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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on August 31, 2004, 01:15:18 PM
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source (http://http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/08/31/russia.carblast/)
MOSCOW, Russia -- At least eight people were killed and five others wounded when at least one car exploded outside a Moscow subway station, police said.
The blast occurred Tuesday at 8:10 p.m. local time (1610 GMT) outside the Rizhskaya subway station, near the city center.
The blast occurred a week after two Russian passenger planes crashed minutes apart, brought down by explosions believed brought on board by Chechen suicide bombers.
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Originally posted by rpm371
source (http://http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/08/31/russia.carblast/)
http://www.mosnews.com/images/g/rizhskaya.shtml
Damn.
My friend works on that avenue (prospect Mira, Peace avenue), but maybe 3-4km towards suburbs. I wonder how he'll get out from work by car, the traffic is blocked completely. It's one of the busyest avenues that turns into Yaroslavl' highway.
The blast happened between a huge shopping mall, an underggound station and Riga railway terminal. You can imagine how many people were there in the afternoon.
I envy Israelys. They feel OK to bulldoze a village or two as an answer to such terrorist acts.
Sometimes I think that Stalin was too kind. He could better send Chechens to some sunny beaches of Arctic ocean at Taimyr, not to Kazakhstan.
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http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/09/01/ossetiaschool.shtml
Bloody bastards.
They have made a big mistake.
Children hostages is too much. They will regret it. I hope this time their families will recieve appropriate reaction, Israely style.
Another mistake is to invade Osetia. Osetins are a Christian nation, and they hate Chechens even more then other neighbours do. I expect blood feud. And it's obvious that there will be no Chechens in Osetia in a matter of hours.
Also see this: http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/08/30/czech.shtml
I hope that this time all that European "human rights" freaks and other terrorist suporters will be sent out of the country or, if met in Chechnya - shot on sight.
Another "view" on Chechnya: http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/08/31/flawed.shtml What else could we expect from a country that gives political asylum to known terrorists and openly supports them?...
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Originally posted by Boroda
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/09/01/ossetiaschool.shtml
Bloody bastards.
They have made a big mistake.
Children hostages is too much. They will regret it. I hope this time their families will recieve appropriate reaction, Israely style.
Another mistake is to invade Osetia. Osetins are a Christian nation, and they hate Chechens even more then other neighbours do. I expect blood feud. And it's obvious that there will be no Chechens in Osetia in a matter of hours.
Also see this: http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/08/30/czech.shtml
I hope that this time all that European "human rights" freaks and other terrorist suporters will be sent out of the country or, if met in Chechnya - shot on sight.
Another "view" on Chechnya: http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/08/31/flawed.shtml What else could we expect from a country that gives political asylum to known terrorists and openly supports them?...
agreed,
Attacking children to make ANY point is not going to work.
they are bastards.
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Dear Boroda and Krusher,
is it clear that those terrorist are committing an infamous action. Children are the future of the human race. But children of any country of the world. Every human being has the right to live in peace and enjoy living with family and children. I strongly believe that.
This is a point. They are criminals. Nobobody and nothing can justify their actions.
Another point is the criminal beaviour of the russian gouvernment in Cecenia.
I dunno what newspapers are telling you, but is it clear that russian army is committing criminal acts in cecenia.
Terror and terrorism aren't just fron ONE side.
This is a childish vision of the life and world. The one that establishment want that people believe in.
Sharon gouvernment is responsable of criminal acts too.
Blood ask for more blood. Fear for more fear. hate for more hate.
This is not the right way, I firmly belive.
Every men on this planet has the SAME right to live in peace.
All of us.
Children of russian, israeli, palestinian, cecenian mothers.
If we miss this, more, if we all don't fight for thir right for every man on this planet, terror will never never end.
Best regard,
and sorry for my english,
LUPO
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probly need more concealed carry in your country.
lazs
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Originally posted by LUPO
Another point is the criminal beaviour of the russian gouvernment in Cecenia.
I dunno what newspapers are telling you, but is it clear that russian army is committing criminal acts in cecenia.
Terror and terrorism aren't just fron ONE side.
My dear European friend. Russians were not the side that started this bloody war that goes on for 10 years now.
Since 1991 Chechen gangster "republic" started genocide against non-Chechen population. Over 500,000 refugees fleed Chechnya, after being threatened, robbed, raped and having their relatives killed.
An attempt to restore order in 1994-96 resulted in Hasavyurt agreements, Russian army withdrew from Chechnya and they were left alone. In 1999 they attacked neighbouring regions in Dagestan, and, after they were kicked out of there by Dagestan militants together with Russian army - they started terrorist bombings in Russian cities. So now they rip what they sow.
I have already posted this in another thread:
Their cultural tradition doesn't include such concept as "work". Robbery, murder and racket are the only "honorable" occupations for their male species. (sorry, I just can't call them "men").
They fight for "independance" that means the right to stay in a prehistoric tribal gangster society, for freedom to rob and murder for fun.
Originally posted by LUPO
This is a childish vision of the life and world.
What European press and different "human rights" organisations show you is just 1% of truth.
"Human rights violations" are simply a normal police work. For example: when a known terrorist is arrested in his house full of illegal weapons - Euro human rights freaks start to howl about "kidnapping" and "civil rights". There is no such thing as human rights for terrorists. To have human rights one has to be a human first.
Europeans will never think of Russians as of people at the same level with them. We are traditionaly seen as strange barbarians with alien religion. It's time to stop pretending to behave as "civilized" people and answer Chechen savages in only language they understand.
Now the bastards have made wto deadly mistakes. Osetins will not tolerate such things. Osetian local law-enforcement already stated that the attack was successfull only because of the assistance from local Chechen diaspora. I bet there will be no Chechens alive in Osetia before the sun goes down.
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boroda dont listen to him or anyone like him. they live in lala land and think that "if we are only nice everything will always be okay". best of luck to your shooters when the time comes. you guys have some good ones theyll do their best and thats all you can ask.
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I am very quickly gravitating to Boroda's opinion on these scum bags. I had watched a show about the Chechens that was very favourable to them and very anti-Russiana couple of years ago.
Frankly any empathy I felt for them iat that time is now gone.
I truely hope this situation ends soon and peacefully, but I doubt it. I feel so sorry for the parents of those kids.
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Taking and threatening children sabotages any cause, just or otherwise. The people that do this should be killed.
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No. You wrote:
Europeans will never think of Russians as of people at the same level with them. We are traditionaly seen as strange barbarians with alien religion.
Europeans does not exist. As Russians. Only People exist. Single human beings. Thay can behave like beasts, sometimes. Or they can behave like humans. Humans does not kill other people. This is a simple difference.
Unfortunatly this happens.
Here in Italy happens often. The same as in every country of the world. What I think is wrong is generalize. Who started is not that important. What is important is that people stop to suffer.
Russian and cecenian. This is my hope.
Anyway.
I was many times in russia. St. Petersburg. I worked there.
I have russian friends. They are great people and I love them.
My anonimous friend,
I live in lala land. I live in a country full of problems called Italy. You'll be my guest if you came in this region called europe were people like you and boroda live.
There are those who tell us that humanity is condemned to war and violence, that it is ingrained in our nature to hate and kill each other. Such people will tell you that they are simply being “realistic." I sincerely hope that you will never submit to such “realism" not about your own lives, not about the world. If you examine such claims carefully, you will usually find that those who make them have simply decided--in an arbitrary and often self-serving way--what is realistic and what is not. They cut off and deny the limitless possibilities of reality to make it fit with their own pessimism and narrow-mindedness.
President Kennedy clearly rejected pessimism about peace when he said, “We need not accept that view. Our problems are manmade. Therefore, they can be solved by man... No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings."
The limitless power of the individual is unleashed when we work together. This is the power of connection, the power of human solidarity. Our dreams grow and flourish when we speak them out loud, when we share them with others. To do this requires courage. We must overcome the fear that we will be misunderstood, looked down on or laughed at for putting into words the content of our hearts.
Be brave, anonymous friend. Talk with your lala friends.
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Originally posted by Boroda
My dear European friend. Russians were not the side that started this bloody war that goes on for 10 years now.
Isn't this war the continuation of what Tolstoi described ?
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Taking and threatening children sabotages any cause, just or otherwise. The people that do this should be killed.
I'm absolutely agree with the first sentence.
The second sentence is homicide.
But, please, don't think I'm justifing in any way those horrible act of terrorism. I' dont.
Who can say: this people should be killed? Who can decide? Law? Justice? My law, your law, their law? Other people? Who?
A human being, a real human being does not kill other people. For any reason. This is true for everybody.
Stop violence. Don't answer to violence with other violence.
That's my point. Simply it does not work!
I pray for those poor children and their families.
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Originally posted by lazs2
probly need more concealed carry in your country.
lazs
several houndreds kids in danger and all you think of is guns ?
youre a sick man.
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hope to see a few russian army divisions deployed to iraq and afghanistan soon to help out in the elimination of these scumbags.
Wouldn't it be great if the russians captured OBL?
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Originally posted by LUPO
I'm absolutely agree with the first sentence.
The second sentence is homicide.
But, please, don't think I'm justifing in any way those horrible act of terrorism. I' dont.
Who can say: this people should be killed? Who can decide? Law? Justice? My law, your law, their law? Other people? Who?
A human being, a real human being does not kill other people. For any reason. This is true for everybody.
Stop violence. Don't answer to violence with other violence.
That's my point. Simply it does not work!
I pray for those poor children and their families.
Your idealism is comendable. Unfortunately it isn't shared by everyone. People that murder children forfeit their right to live imo. As to who should kill them? Anyone that can.
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Shelling major cities containing refugees in an internal police action or taking children as hostages. Both pretty immoral if you ask me.
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Dont let the girly men bother you, Boroda.
Load up the howitzers and burn out the barrels.
Taking children is totally unacceptable.
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Atrocity generally perpetuates atrocity. One heinous act does not justify another.
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Girly-man. Aint a problem out there that violence cant solve.
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If I had to guess your age, I'd say 13.
If I had to guess your IQ, I'd be alot more conservative.
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Originally posted by Dowding
If I had to guess your age, I'd say 13.
If I had to guess your IQ, I'd be alot more conservative.
College.
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Originally posted by Dowding
If I had to guess your age, I'd say 13.
If I had to guess your IQ, I'd be alot more conservative.
LOL! Good to have you back, Dowding. Your sense of humor is as British as ever. ;)
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In general "The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it."
However the "Taking children is totally unacceptable" is 100% deadon and these terrorists need to fry.
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Good to be back. Finally connected to internet at my new place - will be in the air in AH2 one day soon! ;)
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Originally posted by Dowding
Shelling major cities containing refugees in an internal police action or taking children as hostages. Both pretty immoral if you ask me.
Who shelled major city containing refugees? Did I miss something?
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Originally posted by LUPO
Every men on this planet has the SAME right to live in peace.
All of us.
Children of russian, israeli, palestinian, cecenian mothers.
Kum Buy Yah....keep dreaming, whirrled peas might happen one day. Until then I am with boroda, the world would be a nicer place minus a billion muslims, give or take a few.
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Originally posted by OIO
Wouldn't it be great if the russians captured OBL?
Officially we still have death penalty, but there is a moratorium, only as a sign of good will towards Europeans.
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Kum Buy Yah....keep dreaming, whirrled peas might happen one day. Until then I am with boroda, the world would be a nicer place minus a billion muslims, give or take a few.
I am not against Moslims. JFYI: Chechens are hated by almost all other Moslim nations in Caucasus. Dagestan militants fought them maybe even better then Russian army in 1999.
Moslim nations such as Tatars are the main foundations of Russian state.
Russian Empire have always been tolerant to religions other then official Orthodox. There were even special medals issued for Moslim warriors, for example St.George's Cross for Moslims had Arabic letters instead of St. George on a horse, because picturing people and animals is against Koran.
150 years ago Chechens were pagans. Prehistoric tribal society that parasited on caravan ways and neighbouring lands.
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The Russians battered Grozny with artillery a few years ago. There were plenty of civilians there.
Until then I am with boroda, the world would be a nicer place minus a billion muslims, give or take a few.
The views of a confirmed Nazi. Your relatives that saw service in WW2 would be so proud.
You've probably seen Band of Brothers. You probably get all teary eyed and emotional about the sentiment contained therein and feel all patriotic about the people featured on the screen. I suggest you watch the episode 'Why We Fight'. I think doing that might prove useful.
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Originally posted by straffo
Isn't this war the continuation of what Tolstoi described ?
Well, the Chechen problem was solved in mid-XIX century, after Imam Shamil' was captured. The war started because Georgia joined Russian Empire and Chechens (and some other nations, but not so outrageously) started to rob caravans on the roads across Caucasus to Georgia. Before that the border was secured by Cossacks, who still live there and still fight this "rebels".
During WWII Chechens openly supported Hitler, and turned back to their favourite occupations: robbery and murders. On Feb., 23, 1944, all Chechens were sent to Kazakhstan. Kaakhs were not very happy about it. In 1958 they started to return, and attempted to start again, but after several murders people came out to the streets and stormed local Party headquaters, so Chechens were forced to order again.
And then came 1991, when they started to do what they want again, that resulted in half-million refugees and unknown number of people killed, kidnapped, held for ransom or turned into slaves.
Did you know that slavery is quite common in Chechnya? Almost every week federal forces release people who were kidnapped (some as long ago as mid-80s) and held in the holes turned into slaves in prehistoric meaning of this word...
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Sad news :(
dont forgett one, who creates such Terrorists?
I came to the conclusion, where politics fail, terrorists grow.
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Originally posted by Dowding
The Russians battered Grozny with artillery a few years ago. There were plenty of civilians there.
Dowding, a "civilian" with an automat and RPG is called an armed terrorist.
Russian army gave several weeks for unarmed people to leave the city. Grozniy was turned into a highly-fortified position. If you know other ways to capture such fortresses then artillery preparation and aerial bombings - please enlighten me.
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Who says only Nazis are allowed to commit genocide? Communists had their fair share too.
Plus Life is not a right, it is a priviledge. You must earn it and bad actions will take it away. Painfully if need be.
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It's one thing to attack adults, and the military with suicide bombs, and invade theaters packed with adults.
But it's one whole entire differnt thing to take children hostage.
I pray for the children in Russian who have been taken hostage, and I pray the Russia does what is best.
Negotiate to get the children out, get them out, then attack the militia men as they leave, and slaughter them.
I'm pissed, the Chechian terroists (sp?) have gone too far.
And what does Bush do in response to this? Tightens security on flights from Russia. He won't intervene till the US Embassy is attacked in Russia. And maybe not even then...
:mad: :mad:
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I agree with you completly. But does Russia want our help ? I imagine we would be more then willing if they asked for it. But I imagine old feelings still exist and neither nation wishes to show they need help until its too late.
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Come on..Russia would not allow us to help unless we were asked by them. They have always took care of this internally. They feel it's their problem. You can't fault Bush for that.
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Umm, we do have a war against terrosim and this is that...
But, Russia and the US are two stuborn nations...
Least we could do is send food and water over...
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Why does Bush need to "intervene"?
He just needs to let Russia get on with it and stop making diplomatic denounciations of Russian efforts to do so as previous administrations have done.
The Russians have been saying for years that these guys need to be wiped out. They finally have world (US) opinion on their side and will probably do precisely that. They will certainly try.
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Atleast come out and say that you support Russias Efforts and are willing to assist of they so require it..
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Russia isn't someplace that can't handle this on their own...Remember they were and in some ways still are the only power that could match us.
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Id like to think the Russian and U.S. tensions will soon be over. Imagine the impact Russia would have on the war on terrorism. Russia, the U.S., and England all sided to put a stop to all these senseless killings.
I was wondering if Russia has taken part in any recent conflicts allied with major U.N. nations ?
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Inappropriate
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I posted this in the other thread that Skuzzy himself helped Hijack.
This is BAD. If this works well we can expect it in the states as well. Think how much of a soft target a school is yet how effective it would be.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I posted this in the other thread that Skuzzy himself helped Hijack.
This is BAD. If this works well we can expect it in the states as well. Think how much of a soft target a school is yet how effective it would be.
You're right..anyone can walk on a campus and walk right into any building.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I posted this in the other thread that Skuzzy himself helped Hijack.
We should get some sort of award for that. ;)
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Originally posted by Coolridr
You're right..anyone can walk on a campus and walk right into any building.
you might be trying to be saracstic. if so have a nice cup of STFU. It is easier than you think. Security guards don't even have guns at School. School is one of the most vunerable places. But yet can do damage beyond belief. If a 100lbs bomb blew up in the B building of my school 500 people would be dead.
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Originally posted by Sandman
We should get some sort of award for that. ;)
I'd agree with you if it wasnt a thread about terrorists taking kids hostage.
Is there a BBS word for dooping the administrator into an unseen hijack?
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AHHHHHH Sandman you are BAD....YOU DID IT AGAIN!
If I wasnt close to heat exaustion today I'd be really mad ;)
To stay on topic....
A group of armed men could easily take and control most schools. Yes their are guards but they are not armed. If they are there is alot of colateral walking around to convince them to lay their guns down.
I serioiulsy hope US school administraters wise up that this is a viable threat.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Is there a BBS word for dooping the administrator into an unseen hijack?
Brilliant?
:D
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
you might be trying to be saracstic. if so have a nice cup of STFU. It is easier than you think. Security guards don't even have guns at School. School is one of the most vunerable places. But yet can do damage beyond belief. If a 100lbs bomb blew up in the B building of my school 500 people would be dead.
You STFU...I was being serious...It's a serious problem..with no real way to solve it..
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The US isn't (or at least shouldn't be) the rest of the world's nanny, and Russia is more than capable of taking care of their own domestic affairs. I wish them luck, I can't see this ending any way but badly.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
you might be trying to be saracstic. if so have a nice cup of STFU. It is easier than you think. Security guards don't even have guns at School. School is one of the most vunerable places.
Depends where you go to school, I grew up in a small redneck town and now my old HS has a armed State Trooper that is at the school every day. I went to school in upstate NY and we had an active police force right on the campus, infact the campus was like thier own town and jurisdiciton. I do agree that schools are vulnerable, even with the Police force someone would have had no problem causing a terrorist act.
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Vunerable? more than that. you can check in saying your playing tennis up at the courts and have unlimited access to the buildings WITH A BAG. Scary isn't it?
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I grew up in Redneck central, and gun control wasn't very strict. In fact, my bus driver from middle school carried a 12 guage beside him in the seat. If he saw a deer beside the road, he'd stop, get out, and shoot it.
Now, you can be sent to prison for that. And I do agree that schools are very vulnerable to attacks.
My high school had around 1100 kids and had only 2 armed officers in the building. I could have easily brought a gun or bomb into the building and never been noticed.
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All the more reason we should allow students to have conceal carry permits in this country, after all the more guns the lower the crime rate right? I'm awaiting the next wave of paranoia-induced NRA mailings begging me to join and contribute my money so that we can arm our students against terrorists.
As for those children in Russia, I pray they will somehow make it through safely and that the "world community" will once and for all deal with this so-called religion of peace.
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2 luck bastid. we have only 1 for almost 3000 kids this year.
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Originally posted by United
I grew up in Redneck central, and gun control wasn't very strict. In fact, my bus driver from middle school carried a 12 guage beside him in the seat. If he saw a deer beside the road, he'd stop, get out, and shoot it.
Now, you can be sent to prison for that. And I do agree that schools are very vulnerable to attacks.
My high school had around 1100 kids and had only 2 armed officers in the building. I could have easily brought a gun or bomb into the building and never been noticed.
It's been awhile, but don't they have dogs to sniff out that kind of stuff?
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Watching that video, there was alot of shooting going on...
I hope it was just intimidating factor and noone got shot..
And if anyone did get shot, it was adults... Not to be mean...
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We need to drop a bomb on that russian school. The bomb fragments would only hit the terrorists because they are bigger than the school kids.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
We need to drop a bomb on that russian school. The bomb fragments would only hit the terrorists because they are bigger than the school kids.
(http://www.alaskaseafood.org/flavor/aksalm5.jpg)
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Originally posted by Estes
It's been awhile, but don't they have dogs to sniff out that kind of stuff?
We had drug dogs, but they came maybe once every semester.
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I'm in no way trying to be a wiseguy,but if someone walked into a Columbus inner city school with that intent,they'd run the risk of being shot by a student.
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Originally posted by Sox62
I'm in no way trying to be a wiseguy,but if someone walked into a Columbus inner city school with that intent,they'd run the risk of being shot by a student.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Guess it's sad really but my first action was to laugh
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The tactics are evolving. The criminals have found a way to counter the fentanyl.
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Hawklore...come out and say I support russia.
Its a deal ,I will say I support russia if you come out and say you support America in iraq.
After all one of the reasons we are fighting in iraq is so we are fighting over there and not here.
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Yes, it would be very easy for someone to over run a school. Our local high school does have a plan for such a case. They won't tell the kids exactly what happens. But all I know is the school, will say code red and the school goes into lock down. When I was there in school. We used to practice like a fire drill. They would say cod red everyone stops what there doing and all the class room doors are locked, and if your in the hall way you get jerked into the nearest class room. We had it happend once for a real case when I was in the 11th graded when someone came into the school carrying a 9mm and refused to leave. I remember hearing all the doors slam shut and the 2 officers running down the hall way. There is a silent alarm in each class room just incase the attackers was in a certain class room they could let the police/main office know where the attacker is. A lot more to it to that. But for sercurity reason only the faculity knows. This plan has been in act since 1973 at the old high school. But only recently told the students so they know what code red means.
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I am currently in highschool. My class alone has around 600 students. The entire school consists of about 3,000 students. We have NO armed security gaurds. We do go into lock down once every semester and police bring in drug dogs to search our lockers. We did have a lock down a few years back caused by a bomb threat called in. We all were immediatly sent home. Then for a few days afterword we had a large amount of police that walked the halls. We also have a elementary school next to ours, I do believe that they have atleast 2 armed personel. Our little suburban school aint to safe either.
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Actually Gscholz I imagine if Putin and the Russians wanted to they could follow the example Bush and Blair set by now invading Iran as thier part of fighting "the war on terror."
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gee airguard... seems everyone here is talking about guns as a solution to the problem... difference is... I am talking about preventing the problem while they are talking about dealing with it after it happens. either way... sick as I may be... guns are the solution when bad people become agressive. Why didn't they just take 100 armed soldiers captive instead of children?
lazs
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Originally posted by GScholz
Before you all get too excited about Russia joining your "cause", just remember that Russia has been fighting Islamic terrorists for a long time and still they voted with France and Germany against the invasion of Iraq. The leadership in Russia is the same.
They have been fighting muslim militants for quite some time alright. How long exactly? Late '40s, I'd guess.
We were involved with fighting militant muslims back then too, mostly in the Phillipines. Of course Spain has a long history of that battle as well, except they called them "moors" back then.
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Originally posted by LUPO
I'm not dreaming, Edbert. It's a nightmare.
But I want to look at it with my eyes wide open...
Children (http://aztlan.net/iraqichildrenhorror.htm)
I really dislike and disagree with the anti-jewish text. That's a sad confirmation that hate create hate... But the Children (http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/iraq/genocide.htm)?
Is it our planet a safer place? Mmmmm...
Just hate and fear can create criminal statements like this:
or this:
No comment.
If you want to learn when a man is a man, read this (http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=6495)
Just took a look at the link you have in your post that leads to pictures of dead/injured children. Do you think we did that on purpose? Unlike the terrorists in the world, we do not purposely kill children and other innocents. Maybe a few of our bombs go astray, nothing works perfectly 100% of the time. Our enemies purposely hide in the midst of innocents, but the job has to be done. Sometimes unintentional things happen. In case you forgot, This is a war. How many countries are out there that actually try to avoid accidents like that? VERY FEW. How many in the past ever cared? Almost None.
Look what the terrorists are doing in Russia now. Hiding behind children, Threatening to kill 50 per one of their terrorists killed. With people like that out there you dare post a link to the ACCIDENTS we caused?
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Originally posted by LUPO
I'm not dreaming, Edbert. It's a nightmare.
But I want to look at it with my eyes wide open...
Children (http://aztlan.net/iraqichildrenhorror.htm)
I really dislike and disagree with the anti-jewish text. That's a sad confirmation that hate create hate... But the Children (http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/iraq/genocide.htm)?
Is it our planet a safer place? Mmmmm...
Just hate and fear can create criminal statements like this:
or this:
No comment.
If you want to learn when a man is a man, read this (http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=6495)
Psychologist.
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Originally posted by LUPO
Just hate and fear can create criminal statements like this:
quote:Plus Life is not a right, it is a priviledge. You must earn it and bad actions will take it away. Painfully if need be.
Criminal statements? Please explain how word equal crime. Take off your blinders and open your eyes. That statement is not a crime it is a fact of life that only someone living in their own little dream world would deny.
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Originally posted by OneWordAnswer
Psychologist.
Do hyphenated words count as one?
If so I'd say
"head-up-the-arse-reading-too-much-leftist-propoganda-webistes-wanna-feel-good-and-ignore-reality-nincompoop!"
I mean REALLY! I looked at the websites he posted. Many of those pictures of suffereing children are from BEFORE operation "Iraqi Freedom". The websites seeks to blame Israel for the targeting of Iraqi civilians by US Warplanes. The other blames the UN sanctions for causing birth defects. Sheesh! Post diatribe like that and expect to be taken seriously? C'mon, get a grip on reality!
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Originally posted by Curval
Why does Bush need to "intervene"?
He just needs to let Russia get on with it and stop making diplomatic denounciations of Russian efforts to do so as previous administrations have done.
The Russians have been saying for years that these guys need to be wiped out. They finally have world (US) opinion on their side and will probably do precisely that. They will certainly try. ]
Exactly what I think.
Instead US government makes silly statements about elections in Chechnya being "not democratic enough" :(
Isn't it time to finaly make things clear, stop supporting crazy Georgian regime and give out known terrorists that got "political asylum" in the US?...
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
They have been fighting muslim militants for quite some time alright. How long exactly? Late '40s, I'd guess.
Nope. Early 20s. Of the XIX century.
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Originally posted by Westy
Actually Gscholz I imagine if Putin and the Russians wanted to they could follow the example Bush and Blair set by now invading Iran as thier part of fighting "the war on terror."
I hope it's a joke... :rolleyes:
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Sort of. It was sarcasm aimed at those who continue to post how the US invaded Iraq as a response to 9/11 and that it was justified as part of "the war on terror."
I'm sure Putin can find some "proof" of Iran-Chechen alliance by reporting that a Chechen or two had an overnight stay in Iran or that they'd met an Iranian official of some sort in another part of the globe. Add in Iran that Iran is radical, un-democratic and is supposdely rushing to build a bomb. Wullah. You got human rights violations, "not a bunch of nice guys" syndrome and of course the ultimate trump card they have or wil have WMD's! Putin has an air tight case!
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Originally posted by Boroda
I hope it's a joke... :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure it was, but just think about it. Russia would finally have the warm water port it needs :D
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Originally posted by Coolridr
Look what the terrorists are doing in Russia now. Hiding behind children, Threatening to kill 50 per one of their terrorists killed.
I want to remind you guys that it's not the first time. In 1995 Shamil Basayev's terrorist gang took a maternity hospital in Budennovsk, and held 1500 hostages, moslty pregnant women and mothers with new-born children.
That creatures don't deserve a right to live.
The only successfull tactics against Chechens since XIX century were fast massive army raids with one purpose: complete destruction of settlements where population contains militants/terrorists/gangsters, followed by negotiations. The only language they understand is brutal force. If they have a slightest reason to think that you are weak - they will only behave worse.
The names of terrorists are known. Warn the population of their home villages, give them 24 hours - and then burn the snake's nest with napalm. Any family guilty in posession of illegal weapons immediately goes under court martial and sent to sunny beaches of Taimyr. No mercy for the bastards. Yes, we are asians on our shaggy mounts and "barbarians who came to Chechnya from the East" (c) Grunherz. Only negotiate to make terrorists know that for every Osetin kid 10 of their relatives will be killed with bayonets. Families of suicide bombers all go to Taimyr, regardless to sex and age. Give them an autonomy there, surround it with barbed wire and watch how they will learn to hunt walruses and lemmings.
After two or three villages get burned to ashes and some "freedom fighters" families start to enjoy Polar night - the rest will give out the "rebels" packed with rope and beg on their knees to forgive them.
Otherwise they will keep on killing us.
Any life is sacred, but I prefer some highlander "freedom fighter" being killed instead of me and my relatives or friends.
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I'm with you Boroda on this one
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Originally posted by Coolridr
I'm with you Boroda on this one
I'm a little worried too, for I am finding myself agreeing with him as well.
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WHats wrong with agreeing with him? This isn't a thread about the communist he loves so much..Just a country with a problem with the same kinda people we have a problem with..except for them it's gone on for much longer.
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Hey Boroda, i doubt your idea will work, it will just produce more terrorists.
Seen on TV today?, most of the terrorists are widows who lost their children and husband in the Chechnya war.
They lost everything and ready to for suicide.
I doubt you can fight this the usual way :(
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
Hey Boroda, i doubt your idea will work, it will just produce more terrorists.
Seen on TV today?, most of the terrorists are widows who lost their children and husband in the Chechnya war.
They lost everything and ready to for suicide.
I doubt you can fight this the usual way :(
Other than that first statement you've got it about right. You cannot fight this war the way we have fought others, period. When you are fighting against and enemy with nothing to lose you have to expect them to fight differently. The best way I can think of engaging such an enemy is to put yourself forward, into an areas of your choosing and let them suicide themselves against your armor and generally superior firepower until they run out. I know what you mean when you say we are creating more terrorists through creating orphans, but they WILL run out sooner or later. Its just a metter of time, kill off the radicals at a prodigous rate and you'll be amazed how many moderates start showing up.
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Originally posted by GScholz
It's called freedom. Terrorism is a minor risk to your life ... minute in fact. You should be more worried about lightning strikes and meteors. And for God's sake never drive a car ... stay away from the roads altogether.
Terrorism is a minor risk; live with it. If you don't, the terrorists have truly won.
Bingo. :aok
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Originally posted by GScholz
It's called freedom. Terrorism is a minor risk to your life ... minute in fact. You should be more worried about lightning strikes and meteors. And for God's sake never drive a car ... stay away from the roads altogether.
Terrorism is a minor risk; live with it. If you don't, the terrorists have truly won.
Live with terrorism? How about we fight it and kill all the terrorists if necessary. That's something I can live with.
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Yes, we must learn to live with them. Hopefully they will learn to let us live... Right?
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Originally posted by GScholz
Hopefully most of them, but there will always be nutcases out there and even a police state cannot protect you from all of them. Live your life, don't worry about terrorism ... that's what they want, and the media is helping them a lot. Anyways, it's a minor risk not worth worrying about.
So most of the terrorists will stop? Just not the nutcases? What's that mean?
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Originally posted by GScholz
Hopefully Grun, most of them will stop when they realize we will not be intimidated by their actions.
You mean like the USA didnt pay much attention to terror in the late 1990s economic boom? Nobody I know was worried about Osama Bin Laden when many of us were easily earning hundreds of dollars a day on the stock market...
Yet we know what happend, and we know what he was planning just at that time we werent "intimidated"...
Tell me, by your idea of just "learn to live with them" and show them we are not "intimidated" were we wrong to respond to 911 in the way we did by invading afghanistan, improving our intelligence info sharing and upping airline security?
Should we have just shrugged of 911, done nothing, changed nothing and simply moved on?
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Originally posted by GScholz
Terrorism only works if you let it work.
Palestinians doesn't seem to agree with that
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Originally posted by GScholz
Afghanistan was different. They openly supported the terrorists; basically that was an act of war.
Terrorism only works if you let it work. 9/11 was a great success for the terrorists.
Oh I see. So we should have attacked the Taliban Govenernment because they were supporting terror but left the Al Qaeda alone because they were the actual terrorists..
And as for anything else we should have done nothing. No security changes, no new intelligence efforts, nothing. Because doing that means theterrorits win..
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Originally posted by GScholz
and to provoke a response.
Well I'm not sure if I am misunderstaiong you..
How can we get the terrorists without responding... How do we catch them without acting? Without investigating.How do we stop upcoming attacks without spying and interrogating?
Or are you aginst acting to stop upcoming attcaks?
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I think your whole theory is nonsense.
We ignored them plenty in the 1990s and look where that got us..
Whats your answer to that simple fact..
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Originally posted by GScholz
Hopefully most of them, but there will always be nutcases out there and even a police state cannot protect you from all of them. Live your life, don't worry about terrorism ... that's what they want, and the media is helping them a lot. Anyways, it's a minor risk not worth worrying about.
I don't want my government to protect me from terroristas, I want my government to hunt them down like rabid dogs and kill them in any way they deem appropriate.
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Now that we got the emotions out of the way GS, please lets get back to the topic. :).
We ignored them plenty in the 1990s and look where that got us..
Whats your answer to that simple fact?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
We ignored them plenty in the 1990s and look where that got us..
Whats your answer to that simple fact?
How about it's not a fact. It's your opinion.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Now that we got the emotions out of the way GS, please lets get back to the topic. :).
We ignored them plenty in the 1990s and look where that got us..
Whats your answer to that simple fact?
you didn't ignored them strong enought ?
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Originally posted by Sandman
How about it's not a fact. It's your opinion.
Oh really. So according to GS theory and your little assesment just now it was Clinton's cruise missle lobs at Bin Laden that actually caused 911 because they saw we wouldnt ignore terrorism.. OK..
Still, I dont remember anyone baing "intimidated" by terror in the late 1990's we were all enjoying the bubble economy. So my critique of GS thory holds..
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Originally posted by straffo
you didn't ignored them strong enought ?
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No, not like France. ;) Looks like your good relations with them is gonna save those two journalists... At least thats good.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Oh really. So according to GS theory and your little assesment just now it was Clinton's cruise missle lobs at Bin Laden that actually caused 911 because they saw we wouldnt ignore terrorism.. OK..
Still, I dont remember anyone baing "intimidated" by terror in the late 1990's we were all enjoying the bubble economy. So my critique of GS thory holds..
It really is entertaining to watch you argue both sides. Please continue.
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Originally posted by Sandman
It really is entertaining to watch you argue both sides. Please continue.
And its really interesting that you see a few random crusise missles to be a serious campaign to get bin laden..
Or lets just be honest were you intimidated by terror in the late 1990s?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Or lets just be honest were you intimidated by terror in the late 1990s?
I work in the defense industry. Terror has never stopped being a concern.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I work in the defense industry. Terror has never stopped being a concern.
Live your life, hope they will not attack and whatever you do, dont cower behind active defense!! ;)
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Originally posted by GScholz
Well, the 1990s were pretty quiet terrorism wise. A few incidents, but nothing major. Went pretty well if you ask me.
^^Uninformed.
Trends in Terrorism in the 1990's
In order to evaluate the threats posed by terrorism at the beginning of the 21st century it is necessary to sum up and analyze the main trends of the terrorism of the 1990s
Statistically, while the number of international terrorist attacks has decreased, the lethality of the attacks has increased dramatically. The suicide and car-bomb attacks are one of the main methods used to achieve this goal. The truck-bombs used in Nairobi and Dar-es-Salam against the American embassies are only the latest example. The radical Islamic groups have become during the 1990s the main perpetrators of international terrorism.
Terrorism as a tool in political or ethnic conflicts has spread to new areas, mainly to Russia and the ex-Soviet republics and the volume of internal terrorism has sharply increased in many Arab and Muslim countries (Algeria, Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.)
The first real non-conventional terrorist event, the sarin gas used by the Aum Shinrikyo cult in March 1995 for the attack in the Tokyo subway, has broken the taboo in the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD), and this is a very significant event and precedent in the history of modern terrorism.
The United States has been for the first time the theater of major terrorist attacks - The World Trade Center in New York and Oklahoma City bombings - and also the country where a major right-wing terrorist attack took place - in Oklahoma. In Europe there were only many minor incidents involving right-wing extremists.
The number of states sponsoring or supporting terrorism has indeed diminished, mainly as a result of the crumbling of the Communist Block and the firm stand of the American administration towards rogue states. However, Iran, Syria and lately Afghanistan continue to present a threat to their regional neighbors and the international community.
The radical left-wing terrorism of the 1970s and 1980s in South America and Europe has almost completely disappeared or has been eradicated.
http://www.simplytaty.com/broadenpages/terrorism.htm
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
And its really interesting that you see a few random crusise missles to be a serious campaign to get bin laden..
And when exactly did I state this?
Like I said... think I'll just sit back and read my arguments. Please, keep 'em coming.
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Looks like Sandygrun is really giving to Grunsandy. Exciting so far!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Looks like Sandygrun is really giving to Grunsandy. Exciting so far!
watch out, sandy said a similar thing and got sucked into the argument...that being said, toss me a err "soda";)
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Spank him until his butt starts to glow his true colours!
(that would be red,white and black)
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/03/russia.school/index.html
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Circumventing the language filter
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Now that we got the emotions out of the way GS, please lets get back to the topic. :).
We ignored them plenty in the 1990s and look where that got us..
Whats your answer to that simple fact?
We blew up an aspirin factory, thats gotta count for SOMETHING!