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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Downtown on October 31, 1999, 08:38:00 AM
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No, I am not, I don't do game the game tactics.
But, I doubt any of the QuakeMindSet Players that fly Aces High read the message boards, or give a Rats bellybutton about the community and developing the community.
They simply want to win, and can't accept losing in good grace, so they cheat. They still don't win, but in their minds they are the mouse giving the eagle the bird.
Throwing fits here and AGW and whatever/wherever your favorite Newsgroup/UBB is, probably has the same affect as politely asking them to stop with such behaviour. NONE.
If you see Ackstars on the Runway at a field.
MAKE IT KNOWN OVER CHANNEL 1
They are FREE TARGETS ON A RUNWAY.
If you don't like being Vultched, take off from another field.
If you see a stick stirrer in front of you, fall back a little more, and work on your gunnery, you can hit them between flops, you just have to time it right.
If you know an Alt F4 Dweeb is launching from a certain field, announce that on channel 1 also, invite everyone to come and attack the Alt F4 Dweeb, until he has Alt F4d so often, he doesn't play any more.
WE as a community need to make sure that individuals who would cheat know they are NOT welcome.
You can't make anything idiot proof, you can strive for a high degree of idiot resistance.
I don't want HTC to spend all their time writing code so cheaters can't cheat, I want them to spend all their time makeing the best most realistic FM of all my favorite WWII Aircraft.
I want us as COMMUNITY members to police our selves, and let everyone know what is unacceptable behaviour.
Unless Microsoft Changes their operating system, we are gonna be stuck with Alt F4rs, and as long as people refuse to die gracefully we will have these problems.
Let us take care of them.
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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Very Opinionated Person.
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"Downtown" ditto (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
Cherokee Indian
My Homepage
Where you can find the Key Commands in files for Word6 Wordpad and text mode.
indians Homepage (http://www.geocities.com/~tltoon)
Aces High Word6 and Wordpad Doc's available on my web site.
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I think I should further qualify this with.
As community members, if someone announces Ackstars on a runway, or Alt F4rs launching from a field, everyone should respond to make their lives miserable.
If you are the same country as the offenders, don't clear six, and don't go for the folks vultching the Ackstars.
You can also chide the offenders on your country channel, simply ask them to take their ball elsewhere. Perhaps the elementary school court. You will see your countrymen/dweebs Handles and can announce them on Channel 1, "Yep DartVdr is parked on the runway at F22, looks like a mighty sweet vultch target to me, why don't you Kn-Ig-Its come over and get him off my runway" type of chatter.
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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Very Opinionated Person.
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The alt-f4'ers can be eliminated through a code fix. Hopefully this will be in the next patch, as it's becoming a real problem.
ko
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Sorry, double post. Something weird going on with my browser or this message board today.
ko
[This message has been edited by koala (edited 10-31-1999).]
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Good post Downtown. Personally I like the good old fashioned dweeb hunt. Its great fun! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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-floo- fangs out
333rd Red Dawgs
JG 5 Eismeer
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Before any of you self righteous "Community Monitors" decide what I can or can not do, I suggest you kiss my ass.
In the first place, this is a game, a beta game at that, so what you can do, you SHOULD do, if for no other reason than to explore the total model, and all of it's features and possible ramifications.
If you don't like it, then you certainly have the option of a dweeb hunt, but just remember that since it costs nothing and registration is simple, those dweebs will continue to return in new disguises.
If the powers that be want to limit the available options, that is well within thier rights.
Not yours.
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(You guys DO know that I am talking about Ackstarring-Vulching type things IN the game, not Alt F4 type cheating, Right?)<edit>
[This message has been edited by Gadfly (edited 10-31-1999).]
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Shut up King! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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"kiss my ass"
Hmmm... no. But I am certainly allowed to draw my own conclusions, am I?
Az
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Azrael
XO 487th BG (Heavy) (http://www.487th.de)
'The Gentlemen from Hell'
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Please do, sir.
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"those dweebs will continue to return in new disguises."
Woo hoo!! more dweebs to hunt! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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333rd Red Dawgs
JG 5 Eismeer
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Ummmm... ackstarring, alt F4ing, vulching. stick stirring?
I suppose ackstars will be dealt with and vulching will always be a viable part of this game. But Alt F4ing is just one of many ways some characters will find to avoid getting killed. The bigger issue may be the Quest for points. Does it really matter if the goofs Alt F4, disco, auger or bail? In any case you have beat him and he is out of action. I'm sure this will become less of an issue after the beta is done. (Of course, it's easy for me to say "the points don't matter", since I don't have any =o)
BTW, what the heck is 'stick stirring'?
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Stick stirring is moving your stick very fast and this causes your FE to send ALOT of info to the server. The Server makes your plane appear to flop around like a fish to anyone behind you.
For some reason you don't stall and fall out of the sky when you stick stir.
I wish that HT would model it so that if someone was stick stirring, they would stall.
Anyhow, stick stirring is flopping your controls around and causing your plane to flop about.
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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Very Opinionated Person.
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Ubetcha DT!
-Surfer
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Well Gadfly,
I personally don't have anything agains vultching.
I have seen Tora Tora Tora (Okay I have it on laser disk) and the IJN certainly shot up a bunch of P-40s on the runways that were trying to get airborne.
The only time I have a problem with it is when you have your opponent down to one field, and you don't go for the close/reset, you just keep vultching to pad your score.
That is the only instance where vultching is wrong.
As to Ackstarring, as I said, I believe the cure is in Dweeb Hunts. If we get the B-25C with the C-75, I will look forward to folks that want to park their Ack Wagons on Runways.
Bombs/Rockets should also take care of aircraft on the runway.
I like HTs idea for guns, and don't think they should be disabled on the ground.
I would rather make the prospect of leaving a B-17 parked on the runway and acting as an ackwagon, unpaletable. They are ground targets, and should be treated as such.
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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Very Opinionated Person.
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Oh, is that what that is. I just thought my targets where spinning (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Does a warp usually follow the flopping? I can't remember seeing a plane flop around like that and then warp anywhere. They make great targets while there flopping like that. Seems to me that with the nature of the internet, it would'nt really matter if they stirred. If you kill them on ur front end while their flopping around, ur fe should send a message to the server saying u killed the flopper (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.
As far as the alt f4 thing...I know that my connect has been getting steadily worse..I"m generally booted 3 or 4 times every hour now....cant help but wonder how many players I've pissed off by getting booted. Thankfully, I dont find myself saddled up on too often (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Prolly cause I'm likely warpin all over the place (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
CRASH
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Good post downtown!
Ackstar's are indead the lowest form of life.
Come on guys, you know who you are. Instead of endlessly trying to hold that field get together with your country mates & take one!
Count me in on any dweeb hunts required.
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Ackstaring will allway be here.At this point in time its not even an issue.It started 11 years ago in AW DOS,Do you really think that all of a sudden its going to stop? One the FW190 is out,Who cares about ackstars..Just another target (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As for stickstirring,let em. Back off throttle and the will cross threw you gun sights more than 5 or 6 times.. Easy meat if you really want em.
All of the above has been happening since the 1st online fighter sim came out.
It will allways be,live with it.Time to kill this useless thread here & now..
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--wd-- Jagdgeschwader 26 "Schlageter"
"The Abbeville Boys"
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ok it seems to me that the ability to totaly stop a field capture no matter how many or how skilled the pilots with one 5 yearold in a 17 respawning as often as nessisary is a important issue. and a resolvable one . i respectfully submit you were incorrect and impolite.
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People, don't forget not everyone who disappears is using alt f4. Since version .36 came out, I have started to suffer from the CH ForceFx 'memory leak', which causes me to lock up after almost exactly 1hr of gameplay. And it usally happens when I have multiple kills to land it seems (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif). I do realize some people do it, but don't go on a hunt unless you sure about that! If you see a P51 suddenly disappear on you in the heat of battle, it's probably me locking up! Don't worry, I come back to give you another shot most of the time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ts
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Here's a fresh one.
P51 bounced me with some 3k alt advantage. I fought this pilot before and in almost same situation. So, I kind of recognized his style. Also, I saw his name on roster and I knew where I might find him.
After two passes our E levels were even, and now he extended. Nevertheless, I gained slowly on him. When I got within d10, he dove. I could not follow with my 109, so I lagged a bit. Again, I was now catching up, and he was lower.
The chase lasted for 10 minutes, and ended at very low level, some 1.8k distance. He flew for his field or friendlies, but none was near.
All of the sudden - poof !!! He vanishes out of my gunsight. At first I though he crashed, but no way, he flew for almost 10 minutes low level, obvioulsy under auto trim.
I checked roster. The suspect was not on the list. I check after 3 minutes, and there is he, with 487th sticking proudly behind his name.
Not to mention, he never responded to me on open channel.
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Hristo,
I/JG 51
Jagdgeschwader 51 “Mölders” (http://www.angelfire.com/ut/jg51/jg51.html)
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I think that peoples handles should show to both sides. I guess that this has probebly been done for a reason. But I would rather that they showed.
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A picture is worth a 1000 words hristo. This screen came up several times for me Tuesday. So maybe you should just cool your jets ther big guy.
www.recomnet.net/~newt/disco.gif (http://www.recomnet.net/~newt/disco.gif)
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Newt 487th FG
Project No. U.S.
From CK beta to Warbirds have prop will travel...
[This message has been edited by newt (edited 11-02-1999).]
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1st: It was not you, Newt.
2nd: What a coincidence to be discoed after 10 minutes tree top chase, when he had to turn 90 degrees to head to his base, when 109 was 1.8k behind and waiting for that turn, when 109 took course to lead turn him and keep more energy then him, when fuel question was becoming important, when there were no friendlies to help....what an incredible coincidence
3rd: He never replied on open channel, not when I was trying to make him turn, not after he returned and fellow player asked him about the disco.
No, Newt, I don't buy it. At least he should have told something after he rejoined. Then I would feel bad of accusing him.
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Hristo,
I/JG 51
Jagdgeschwader 51 “Mölders” (http://www.angelfire.com/ut/jg51/jg51.html)
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Right now without plane debris it is allomost impossible to tell if a plane augers or ALT F4s,Ive chased a few plane that have flown near our ACK & the plane just dissapears.. Same with low level fights & chases..Did he try to ditch & he augered? Or did he ALT F4 out?.. Till we get smoke for oil & fuel leaks & debris floating around after a kill,Plane will just keep dissapearing.
Once scoring is setup properly,you will get the kill for anyone that ALT F4s out if you have hits on him..
But for now,theres plenty of targets that wont ALT F4.. If ya see a pair of hi p51s just come over & play with them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Most likely be Me & Voss.. and we stay around till the end..
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--wd-- Jagdgeschwader 26 "Schlageter"
"The Abbeville Boys"
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How about a new disco approach then ?
Let's say you fight a guy and he discoes in the middle of the dogfight. But his plane should not just dissapear, only the pilot would be removed from the plane by some unknown alien force (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) The plane would continue to fly with no control, until it hits the ground or gets shot down. At least a manuever kill would be guaranteed.
How about it ? It might lead to some funny looking fights, IMO (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Excellent idea histro
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>Most likely be Me & Voss.. and we stay around till the end..
...and so will I. I'm too hard-headed to 'alt F4' during any fight. I'll ditch in heartbeat if I'm wounded and beatup, but I'll never 'alt f4'.
Plus, I'm very familiar with dying in AW, WB, CK, AH, etc. Nothing new for me.
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-Surfer
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