the photos i saw that was definatly not the case maybe i YOU should look at them seeing as i know u havnt read any of what the site posted above.
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LWACE are you begging to doubt your friend's sanity yet?
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Umm no, actually if you took 2 seconds to realize how many advantages this would give bush in the upcoming election or being backed up by the public when asking to invade iraq. All the fact arnbt out yet no one knows for sure what the gov could have planned. And i am guessing from your standpoint the gov hides nothing and that piece of land labeled area 51 is so importantl that u will be shot if seen on it, but there is nothing to hide, right?
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I must have missed the note saying this BBS had been bought by GRUNHERZ. Do you sell coupons?
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Bashing is ok but...
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Can we get some ip tracking here to idenitify this shade account lunatic?
...who the hell do you think you are? Some HTC censorship authority??
OTOH:
Originally posted by Dank
Grun have u ever thought that the WTC was a setup to make people think thats what happened to the pentagon? maybe because you to believe that it was a 757 hitting the pentagon after you saw it hit the WTC buiidings over and over. Try thinking for yourself instead of what you see on tv.
This doesn't sum up: if somebody is using airliners againts the WTC as a set up, why not use another airliner against the Pentagon??
But the secrecy around the Pentagon attack is strange...
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Originally posted by Dank
Umm no, actually if you took 2 seconds to realize how many advantages this would give bush in the upcoming election or being backed up by the public when asking to invade iraq. All the fact arnbt out yet no one knows for sure what the gov could have planned. And i am guessing from your standpoint the gov hides nothing and that piece of land labeled area 51 is so importantl that u will be shot if seen on it, but there is nothing to hide, right?
Wow he does alien conspircay theories too. :rofl
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im done with this, you guys have fun, bed time.
ive said what I think. im sorry because i wont say its impossible this could happen, that you decide i am a lunatic etc etc.
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Originally posted by deSelys
...who the hell do you think you are? Some HTC censorship authority??
I only asked if anyone could help id this new guy, I thought it was one of our resident loons hiding under a new name. And how is knowing who somebody is a form of censorship.. :)
But I now see that he's an all new loon.
BTW reading your post it seems that only HTC can do identification by IP, I didnt know that so I'm sorry if me asking that upset you somehow.
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Personal attack
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The truth is out there dank. And so is the sun and people other than your mother. Please put down the X-files season set DVDs, climb out of the basement and do something fun- summer's almost over.
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Personal attack
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Personal attack
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The truth is out there dank. And so is the sun and people other than your mother. Please put down the X-files season set DVDs, climb out of the basement and do something fun- summer's almost over.
Listen to him. Keep your mind busy, never ask questions, think happy thoughts, no wait, DONT THINK, EVER!!!
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So we come to the real matter at last, this is really all about yoiur hatred of Bush..
Fantastic... You are doing your side proud, keep up the good work Dank! Spread the word...
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Personal attack
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Originally posted by Dank
lmao chairboy u make me laugh, so u think there is no possible way the gov could have landed the plane in some random hanger and killed the people in that plane right after making 1 person call his family at gunpoint?? seeing as the plane went off radar minuted before the crash??? What happened to uj is what i call media brainwash u see 2 planes hit WTC buidling...how many of you saw footage of a plane hitting the pentagon?? Not to mention countless eye witnesses that said the plane was much smaller. So how about u tell me why not one part of a HUGE 757 was found at the crash site???
IMO its easy to believe that the gov would pull somthing like this to get the public to backup a war aginst iraq, not to mention the fact that bush hates iraq and would do anything to live of to his fathers dreams of taking down iraq for good.
Here is how Dank thinks the people on flight 77 really died. In his world the plane landed at some hangar, one person was forced to cell phone his family at gun point and then all were killed.
Amazing stuff...
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Personal attack
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Again he must mention Bush..
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lol do you love him that much that i am affending you? or do u just like to point it out whenever i say it. i hope your not going to start drooling over my words like you have his =X
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sorry.. anyways here the article that went with it. http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm (http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm)
You know they have a little Q & A session with aliens in that article?
Did we ask the C's?
Yes. On August 24, 2002. Here is their answer.
Q: Did a Boeing 757, Flight 77, crash into the Pentagon?
A: No.
Q: What did produce the damage to the pentagon?
A: It was very close to what you have surmised: a drone craft specially modified to give certain "impressions" to witnesses. Even the windows were not "real."
Q: What happened to Flight 77?
A: It was landed and now resides, in part, in fourth density.
Q: What do you mean by that?
A: As we have mentioned before, certain bases have this property due to direct interaction with denizens of that realm.
Q: What about the passengers? What happened to the humans?
A: Let us just say that the "human" part now resides at 5th density.
Q: Did they kill them and use parts of them for DNA identification?
A: "Parts" is the correct word.
Q: (Guest comments) Oh! I was hoping they were still alive somewhere!
A: Do you think that any of them could be "allowed" to survive?
Q: When you say that the plane is now partly in 4th density, do you mean it was "taken" while aloft, as happened to the military jet over Lake Michigan some years back? It was "absorbed" by a UFO? [Case described in detail in Dolan's book.]
A: It landed in the normal way.
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Well seeing as you constructed this whole conspiracy theory around Bush I'd venture to say you're the one drools about Bush.
Dank your posts have clearly shown you to be a lunatic, what more has to be said.
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Oooh more Creamy threats... I'm scared!
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Originally posted by Chortle
You know they have a little Q & A session with aliens in that article?
LOL holy crap you arent kidding, it's really there.
Amazing. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Thanks Chortle!!
Hey Dank
Lemme guess, the WTC was brought down so they could build a new alien starship reception tower in the heart of New York City to facilitate the upcoming alien invasion and colonization. Am I right???? Did I guess right???
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"We suggest that the strike on the Pentagon was designed for maximum emotional impact."
That is perhaps the best part of their consipracy theory. I guess the day's WTC strikes in the center of New York just didnt cut it for emotional impact.
I really had no clue people could be so stupid as to belive such things. Needless to say I keep being surprised and enlightened as the extent of human stupidty.
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For crying out loud Grunherz do you ever let up? You always cause a flame war, always lose your cool and are always damage your credibility by your intemperate language. You really should try and master the art of debate.
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Meanwhile Danks says:
So how about u tell me why not one part of a HUGE 757 was found at the crash site???
In fact there are plenty of photos of bits of fuselage lying around the crash site. As soon as I can find a link. I'll post it.
Many people are unfamiliar with just how delicate aircraft structures are. In high speed impacts, airliners simply disintegrate. That goes for the passengers too. It happened in the WTC and no one doubts what they saw.
On top of that the Pentagon is designed against attack. I could be corrected but I believe that the section hit had only recently finished refurbishment with further strengthening. The 757 punched a hold like a bulllet into the building.
The whole premise that the 757 and crew were 'disappeared' and then a missile or something used to attack the Pentagon despite the presence of many potential witnesses and cameras is just to ridiculous.
edit for link
(http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091107)
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Cpxx read Dank's posts.
Originally posted by Dank
lmao chairboy u make me laugh, so u think there is no possible way the gov could have landed the plane in some random hanger and killed the people in that plane right after making 1 person call his family at gunpoint?? seeing as the plane went off radar minuted before the crash??? What happened to uj is what i call media brainwash u see 2 planes hit WTC buidling...how many of you saw footage of a plane hitting the pentagon?? Not to mention countless eye witnesses that said the plane was much smaller. So how about u tell me why not one part of a HUGE 757 was found at the crash site???
IMO its easy to believe that the gov would pull somthing like this to get the public to backup a war aginst iraq, not to mention the fact that bush hates iraq and would do anything to live of to his fathers dreams of taking down iraq for good.
Originally posted by Dank
Grun have u ever thought that the WTC was a setup to make people think thats what happened to the pentagon? maybe because you to believe that it was a 757 hitting the pentagon after you saw it hit the WTC buiidings over and over. Try thinking for yourself instead of what you see on tv.
Does this dersrve rational debate?
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Why is there even speculation? How come any argument isnt immediately shot to pieces with absolutely irrefutable video evidance?
That is the thing I find strange, it's the Pentagon for Pete's sake, there HAS to have been security camera coverage of every square inch of that building, why isn't any of it publicly available?
Did the WTC's surrounding buildings have their security camera footage taken by federal agents shortly after the attacks? ( I would assume so) Is that footage available to the public?( I honestly don't know, I'm guessing yes)
I ask not out of any gory desire to see the events of Sept. 11 2001 again, but for comparison of availability compared to security cam footage of the Pentagon.
If there is a differance in that availability, why is that so?
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Why is there even speculation? How come any argument isnt immediately shot to pieces with absolutely irrefutable video evidance?
That is the thing I find strange, it's the Pentagon for Pete's sake, there HAS to have been security camera coverage of every square inch of that building, why isn't any of it publicly available?
Did the WTC's surrounding buildings have their security camera footage taken by federal agents shortly after the attacks? ( I would assume so) Is that footage available to the public?( I honestly don't know, I'm guessing yes)
I ask not out of any gory desire to see the events of Sept. 11 2001 again, but for comparison of availability compared to security cam footage of the Pentagon.
If there is a differance in that availability, why is that so?
Did you consider that so far the only place that tells you of this secret missing footage is this dumb video. A video produced by the type of people who post interviews with extraterstrial aliens on their websites regarding their participation in the Pentagon attack and flight 77s dissapearence. These people are saying that aliens took part in thje 911 attacks. Doesnt that bother you? Doesnt that make you question their credibilty.
Just think.
They are saying that it's more likely that space aliens were involved in the 911 attcaks than the likelhood that a Boeing 757 struck the pentagon on 911.
Those are the kind of people you are daling with and whoose info you are relying on.
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Check this out too. Game set and match. Theory debunked. Stop this nonsense. It took me ten minutes with a quick Google search to overturn this stupid theory. Much better than shouting the odds, eh Gruny.
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
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Originally posted by Bluedog
... for comparison of availability compared to security cam footage of the Pentagon.
If there is a differance in that availability, why is that so?
It's unavailable because the Pentagon is still standing, and all those security cameras (among other things) are still there for the same purpose: to prevent nefarious people from doing nefarious things such as gathering intel for future attacks. To publicly air footage of a successful attack might prove counterproductive despite the obvious assumption that security measures and procedures are propably a little different now than they were then.
Another theory suggests that said footage may inadvertently have shown a glimpse of Prostetnik the Volgon wearing a hardhat while overseeing the destruction of the Pentagon in order to make way for a new interstellar superhighway. It was a deal made between the right-wingers and the Volgon race which will culminate in Bush being elected President of our entire spiral arm of the Milky Way.
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Yep, the freaks behind the site linked originally are obviously nut jobs, the 4th dimension fifth stage compression Q and A with Marvin the Martian bit pretty much illustrates that point.
I'm not saying I believe it Grun, in fact I find it really hard to believe that it is a setup of some type, but there just doesnt seem to be the evidance to totally disprove it, I just find it strange is all, as if nobody is being given the whole truth, just fragments of it here and there.
Given the track record of the world's mass media where absolute truth and accuracy is concerned, and given that this particular event greatly effected world events since then, I feel it would be a little naive to just accept blindly the story shown on the nightly news with no questions asked.
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Check this out too. Game set and match. Theory debunked. Stop this nonsense.
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
These people dont care about evidence.
Do you really believe that a person who wrote the two posts I quotued above will be swayed by such evidence?
Still for us sane people this is a great website, I havent seen many of those pictures before. dwtutaffs ;)
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Yep, the freaks behind the site linked originally are obviously nut jobs, the 4th dimension fifth stage compression Q and A with Marvin the Martian bit pretty much illustrates that point.
I'm not saying I believe it Grun, in fact I find it really hard to believe that it is a setup of some type, but there just doesnt seem to be the evidance to totally disprove it, I just find it strange is all, as if nobody is being given the whole truth, just fragments of it here and there.
Given the track record of the world's mass media where absolute truth and accuracy is concerned, and given that this particular event greatly effected world events since then, I feel it would be a little naive to just accept blindly the story shown on the nightly news with no questions asked.
But I think you really have to deciode to seriously reconsider your suspicions if they are based on info (the supposed missing videos) from people who belive aliens were involved in 911...
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Originally posted by VOR
It's unavailable because the Pentagon is still standing, and all those security cameras (among other things) are still there for the same purpose: to prevent nefarious people from doing nefarious things such as gathering intel for future attacks. To publicly air footage of a successful attack might prove counterproductive despite the obvious assumption that security measures and procedures are propably a little different now than they were then.
Now that makes sense, thankyou VOR.
What about WTC footage? I take it the same would apply there.
Obviously there is a certain amount of footage that everyone saw on TV, but it seems limited to the same few peices of film we all saw the day it happened.
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I'm curious what exactly are you questioning about the wtc attacks?
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Now that makes sense, thankyou VOR.
What about WTC footage? I take it the same would apply there.
Obviously there is a certain amount of footage that everyone saw on TV, but it seems limited to the same few peices of film we all saw the day it happened.
There's not much need to protect information regarding the WTC anymore since it can't be targeted again.
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WHERE IS THE PLANE? WHERE IS THE HUGE BOEING AIRLINER? ALL I SEE IS CONFETTI!!!
The CONFETTI IS THE PLANE!
Ask anyone who worked on the Florida ValueJet Crash. Largest piece of intact human remains found on that one was a patella.
Crumpp
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But I think you really have to deciode to seriously reconsider your suspicions if they are based on info (the supposed missing videos) from people who belive aliens were involved in 911...
Not really a suspicion, more a curiosity as to why there is even any doubt at all.
Not really just based on that particular site either, over the last three years I've seen differant internet sites, and heard differant people come up with the most outrageous conspiracy theories.
Usually stuff like that happens when people don't know the half of the story, exactly what is happening here I guess, I just wondered why it was that such a lack of public knowledge, enough of a lack to lead people to come up with wild theories, existed.
VOR's post went a long way toward pointing out the obvious to me.
Sometimes by questioning something you make it's position stronger.
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I know that Crummp, was being sarcastic. :) Read the rest of the posts.
Basically he was saying that no plane hit the pentagon because there are no big peaces left. He was essientally asking WHERES THE PLANE?
So I showed him the pictures of flight 93 crash, all the was left was confetti.
Please read my post with the two quotes by "Dank" above to see what we are dealing with. :)
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Not really a suspicion, more a curiosity as to why there is even any doubt at all.
Not really just based on that particular site either, over the last three years I've seen differant internet sites, and heard differant people come up with the most outrageous conspiracy theories.
Usually stuff like that happens when people don't know the half of the story, exactly what is happening here I guess, I just wondered why it was that such a lack of public knowledge, enough of a lack to lead people to come up with wild theories, existed.
VOR's post went a long way toward pointing out the obvious to me.
Sometimes by questioning something you make it's position stronger.
There is no doubt. There is only lunatic conspiracy nonsense.
Doubt doesnt lead one to propagate the idea that space aliens were involved in 911 attack, but lunacy does.
If there was no video of the WTC hits you would see the exat same nonssense. People wouldnt belive these planes could toplle the buildings. Heck there allready exist conspiracy nuts who say that the WTC was riggesd to explode abd that the plane hits were just a cover for those explosve charges.
There are just a lot of crazy people out there. Thats all there is to it.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I'm curious what exactly are you questioning about the wtc attacks?
Merely the public availability of security cam footage.
A big part of this conspiracy theory thingy about the Pentagon is the supposed lack of publicly available security cam footage.
When I came to think about it, I realised that allthough I had seen the WTC attacks on several differant channels/ shows before, it was allways the same few pieces of film.
Then I thought maybe the same thing happened there, ie all the security footage was seized by federal agents shortly after the incident, and remain unavailable to the public to this day.
If that was the case, the lack of footage of the Pentagon attack meant diddly squat.
That was all really.
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How many security cameras are aimed at the 70-80th floor of the WTC?
The WTC's cameras were all destroyed when the buildings were hit, set on fire and collaposed.
Why would any other building point its cameras to the 70-80th floor of WTC buildings?
And about the Pentagon videos. If there was such a huge cover up and 911 plot why did they even release that supposedly inconclusive video in the first place.
The more any sane person thinks about it the more insane the conspiracy nuts are exposed to be..
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Good point.
So the Pentagon footage is kept secret because it could still be used to plan another attack.
The WTC buildings had no reason for security cameras to even be looking at the outside of the building 70 stories up.
When a 757 crashes, it's wings sheer off, and only the fuselage would continue forward, becoming smaller and smaller as bits tore off, and leaving allmost no recognisable parts due to heat and the force of impact.
All very good points, and very hard to disagree with, the theory becomes even more improbable.
What else did they reckon was suspicious? The sound. The herky bird...anything else?
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Only conspiracy about 9/11 was what time Bush was notified that the first plane had hit the WTO, why it took him so long to react And what he did or didn't do from that point on.
...-Gixer
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This thread has got to be a troll...
BTW, I'm sure Grun would bash anyone saying the Holocaust was faked as well. It isn't a "I love Bush, thing."
While we're at it for the pro-conspiracy crowd:
1) Is the Earth flat?
2) Were the moon landings faked?
3) Were the space shuttle explosions faked?
4) Is Elvis still alive?
5) How about Hitler?
6) While we're at it, how about Marilyn Monroe?
7) Anything other than a 757 hit the Pentagon?
8) The 9/11 attacks were an elaborate conspiracy to further Bush's control?
9) Are the World Trade Center buildings still standing?
10) Do you own a custom made aluminum foil suit and hat to "shield" you from gammawaves/microwaves/radiation?
Answering yes to any of the above....well....
:rolleyes: :rofl :rolleyes:
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My understanding is that the report of the first plane was not as a passenger airliner. People in the chain of comunication to the president thought it was light plane at first.
The second report was about a passenger jet. But due to the delay of the first report reaching bush the second one came only a few minutes after the first. The two hits were only IIRC 15 minuyes apart and the notification gap from hit 1 to hit 2 was even less to the president. Then bush is told of the 2nd hit and that it was thoyght to be an attack.
Then you have the 7 minute thing.
So your conspiracy period is a lot less than 15 minutes, and a time when it was thjought that a small plane accidentaly hit the wtc.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
This thread has got to be a troll...
BTW, I'm sure Grun would bash anyone saying the Holocaust was faked as well. It isn't a "I love Bush, thing."
While we're at it for the pro-conspiracy crowd:
1) Is the Earth flat?
2) Were the moon landings faked?
3) Were the space shuttle explosions faked?
4) Is Elvis still alive?
5) How about Hitler?
6) While we're at it, how about Marilyn Monroe?
7) Anything other than a 757 hit the Pentagon?
8) The 9/11 attacks were an elaborate conspiracy to further Bush's control?
9) Are the World Trade Center buildings still standing?
10) Do you own a custom made aluminum foil suit and hat to "shield" you from gammawaves/microwaves/radiation?
Answering yes to any of the above....well....
:rolleyes: :rofl :rolleyes:
I'm hoping its a troll, for humanitys sake. :)
And of course I consider thsese people to be just as sick and evil as the holocaust denyers and I would get at them with even more intensity. Though I gotta admit no holcaust denyer teory I ever heard says that space aliens were involved.
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Basically he was saying that no plane hit the pentagon because there are no big peaces left. He was essientally asking WHERES THE PLANE?
Grun,
My reply wasn't directed at you. Sorry for the Confusion.
I was directed at the TOTAL MORON who believes the "conspiracy theory" crap. People seem to forget that ALL Government employees not only come home to families THAT LIVE IN AMERICA but retire after government service and continue to LIVE IN AMERICA.
What the Hell happenend in this country?? WE have soo many ignorant people that just love to scream their opinion out with no thought behind it.
They think Hollywood actors are great foreign policy advisor's. These folks change spouse's like the rest of us change underwear!
Occam's Razor:
Are all Government employees looking to scheme and subvert the poor coffee shop crowds basic freedoms. Are they constantly looking for the next evil empire scheme??
Crumpp
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(http://www.angelfire.com/oh4/archives/pix4rants01/militarysquirrel02.jpg)
That's what did it!!! That's the weapons system that tore up the Pentagon on 9/11!
757 hah!
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NP Crumpp. :)
LOL, Saburo does it make a "Whoosh" sound?
cut.paste the link :(
http://www.angelfire.com/oh4/archives/pix4rants01/militarysquirrel02.jpg
Saburo yiu think the govt is trying to supress the image by going back in time and foundiing angelfire web host with rules that prohibit direct linking?
:rofl
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after seeing that last site with the plane wreckege, im more to the i doubt it happend.
doesnt mean it couldnt have been possible.
This wasnt a troll, it was asking people their opinions.
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Originally posted by LWACE
after seeing that last site with the plane wreckege, im more to the i doubt it happend.
doesnt mean it couldnt have been possible.
Yes it does, but I appreciate your progress. Thanks. :)
Now we have to talk about yoiur "friend" Dank, are you convinced thatr he is a lunatic yet?
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Think that might the timeline and information received of events that the Bush admin would like us to believe but there are far too many gaps. Plus Bush himself telling several different versions of events dosn't help.
Timelines like this one make for interesting reading.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
My understanding is that the report of the first plane was not as a passenger airliner. People in the chain of comunication to the president thought it was light plane at first.
The second report was about a passenger jet. But due to the delay of the first report reaching bush the second one came only a few minutes after the first. The two hits were only IIRC 15 minuyes apart and the notification gap from hit 1 to hit 2 was even less to the president. Then bush is told of the 2nd hit and that it was thoyght to be an attack.
Then you have the 7 minute thing.
So your conspiracy period is a lot less than 15 minutes, and a time when it was thjought that a small plane accidentaly hit the wtc.
Not to mention that the President, like everyone else happens to be human. An attack so terrible, understandable to have some delays in response, let alone proper ones. First response probably thinking it a bad joke, or bad communication of an event that "couldn't" possibly happen.
Not like anyone from the President on down actually trained for that exact scenario.
Welcome to the mindset of pre-9/11.
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Originally posted by Gixer
Think that might the timeline and information received of events that the Bush admin would like us to believe but there are far too many gaps. Plus Bush himself telling several different versions of events dosn't help.
Timelines like this one make for interesting reading.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html
S>...-Gixer
I'm cuirous, whats the conspiracy part of this time line? What was conspired to be done?
If you wanna say that bush's team was bad or that bush made a bad decision upon first hearing of the incident thats fine. Those are fair issues to debate. But you suggested a conspiracy, what is it? Whats the conspiracy involving those 20 minutes or whatever?
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Ah, sorry wasn't meaning to put it across as a consipircy as such, just start up a debate. Maybe a new thread is required.
...-Gixer
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Yea, we have enough conspircay stuff to debate gere allready. :)
Tell me what do you think of Dank's view of the world?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
NP Crumpp. :)
LOL, Saburo does it make a "Whoosh" sound?
cut.paste the link :(
http://www.angelfire.com/oh4/archives/pix4rants01/militarysquirrel02.jpg
Saburo yiu think the govt is trying to supress the image by going back in time and foundiing angelfire web host with rules that prohibit direct linking?
:rofl
Of course it makes a "woosh" sound! Any idiot knows that! ;)
Actually I cut and pasted it from another thread "Squirrel name" or something. Felt it was an "appropriate explaination" for this thread.
Just think of the deviously clever weapons system this is. We now know what Area 51 is really there for. Top secret killer squirrel aliens from outer space (T.S.K.S.A.F.O.S.). Just think of the ramifications of such a weapons system. They masquerade as innocent little squirrels eating the peanut handouts from grandmothers all over the US (but most likely located by sensitive US Govt buildings). When they get the secret squirrel signal (S.S.S.), they pop into the burrow to retrieve their special weapons system and of coarse their evil Nazi WWII helmet, and they spring into action! After the evil deed is done, they hide the evidence for the next big attack!
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http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/index.jsp
Another LOAD of BS.
Only thing debatable is Bush's Reaction to the News of 9/11.
If you know anything about the Daily Operations of the President and how his scheduale is managed. Bush did great.
It took FDR 24 hours to respond to Pearl Harbour.
AS for the "Authority" to shoot down civilian airliners. The power doesn't just rest with President. It rest's with the Justice Department and the Department of Defense.
They are the ones who are charged with protecting the public.
You shoot down a civilian passenger liner, you better have a good reason. You do not need an order from the President of the Uniteds States to do it.
Crumpp
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Here Grunherz, have fun:
OMFGWTF? (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/index.php)
But please take a double dose of your medication at least 30' before your click....
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yea, we have enough conspircay stuff to debate gere allready. :)
Tell me what do you think of Dank's view of the world?
Interesting, to say the least.
Simply what would the government have to gain by staging an attack on the Pentagon when they already had two destroyed towers in New York?
Secondly, not all air accidents leave vasts amounts of wreckage for air investigators to piece together. This picture show the Apartment building in Holland after being hit by a 747! Not alot of visible wreckage or more importantly outer damage other then the building itself.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/davest/w921004-1.jpg)
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Crumpp
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/index.jsp
It took FDR 24 hours to respond to Pearl Harbour.
FDR didn't have Satellite communications,cell phones,internet or more importantly CNN. If your going to use comparisions from history make them relevant.
...-Gixer
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LWACE
what's ur limit? slot limit on size or just quantity?
(http://www.seafood.co.nz/imagelibrary/diagrams/Netting.JPG)
gotta be using nets as the bait is so stupid it is rotten..
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Originally posted by deSelys
Here Grunherz, have fun:
OMFGWTF? (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/index.php)
But please take a double dose of your medication at least 30' before your click....
Look at my posts in this thread. I'm very nice and reasonable when I feel that the person I'm communicating is, oh, not insane. But if I get the impression that they are insanse then why should I bother to be nice? He will not respond to any logic, argument, or evidence.
I've responded to every post witrh the respect it deserves. :)
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This thread is a troll and nothing more than flame bait designed to antagonize people.
If you think it is fun to create shades accounts, with the idea in mind, to get people angry, you will be immediately banned.