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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs on February 12, 2001, 08:40:00 AM
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Yep... It's possible that with the idiotic perk system the fights will be lower and bigger. The dream planes and the anal dipshits who will fly em are best at high alt sneak up and run away tactics or catching someone alone, away from the crowd. Jet day in WB is a good example.
It won't take long for the masses to realize that high alt is unhealthy and not being in a crowd is too big a chance to take.
So, fly low, fly furball and avoid the cowardly perk pile its. Let em play with themselves.
lazz
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halaluja !!
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I sense a definate split coming up between the children and the adults!
Yeager
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Originally posted by lazs:
Yep... It's possible that with the idiotic perk system the fights will be lower and bigger. The dream planes and the anal dipshits who will fly em are best at high alt sneak up and run away tactics or catching someone alone, away from the crowd.
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What Yeager? Even more separation between the men and the girls? How am I supposed to see my targets from 40k high if they all down low and slow?
fscott
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FWIW Fscott,
If the perk system pulls a darwin and eliminates Lazs from the virtual gene pool I wont cry the tears of a clown.
Yeager
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[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 02-12-2001).]
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Hey, its the usual "I have nothing constructive to say so I start my morning by standard troll" lazs post! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Originally posted by Yeager:
FWIW Fscott,
If the perk system pulls a darwin and eliminates Lazs from the virtual gene pool I wont cry the tears of a clown.
Yeager
oops, forgot me smiley (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 02-12-2001).]
LOL!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!
The following are cut from another post:
I don't know where you guys have been playing but if you want the "Furball 'O' Matic" it is on here. What the h... are you guys talking about really. Every time someone tries to take a base there is a fur ball over it. Sometimes BIG BIG ones with no way of avoiding a fight. It sounds like what you don't like is not having the advantage and having the guy getting away. Oh no that's terrible. If your talking about individual encounters one on one then that's life on AH sorry. Go up at that field that's getting attacked and jump into the middle of it. I really like to see a guy fly a plane to it's fullest even if that means he wins or gets away. I salute them. Great fight. You flew your plane smart and well. Anyone that has fought me can tell you I'm not afraid of getting into the middle of it. Just ask Weave, BUG322, Sundog or any number of others. But I tell you what I will try to get the BIGGEST advantage I can before I start. I don't like getting shot down I like to win. The thing that drives me into a disadvantage dogfight usually is boredom. I get tired of waiting for the advantage and say screw it. Some people don't. Oh Well!
TheWobble they don't want to have to think. They want lots of rock'um sock'um action. The Quake 'O' Matic. If it takes more then a minute or two it's frustrating and boring. Instant action. I think Jane's and AW have an Instant Action button. It puts you right in the middle of it right off the start. There you go were back to Jane's and AW. There you go guys. Problem solved. I'm surprised these guys have time to get ANY alt. That takes 3 or 4 minutes. How about this. We all fly around right on the deck. That would be conducive of a BIG plane set. How about this one. Spawn points at 20k. Everyone starts at the same alt 1k apart. It would be like a quick draw contest. Oh wait the Mustangs might dive. Ok, we spawn at vehicle spawn points 500 yards apart and dive around shooting at each other. That would stop those pesky Mustangs. We could even have a smash up derby! Wow I think I should start my own flight sim. I'll call it Short Attention Span Furball 'O' Matic Ace. Man from what I've seen I'll get a lot of takers. Oh no! I posted it. Now HT will use the idea. Oh well!
[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 02-12-2001).]
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Lazs!
What did I tell you about not taking your meds!
Obviously the Anti-perkaline 20mg isn't enough. I'm going to up your prescription to 40mg just to be safe.
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Sorry but I still don't like the perk system.
I still don't think it's right that I pay the same or more than others and they could fly more AC than me.
The only people that benefit from it are the people who have no life that fly 5 hours or more a day.
I think if you are going to make an AC available to one person then all should get it.
And NO it won't be that way with the perk system because if they set the number of points high for a certain AC then only the people who are on all the time will get it.
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I dunno mighty1,
A hundred Me262s flying around nilly willy isnt my idea of personal choice. I would love to have a Me262 to fight in but I wouldnt want AH to be filled with em on a 24-7 basis. So what would you do? Limit the planeset or develope some system allowing everything, with the more exotic stuff (Like F4Us with quad 20s) being made avalable to those that can accumulate and spend capital.
Look at it like this, the perk system is like investing in mutual funds. Play your cards with some smarts and you accumulate wealth.
Just wait to see whether you can be successfull in a point accumulation system rather than denouncing it outright before it has been fully implimented.
Yeager
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Lazs, your Jet Day example from Warbirds doesn't hold water, because anyone could jump into an ME-262 on jet day. So, the skies tended to be full of jets. Whereas the only ones flying the jets and perkies in AH will be the ones with the points. The number of perk planes in the air at any one time wil be small. Another difference is that on Warbirds jet day, you could replane immediately back into your jet when you died. Ain't gonna happen under the AH perk system.
HTC will be able to fine tune the perk system, adjusting points levels to ensure that the skies won't be full of perk planes all the time.
Once again, another paranoid Lazsism that can't stand up to the test of common sense and logic.
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yeah..."smarts" like camping on line or bombing the grunt factory? Mutual funds? LOL!
Quake? play long enough and you get a "powerup" or "rocket pack" uber plane?? Seems the perkies are the quakers to me. They don't want to fight with planes of equal abilities. Gotta have and edge.
There may not be any more seperation between the "men and the girls" The girls may still come down to take a dainty little feminine kick at the men down there but hey..... I was just tryin to make the best of a bad situation.
I can understand how some would like to fly the unimportant fantasy, quake, low production, uber rides.... I just can't understand why they want to fly em against lesser planes. Character flaw is all I can think.
lazs
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banana you may be right... I was only really refering to the fact that jets were just a pain in the butt and made flying that day more work than fun... you could avoid em but it just wasn't worth the effort. better to just log and wait till the planeset was evened out again. With the idiotic perk system, it seems assured that the sky will allways have some dipshit in a perk ride and... that the people you would least like to see in em will be the ones in em. They reward boring and cowardly behavior thus making AH less fun.
As for another "paranoid lazsism that doesnn't hold water" Maybe... but, can you name even one other one?
Yeager you crack me up... someone who (cough) "fights" in a p51 is assuring me that perk planes will be fine, a good thing even. I'm sure that most who have been around P51's have not missed the irony.
lazs
jim... we all like to win. We all take whatever advantage we can get but.... The quality of the win is everything. I'm sure you will admit that there is no point in a "salute" from either party when you blow someone away who is at the fridge. The very best fights for everyone are the nail biters.
moose... why anyone with your sharp wit would pick a handle of a super dumb bovine is beyond me.
wank... again, a truly baffling handle.
[This message has been edited by lazs (edited 02-12-2001).]
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You can pound it in their heads over and over and over and over, but these thick-headed crybabies still do not understand that the perk system is not meant so that everyone gets to fly the best planes. You know what, you don't get to fly a perk? TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOO OOOOO BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAA AAAAAD!
fscott
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Thats funny lazs,
This coming from a guy whos main ride is a rare and overly lethal (ACM skill compensator?) cannon monster.
Not to worry though, when you have surpassed your "dipshit" quota (which has probably happened already) there is always AW and FA.
I think from what Ive heard, these are more up your insta-thrill gang bang shootem up alley!
Giddy up,
Yeager
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Yeager:"ACM skill compensator?"...
Thought you were referring to the Uber-stang until I read the cannon part. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(Run Forest! You've lost the advantage, Run!)
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Actually Yeag, lazs flies the DHog, not the C(annon)hog. Same FM though. :P
As for my handle, I got the nickname playing hockey for the Falmouth HS clippers 4 years ago. Mostly because I'm big and not so agile. It stuck, and even now most of my friends call me by that.
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As for another "paranoid lazsism that doesnn't hold water" Maybe... but, can you name even one other one?
How about your paranoia with anyone even hinting at added realism. "Phony Realism" is how I remember you stating it. For someone who had complained so long and loudly about the unrealistic six view of the Corsair(in WB's), and about the unrealistic turn radius in the pre-1.04 FM's, your fear and loathing of anything that smacks of realism is a paradox, indeed.
I dunno Lazs, sometimes you make valid observations and lucid arguments, but your idea of the perfect flight sim seems to be way out there compared to most people, even we Amish.
Ya I know, there's nothing historical about perks, but in the long run I think it's a better way to treat uberplanes and the pilots that love them, than a free-for-everyone RPS.
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Rip,
Dont tell me your *STILL* dependant on "that damned thing" to get kills!
LOL!
Yeager (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Yeager:
Rip,
Dont tell me your *STILL* dependant on "that damned thing" to get kills!
LOL!
Yeager (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Nope, if I want kills, I fly the Uberstang! My best overall K/D ratio from tour 1 thru 13 is in the Must-ran.
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ok class let's review...
yeager thinks I fly a CHog..
moose is not only as witty as one but as large...
fscott still doesn't get it... He thinks the everquest model is the one everyone lusts for. save up for them potions and spells scottie!
wank believes that poor ol paranoid lazs should never have brought up the minor little six view "problem" in WB or the "slight" turn problem of 1.03 AH...
rip is wrong... it's "he sees us! run away! run away!"
mighty is of course, a reasonable and bright lad. He get's a star. The rest get your knuckles rapped witha ruler.
lazs
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Not to imply this has any bearing on your maturity, but how old are you Lazs?
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ok lazs, preliminary reports clear you of the recent Chog charge (rip isnt so lucky). You now have "half a leg" to stand on.
Feel proud of this accomplishment and go get your perk account rolling!
Laughing,
Yeager
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moose.. if it has no "bearing" then what is the point? Don't feel obligated to earn that handle lad.
yeager... I don't know how to thank you. The yeager blessing on my plane choice! Little confused tho... P51 Kills in a "perk" -4Hog will be what??? A good thing or a dweeb thing? I'm sure that someone of your maturity won't mind that a -4Hog would out everything a p51 at any alt tho right?
lazs
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Fscott yeah I may be a crybaby but its still roadkill to think it's fair to ALL the paying customers.
Yeager my point is when you have a perk system you are rewarding someone for doing something right.... correct? So what are people doing that warrants them to get something I don't get? Have a better K/D ratio? Spend more time in inferior AC? NO! It will be the ones that spend the most time flying.
I'm not saying there can't be something done to make the perk system work but I'm not sure how long I'm going to be around if I'm denied access to the same AC that everyone else has.
Oh yeah before you start Fscott <Finger> sit and spin!
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1 day of being able to fly the me262 in an RPS "could" be less of an "intrusion" to a sim then the perk system. Now, not knowing what the cost of a perk plane will be I can only make a guess. I imagine that after 1 or 2 weeks you will start seeing pilots reach their required points to purchase a perk plane. Simply put, we all will aquire said points at different rates. It is possible then to see or be engaged against a perk planes more times over a longer duration then in a free-for-all that lasts one day.
I think Lazs makes a super thread for discussion. You just have to have the decoder ring from a frosted flakes box to read between the bait.
"wank believes that poor ol paranoid lazs should never have brought up the minor little six view "problem" in WB or the "slight" turn problem of 1.03 AH" Both of these were changed after Lazs' started his crusades. He is one of the best at blending well thought out issues with fish hooks.
If we actually discuss the introduction systems, we might actually affect what HTC's starting cost might be one way or the other. Rememeber this perk plane cost is a value that is easily changed on the host side, so it will go through a varity of tweeks. Depending on how the gameplay is effected. I don't know how it will effect me. I do know that the Chog or the Me262 hasn't effected my style of flying or the intensity of enjoyment I receieve. The great thing about HTC is that we have so many different ways to enjoy this sim. The bad thing is when another feature is added it affects some in a positive, some in a neutral, and some in a negative position.
So please discuss the issue, I would love to hear from all 3 sides.
Drex
[This message has been edited by Drex (edited 02-12-2001).]
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Originally posted by lazs:
Quake? play long enough and you get a "powerup" or "rocket pack" uber plane?? Seems the perkies are the quakers to me. They don't want to fight with planes of equal abilities. Gotta have and edge.
There may not be any more seperation between the "men and the girls" The girls may still come down to take a dainty little feminine kick at the men down there but hey..... I was just tryin to make the best of a bad situation.
I can understand how some would like to fly the unimportant fantasy, quake, low production, uber rides.... I just can't understand why they want to fly em against lesser planes. Character flaw is all I can think.
lazs
So lazs, what do you do when you come across a lesser plane? run away because there is no point in fighting them? What about when you meet an equal plane but you have alt advantage, or numbers advantage? Unless you run away youre a being bit hypocritical. Someone always has some kind of advantage, thats part of the game.
The way i see it, perk drivers have two choices. They can go high where they'll be safer, but wont be much of a threat to furballers.
If they can go low where they can get more kills they'll be vulnerable high p51s, tiffies, or some other guy in a perk.
And that give me an idea. When flying a perk plane, the only way to get more perk points is to kill another perk plane. That gives some incentive for perk vs perk fighting, but none for perk vs. non-perk.
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Ok Lazs ::throws white flag up::
Since there is no sense in carrying on a back and forth arguement / discussion with you, there is no point to even listening anymore.
If you want to butt heads on every issue you'll find that most intelligent people will give way in order to facilitate a *discussion* (after all, this is a 'general discussion' forum) . I might not agree with you but I try to see your point, but it must be hidden in all the ranting. (hey, someone mail me that decoder ring!)
Moose out
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Honetly Lazs,
Im easy going about this whole online sim thing. Perk it, RPS it, WW2 Arena it....I dont much care one way or the other.
One thing that I do like is the possibility of fighting with and against some of the more exotic planes and vehicles of the era. If the guys at HTC want to try a thing called perk points then Im more than happy to give it a chance.
Too much premonition by you and others on this thing. Let it have a chance and then make the forceful critiques.
Mighty1,
I know what you mean. I say look at it after its implimentation, then we will all have more experience with which to discuss these matters.
Yeager
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Hit the nail right on the head Yeager
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I will never ever see a perk ride, and couldn't care less.
OTOH, management of the fleet is tied to perk points; now there's something perhaps you folks have missed. If Gilligan has more points than the Skipper, well, they are off on a 3-hour tour.... and boy, will the weather get rough!
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Kirin
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Regurge, go to the head of the class. Good points, all of them. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Point:
Only people with tones of flying hours will have perk planes.
Counter point:
Why would people that fly more have any greater access to perk planes as a % of their flying time in normal planes then anyone else of simular skill?
Point:
Perk planes will Unballance the arena.
Counter Point:
Introduction of more uber planes will unballence the area if there is no check to there usage. HT, Pyro, Me lots of people with money to spend are interested in late war planes. How to introduce them if you think the RPS is gona wreck your game?
Point:
People flying perk planes will fly in some special way that is so cowerdly and gamey that they will wreck the game.
Counter Point:
People will fly the best way they know how. If you gained your perk points in the Hog C how you gona start spending them flying like your in a Mustang or a Spitfire..Best news for all of us is a Niki pilot flying his perk like he is in a Pony.
Point:
The Perk system seems to be turning into an anti popular airplane system. Instead of a Anti Uber airplane system.
Counter Point:
The voting public is well qualified to decide the capabilities of an AC by chosing to fly it over others.
Point:
Current planes should not be Perked. That will ruin the game for people that are playing the game cause of those planes.
Counter Point:
Anyone that says they took up online gaming because they wanted to relive the glory days of the F4u1c or the N1K2-J is lying. They are flying them because they should be perked but are not.
Point:
This plane or that plane or all planes should be perked.
Counter Point: I think that planes should earn perk status. By being in the MA for a tour. That way people in the know will be able to help test the FM and stuff for new planes in the best way possible..In the MA.
Point:
Perks will cause the sky to fall.
Counter Point:
Too late, the sky falls every week here.
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So what's your point? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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regurge.. what i do now when I see an "inferior" plane is to try and kill it. This may be "hypocritical" save for a couple of points. right now... The set is pretty evenly matched with, at the very least, their is the allmost certain chance that my slightly "superior" plane will be countered by a large amount of planes of equal or slightly better abilities.
Second.. The person in the "inferior" plane is in it by CHOICE. for one reason or another he feels(and he may be right) that he will prevail. If he is wrong he can allways try whatever plane he feels is better.... Same as the rest of the players. What could be more fair? What could be less fair than the idiotic perk system? You would really have to stretch to come up with a worse one.
lazs
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
Sorry but I still don't like the perk system.
What's not to like? It's not implemented yet.
Inhale.
Trust in HiTech.
Exhale.
Inhale.
He hasn't steered us wrong yet.
Exhale.