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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: demaw1 on September 01, 2004, 12:16:30 AM
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Micheal moore said there were 4 evils in the world.
1. Haliburton
2. oil companys
3 America
4 Israel.
Micheal moore was givin a place of honor next to carter at the dems convention.'
And yet so many jewish people are voting for kerry. Why?
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Maybe some jews remembers what nazis were like and aren't trying to become alike.
Israelis have learned pretty much things from the nazis... they began tattooing their prisoners, but "surprisingly" quickly changed their mind.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Maybe some jews remembers what nazis were like and aren't trying to become alike.
Israelis have learned pretty much things from the nazis... they began tattooing their prisoners, but "surprisingly" quickly changed their mind.
its funny those wacky extreme measures one goes to protect oneself when people are blowing themsleves up in shopping malls and coffee shops.
Genesis 12
1 Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you, and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who curses you I will curse; and by you all the families of the earth shall bless themselves."
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Originally posted by Fishu
BOOOSH IS HITLER!!!!
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Originally posted by demaw1
Micheal moore said there were 4 evils in the world.
1. Haliburton
2. oil companys
3 America
4 Israel.
Micheal moore was givin a place of honor next to carter at the dems convention.'
And yet so many jewish people are voting for kerry. Why?
But its no surprise. Moore is squarely aligned bimslf with the racist, pro terrorist islamic extrimst USA hating communist crowd..
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Source?
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Originally posted by demaw1
And yet so many jewish people are voting for kerry. Why?
his grandparents was jewsh immigrants from europe , so he is part blood too
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Off topic
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Originally posted by demaw1
Micheal moore said there were 4 evils in the world.
1. Haliburton
2. oil companys
3 America
4 Israel.
Micheal moore was givin a place of honor next to carter at the dems convention.'
And yet so many jewish people are voting for kerry. Why?
Who is Michael Moore, why do I care what he thinks?
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wooot?!
i gotta shape up, only 4th?!
im going to TP his house that will bump us up to atleast top3
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Originally posted by Flyboy
wooot?!
i gotta shape up, only 4th?!
im going to TP his house that will bump us up to atleast top3
You Jews are slipping... Last time people like Moore ran the list you were clearly the #1 threat to humanity..
Shape up slackers!
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F michael Moore-on and anyone who half believes his crap
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Originally posted by Sandman
Source?
Yea.. that would be nice.
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Source...How about his own books. This article quotes from "Dude, Where's my country" on Israel and America.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14221 (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14221)
Edit: just read the quotes closer 1-4 are all covered in this short article.
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- “In Liverpool, [Moore] paused to contemplate the epicenters of evil in the modern world: “It’s all part of the same ball of wax, right? The oil companies, Israel, Halliburton.” (David Brooks in the New York Times, June 26. 2004)
From the Brooks article:
Before a delighted Cambridge crowd, Moore reflected on the tragedy of human existence: "You're stuck with being
connected to this country of mine, which is known for
bringing sadness and misery to places around the globe." In
Liverpool, he paused to contemplate the epicenters of evil
in the modern world: "It's all part of the same ball of
wax, right? The oil companies, Israel, Halliburton."
Where's the actual quote? Brooks writes, "In Liverpool, he paused to contemplate the epicenters of evil in the modern world:..." What did Moore say other than, "It's all the same ball of wax, right?"?
Where's the rest? Sure, you can simply state something like, "Moore says oil companies, Israel and Haliburton are evil", but where's the complet context and did he actually say it or is that just the meaning you walked away with because you loath Moore and think it sounds like something he would say?
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Originally posted by Sandman
Source?
Originally posted by midnight Target
Yea.. that would be nice.
Originally posted by Coolridr
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14221 (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14221)
Ouch, that's going to leave a mark.
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Originally posted by JBA
Ouch, that's going to leave a mark.
I Hope so:D
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Originally posted by Coolridr
I Hope so:D
Yea,
I'm tired of the Left and their drive by’s: “source”, what they are really are sayings is “LIAR”.
And once a source is given they never come back to comment on what the post was about.
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That or they say "Well look who wrote that article, right wing nutjob so-and-so"
This source is the Fat prettythanghat's own words.
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Well... according to your source, his words were, "It's all part of the same ball of wax, right?"
It's a little short of what was posted at the start. But what the hey... don't let the facts interrupt your little hate fest.
Originally posted by JBA
Yea,
I'm tired of the Left and their drive by’s: “source”, what they are really are sayings is “LIAR”.
And once a source is given they never come back to comment on what the post was about.
Pffft... you're just bitter 'cause it didn't leave the mark you thought it would. :aok
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Originally posted by demaw1
And yet so many jewish people are voting for kerry. Why?
Because a large portion of the Republican base believes that Jews are destined to burn in hell.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Well... according to your source, his words were, "It's all part of the same ball of wax, right?"
It's a little short of what was posted at the start. But what the hey... don't let the facts interrupt your little hate fest.
Pffft... you're just bitter 'cause it didn't leave the mark you thought it would. :aok
Our hate fest...That prettythanghat hates everything about America from the Government all the way down to the people. I don't know how any of you can like him,
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Got a source?
Well, I'm an American, I live in America, I love my country, and I feel very bad about what has happened to it for the last four years and what's been done in our name around the world.
source (http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2004/06/30/michael_moore_fahrenheit_911_interview.shtml)
:aok
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Circumvention of the language filter.
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Because a large portion of the Republican base believes that Jews are destined to burn in hell.
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Jews are just Christians that dont know it yet.
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Hmmm... can't find a single quote from your "source" that alludes to hatred of this country.
Direct quote, not alluded (http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2004/06/30/michael_moore_fahrenheit_911_interview.shtml).
:aok
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Circumvention of language filter
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Being a Israeli who lives and works in the US i would vote for Bush if i could. Most Jews in the US have no idea what it is like to live in Israel. So there political views will not be as you say here "right wing" as a Israeli Jews'. Sure Bush has in most peoples eyes commited your country to a un winnable war in Iraq and Afghanistan, but unfortuantly war and violence are the only thing extremists understand. If you do not fight them on their soil and show them that you are as powerful as they think they are then they will come to your land and butcher you.
And Grunherz im sure all good Jews will try to work our way back to number one as soon as possiable;)
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Dang..pinged twice in one thread for the language filter thing...gotta watch that;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Hmmm... can't find a single quote from your "source" that alludes to hatred of this country.
Direct quote, not alluded (http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2004/06/30/michael_moore_fahrenheit_911_interview.shtml).
:aok
It's all outlined in my source...He sees Americans as Dumb, Theiving, conniving and so on.....I define that as hate for his own people. If he disslikes us so much then now that he's got so much of our money maybe he should buy an island and LEAVE.
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Well I got to hand it to you guys.. Coolridr, JBA.. you have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that what you think he said is what you believe he said. Well done.
:aok
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Originally posted by Coolridr
It's all outlined in my source...He sees Americans as Dumb, Theiving, conniving and so on.....I define that as hate for his own people. If he disslikes us so much then now that he's got so much of our money maybe he should buy an island and LEAVE.
Got a direct quote? :D
He's obviously not supportive of Israel. Good for him. I don't give a rat's bellybutton about Israel either.
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Everyones words are interpreted differently by eveyone who hears/reads them. It's hard to tell what anyone REALLY means. Thats my take on what he himself has written. He also contradicts himself a few other places....watch the trailer for the movie linked below...especially the part where he says he won't do an interview because he doesn't appear in anyone elsed movies.
MMHatesAmerica (http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com)
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Originally posted by Coolridr
Everyones words are interpreted differently by eveyone who hears/reads them. It's hard to tell what anyone REALLY means. Thats my take on what he himself has written.
It's extremely difficult to tell what someone meant when the only source you have is someone else's interpretation.
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Why do Conservatives like putting words in other's mouths and then getting enraged by the words they themselves made up?
It just seems like a silly way to go about your life to me.
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Ed Koch (ex-mayor of NYC) has endorsed Bush. He is a liberal Democrat. The RNC are hoping to get around 30% of the Jewish vote. Koch hopes it’s around 50% and says GWB deserve that much for his support for Israel and for his confrontation of Islamic terrorism.
A lot of American Jews are liberal so I doubt Bush will get 50% but anything above the 19% he got last election definitely helps him. Especially here in Florida where there's a large section of retired Jews.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Ed Koch (ex-mayor of NYC) has endorsed Bush. He is a liberal Democrat. The RNC are hoping to get around 30% of the Jewish vote. Koch hopes it’s around 50% and says GWB deserve that much for his support for Israel and for his confrontation of Islamic terrorism.
I'm glad to see that Koch understands what the Iraq war was all about. ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm glad to see that Koch understands what the Iraq war was all about. ;)
Where does Koch state what the Iraq war is about? Are you putting words in his mouth now?
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Here is the full text of the New York Times article:
All Hail Moore
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: June 26, 2004
Columnist Page: David Brooks
Forum: Discuss This Column
E-mail: dabrooks@nytimes.com
In years past, American liberals have had to settle for intellectual and moral leadership from the likes of John Dewey, Reinhold Niebuhr and Martin Luther King Jr. But now, a grander beacon has appeared on the mountaintop, and from sea to shining sea, tens of thousands have joined in the adulation.
So it is worth taking a moment to study the metaphysics of Michael Moore. For Moore is not only a filmmaker; he is a man of ideas, and his work is based on an actual worldview.
Like Hemingway, Moore does his boldest thinking while abroad. For example, it was during an interview with the British paper The Mirror that Moore unfurled what is perhaps the central insight of his oeuvre, that Americans are kind of crappy.
"They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet . . . in thrall to conniving, thieving smug [pieces of the human anatomy]," Moore intoned. "We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing."
It transpires that Europeans are quite excited to hear this supple description of the American mind. And Moore has been kind enough to crisscross the continent, speaking to packed lecture halls, explicating the general vapidity and crassness of his countrymen. "That's why we're smiling all the time," he told a rapturous throng in Munich. "You can see us coming down the street. You know, `Hey! Hi! How's it going?' We've got that big [expletive] grin on our face all the time because our brains aren't loaded down."
Naturally, the people from the continent that brought us Descartes, Kant and Goethe are fascinated by these insights. Moore's books have sold faster there than at home. No American intellectual is taken so seriously in Europe, save perhaps the great Chomsky.
Before a delighted Cambridge crowd, Moore reflected on the tragedy of human existence: "You're stuck with being connected to this country of mine, which is known for bringing sadness and misery to places around the globe." In Liverpool, he paused to contemplate the epicenters of evil in the modern world: "It's all part of the same ball of wax, right? The oil companies, Israel, Halliburton."
In the days after Sept. 11, while others were disoriented, Moore was able to see clearly: "We, the United States of America, are culpable in committing so many acts of terror and bloodshed that we had better get a clue about the culture of violence in which we have been active participants."
This leads to Michael Moore's global plan of action. "Don't be like us," he told a crowd in Berlin. "You've got to stand up, right? You've got to be brave."
In an open letter to the German people in Die Zeit, Moore asked, "Should such an ignorant people lead the world?" Then he began to reflect on things economic. His central insight here is that the American economy, like its people, is pretty crappy, too: "Don't go the American way when it comes to economics, jobs and services for the poor and immigrants. It is the wrong way."
In an interview with a Japanese newspaper, Moore helped citizens of that country understand why the United States went to war in Iraq: "The motivation for war is simple. The U.S. government started the war with Iraq in order to make it easy for U.S. corporations to do business in other countries. They intend to use cheap labor in those countries, which will make Americans rich."
But venality doesn't come up when he writes about those who are killing Americans in Iraq: "The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not `insurgents' or `terrorists' or `The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow — and they will win." Until then, few social observers had made the connection between Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Paul Revere.
So we have our Sartre. And the liberal grandees Arthur Schlesinger, Ted Sorenson, Tom Harkin and Barbara Boxer flock to his openings. In Washington, a Senate vote was delayed because so many Democrats wanted to see his movie.
The standards of socially acceptable liberal opinion have shifted. We're a long way from John Dewey.
Perhaps inspired by Moore, I got a fact wrong in my previous column. Bill Clinton did not win the evangelical vote in 1992 and 1996. I had relied on a report that was later corrected.
Looks like many accurate direct quotes.
But I understand that yoiu need to keep pretending that Moore isnt what he so obviously is...
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Originally posted by Coolridr
Where does Koch state what the Iraq war is about? Are you putting words in his mouth now?
I was interpreting what he meant. He alluded to it. ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
I was interpreting what he meant. He alluded to it. ;)
HA! I knew it!:lol
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm glad to see that Koch understands what the Iraq war was all about. ;)
Saddam was paying money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Even if Saddam didn’t directly order those types of bombings his support for the families of the bombers more then likely helped to encourage a few.
Regardless of the US / GWB's motivation the removal of Saddam was a good thing, not only for Israel but for the Iraqi's themselves.
If your reply will be "well it's not worth the cost in American loves and dollars" then I refer you to history, so far it’s been relatively cheap.
If your reply will be "That's not why GWB went to war" then I say "so what” Saddam being gone is still a "good thing"
If your reply will be "Halliburton, War for Oil" again so what?
BTW I didn’t vote for GWB and don’t plan on it this time either. Nor would I be considered "a friend of Israel". Also, I am not a Christian.
I am just covering the obvious lib replies since I may not get back to this thread any time soon.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Here is the full text of the New York Times article:
That is an Op-Ed that appeared in the New York Times, not a New York Times article.
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Originally posted by Wotan
I am just covering the obvious lib replies since I may not get back to this thread any time soon.
Well... hell... glad we could had his discussion. I look forward to what I'll say next. ;)
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Originally posted by -MZ-
That is an Op-Ed that appeared in the New York Times, not a New York Times article.
LOL, you are desperate to deny and marginalize this to no end...
Go ahead, it only makes youy look more and moore and mooore foollish..
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
LOL, you are desperate to deny and marginalize this to no end...
Go ahead, it only makes youy look more and moore and mooore foollish..
Nope, just explaining how to read a newspaper.
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I thank each one who has so far responed to this thread. It went just about as I thought, but I wasnt looking for agreement.
I was looking for CLARITY, It is more important to be clear about good and evil, morals, integrity,character and honesty.
Masada there are many in America who understand .Israel and America are hated for the same reasons. You better be ready to stand alone, as you can tell from some here, if we lose this civil war we are in, You will get no help from us. We will cross that bridge when we come to it.
Source.... since grunherz gave a great source that said what I said , and after a source is given in here, most liberals will not respond ,I wont bother giving my source.
respectfully demaw.
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Originally posted by demaw1
Source.... since grunherz gave a great source that said what I said , and after a source is given in here, most liberals will not respond ,I wont bother giving my source.
respectfully demaw.
I did in fact respond to that article before Grun posted it.
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Nope, just explaining how to read a newspaper.
Thank you for educating us poor uinlightened masses with your important liberal newspaper wisdom... I beg only that I may be permitted to kiss the feet of one so wise as you...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Thank you for educating us poor uinlightened masses with your important liberal newspaper wisdom... I beg only that I may be permitted to kiss the feet of one so wise as you...
You may... but wash your lips first ;)
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No sandman you didnt , you just dismissed it and misdirected its meaning. If you were being intellectually honest the meaning would have jumped out at you.
Since you wouldnt even try to understand what was written, I wont take the time to spell it out for you.
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Well... think what you want... Michael Moore did not say, "There are four evils in the world, Halliburton, Oil Companies, Israel and Americans".
The writer may have inferred that Moore said this, but he doesn't give an actual quote.
The author does make clear that Moore does not agree with the U.S. support of Israel (big surprise) and that Moore feels that most americans are ignorant.
The former is probably open to debate. The latter is probably true.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Well... think what you want... Michael Moore did not say, "There are four evils in the world, Halliburton, Oil Companies, Israel and Americans".
The writer may have inferred that Moore said this, but he doesn't give an actual quote.
The author does make clear that Moore does not agree with the U.S. support of Israel (big surprise) and that Moore feels that most americans are ignorant.
The former is probably open to debate. The latter is probably true.
You see I can't agree with ignorant there shipmate.....I think most Americans just want to make ends meet and live their lives from day to day and aren't really too concerned with the rest of the world. Can't fault em for that. I as an individual wouldn't care less if I wasn't directly involved with our forien policy.
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Originally posted by demaw1
No sandman you didnt , you just dismissed it and misdirected its meaning. If you were being intellectually honest the meaning would have jumped out at you.
Since you wouldnt even try to understand what was written, I wont take the time to spell it out for you.
Intellectual honesty ain't staring back atcha in your mirror dude.
Your original post has not been shown to be true in any way. It would be intellectually honest to admit that.
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Originally posted by Coolridr
You see I can't agree with ignorant there shipmate.....I think most Americans just want to make ends meet and live their lives from day to day and aren't really too concerned with the rest of the world. Can't fault em for that. I as an individual wouldn't care less if I wasn't directly involved with our forien policy.
Actually, shipmate, you have agreed. Not being concerned or interested is the reason they're ignorant.
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Actually he called us ALL dumb..not ignorant..sorry used the wrong word
I love that we can use "shipmate" and they can't say anything about it:rofl
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Ahem... shipmate, here's a quote directly from Grun's post:
"We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance."
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Originally posted by Sandman
Ahem... shipmate, here's a quote directly from Grun's post:
"We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance."
Weeelll SHIPMATE....
he said that too...though I think it is by choice..not enforced. My opinion though just like it's his (even though he's wrong:D )
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Midnight Target...Sandman
Epicenter...the point of the earths surface directly above the focus of an earthquake.
Evil = morally bad or wrong..wicked...harmfull or injurious....the quality of being morally bad or wrong....wickedness...causes destruction, suffering, harm,[sadness or misery.]
Sadly you are stuck with america,which is known to bring [sadness ] and [misery] = [ read evil ] on the world.
moore paused; To contemplate the [ epicenters ] of [ evil ]
in the modern world. Its all the same ball of wax right, oil companies, halliburton, and Israel.
Same ball of wax = cut from the same cloth, struck from the same furnance. MEANS America,Israel,haliburton and oil companes are equally EVIL.
Read above the meaning of evil from websters...finally you know the meaning of evil.
Read above the meaning of epicenters...plural not single.
SO...moore said America,halliburton,oil companies and Israel are the centers of evil.
I didnt say you both were liers, I said you were INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST. And with the help of websters I have proven it.
You know Johhny Depp at least had the character to leave America for france because he didnt like what America stood for.
Why are you still here sandman ....midnight target?
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"Contemplating the epicenters of evil" is NOT a quote it is an opinion of the author of the article. Once again.... you are wrong.
Oh and demaw1, getting real tired of your constant questioning of my(read liberal) patriotism. BIOYA.
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^^^^^--Hippy Dissenter!!
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MT why even pretend that you give a damn about this? Like you would even care if Moore was filmed saying those things.. Well thats not true, I'm sure you would put a lot of careful effort into marginalizing, excusing and othrwise dismissing even such a source..
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You have succed in freaking me out...
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Originally posted by -MZ-
That is an Op-Ed that appeared in the New York Times, not a New York Times article.
One in the same
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You have succed in freaking me out...
Then my job is done here..
:cool:
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A whine has been recorded.
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in contrast to what many belive, american jews vote democrats (about 70% ?) because they belive this is what's good for america, not Israel.
But we really are slacking if we droped to 4th on the evil list. We were voted #1 only 2 month ago in a published poll.
What are we doing wrong :confused:
Bozon
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Originally posted by Eagler
F michael Moore-on and anyone who half believes his crap
F israel and anyone who believes in their terroist crap
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
F israel and anyone who believes in their terroist crap
HEIL! HEIL!
(http://www.us-israel.org/images/berlingames.jpg)