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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TBolt A-10 on September 05, 2004, 09:56:35 PM
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I just wanna say WTG Rookies for resetting the map despite not being able to use B-17s, B-26s, P-51Ds, Ostis, Panzers, 109's, F4U's amongst others.
ENY sucks. But, we STILL made it happen tonight.
[size=8]WTG ROOKS![/size] :)
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Douldnt even fly a Spit 5. I really dont like this ENY thing, I dont feel like I get my monies worth when playing and unable fully utilize the game and the plane sets. Im not going to hang out if it is not going to be changing.
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
I just wanna say WTG Rookies for resetting the map despite not being able to use B-17s, B-26s, P-51Ds, Ostis, Panzers, 109's, F4U's amongst others.
ENY sucks. But, we STILL made it happen tonight.
I certainly hope HT makes some revisions to the whole ENY thing soon, because I have had all I can take.
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See? The horde didn't need uber planes to roll tide roll after all. And you guys are actually beechin' that you didn't have fun doin' it? Go figure. :D
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Yes, Congratulations Rooks, was a fun night.
Frankly though, I took a 7 month break from the game for work and other projects, and was really looking forward to getting back into the air.
What I found, however, was what in my opinion is a joke. I came back to fly with my squad, and my friends I've made over the years. I came back to fly the planes I enjoy flying. I did not come back to be forced into a small select group of planes because someone whined and cried about being on the short end of a stick. I pay the fee's to log in and play when I want, and when I can. I'm flat out stunned that because someone else's complaining, I have to play "their" game.
I'm afraid not, if you want me to play by someone elses rules, then by God they can pay my bill. I refuse to have my time and my experience dictated as to what and with whom I fly.
After a long day, I want and pay to up a P-38. Not some joke of a plane that some mouth says I "should" learn to fly. I've been around for quite a while, if I wanted to fly a P-51B I'd fly one. When I feel like blowing the crap out of city in a B-17 then I pay for and Want that B-17 available. I don't care who is on the receiving end of it. I don't care that a bunch of rooks like to get on and fly Sundays. I don't intend to schedule my flight time around someone elses wishes.
Fact of the matter is we won regardless of what the eny penalties were, so give us the planes we want to fly already.
I thought HT learned from EAs crap that appeasing the whiners is a bad idea.
Guess Not.
I won't be here come the next billing cycle if this isn't changed.
I'm just one. No one will miss my $14.95.
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I hate to have to inform you, ROCrat .... but you've played this game by someone else's rules from day one. Now the rules have changed a bit. Adapt and face the challenge, man. Seems the rest of the rookhorde did.
When they added rules to football like no roughing the kicker and stuff ..... the sport flat out died .... heh .... yeah. :D
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Stop your whinning. HT made alot of changes to the game to appease all the furballers and I didn't complain. I didn't like it but I didn't complain. Now they're trying to even the playing field by countering not just a minor imbalance but a great big worm hole of one and yet you complain because you can't fly with your 50:1 odds with your favorite perk planes. But I guess your just like all the other selfish, self centered, it's all about me individuals who only care about them selves and not anyone elses game play or how you could careless if some one else quits because he's tired of being ganged raped 24/7 just as long as your game play isn't changed. And what do I hear from your side? "Get over it", "change sides" or "don't let the door hit you on the way out". so i guess its CYA
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i dont like the eny plane disablement thing either ...
Its wrecking squad nite ..
its feels like being punished
I pay for the game to fly the plane set, and i mean the whole plane set not just a few planes .. ill play the senarios when i want a limited planeset .
I dont think this is the correct way to balance the numbers closer .
(<---- anouther Loooong time customer getting irritated )
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You didn't inform me of anything Arlo.
I'll like the "rules" or I won't. Adapt and face the challenge? What challenge? What does flying planes I do not like have to do with a challenge? I do fine in whichever plane I up, that's not the point. I wish to up the plane I chose. If that's not available, due to the "fairness" that is artificially imposed, then I made a mistake reupping this game.
I chose my forms of entertainment based on what I get out of it. I do not appreciate being limited in my choices. I am supposed to buck up and face the challenge? LMAO how about the whiners face the challenge of fighting whatever I decide to fly? Wheres the call for them to face the challenge?
Face the challenge. That's good. An entire arena is penalized because some cry babies will NOT face the challenge, Cannot deal with unfairness, and want to limit someone elses ability so they can get a kill or two.
I cannot believe you suggested that. That's rich. I was in the arena tonight, flew Mossies. I hate mossies, but flew them, got ample kills, took out plenty of targets, and we won the reset. We could have won the reset had I been able to fly my B17 or my P38. I could not. I was penalized in the name of "fairness". Point, and Only Point, I logged in to enjoy the game I subscibed to. Won the reset? Ya great, but a Minor point. I did not enjoy the game. Like I said, it changes or I am gone. No loss. I'm just one guy. Life moves on.
I will find recreation that I do enjoy. Plenty of options, thought this was one of them.
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Meddog, get a clue, it is about me. My free time, My recreation, My entertainment, My money, My Decision. Deal with it.
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WTG ROOKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :aok
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Yeah, you pay your money to fly whatever you want, but who cares if you out number the other side by 2 to 1. I'm sure they're having a blast being rolled over.
If you want to fly what you want, even the sides. Otherwise, have fun learning to fly a new plane.
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I have expressed my feelings on this issue in a private email to HTC. Im not going to air my dirty laundry here, Ive enjoyed this game far too much over the years not to give them that courtesy.
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i thought I did. I said you were selfish , self centered and all about me. I'll agree with what was said above. If you don't like the plane set change sides.
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once again,
you pay for arena acesses not to fly a certain plane. please get used to the idea.
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...but, you see...
the ENY limiter was supposed to make the sides balanced by limiting the plane set. Rooks reset anyway - with numbers. So something else must be coming which will be introduced to FORCE NUMBERS BALANCE...
(waiting for the other shoe to drop...).
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Bull!!!!
This Eny is a total joke! It is ruining squad nights. It is ruining squads. Hitech flat out did wrong!
Ya know, it's not even so much the Eny thing as it is the fact that the Perky planes for the other countries get cheap. Your idea of an even playing field is Spit 5's against 262's???
In the first place the numbers were only outta wack on Sundays. Eny is a gross over reaction to a non-problem.
Then some clown in another post wants to know where the Big Furballs went. LOL
Resets are gone
JABO with a purpose is gone
Furballs are gone
Team Death Matches are gone.
This has become a FPS death match. Quakebirds is here played by a bunch of Quakers. When I came here from WarBirds this looked like a Sim. It is anything but now.
Hey, I don't care. Let's go with a rolling planeset. Let's use the Eny but don't make the perked planes cheap for the other countries!!
Bah!!!
Dracon
Oh yeah flame away laddies, I could care less. Another squad night where 4 pilots instead of 12 showed. No missions run. We logged
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Originally posted by Hyrax81st
(waiting for the other shoe to drop...).
You're going to have to take more than one night before you can draw any type of conclusion. I would argue that, in general, the level of imbalance has decreased in AH2 after introduction of the plane limiter. One night of imbalance hardly disproves its effectiveness, and if anything it suggests that HTC should impose even stricter plane limits in the future.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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ok dracon ill bite your eny and furball thing.
ENY encourages smarter flying in older planes, therefore, you will accutally get better fights when numbers even out, because pilots flying the older planes get good and become monsters in the new versions. Therefore you get a better fight and more "skill" in the arena. Personally i like a good 1 on 1 vs. a "im going to kill myself in a furball" mindset. makes flying much more fun imo.
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While I think the whole ENY/balancer deal still needs work, I had to great time in the 51B and 190A-5 tonight. I almost felt sorry for the non-Rooks ... stuck in those La-7's, La-7's, La-7', eggs, and La-7's.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
once again,
you pay for arena acesses not to fly a certain plane. please get used to the idea.
From Aces High Website..
Over 70 planes, vehicles and boats representing six countries.
Fully integrated air, land and sea battles.
Built-in voice support with AHVOICE.
Force feedback joystick support.
Player organized special events.
In the hanger I count 75. So as soon as the ENY kicks in and disables 5 aircraft... the game is no longer what AH advertises.
I guess it COULD say ... Over 70 Planes (depending on which country you fly for)
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B17Skull12, I couldn't agree more...your point is solid, yet the reverse is true more times then not. The older lesser planes are "Cherry Picked" by the newer perked ones. Regardles of the reset tonight, there were plenty of unhappy pilots. The buffer was full of them. These are the guys that PAY for this game. Get them upset and you lose players and soon, the game. Think it can't happen? AW, EAW, WarBirds thought it couldn't happen and look now. Specifically WarBirds thought their player base would never leave. Now, 50 is a big night.
DoKGonZo, Cool! Glad it was fun for you. It's supposed to be. It was. it was when I joined Rook and we got pulverized constantly. It was fun to watch Rookdom grow. What's happened since the mis-begotten birth of Aces High 1 1/2 ain't fun or funny.
Gonna hang around some to see if : "This too shall pass"
CYAs,
Dracon
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This is hilarious. Remember when Rooks would gloat and brag whenever some dumb schmuck would whine about their Sunday night numbers? It's kind of bizarre to see many of them turned into whiney little posers despite the fact that they still enjoyed massive numbers advantages. Karmic justice?
Suck it up already.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I'm sure HT will figure something else out - or tune this ENY thing. There have been plenty of really good suggestions and its pretty obvious that ENY was only a speedbump to The Horde.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I'm sure HT will figure something else out - or tune this ENY thing. There have been plenty of really good suggestions and its pretty obvious that ENY was only a speedbump to The Horde.
True...obviously, the Rooks proved that the ENY-limiter truly doesn't work.
I respect the company of HTC; I really do. But, I hope that Hitech has paid-off his airplane already because he's done a good job at pissing off a lot of long-time (repeat: long-time) combat simmers with this ENY-limiter garbage. And, when the game isn't fun to play anymore, people DO walk; the core community crumbles & the company dies (it has happened many times before).
Who knows how many programmers are out there right now coding the next big sim. HT is just pushing his customer base to look & pray for that new game...somewhere else. :(
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
despite the fact that they still enjoyed massive numbers advantages. Karmic justice?
-- Todd/Leviathn
That's about the only thing we "enjoyed" - for the lack of a better word - tonight, unfortunately. :rolleyes:
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True...obviously, the Rooks proved that the ENY-limiter truly doesn't work.
I respect the company of HTC; I really do. But, I hope that Hitech has paid-off his airplane already because he's done a good job at pissing off a lot of long-time (repeat: long-time) combat simmers with this ENY-limiter garbage. And, when the game isn't fun to play anymore, people DO walk; the core community crumbles & the company dies (it has happened many times before).
Who knows how many programmers are out there right now coding the next big sim. HT is just pushing his customer base to look & pray for that new game...somewhere else.
Why is it the end of the world when HT limits a few planes out of the 75 available, but it's no problem when one side has the numbers to completely crush another?
It's not like the limiter unfairly picks on one side.... it only does anything when one side is being friggin unfair to the other two sides (by having too many numbers).
Again, if you want to fly a particular plane, just switch sides. If not, there're close to 75 other planes with your name on em.
(my "you"s are collective, not just to TBolt A-10)
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Originally posted by meddog
Stop your whinning. HT made alot of changes to the game to appease all the furballers and I didn't complain. I didn't like it but I didn't complain. Now they're trying to even the playing field by countering not just a minor imbalance but a great big worm hole of one and yet you complain because you can't fly with your 50:1 odds with your favorite perk planes. But I guess your just like all the other selfish, self centered, it's all about me individuals who only care about them selves and not anyone elses game play or how you could careless if some one else quits because he's tired of being ganged raped 24/7 just as long as your game play isn't changed. And what do I hear from your side? "Get over it", "change sides" or "don't let the door hit you on the way out". so i guess its CYA
you dont represent "everyone else" only "yourself" and a few others:lol
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Originally posted by GuyNoir
Again, if you want to fly a particular plane, just switch sides. If not, there're close to 75 other planes with your name on em.
(my "you"s are collective, not just to TBolt A-10)
GuyNoir! :)
Let me explain one thing that a lot of people (including HT) seem to keep missing...a lot of these players have been flying for a team...with friends...for years -- YEARS. We don't just pick up our bags and "switch sides." End of story. There is no further discussion about it.
So, please, quit suggesting that we "switch sides." That just isn't how things work whether you like it or not. :lol
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Originally posted by meddog
i thought I did. I said you were selfish , self centered and all about me. I'll agree with what was said above. If you don't like the plane set change sides.
change sides and run smack into the same thing :lol
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
Let me explain one thing that a lot of people (including HT) seem to keep missing...a lot of these players have been flying for a team...with friends...for years -- YEARS. We don't just pick up our bags and "switch sides." End of story. There is no further discussion about it.
Yeah .... HT knows nothing about having flown with friends for years. :rolleyes:
But guess what .... you're being prejudiced ....prejudiced .... over the silliest ..... silliest .... thing.
1: There's good people .... good players ... wonderful guys ... on every side. If you'd switch for a night you might just discover that. Take your bloody squad with ya. Switch. Meet new people. Mingle. And fly your Lala. Or .... maybe you and your squad will help some of your old friends be able to fly the Lala in the old neighborhood. La la la.
2: You're in a rut .... a rut .... get out of the rut .....
Meet new friends. Kill old friends. If they're really your friends they won't mind. It's not like it has to be permanent anyhow. It's not like once you go over to another side you're never allowed to go back.
Just ... click the ruby slippers three times (after the 12 hours are up) .... and you're there, Dorothy. :D
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Tonight (Sunday), I logged on just as the map was changing after the reset.
Since the Rooks were taking up right where they left off (beating up the Bish), I figured I'd take a P-38 and try to beat the crowd to A62. But alas, the ENY cut-off eliminated the P-38. Oh well, no big deal, a P-51B will do just fine. Next sortie, I took up an La-5FN (which is no slouch) for a defensive sortie. My next flight was in one of my favorites, the F4F-4. I later manned a field ack and shore battery. So, generally speaking, I spent my 90 minutes largely doing what I would normally be doing, and flying what I would be flying even if the ENY limiter wasn't in place.
I have 15,000+ perks I never use. In fact, I rarely fly anything with an ENY below 15. It's far more challenging and thereby entertaining to fly the lesser aircraft. However, let me clarify that the P-51B and La-5FN are not lesser aircraft. Indeed, the P-51B may be the best middle-altitude fighter in the game. Likewise, the La-5FN is about 95% of the La-7, being a bit slower and having only two cannon. But, it's still a monster on the deck. The La-5FN seems to hide its E well, often surprising people who figured they were safe.
There are other really good fighters that are not generally effected by the ENY limits. F6F-5, 109G-10, 109G-2, Fw 190A-5, Typhoon and Yak-9U being some of them. For Jabo work, the P-47D-40 is without peer. No B-17s? What's wrong with the B-26? Adequate bomb load, faster and seemingly just as durable. I heard some cranking about the Spitfires not being available. Try the Seafire, which gives up little if anything to the Spitfire V. Then there are the Wildcats, flying tanks with first-rate maneuverability.
I can understand that it's frustrating not to have your favorite ride available. Nonetheless, there's satisfaction in beating the late-war fighters in older, less capable fighters. I guess it all boils down to what one considers fun. Hell, I think it's fun to fly an SBD to 20k and bounce enemy raids (although I haven't done that recently). ;) But, if you are unhappy about the ENY side balancing scheme, call or write to HTC and voice your objection. You pay your money, so you can have an opinion.
As for me, I find it acceptable, if not an ideal solution.
My regards,
Widewing
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Gettin' better by the day:eek:
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I have nothing against you, TBolt A-10, I swear :)
Yeah, I know it's not a good fix to leave your friends and mates to go to another side.
As a knight, I have seen a lot of new faces coming in from other teams though (like the AK's). I dunno how long they'll be around, but it seems like people are starting to loosen up about country loyalty and are starting to help the numbers balance.
Who knows, maybe you'll make more friends by flying with a new country every now and then. ;)
(Uh oh, looks like others said what I've said while I've been typing this)
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Originally posted by Widewing
Tonight (Sunday), I logged on just as the map was changing after the reset.
There are other really good fighters that are not generally effected by the ENY limits. F6F-5, 109G-10, 109G-2, Fw 190A-5, Typhoon and Yak-9U being some of them. For Jabo work, the P-47D-40 is without peer. No B-17s? What's wrong wih the B-26?
Wide,
As you stated, you logged on VERY late in the game & basically missed all the action. But, had you been present (or, at least read my first post), you would've known that the B-26 was ALSO grounded in Rookland.
I wish we had a list of all the grounded aircraft. It was a loooooooong list. :lol And, people were pissed about it. :mad:
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the seafair and the b 26 have been getting cut off too Wide .
You know i fly the seafair alot . the other night we had about 75% of the planes cut off and the numbers were like 39,70,100.
eny cut off was at 37 . I spent alot of time in the d-11 which doesnt bother me at all on the mindano map . but it didnt leave much choice . (i think were gonna have to balance the squads again or perhaps add anouther country or 2 or something )
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4510.
don't pay for $15 a month. note how you aren't able to get in the arena. OMFG I CAN'T GET IN THE ARENA!!!!1. now if you could get in a chat different story. as for the 70 planes. you're 70 planes different country. that still makes 70 planes.
As for those of you who say, but wait i have online friends that i love to fly with. for all you know your online friend could be a child molester. the only reason i meet a few people at an airshow once is because i know they are all good people.
Mr. Funked was a very reasonable person when it came to the CA minicon. i know airhead is an old fart, who loves air planes.
as for those of you who meet people at cons, thats great, but not everyone can be trusted.
just imo on why people shouldn't change countries because they have "online" friends.
Mr. Dracon, those pilots instead flying around in the ubber monsters that you can go all day and not have a worry in the world, are being forced to learn to fly a different early plane. after a few weeks of adjusting to a new plane from early war, i think there skill drasticly increase over time. in the long run you will get extremely good pilots teaching the newer ones on how to fly your late war uber monster to its best. the ma would become more fun. you will see less "im suciding yaaaaaaaaa!" fights where the so called furballers kill everyone. and more 1 on 1 fights and much more and maybe more trash over 1. It will encourage old more expirence players to teach newbie's how to deal with the extremely good late war or early war planes you will see.
i would truly look forward to that day. They will be cherried, but yet at the same time learning defensive ACM.
btw flame away because i know i am.:o
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Originally posted by Arlo
But guess what .... you're being prejudiced ....prejudiced .... over the silliest ..... silliest .... thing.
1: There's good people .... good players ... wonderful guys ... on every side. If you'd switch for a night you might just discover that. Take your bloody squad with ya. Switch. Meet new people. Mingle. And fly your Lala. Or .... maybe you and your squad will help some of your old friends be able to fly the Lala in the old neighborhood. La la la.
2: You're in a rut .... a rut .... get out of the rut .....
Meet new friends. Kill old friends. If they're really your friends they won't mind. It's not like it has to be permanent anyhow. It's not like once you go over to another side you're never allowed to go back.
Just ... click the ruby slippers three times (after the 12 hours are up) .... and you're there, Dorothy. :D
:rofl
Arlo & GuyNoir,
1) First off, I'm not prejudiced. I respect you guys, the Nits & the Bish. In fact, throughout this holiday weekend, Arlo & I have gone back and forth in a couple threads, and I've grown to enjoy his presence.
2) I (or, even the Rooks for that matter), am not stuck in a rut. In fact, I believe that it's safe to say that we are happy to be exactly where we are.
I come to the BBS to "make new friends."
Cheers,
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ENY should probably never get above 30 for the obvious customer relations reasons. Assuming that this stuff stays in place, of course.
If you think HT is making uber-bucks from this, you probably never worked at a game company.
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
the seafair and the b 26 have been getting cut off too Wide .
You know i fly the seafair alot . the other night we had about 75% of the planes cut off and the numbers were like 39,70,100.
eny cut off was at 37 . I spent alot of time in the d-11 which doesnt bother me at all on the mindano map . but it didnt leave much choice . (i think were gonna have to balance the squads again or perhaps add anouther country or 2 or something )
Well, an ENY cut-off of 37 is a bit high. Clearly, there should be a max value, not be exceeded. Perhaps 20 or 25 would be high enough.
So, if it is very early in the morning and 12 Bish, 4 Rooks and 3 Knits are flying... Yeah, there needs to be a maximum in place or the plane set dwindles to almost nothing.
However, even a cut-off of 37 wouldn't limit me much. The Wildcats are still available, so are the 109F-4, 109G-2, 109G-6, C.205, F4U-1, Ki-61, Mossy, P-40s and the D-11 Jug. Not much of a selection, but I fly all of these anyway, regardless of player numbers or ENY limits.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
ENY should probably never get above 30 for the obvious customer relations reasons. Assuming that this stuff stays in place, of course.
If you think HT is making uber-bucks from this, you probably never worked at a game company.
Which is a shame IMO, because they could !!
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im with widewing i to almost allways fly the odd craft
i think a cut off point should be 40 eny still alot of good planes with 40
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Stayed outta these threads for a while...but -
Leviathan is right - since the ENV thing was introduced the numbers have been fairly even. To say its not working because of one night is ridiculous.
Not going into the change sides etc, all been said already.
B17Skull12 is also right - Your money pays for access to the arena, NOT to guarentee you can fly a particular plane. If anyone can find in the EULA that it says different.
Only thing different tonight - Our few Bish squads who normally go around porking decided to just have a fun night for a change. Or you wouldnt have had any troops within 50-75 miles of the front line. Plus the new reset criteria helped the reset come earlier than usual.
Widewing - I believe HT is going to set a minimum number of players at which the ENV kicks in. This will prevent the early morning low player number ENV limitation.
Said since the beginning, the ENV thing will take a while to balance things out, it's not a short term fix.
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20-25eny cut off wouldnt be so bad if we got our perk rides left on also .
or perhaps instead of a disablement of our fav rides a perk value comes into play for the planes under say 30 eny value .
say its a 30 eny value and the country has too many players and it will inpose a perk cost of 30 to fly .. just a thought .
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Leviathan is right - since the ENV thing was introduced the numbers have been fairly even. To say its not working because of one night is ridiculous.
The ENY limiter might *might* be working (somewhat) to help even the numbers (I haven't seen real proof that it's indeed helping). But, at what cost? A lot of ticked off customers, etc, etc.
If anything, I'd say the benefits of ENY-limiter are outweighed by the negatives in its current form.
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I was going to log tonite early...but then I saw the eny limiter was on the rise for the Rooks. So just for spite against the facist eny limiter I stayed on for awhile longer as did many other Rooks. Suprisingly we won the reset.....too funny. The eny limiter seems to have had the opposite effect than what was desired. Instead of rooks migrating to another country to fly "their" plane, they got pissed off, worked together better than they had in a long time, and totally demolished the Bish. It was a sight to see, what with limiter up to 30 for long periods of time. The eny limiter was a bad idea and does nothing to help even out the sides, tonight was further proof of that. Get rid of it and let the game right itself as it has in the past. Otherwise youre going to end up with a horde of Rooks that are proficient in the late models AND the early models and not less Rooks.
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Some people have suggested that Roscoroo, but I don't believe most would be happy with price that they should be at.
The current perk system/prices makes no sense. If a 262 at ENV 5 is 200, why should a Pony at ENV 6, or an LA7 at ENV 5 be free when there are higher ENV planes perked (Spit 14, F4U4 etc)?
Answer - because you'd get the same amount of whines about them being perked based on their ENV value.
The people (apart from you) who have suggested perk instead of (or in conjuction with) ENV disable mention 4-5 perks, max I had seen was 10.
How would people feel about being able to pay 160 perks for a Pony (based on ENV value) during ENV limitation?
Rhetorical question I guess, I know the answer.
Goobman - Unfortuneately the game hasnt sorted itself out, that is why HT made the change. This is one night, the first night in a long time it has been really unbalanced, so you can't say it isn't working.
TBolt - Whatever change HT made he was going to tick people off.
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Originally posted by Widewing
So, if it is very early in the morning and 12 Bish, 4 Rooks and 3 Knits are flying... Yeah, there needs to be a maximum in place or the plane set dwindles to almost nothing.
The ENY thingy doesn't kick in until the total arena population is 140+.
Zazen
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Goobman, the eny limiter isn't about reset. it is about an attempt at equalling numbers. resets still happen, but with the eny limiter you are giving the bish/knits a chance to fight back at the overwhelming horde. it is just keeping your large numbers down so in that sense yes it is working.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Goobman - Unfortuneately the game hasnt sorted itself out, that is why HT made the change. This is one night, the first night in a long time it has been really unbalanced, so you can't say it isn't working.
Kev, I havent seen a decrease on Sunday nights for the Rooks since the eny limiter inception. Mon-Sat nights seem to also be about the same. Our numbers haven't changed yet, and I seriously doubt they will. Myself and other Rooks will not switch sides. And as it has been said before.... a horde is a horde is a horde no matter what plane they're flying. Tonight was simply a turning point, expect to see more of it.
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Well I guess its time to get the Knit/Bish pork squads back up and running. No Rook troops or ord for 50-75 miles should be about right. Shame we can't still do it to your fuel also, but thats another story.
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wtg, rooks
you could reset us with C.202s, TBMs and C47 with those #s, 2 vs 1, most of the evening.
Plus you have the best quality players now,
How to fight you guys with all our new players ?! Lot of bish moved to rookland for this reason.
We have 3-4 bish most of the time escorting our CVs in PTs, 6-7 sectors away from enemy base, if they see enemy they disapear like cockroachs ,
or are driving tanks for hours, 25 miles to enemy base without spawn point
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Goobman, the eny limiter isn't about reset. it is about an attempt at equalling numbers. resets still happen, but with the eny limiter you are giving the bish/knits a chance to fight back at the overwhelming horde. it is just keeping your large numbers down so in that sense yes it is working.
B17skull12, reference my previous post to Kev. WE, the Rooks, are not going to switch sides. The Rook hordes, that so many seem to whine about, are not going to go away....Eny limiter or not. I would suggest the other 2 countries spend more time on tactics or strategies that are effective in fighting a larger force instead of whining about equal numbers. I refuse to allow the eny limiter force me into a decision to switch sides that I normally wouldn't make. To that end, not only am I not going to switch sides but I will fly more than I normally did before eny limiter was put into place. That will be my form of protest until I decide where I will spend my $15 in the future.
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Whats so funny is that if people think by flying more it is somehow proving the ENV limiter isn't/doesn't work, boy they are in a for a surprise.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Well I guess its time to get the Knit/Bish pork squads back up and running. No Rook troops or ord for 50-75 miles should be about right. Shame we can't still do it to your fuel also, but thats another story.
So this is different than before Eny limiter? Seems like we're back in the same situation. My squad was originally Bish. We moved to Rooks a few months back. Do you know why? Because Bish refuse to organize. Most are content with vulching fields while their goon dies next to an untouched town. I know because I was that goon most of the time. Eny limiter isnt the answer. Bish and Knights flying smarter and organizing their force is the answer to a larger enemy. The Rooks did it before when they were the low man on the totem pole. Most of this "eny limiter" talk smacks of jealousy and laziness. Getting your butts beat? Then do something about it! Don't expect someone to always come in and do it for you. When I flew Bish, I never once complained about Rook numbers, even on Sunday nights. My squad and I buckled our belts and fought harder and smarter and we could usually get the best of the enemy. It never even entered my mind to ask HT to "even" up the sides for us. Thats a weak mans way out.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Whats so funny is that if people think by flying more it is somehow proving the ENV limiter isn't/doesn't work, boy they are in a for a surprise.
Lets see.....eny limiter is suppose to force me to either switch sides or log off in frustration. Hmmm since I'm not going to do either, apparently it isnt working.
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The Rooks did it before when they were the low man on the totem pole.
What people seem to conveniently overlook is that is was also helped by a lot of Bish and Knit squads going to the Rooks to even out the numbers.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
What people seem to conveniently overlook is that is was also helped by a lot of Bish and Knit squads going to the Rooks to even out the numbers.
Yup and they eventually did it without any interference by HTC
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I'm not going to get Hot n' Heavy into the ENY debate here but I want to point out a few things. The core problem and misjudgement on HTC's part is very simple. HTC was banking on a substantial number of players being more loyal to a specific aircraft than to their friends of years to over a decade in many of instances. Now, anyone who has been WW2 sim'ing for over a decade could undoubtedly kick serious bellybutton in a Cheerios box if it had wings and some guns. The limiter is in actuality having only two effects:
1) Pissing alot of people off and not just Rooks, Bishops have similiarly high ENY penalties Monday nights, Knights Thursdays.
2) Causing people to simply log-off and do something else when penalized.
Effect #1 does not change the balance of anything it just makes paying customers unhappy (major business blunder).
Effect #2 does help balance in a limited fashion but anyone who is so dissatisfied they'd rather log-off than switch countries or fly a lesser plane probably isn't going to pony up his subscription fee come renewal time either (business blunder).
Aces High is a product, to be sure, but it is also a 'private club' of sorts. We pay a membership fee to fly and chat with long-time friends. Aces High is unique and set-apart from other FPS's because its basis is historical and therefore tends to attract alot more adults, hobbyists and enthusiasts of the genre and subject-matter that have inter-woven relationships extending far further back in time than AH itself. Your typical 40'ish adult with a career and family has only so much discretionary free-time. We choose to spend that limited free-time playing Aces High because of a love for the subject matter, of flying generally and because of a deep repore with and loyalty to our old friends. We are not particularly interested in 'meeting new people' or 'mingling' as Arlo suggests. We know everyone, at least in a cursory way, through inter-country chat, personal experience/interactions and this message board. All we want to do is to spend time with our friends enjoying our collective hobby together and we don't mind paying whatever for that priviledge.
This whole ENY thing was put into place because of alot of 'pissing and moaning' (and cancellations I presume and hope as doing something this drastic just because of whiners would be rediculously stupid on HTC's part) about Rooks' Sunday RJO as it continued past Rooks' period in the numerical bucket (we were never given a reprieve from this by HTC we dug our own way out over time and with alot of concerted effort). We haven't had an RJO since the weekend the ENY thingy was introduced. I have even noticed several Rook squadrons moved their squadnight off of Sundays to help to ameliorate the situation. If anyone pays attention to the average roster numbers you would realize our numbers this Sunday were not actually above the average prime-time numbers for any country for any night of the week. The only difference was Knights and Bishops had far fewer people than they typically have during prime-time evening hours. This is not something I think Rooks, or anyone, should be punished for either by being forced to switch countries or by having their options curtailed. The problem is not Rooks numbers on Sundays, we no longer even attempt to field the 300+ we used to, the problem is Bishops and Knights are NOT playing on Sundays, exacerbating their own plight that would actually be non-existant if they simply fielded the same numbers they do the other 6 nights of the week.
That being said, as far as I am concerned, personally, the ENY thingy makes little difference to me, only one of the 4 aircraft I fly is under ENY 20, and I have an affinity for several aircraft with ENY ratings of 35+. I can kick just as much bellybutton in a P47D11 as I can a P51D, it's not going to have an appreciable effect on my impact upon the enemy, nor anyone else with my experience and skills. What it does is make me feel an even stronger bond, comraderie and sympathy toward those also suffering this form of 'persecution' for no other reason than simply having superior co-operation and country character appeal. This has the net effect of making myself and people like me even less likely to switch countries for any 'altruistic' reasons. HTC and the rest of you need to realize it's not about the 'planes' we fly that makes us Rooks, Bishops or Knights, it's about the 'people' we fly with and the relationships we've built with those people over the years.
I come from an AW background that lasted from 1992 to 2001? when EA killed it. Never, ever, not even once was any kind of 'balancer' of any sort put into effect in the entire 10+ year history of AW which had far, far, far more subscribers than HTC ever dreamed of having. There was ebb and flow, there was natural shifting by those who liked the underdog side, there were the fair weather flyers that liked the advantaged side, but in the final analysis the numbers always basically evened out in the long-term using the exact same 3-country system. A heavy-handed approach that attempts to coerce people to not fly with those they would otherwise choose to fly with just builds resentment, dissatisfaction and a general apathy toward those that impose it. (business blunder)
The argument HTC came up with for this imposition was that no other FPS games allow complete, unbridled freedom of choice as to side selection. Well, that may or may not be true but, those games are largely populated by children, with no social bonds or long-term interpersonal relationships and no common affinity for anything in particular other than video gaming generally. They have no real community per se, they have no con's, they usually do not even have a central message board or chat room interface and if they do it is nowhere near as active and comprehensive as this one is. You are comparing apples to oranges, this is not 'like' other FPS's and should not be dealt with in a similiar fashion. Other FPS are only popular for a short period then quickly die out as the next best, greatest FPS is released and takes its place, unlike AH and AW before it which enjoy an incredibly high-fidelity, loyal and long-term customer base. Does HTC REALLY want AH to become like every other FPS? I think NOT!...We are adults for the most part, hobbyists, arm-chair historians and professionals with only one common desire, to enjoy our 'private club' and the company of our long-time friends with WW2 Air Combat as the back-drop.
Peace out!
Zazen
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OK then, so why isn't the reverse happening.
Try to stay away from the country (chess piece) loyalty BS we all hear about.
Our squad has flown all countries and still have great buds in all three.
Zazen, you dug your way out with help from squads who changed sides to balance the unequallness out.
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Lets see.....eny limiter is suppose to force me to either switch sides or log off in frustration. Hmmm since I'm not going to do either, apparently it isnt working.
You rooks can stay on as long as you want, but you won't be able to fly your la7's and such if you do... :lol
That's what the limiter does. If you want to be unfair to the other teams, you will be handicapped so that they have more of a chance.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
OK then, so why isn't the reverse happening.
Try to stay away from the country (chess piece) loyalty BS we all hear about.
Our squad has flown all countries and still have great buds in all three.
You need to elaborate more on your question. I'm not sure what your'e asking
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Simple - When the Rooks were in the hole, Knight and Bish squads moved across to balance numbers out.
It wasn't a Rooks did all it by themselves which seems to be the common misconception out there.
Simple question then - why isn't the reverse happening?
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Simple - When the Rooks were in the hole, Knight and Bish squads moved across to balance numbers out.
It wasn't a Rooks did all it by themselves which seems to be the common misconception out there.
Simple question then - why isn't the reverse happening?
It was happening, slowly. It just wasn't happening fast enough for HT and the whiners. Like Zazen says, eventually the game balances itself out. It did in AW and its done it in AH. The eny limiter, if anything, will make it slower to happen. Now there are a bunch of pissed off players who take offense to being forced or coerced to switch. They will not switch now just for spite.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
OK then, so why isn't the reverse happening.
Try to stay away from the country (chess piece) loyalty BS we all hear about.
Our squad has flown all countries and still have great buds in all three.
Zazen, you dug your way out with help from squads who changed sides to balance the unequallness out.
Rooks were outnumbered by a vast margin 7 days a week 24 hours a day, it was an entirely different situation. I know from first hand experience how harsh this was, I was new and learned Aces High during the Rooks' most desperate period (my 2 year AH anniversary is today), talk about a 'steep' learning curve...sheesh. Rooks do not consistantly outnumber anyone by even a statistically significant margin at any time except Sundays and even then only during a 3 or 4 hour window in the evening. The disparity on Sunday night is becoming less acute as we have not held an RJO and squadrons are moving their squadnights off Sundays to other nights of the week of their own volition to help ease the problem of generally Sunday-centric squadnights in Rookland which is simply a carry-over from our outnumbered period that out-lasted its usefullness.
I only recall a few entire squadrons switching en masse to Rooks , one stayed Rooks less than a full camp then went back to Bishops, another stayed Rooks but basically disbanded shortly thereafter its members going to the four winds. Some individuals switched as those who enjoy helping the underdogs always do, but this is not what changed Rook fortunes most profoundly. Superior organization (out of sheer necessity) is what finally brought us out of the bucket and continues to make Rookland appealing to fly for to this day. People were naturally switching to even things out as they always do, as they did for over a decade in AW, and always will. It's simply a fundamental manifestation of human nature.
This heavy-handed approach actually makes people NOT want to switch whereas they very well might have before. People don't like to feel 'coerced' into doing something, it makes them even more resistant, it's just human nature. I think what happened is HTC heard all the Sunday RJO whines, lost a few customers and hit the 'panic button'. All that was really required was for the natural course of human nature being allowed to unfold. This just takes a little more patience and fore-sightedness than HTC apparently has.
Zazen
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Try thinking harder Zazen -
I know our squad and the AKs just to name a few, switched, then left AFTER the numbers swung the other way. So that makes at least 4 now, doesnt it, and I know theres more out there.
So please give some credit where credit is due, enough of this superior organization self ego stroking, without help you may well would still be in the bucket.
Any other squads who switched care to chime in here?
Re-read your post about your squad going from Bish to Rook Goobman. What was wrong with Knits?
Instead of helping the problem, you became part of the problem.
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Ohh and by the way I'm one of those people. I use to talk this game up to my friends and co-workers and get them to come and join. Not now. Any advertising I do now is going to be on the other end of the spectrum.
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Originally posted by Goobman
So this is different than before Eny limiter? Seems like we're back in the same situation. My squad was originally Bish. We moved to Rooks a few months back. Getting your butts beat? Then do something about it! It never even entered my mind to ask HT to "even" up the sides for us. Thats a weak mans way out.
almost[/i] as weak as switching to the side with the #'s.
man, my irony meter just pegged out.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10 But, we STILL made it happen tonight.
[size=8]WTG ROOKS![/size] :) [/B]
Gee, I wonder how that happened. :D
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I think what happened is HTC heard all the Sunday RJO whines, lost a few customers and hit the 'panic button'.
Zazen
I think the Panic button part of this statement is alot closer to the truth as the eny idea to me seems more of a kneejerk reaction then anything the was seriously thought through.
My feelings and I've said so right from the beginning was it wasnt gonna work. At least not to the extent it was intended to.
Your right. people who are loyal to the rooks are not going to change sides no matter what the eny system is.
And the vast majority of rooks are loyal to the rooks same as they are in the other countries.
It wont matter what the eny is as I have said all along and will keep on saying " a Horde is a horde is a horde" 200 of anything is still a hell of alot of aircraft to deal with. Be they dweebfires, La7's & P51Ds
or P51bs ,Jugs and mossies
Now I'll be the first to say that I hate the horde and thought something had to be done because its gotten to the point of being rediculous. And quite frankly I wouldnt want the knights to be the horde any more then I do the rooks.
What the ultimate solution is Im not sure. but its more then obvious that this aint it.
Now Im sure someone is bound to say that the rooks even with numbers have had less then their typical success as of late.
But what they would be failing to recognise is the fact that as last sunday for example the only reason the rooks werent as successful against the Knights is because there were a handful of us that were going around the better part of the night porking all the barracks at rook bases.
I know I myself was porking them to a depth of two bases deep.
Even though there are alot of knights fighting. they spent entirely too much time fighting over their own bases or just furballing.
Had we not porked troops at so many bases. I have no doubt that the steamroll would have been on
I've seen you make another good point also.
I cant say for bish but I know as a knight that the knight teamwork can be pretty poor at times. Often to the point of nonexistance.
There are some who co-operate yes. but not nearly enough to make a difference
and by teamwork Im not just talking about the wannabe Napoleons. Im talking about working well together and helping one another out.
I've said before I dont see the rooks as a whole pilot for pilot as being any better quality wise then either of the other two teams.
And I still wholeheartedly beleive that
But they do one thing,Even when outnumbered you dont see enough of on the other two teams. And that is help one another.
Again there are some yes. But not nearly enough.
To get back on topic. WTG rooks on proving me right on the eny thing. Im sure you will continue to do so.
Does something need to be done with the rediculous horde? Yea
Is the answer to it eny? Without a shadow of a doubt No
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I swear to God Ill go back to War Birds, I mean it!!
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And one other thing, I spent quite a bit of money to upgrade my system to run AH2 just to run into this pile of crap!!! Complaining is just the best, I love it!! I hope Air Warriors is Radeon compatable!!
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the only thing i have against this eny thing is when the ONLY P38 is not enabled. it kills me to 51 squadrons....um... not being happy about not being able to fly the D model. they can fly the B model. I wish my squad had that choice. There is only one model 38 to choose from, if they put another one in, i would fly it when the other was disabled, and i would be just fine with this whole thing.
~S~
these 2 cents wont get ya crap.
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Just had to enter my 2 cents above the normal $14.95 a month here. My squad and I have been rook since day one many moons ago.
What irritates me the most about this ENY limiter, I often hear from other countries, "Well, you rooks brought this on yourselves." What a cload of BS.
I remember when rooks were outnumbered for a long time a couple years ago. That forced rooks to start acting more coordinated ala RJO. Yes, some squads migrated over to rooks to help balance, and I think that also played a small part.
Since the ENy limiter has been enacted, I have been trying to get my squad to test the waters in other countries, and have met with great resistance. Last night, a few of us switched over to the Knights.
What a debacle! Not only did that create a small rift in our squad, but I found myself more in private chat with rooks.
Now, there are good people spread out over the three countries. It would not be hard getting used to new people in other countries. Saying all that, I think I will be going back to rookland.
Last night, the numbers were out of whack, but you can't blame it all on the rooks. I flew primetime last night, and at no time did I see a huge number of rooks. In fact, it looked like the rook numbers may have only been about 20-35 more than normal prime time. Last time I checked the roster, and this is just an estimate, but the numbers looked about 97 bishop, 140 something rooks, and 90 knights. You know what that tells me?
The other two countries are not doing their job by balancing. I bet a lot of knights and bishop are not logging on Sunday nights because of the fallacy that they will be gang groped by rooks.
Here's the quick fix for you other tow countries out there:
Stop whining about the number disparity. It's false and all you are doing is filling your countrymates ears with negativity.
Organize yourselves better, nuff said. Only saw 2 advertisements for missions last night...what a waste of resources.
This ENY thing just ain't working. I think someone was influenced by a couple of red faced boys that were more worried about their scores than their country getting ganged.
So, next time I hear that we rooks deserved this, let me point the finger right back at that person and say that they deserve this as equally.
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Originally posted by jbnace12
And one other thing, I spent quite a bit of money to upgrade my system to run AH2 just to run into this pile of crap!!! Complaining is just the best, I love it!! I hope Air Warriors is Radeon compatable!!
:D Think you might find you a few years too late for Air Warrior.
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Yes, you guys are right, this ENY sistem psst off lot of players, What for all this ENY ?! for 3-4 hours of rook high #s, once /week sunday evening!??
Only small maps can get reset in 2-3 hours of high #s.
We got reset, but was lot of fun last evening @ A30,
i killed 59 rooks in ME163B.
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Originally posted by ghi
Yes, you guys are right, this ENY sistem psst off lot of players, What for all this ENY ?! for 3-4 hours of rook high #s, once /week sunday evening!??
Only small maps can get reset in 2-3 hours of high #s.
We got reset, but was lot of fun last evening @ A30,
i killed 59 rooks in ME163B.
Exactly, Ghi.
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I've said this before about the lack of team work of the knights and I don't mean furballers-v-strators per se I mean just general overal situational awareness of what is going on the map. But everyone just tells me it's their 15 bucks so shut up but here are some things I have noticed.
1. The more people you have online than anyone else the more your able to do, not just in a horde mentality but in the ablility to provide mid and high altitiude base and CV defense, vehecle spawn camping and etc.
2. Now I don't think this has anything to do with the numbers thing but one thing I have noticed about the knights is that when one of our base flashes, it doesn't seem to me that any one cares to find out and investigate as to what is making it flash in the 1st place or when or they see a lone aircraft heading in to our territory and just ignore it because they are too timid to leave the knight horde.
It seems that when ever a rook base starts to flash, it's not too long until you see some one upping to investigate and defend
3. The rooks and the Bish for that matter have finally figured out that one of the key tactics to beat the other side is to stay on the enemy's flanks and not so much the middle. The Knights seem to be hell bent on congregating 75% of its forces in the middle in an effort to split the rooks and the bishops in half allowing them to concetrate 100% of their forces against us and we have to split our forces fighting two fronts.
4. The rooks and bish have also figured out that it's more important to deny the enemy resources to wage war and take bases than it is to worry about what they will be able to use once the base is captured. That is what rearming and base resuppy is for. That's why you will see rooks and bish pork troops, FH's and Ammo and the knights don't. The knights are too worried about what resourses they will have left once the base is captured than doing what is need to accomplish a mission which leads to the so called 4 hour base captures.
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Originally posted by killnu
the only thing i have against this eny thing is when the ONLY P38 is not enabled. it kills me to 51 squadrons....um... not being happy about not being able to fly the D model. they can fly the B model. I wish my squad had that choice. There is only one model 38 to choose from, if they put another one in, i would fly it when the other was disabled, and i would be just fine with this whole thing.
~S~
these 2 cents wont get ya crap.
Interesting thing about the P-38 being disabled. I notice often that I get a message "Planes with an ENY of LESS than 15 are not available". To me, that means a plane with an ENY of 15 should be available, but a plane with an ENY of 14 should not. Now mind you, that's minor, but still an annoyance.
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this may be the most pathetic thread in the history of this BBS, I can hardly wait for this baby to get punted in 2 years.
If the Rooks only have dominant numbers for 3-4 hours once a week on Sunday, why are so many people threatening to quit over it.
And how come only Rook players post about the ENY when the ENY has enabled against all 3 countries many times.
2 options here:
1. The Rooks are vastly understating how often they outnumber the arena and therefore feel the ENY much more frequently.
2. Though they'll never admit it, the "organized" Rook players realize their effectiveness does suffer when they don't have BOTH La7s and 3-1 odds.
Truly a classic thread.
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Originally posted by Hornet
this may be the most pathetic thread in the history of this BBS, I can hardly wait for this baby to get punted in 2 years.
If the Rooks only have dominant numbers for 3-4 hours once a week on Sunday, why are so many people threatening to quit over it.
And how come only Rook players post about the ENY when the ENY has enabled against all 3 countries many times.
2 options here:
1. The Rooks are vastly understating how often they outnumber the arena and therefore feel the ENY much more frequently.
2. Though they'll never admit it, the "organized" Rook players realize their effectiveness does suffer when they don't have BOTH La7s and 3-1 odds.
Truly a classic thread.
Ghi is a Bish... read his post about 5 posts ^UP^.
Zazen
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This thread is a joke (and Hornet is right). Try this one, it contains alot more valuable information:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=129420 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=129420)
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Originally posted by Goobman
I was going to log tonite early...but then I saw the eny limiter was on the rise for the Rooks. So just for spite against the facist eny limiter I stayed on for awhile longer as did many other Rooks. Suprisingly we won the reset.....too funny. The eny limiter seems to have had the opposite effect than what was desired. Instead of rooks migrating to another country to fly "their" plane, they got pissed off, worked together better than they had in a long time, and totally demolished the Bish. yaddayaddarantfoametc .............
You really ARE a goob, man. ;)
You were gonna log for the night but you saw a chance to screw your fellow rooks out of some rides so you stayed on and twiddled your fingers? Then you got the gall to make a big deal over the rooks "winning the war" anyway? Heh ... you're too much.
" .... as did many other Rooks."
What .... did you guys get together on squad channel and go "huhuhu .... we'll show THEM .... huhuhu .... we'l make every rook as pissed off as we are ... huhuhu .... wait a sec .... look .... there's rooks that don't care .... LOOK ... WE WON! WE WON!
Quick eveyone (the 20 or so odd rooks that have had a wet diaper since the eny limit was imposed) ... there's GOT to be a way we can put a bad spin on this!!!!!"
That's as dumb as "Ah will naht change frum Rookland, evah evah. Rule Rooklandia! Fly for ahnother side? Unthinkable!"
Well .... you showed us!
(Opposite effect? Well ... there's a tard factor to most things that defies logic, I suppose)
p.s. Yeah .... I know ... this post has a very limited shelflife.
:lol
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I'm noticing a trend by those who cannot formulate an intelligent, articulate response. They all type something like this....
"This thread sucks! You guys suck!!!"
:rolleyes:
Zazen
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Indeed, people don't like to be forced to changes sides. Everyone on the mailing list I'm on has voiced the opinion that they'd rather "fight than switch" to another country. The freelancers may move around, but the core groups in the various countries may be more solidly entrenched now as a result of ENY than before.
What I found most interesting last night was that I saw more check-6 calls and better cohession than I'd seen on any Sunday before. Being forced into "inferior" rides means teamwork is more important and it would appear that Rooks are adapting to this.
Of course, the same could be said for having to fight outnumbered. The best way to cope with a disadvantage in this game is through teamwork. I'll let you all connect the dots.
For all those Rook squads contemplating a move because of Sunday night's ENY kick in ... just *try* the P-51B, La-5, Mosi, Yak-9U, Hurri II, or 190A-5 (whichever closest matches your usual ride and/or mission profile) for one Sunday first.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Indeed, people don't like to be forced to changes sides. Everyone on the mailing list I'm on has voiced the opinion that they'd rather "fight than switch" to another country. The freelancers may move around, but the core groups in the various countries may be more solidly entrenched now as a result of ENY than before.
What I found most interesting last night was that I saw more check-6 calls and better cohession than I'd seen on any Sunday before. Being forced into "inferior" rides means teamwork is more important and it would appear that Rooks are adapting to this.
Of course, the same could be said for having to fight outnumbered. The best way to cope with a disadvantage in this game is through teamwork. I'll let you all connect the dots.
Bingo!!
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About 30 minutes before I logged off last night, the ENY limit was right around 18.
I was listening to a couple of guys complaining that they couldn't get P-51Ds and that it was a shame that the best Jabo wasn't available.
Best Jabo? Hardly the case. Let's see, the F4U-1D can carry the same load-out. How about the P-47D-40? This thing can carry 2k in bombs, 10 rockets and a drop tank or another 500 lb bomb. Even the P-47D-25 can bring more than 2k to the party. Then there's the Typhoon, Mossy and Me 110G-2.
I suggested those. The reply was revealing. "I don't like those, they're too slow." In other words, "I can't run like hell after I drop the bombs."
It's a mindset.... Bomb and run, bomb and run ad nauseum. It's not unlike the good sticks who are addicted to a "super-fighter". They run up impressive scores, and they have good skills. They just lack the confidence to do it in a lesser aircraft. I envy the guys who can fly anything from a P-40B to the 262 and score well in either. I'd rather fly a little of everything than the same old ride night after night. For me, that's really dull.
As I said before, I like flying the slugs. I like the challenge of fighting the hotrods in a slow flying, bad climbing, under-gunned iron dog. You don't get a lot of kills, and assists abound because you can't catch anything. But, it's fun trying.
Flying the F4F-4 can be frustrating. You barely get to a fight before the Goon does. The fast cannon birds steal your kills left and right. That's alright, because I can at least practice kill-shootering teammates who shoot their hizookas over my shoulder. Some sorties I kill as many Rooks as I do enemy... LOLOL That'll teach those kill hordin' weenies.....
Seriously tho, I have always enjoyed exploring the full spectrum of fun available by using the entire plane-set. I suspect others would too, if they just broaden their approach to the game.
I don't like the ENY limits either, mostly on the ground that it limits the choices you originally signed up for. Sort of like the local cable company changing the channel line-up and eliminating ones you wanted and adding 7 rap video channels instead; so I can watch more semi-illiterate idiots stuff a microphone down their gullets, gurgling out unintelligible phrases while their pants fall down below their XXXL basketball jerseys. But, I'll not let that ruin my enjoyment, I'd rather watch C-SPAN reruns of Jimmy Carter speeches.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Simple - When the Rooks were in the hole, Knight and Bish squads moved across to balance numbers out.
It wasn't a Rooks did all it by themselves which seems to be the common misconception out there.
Simple question then - why isn't the reverse happening?
That is a pile of CRAP. A couple of squads moved short term to help but the BIG change in numbers was because the Rooks worked their prettythanges off to make teamwork an important piece of the game. The RJO command also worked very hard to foster a feeling of good will between all Rooks and make it a desirable country to be a part of. It never happened overnight but over the course of a year so don't try to make it out that the nits and bish bailed the Rooks out because it it BS. Rooks turned the tide themselves with no whining to HT to change the rules.
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Very articulate post's zazen. I just cant read your's anymore cause they are too long. Get to the point man! lol j/k
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Very articulate post's zazen. I just cant read your's anymore cause they are too long. Get to the point man! lol j/k
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Originally posted by jaxxo
Very articulate post's zazen. I just cant read your's anymore cause they are too long. Get to the point man! lol j/k
Thank-You jaxxo, sorry about being long-winded, I often meander when trying to make a succinct point, I'm working on it...;) If you want the abridged version, Ghi's and DokGonzo's posts combined sums it up pretty nicely.
Zazen
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
What I found most interesting last night was that I saw more check-6 calls and better cohession than I'd seen on any Sunday before. Being forced into "inferior" rides means teamwork is more important and it would appear that Rooks are adapting to this.
Good for you, DoK! People need to see these details of additional benefit instead of screaming how broke the system is all the time. May need a bit of tweaking but .... it's bringing out some good and amazing results here. :)
p.s.
People:
1: Nobody is forcing you to switch!
2: Nobody is forcing you to have to fly certain planes!
3: You're just being forced to choose.
The choice is yours. :D
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2. Though they'll never admit it, the "organized" Rook players realize their effectiveness does suffer when they don't have BOTH La7s and 3-1 odds.
when have i, being a rook currently, said anything about not having a la7 or numbers in this thread? the blanket statements have got to go, sound like my wife, "you never do (insert some bs statement here)" , "you always do (insert yet another bs statement here)" . sigh, just give us an early model P38.:aok
~S~
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Originally posted by killnu
when have i, being a rook currently, said anything about not having a la7 or numbers in this thread? the blanket statements have got to go, sound like my wife, "you never do (insert some bs statement here)" , "you always do (insert yet another bs statement here)" . sigh, just give us an early model P38.:aok
~S~
Hehe, precisely KillnU! They're just taking the easy way out of a losing debate with one liner responses that amount to nothing more than unfounded gross over-generalizations that turn a blind eye to anything that categorically and substantively refutes their jaded point-of-view.
Zazen
P.S We should really get our wive's together, I bet they'd become instant friends! ;)
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Originally posted by killnu
sigh, just give us an early model P38.:aok
Belongs in "Planes and Vehicles" forum. And good luck. I'd like to see it. :aok
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Hehe, precisely KillnU, they're just taking the easy way out of a losing debate with one liner responses that amount to nothing more than unfounded gross over-generalizations turning a blind eye to anything that categorically refutes their jaded point-of-view.
Zazen
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Originally posted by DEMAN
That is a pile of CRAP. A couple of squads moved short term to help but the BIG change in numbers was because the Rooks worked their prettythanges off to make teamwork an important piece of the game. The RJO command also worked very hard to foster a feeling of good will between all Rooks and make it a desirable country to be a part of. It never happened overnight but over the course of a year so don't try to make it out that the nits and bish bailed the Rooks out because it it BS. Rooks turned the tide themselves with no whining to HT to change the rules.
Exactly Deman! Sing it brother! They have their hands over their ears but sing it anyways! They don't want to hear the 'do-it yourself over time thru hard work' solution to their problem, they want an insta-fix provided for them.
Zazen
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hehe arlo, maybe it should be there, but it fits this thread some. just giving my point of view, yes i said "my" point of view. :D i do speak for my squad as well tho.
Zaz, they prolly would. think most women like that tho.
~S~
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:mad: :mad: sorry but Iam going to give my 2 cents here, I have no grand plan to achieve glory or imortality in this arena, I just want to log on with my buddies and fly and die. But this plane limiter is very fustrating and in my eyes unecessary, I carry on the average 2000- 3000 perks, Just adjust the perk value on the aircraft but leave them availible, I would gladly pay 20 -30 perks for a 51D anytime the need arised to do so but too have a situation where You cannot even launch a osti or panzer is nuts.
I choose to fly ROOK yes but I made that choice long ago why must I change my country based on other players choices? Let us fly where we choose even if it costs too do so My 2 cents:(
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WTG Rooks.:aok
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The ironic thing about most of these "anti-ENY limitation" whinefest threads is the theme that invariably accompanies them about how the ENY limitation was imposed due to whining. I think it's some sort of whine test, myself. :D
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Arlo
"Forced to chose" is not a choice, that's a requirement.
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why is it a whine fest when people are only voicing their fustration in a community forum?:(
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why is it a whine fest when people are only voicing their fustration in a community forum?:(
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Ghi is a Bish... read his post about 5 posts ^UP^.
Zazen
a Bish friend.
rich.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by ROCrats
Arlo
"Forced to chose" is not a choice, that's a requirement.
ROC ... it's the only one. Your choice. Rules existed in the game from day one. Without them .... aNaRcHy! AnArChY, I tell ya!
I'm sure there's other types of rules that could have been coded and implemented.
(ROCrats logs on)
SERVER: ROOK side at limit
___ Fly Bishops
___ Fly Knights
___ Wait in cue for an opening
;)
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Originally posted by TheflyingElk
why is it a whine fest when people are only voicing their fustration in a community forum?:(
Back atcha. Why is months of voicing an opinion about numbers disparity a whinefest? (Bear in mind I didn't complain about either ... I'm just amused at the noise level here over minor things.)
:)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Hehe, precisely KillnU! They're just taking the easy way out of a losing debate with one liner responses that amount to nothing more than unfounded gross over-generalizations that turn a blind eye to anything that categorically and substantively refutes their jaded point-of-view.
Zazen
P.S We should really get our wive's together, I bet they'd become instant friends! ;)
So what exactly is the injustice being done? The ENY applies across all countries does it not?
It seems we have 2 competing arguments.
1. Learn to fight 3v1
2. Lean to fight w/o an La7
Rooks still have odds so the other 2 countries are forced to learn #1.
Since the ENY, HT has forced 1 side to learn #2. Apparently this is a grave injustice.
I'm neither for nor against the ENY, it doesn't affect me. What I find amusing is Rooks somehow manage to cobble together both a whine about losing airplanes and a message of superiority.
If I was fighting with 3v1 odds I certainly wouldn't be complaining on the BBS about losing a 51D or an La7. That's embarassing. Then to couple the admission of A/C dependence with a message of superior organization...that is what is laughable.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Good for you, DoK! People need to see these details of additional benefit instead of screaming how broke the system is all the time. May need a bit of teeking but .... it's bringing out some good and amazing results here. :)
Oh ... it definately needs tweeking ... that's a given. ENY should never get above 30 for starters, and once you cross 35 you take away just too many planes and it gets absurd. Detecting who is really disadvantaged also needs serious attention.
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Originally posted by Hornet
a Bish friend.
rich.
:rolleyes:
I don't know GHI from a hole in the ground, he posted of his own accord independant of me. This illustrates it isn't just a Rook problem, it effects everyone. People from every country have felt its effects and many disapprove vehemently.
Zazen
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Are the numbers usually a problem or are they not? If they're not, then the eny limiter hardly ever kicks in and you have no reason to complain.
Sounds like a lot of people are arguing that the numbers are only getting unbalanced on Rook Sundays. Well, the rooks usually outnumber the other sides by 2-1 on Sundays. Are you saying that that's not a problem?
You might pay 15 bucks a month, but the guys on the other side do to and it's not fair for you to have such uneven odds (even on one day a week).
The eny-limiter goes in effect for one reason only: you are being unfair to the other sides. Don't then complain about it being unfair to you.
(This's outside of the p38 problem where you only have one version of the plane to fly. In that case, I feel for you guys.)
Remember, though, that most of the uberplanes have pretty close counterparts in their earlier-war models, so even if you don't want to switch, you can still find a comparable ride.
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you people are silly.
you make me laugh.
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You can debate and try to define "why" the eny works or does not, but that is not the point.
The point is how a company responds to it's supporters. And EA made some massive mistakes cowtowing to the "let's play nice and fair" crowd. There is always going to be a winner and loser. Deal with it, life sucks at times. When "games" are built to try and even out the playing field so someones feelings don't get hurt, then they begin down a very bad and unending road.
You already have people that can't wait for the arena to be leveled out by limiting player numbers, since the eny didn't work last night. The eny as a "concept" is the problem here, not the eny itself. You simply cannot please everyone, and once you start trying to then you continually have to make adjustments. It wont end. Limit the number of players that can log in, but then most can play on Sunday and due to the limiter, some can't get in the arena. There's always going to be something that can be done next to "balance" the game, what next?
Frankly, I am not speaking from simply a participant point of view, I am speaking from a builder point of view. A small group of 7 people got together and built a game once EA took out MCO. I build the physics model. It's a classic car mod. We did it for free, as a Mod on an existing game, and our first offering netted us 6,000 downloads. Our next patch downloaded 5,000 hundred. Our most recent release of a new full build has taken us to over 11,000 copies.
We get people all the time complaining that one car handles better, or one car is faster on the drag strip.
Our Formal Reply has been and always will be, deal with it.
Life sucks, 70 Cuda handles different than a 65 Stang or 49 Merc. Get over it. Never would it occur to me to adjust the physics so all the cars performed the same but "looked kewl" Never would it occur to me to change the core foundation of my game so someone who chose to drive the 32 Coupe could keep up with a cobra for the sake of "fairness" it would Never occur to me to limit the cars on the nights when most were playing. Good Grief, when "most" are playing that's when the best or worst advertising happens, good idea to tick people off when "most" are watching and playing. Prime Time Negative Advertising, brilliant strategy.
What a total load of BS. The fact of the matter is in this "game" the planes are available and we should be allowed to fly them when we get on. I don't need to check with my schedule to make sure that other people are on at the same time, I don't want to have to make an appointment to fly so I can make sure my group can run a mission we plan with the planes we chose.
It has nothing to do with How the eny value is calculated, it is All about that there even has to Be an eny value to make a game fair!
I've been doing this a while, and have seen good products go bad by making bad game play decisions.
The Best way to deal with complaints and whines is to simply, as a game designer, say heres the planes, heres the maps, have at it. Once you start to "manage" gameplay then you cannot stop.
HT will spend more time on gameplay and balance than he will on new planesets, ya that's what I bargained for.
I don't log in to my recreation to be managed, I log in for my own reasons, and my own goals. Sometimes I just have this urge to grab a plate of spaghetti, take a flock of B-17s up for a long ride and chat with some friends while I eat, or catch up on some news while I alt out towards a target. Other times I feel like grabbing a P-38 and diving into a fight. And then there are the times that I want to log in with the squad and try a mission that we sat down and planned out the other day. Point is, I cannot schedule what I "feel" like doing, when I feel like doing it.
There used to be, since Air Warrior, this ability to do what you wanted when you felt like it, as it is now, there is a single minded focus to the game that forces gameplay on someone elses rules and objectives and this I did not sign up for, and will not continue with.
Damn shame really. But I can see by the replies in this thread that it's ok, there's alot out there that missed this point entirely, and the game I remember was gone along time ago anyway.
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Zazen , you don't know me, but i know your 37mm flak shells, got them in my my mouth, taste bad,
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Originally posted by Hornet
So what exactly is the injustice being done? The ENY applies across all countries does it not?
It seems we have 2 competing arguments.
1. Learn to fight 3v1
2. Lean to fight w/o an La7
Rooks still have odds so the other 2 countries are forced to learn #1. ...
Well ... only a couple nights a week. The rest of the week the undeclared truce seems to kick in and the other two countries enjoy superior odds without an ENY or perk penalty.
I can understand this, mind you. Someone hordes you and the natural tendency is to get even. But lets not pretend the truce isn't happening. You can just read the ebb and flow of this forum and see what gets complained about which days - or look at the bar-dar on most weeknights.
If ENY is here to stay then cap it at 30 and put in logic to better determine to whom it gets applied and when. Adding more "2nd line" Jabo planes (P-38D, P-39, P-40N, etc.) would also help ease the "pain."
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Originally posted by ROCrats
... Limit the number of players that can log in, but then most can play on Sunday and due to the limiter, some can't get in the arena. There's always going to be something that can be done next to "balance" the game, what next?...
If HT ever puts in code which limits the number of people who can log in based on odds, then that is a clear sign he has a massive brain aneurism.
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Originally posted by ROCrats
The point is how a company responds to it's supporters. And EA made some massive mistakes cowtowing to the "let's play nice and fair" crowd.
You keep bringing this up as an example when, in fact, it's not a valid one. AW doesn't exist today because EA bought it then attempted to run roughshod over the development of AW:IV, limiting resources and imposing unrealistic deadlines. Truth be told, they bought out the competition (one that offered a viable and affordable alternative to their planned mmog WWII war line) and starved it to death ... on purpose. It had absolutely nothing to do with Kesmai customer relations (the same people ran it after the buy out). That was actually a success story in itself.
Just a head's up on red herrings and white elephants here.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
If HT ever puts in code which limits the number of people who can log in based on odds, then that is a clear sign he has a massive brain aneurism.
Ex-actly.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
The rest of the week the undeclared truce seems to kick in and the other two countries enjoy superior odds without an ENY or perk penalty.
"Undeclared" and "seems" appear to be key words. I've never participated in or saw evidence of either at anytime. I've seen suspicion voiced of such.
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So what exactly is the injustice being done? The ENY applies across all countries does it not?
1. Learn to fight 3v1
2. Lean to fight w/o an La7
Rooks still have odds so the other 2 countries are forced to learn #1.
Since the ENY, HT has forced 1 side to learn #2. Apparently this is a grave injustice.
I'm neither for nor against the ENY, it doesn't affect me. What I find amusing is Rooks somehow manage to cobble together both a whine about losing airplanes and a message of superiority.
If I was fighting with 3v1 odds I certainly wouldn't be complaining on the BBS about losing a 51D or an La7. That's embarassing. Then to couple the admission of A/C dependence with a message of superior organization...that is what is laughable>
again hornet, i challenge your blanket statement to find where ive whined about any of the above. if you add a P38 to your list, then you got me.
~S~
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Originally posted by ghi
Zazen , you don't know me, but i know your 37mm flak shells, got them in my my mouth, taste bad,
Hehe, sorry buddy. I am doing my best to 'democratize' my ability in the Ostwind with publicly posted guides and such in the interest of fairness. Short-term solution, don't vulch/pork Rook bases. ;)
Zazen
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It must be Monday, Time for a Big thread about Sunday numbers and why the Rooks are Evil.
Tune in Next Monday.. Same time, same channel.
WTG ROOKS!! :)
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Actually .. it's still the weekend - being the Laborday holiday and all or this thread woulda gotten lockdown at about 8 this morning central time from topic and first post alone.
{edt} Hmmm ... or maybe not. Seems there was a thread locked today. Hmmmmm .... :cool:
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Well ... only a couple nights a week. The rest of the week the undeclared truce seems to kick in and the other two countries enjoy superior odds without an ENY or perk penalty.
I can understand this, mind you. Someone hordes you and the natural tendency is to get even. But lets not pretend the truce isn't happening. You can just read the ebb and flow of this forum and see what gets complained about which days - or look at the bar-dar on most weeknights.
If ENY is here to stay then cap it at 30 and put in logic to better determine to whom it gets applied and when. Adding more "2nd line" Jabo planes (P-38D, P-39, P-40N, etc.) would also help ease the "pain."
If you look back at the original thread HT posted pre-ENY implimentation you will see my two major concerns:
Concern #1: While the ENY system provides a handicapping system based on raw numerical disparity of forces it affords no provision or modification for how those forces are arrayed. There is every possibility that the numbers could be-- Rooks:150; Knights:100; Bishops 100, causing a major ENY penalty against Rooks. But, Knights and Bishops may only be devoting 25 players each to fight one another leaving a combined force of 150 players against a severely handicapped, but numerically equal 150 Rooks. This is just an example, but it happens alot, and not just to Rooks. I see Bishops getting the short-end of this stick very often. It's just proof that the ENY system is overly simplified and therefore deeply flawed at its core.
Concern #2: The ENY modifier is based on total players online, including those on extended AFKs and dual-accounters who have their 2nd account signed on with their laptop to another country for whatever reason, skewing the numbers. There is no time-out for AFKs, alot of people even go AFK to take a four hour nap, or leave their computer on all night hoping their country resets while they're sleeping to get perks. I've seen situations recently where Bishops had 150 people online but only 85 in-flight at any given time, whereas Rooks and Knights had 100 people online but 90 in-flight each. But, Bishops were the ones heavily 'modified', this also happens to every country if you observe the 'country status'. The ENY modifier is based on total people logged into the game not the total people having an impact on gameplay. This is a very deep flaw and patently unfair.
A system that attempts to mollify gameplay based on only one set of data, but does not take into account the intracacies and the contextual disposition of that data is incredibly flawed, prone to abuse and unfair to everyone.
Zazen
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Interesting points. How about makin' the ENY thing based ONLY on planes in flight vs. people logged in?
I STILL think my idea of fuggin' w/ strat up/down times as a better solution. Rooks got 2 to 1 odds? Make the outnumbered strats up faster, and the hordes take longer. Tougher to take a base if ack up's every 10min, and town/vh only down for short periods of time. THEN the reverse would also help, kill their vh, takes 45 min to up. (play with the times. make 'em # dependant like the eny is).
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Originally posted by flyingaround
Interesting points. How about makin' the ENY thing based ONLY on planes in flight vs. people logged in?
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I never understood why it wasn't designed to be this way at the outset. That is the way HT designed the perk modifier. The perk modifier is based on players in-flight, not merely just logged into the game. HT even went so far as to add tracking to players in-flight in the 'country status' interface screen, so he has the data required and tracked but does not use it in the ENY calculations, I find this perplexing to say the least.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
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A system that attempts to mollify gameplay based on only one set of data, but does not take into account the intracacies and the contextual disposition of that data is incredibly flawed, prone to abuse and unfair to everyone.
Exactly ... combine total players online, with bases held, and then factor in planes "in contact" (enemy planes in friendly owned or occupied sectors as a 5-minute trend) and it should be possible to come up with an accurate reflection of what's going on in the MA.
There are at least two serious situations which the current ENY makes worse than before to highlight this problem:
- Odds are even but a country is getting double-teamed and pushed back. The trucing attackers aren't ENY penalized. When reinforcements arrive to the beseiged country, they must try to retake their home bases with an ENY penalty.
- Odds are 125:100:75 (call the countries A:B:C). A is attacking C in force to try to get a reset. B decides to pile on and race for the reset. But only A gets the ENY penalty - B is free to make the odds imbalance even worse and doesn't get penalized for it.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
- Odds are 125:100:75 (call the countries A:B:C). A is attacking C in force to try to get a reset. B decides to pile on and race for the reset. But only A gets the ENY penalty - B is free to make the odds imbalance even worse and doesn't get penalized for it.
Change the equation to numbers less rather than numbers more and force A and B to both deal with ENY disablement (albeit on a different scale). In other words have the system look from the bottom up instead of from the top down.
As far as "undeclared truces" are concerned. I've been an advocate of adding one (or more) new sides to the equation for awhile now.
Add "Diplomacy" to the game of "Risk", I say. :D
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Well ... only a couple nights a week. The rest of the week the undeclared truce seems to kick in and the other two countries enjoy superior odds without an ENY or perk penalty.
I can understand this, mind you. Someone hordes you and the natural tendency is to get even. But lets not pretend the truce isn't happening. You can just read the ebb and flow of this forum and see what gets complained about which days - or look at the bar-dar on most weeknights.
If ENY is here to stay then cap it at 30 and put in logic to better determine to whom it gets applied and when. Adding more "2nd line" Jabo planes (P-38D, P-39, P-40N, etc.) would also help ease the "pain."
which gets back to my original thought that the Rooks may only feel the ENY 1-2 times a week anyway. The rest of the time we've all got full planes enabled in a status-quo gang-bang environment ala AH1.
The trucing accusations come up often from all sides, in my experience, the MA is too chaotic to implement them. I do agree that some people have taken to going after Rooks regardless. So there may be a degree of hate building there but it's more of a silent non-organized, non-communicated occurance, which is Healthy because its a new motivation outside of AH's traditional numbers focused motivations...more on this in a bit. Capping at 30 seems reasonable, even lower would work I think.
But it won't cut the ENY whining because this angst is based on a different motivation.
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Originally posted by Hornet
If I was fighting with 3v1 odds I certainly wouldn't be complaining on the BBS about losing a 51D or an La7.
If ENY-r had restricted only 2 airplanes, this discussion wouldn't be happening. :lol
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Unless one or both of those airplanes was T-Bolt's fav. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Change the equation to numbers less rather than numbers more and force A and B to both deal with ENY disablement (albeit on a different scale). In other words have the system look from the bottom up instead of from the top down.
As far as "undeclared truces" are concerned. I've been an advocate of adding one (or more) new sides to the equation for awhile now.
Add "Diplomacy" to the game of "Risk", I say. :D
Not sure switching the country geometry would work easily. Most of the terrains are triangular layouts for starters. And as importantly, if there isn't enough leadership available to deal with the current situation, how will diluting it make things any better?
-DoK
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imo, the source of the problem for HTC for all this is that his community has evolved differently than those in the past.
The combination of perk points and MA resets have focused the sides on the goal of obtaining reset. This leads a country to want to attack the Weakest country.
There is certainly less of a focus on A2A fundamentals, more of a focus on score. Couple this with the reset motivation and players will stubbornly horde, and direct this mob at the weakest foe.
Not the brightest aspect's of human personality on display. Somehow HTC needs to find a way to get the 2 strongest countries to WANT to go at each other.
Its in this respect that the ENY may struggle. But as you aluded to in a previous post Dok, some folks are deciding to attack Rooks now regardless of Reset implications.
The bish were in the hole last night and despite the cries from some Field Generals a big bulk of Nits went after Rooks anyway. Hate? Payback? Maybe...but also perhaps a recognition of numbers seperate from reset conditions.
The #2 country focusing on the #1 is healthy and is what is needed to balance the MA. If HT can some how game design that into the MA, it will attain a better equilibrium.
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Why does every country require a significant border with another? That's where the "Diplomacy" aspect comes in. You mention "unspoken truces" ... let's have actual treaties! Heh.
Leadership? I've as much patience for the average armchair general in this game as I do the mindless berzerker. I don't, nor have I ever, seen the MA as the place where organized scenarios happen. MA is a different kind of fun.
Sure .. there's resets and "winning the war" and all ... but there's quite a few players that don't log on to join "The Crusading Deamons HQ busting mission" or are even remotely interested in resetting the map and earning some points for it. Of course ... there's plenty that do. It seems most of them have gathered on the Rook side (and there's no problem in that, afaic).
Leadership will surface, undoubtedly. Maybe even be more effective in smaller groups.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Unless one or both of those airplanes was T-Bolt's fav. ;)
That isn't true, Arlo. You have a nasty penchant for poking people with the wrong sticks. :p
And, btw, there is nothing wrong with my first post. :rolleyes: :)
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I've left out the fact that I like ya anyway but that was because I want to look mean. ;)
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hey Tbolt is that a stick dent i see in your head ? ;)
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Originally posted by Goobman
I refuse to allow the eny limiter force me into a decision to switch sides that I normally wouldn't make. To that end, not only am I not going to switch sides but I will fly more than I normally did before eny limiter was put into place. That will be my form of protest until I decide where I will spend my $15 in the future.
100% agree.
I had even closed my account. After 2 weeks I resubscribed. I fly only on rook's side now, and I will do it regardless of any plane set restrictions.
I don't think that FW190A-5 or Mussy matches La-7 or P51D. If anybody doesn't think so it's his problem. May be veterans wouldn't agree with that but I am not a veteran, and, frankly, don't care about what they are talking. So, I don't worry about my K/D or score, I don't bother about my skills any more, I don't even try to fight in the most cases. Suicide bombing, and intentional crash sometimes - this is my way to play this game now. They will get kill, but at least they won't get perks.
It is my form of protest.
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And then Vad found out he enjoyed the 190A5 and Mossie and promptly forgot that he was angry about the LA7. ;)
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I never thought the imbalance was a problem...
It shifts back and forth with each passing month and year.
Id like the ENY limiter to be repealed just so that I can stop listening to the whining. The ENY has never effected my gameplay, and I wouldnt really mind if it did. But to stop all this retarded whining and moaning, lets just get rid of it. There was a lot less whining from the imbalance crowd.
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Originally posted by Jasta
I never thought the imbalance was a problem...
It shifts back and forth with each passing month and year.
Id like the ENY limiter to be repealed just so that I can stop listening to the whining. The ENY has never effected my gameplay, and I wouldnt really mind if it did. But to stop all this retarded whining and moaning, lets just get rid of it. There was a lot less whining from the imbalance crowd.
Can I get an AMEN?! :D
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
hey Tbolt is that a stick dent i see in your head ? ;)
Arlo done it. :(
Well, I'm going back to the arena for a while. There have been some good ideas that have come out, and I think we can all agree that the ENY-r system needs to be - at the very least - adjusted.
I think it's also obvious to HT now that most of these Rooks aren't going to switch sides or log off.
In the name of better customer relations, it's my opinion that HT would do very well to disable ENY-r until the next plan can be set in motion.
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
Arlo done it. :(
Well, I'm going back to the arena for a while. There have been some good ideas that have come out, and I think we can all agree that the ENY-r system needs to be - at the very least - adjusted.
I think it's also obvious to HT now that most of these Rooks aren't going to switch sides or log off.
In the name of better customer relations, it's my opinion that HT would do very well to disable ENY-r until the next plan can be set in motion.
There's no need to 'hard-code' solutions to gameplay player balance issues. Players balance themselves over time. The economics of finding good fights and human nature will alone achieve balance if left unmolested. When you start monkey'ing with individual freedom of choice and emotional attachements between friends you're playing with fire. HTC has the good fortune of being able to look back at a rich history of massively multi-player WW2 Combat Flight simulation's trials and tribulations when making game design decisions. HTC knows full well Airwarrior existed 3 times as long as AH has with the same population demographic just on a larger scale and was balanced perfectly for that entire duration by simply allowing complete and total individual freedom of choice. It works, it's been proven, why HTC chose to mess with something as fundamental as this when it works fine on its own if you are patient and allow it to naturally unfold is unfathomable.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
There's no need to 'hard-code' solutions to gameplay player balance issues. Players balance themselves over time. The economics of finding good fights and human nature will achieve balance alone if left unmolested. When you start monkey'ing with freedom of choice and emotional attachements between friends you're playing with fire.
It works, it's been proven, why HTC chose to mess with something as fundamental as this when it works fine on its own if you are patient and allow it to is unfathomable.
Zazen
Well penned, Zazen. I couldn't agree more. It's an observation that has been made many times, but still goes unheard, apparently. :mad: :(
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Originally posted by Arlo
And then Vad found out he enjoyed the 190A5 and Mossie and promptly forgot that he was angry about the LA7. ;)
No, it will never happen.
To begin enjoy early war planes you have to achieve something in good riders, get bored and want to face new challenge.
New HTC rules have removed very important part of this curve for new players - starting to win, get confidence.
"The most important thing for fighter pilot to get his fisrt victory without too much shock" (Colonel Werner Moelders, Luftwaffe)
May be these new rules would keep some old players on outnumbered sides from leaving this game but they will for sure alienate a lot of new players in a long run.
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
Well penned, Zazen. I couldn't agree more. It's an observation that has been made many times, but still goes unheard, apparently. :mad: :(
Yup, it's as obvious as a dog's balls to any reasonable thinking person who has been around since the old days. How the 'powers that be' at HTC fail to see the 'big picture' is totally beyond my comprehension.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Vad
No, it will never happen.
To begin enjoy early war planes you have to achieve something in good riders, get bored and want to face new challenge.
Oh contraire, mi amigo. You can enjoy anything you set your mind to. You just have to have the mindset. :D
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Yup, it's as obvious as a dog's balls ...
Not even goin' there .... heh. But it was tempting.
Zaz .... you and I agree on some things and disagree on others. This is one where we disagree. I don't see a disaster. `Course I didn't see one before. I'll sit up here and toss peanut shells from the balcony at the lot of yas. I don't see anything worth squeelin' over and gettin' excited about.
Bring on a good show, folks!
I've been to the P.I. ..... it takes alot to impress or shock me. ;)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
There's no need to 'hard-code' solutions to gameplay player balance issues. Players balance themselves over time. The economics of finding good fights and human nature will alone achieve balance if left unmolested. When you start monkey'ing with individual freedom of choice and emotional attachements between friends you're playing with fire. HTC has the good fortune of being able to look back at a rich history of massively multi-player WW2 Combat Flight simulation's trials and tribulations when making game design decisions. HTC knows full well Airwarrior existed 3 times as long as AH has with the same population demographic just on a larger scale and was balanced perfectly for that entire duration by simply allowing complete and total individual freedom of choice. It works, it's been proven, why HTC chose to mess with something as fundamental as this when it works fine on its own if you are patient and allow it to naturally unfold is unfathomable.
Zazen
Except the demographic of the community has fundamentally changed from the type that populated AW's arenas.
There is too much emphasis in AH about "winning" the reset and less on creating good fights. What is very obvious is the overall degradation of the average individual's technical skills. This combination results in clumping, people don't want to achieve balance..they just don't want to die.
Much has been made about the time Rooks spent in the bucket. I know because I was there. The country at that time was very different in feel than now. A lot of the "furball" groups switched over, a lot of hotsticks came over....basically guys looking to stay sharp by fighting those types of bad odds.
That was a different era of AH both in demographic and player focus than now.
People now do not want side balance, they want to "win". They're smart enough to realize that odds cover a lot of weaknesses and they will never, ever leave that cocoon. As we've seen, people will quit this game before they willingly go balance the odds.
As Urchin said, odds and planetype or the 2 biggest factors in deciding a fight. Since players refuse to give up the safety and stats boost from odds, HT is trying to prod them by affecting plane type.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Oh contraire, mi amigo. You can enjoy anything you set your mind to. You just have to have the mindset. :D
It is true if we are talking about mankind in general but it is not true if we are talking about specific man.
Yes, there are some persons who like masochism. But I don't. Shame on me.
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Are you actually saying that flying any plane but the La-7 in AHII seems masochistic to you but being stubborn about switching sides to fly it and logging on anyway to fly something else isn't? Just checking. ;)
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In the MA nothing should be perked. The perk system came about because whinners didnt like getting shot down by an F4U-C.
If you want a limited plane set go to the CT. If not get used to being shot down by 262s and every other late war plane.
Just my opinion.
Blutik
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Originally posted by Zazen13
... HTC knows full well Airwarrior existed 3 times as long as AH has with the same population demographic just on a larger scale and was balanced perfectly for that entire duration by simply allowing complete and total individual freedom of choice. ...
AW was "perfectly balanced?" HT - stop laughing!
Not since the first campaign was AW balanced - at that time all new players were A-landers by default and got vultched ad nauseum.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Are you actually saying that flying any plane but the La-7 in AHII seems masochistic to you but being stubborn about switching sides to fly it and logging on anyway to fly something else isn't? Just checking. ;)
Looks like you don't see difference between masochism and excruciation.
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Originally posted by Vad
Looks like you don't see difference between masochism and excruciation.
Welp ... you may be right about that. Maybe the word we're both looking for is "martyrdom", though. :D
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
And, when the game isn't fun to play anymore, people DO walk; the core community crumbles & the company dies (it has happened many times before).
That is how the ENY thing came about. The game wasnt fun when people logged on to look at the roster and the map, and see little or no viable way to make an enjoyable flight night after night.
Originally posted by Zazen13
There's no need to 'hard-code' solutions to gameplay player balance issues. Players balance themselves over time. The economics of finding good fights and human nature will alone achieve balance if left unmolested.
There seems to be evidence disputing that statment in this very thread:
- a lot of these players have been flying for a team...with friends...for years -- YEARS. We don't just pick up our bags and "switch sides." End of story. There is no further discussion about it.
- Myself and other Rooks will not switch sides.
- B17skull12, reference my previous post to Kev. WE, the Rooks, are not going to switch sides. The Rook hordes, that so many seem to whine about, are not going to go away....Eny limiter or not.
- So, please, quit suggesting that we "switch sides." That just isn't how things work whether you like it or not.
- I don't need to check with my schedule to make sure that other people are on at the same time, I don't want to have to make an appointment to fly so I can make sure my group can run a mission we plan with the planes we chose.
Everyone who is complaining seems to just gloss over the fact that if this were only a "one night a week problem" the ENY wouldnt turn on any other time. When I see comments on how things must be: "I must fly for ", "Squad night must be on ", "My squad must be able to fly ". My sympathy level drops to zero. If you are blind to, or dont care how ruining others ability to enjoy the game is affected by your percieved right to do things your way, then there is your answer to why the ENY rule came into being.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
HTC knows full well Airwarrior existed 3 times as long as AH has with the same population demographic just on a larger scale and was balanced perfectly for that entire duration by simply allowing complete and total individual freedom of choice.
Lol, that is bull. "balanced perfectly for the entire duration" What a crock.
By the way, in AW if you logged on to an arena and your country was getting ganged, you had other identical arenas to go to, or you could go to the other theater. In AH you can go to CT, which differs in many respects or log off.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Welp ... you may be right about that. Maybe the word we're both looking for is "martyrdom", though. :D
I didn't know this word, thank you. :)
Frankly, I don't speek English so well to feel difference between 'martyrdom' and 'excruciation'. Seems, the first one is more mental, I would say. If it is so, you are right.
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Originally posted by Murdr
... If you are blind to, or dont care how ruining others ability to enjoy the game is affected by your percieved right to do things your way, then there is your answer to why the ENY rule came into being.
Then why was it acceptable for the Rooks to be the most outnumbered side for almost a year? I wasn't around for this, but enough people have told me what it was like (with 8x10 color screen-shots).
To folks who played through that and overcame it, to now see other sides given a "free ride" when it's their turn in the pit will trigger the natural reaction to dig in. Why are these other people so special that they need to be spared, right?
We're talking human dynamics here.
Now, in terms of the game - well odds have always swung to and fro. It sucks being outnumbered, true. But why couldn't squads from one of the weaker countries move so that maybe a second numerically strong country came to the battle? There has been nothing stopping such migration which, although it would create a heavily weakened 3rd country, there would be a massive battle going on between the two stronger sides. Why must the country with numbers "give back their gold medal" when the weaker sides can just pool their resources if they want to fight with even numbers?
-DoK
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Then why was it acceptable for the Rooks to be the most outnumbered side for almost a year? I wasn't around for this, but enough people have told me what it was like (with 8x10 color screen-shots).
Are you saying that HT should have waited almost a whole year to implement the horde ENY restriction so the other chess pieces could have their fair share of "unfairness?" Because if HT is to give into the human dynamics part of this equation then it won't stop with the ENY restriction.
I'm not much for conspiracy theories (and I'm not saying you are, DG) .. but I kinda doubt the ENY restriction was something HT was thinking about a couple of years ago but only decided it was a good idea when the rooks had numbers. From what I've read from some here .... though ..... hehe.
Of course ... to be honest (and I've said this before) ... the numbers disparity never bothered me all that much. Challenge is good. Guess that's why the ENY restriction doesn't bother me all that much, either.
Excessively bothered people kinda bother me. Until I remember how funny they can be. (Again .. not you, per say, DG.)
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Originally posted by Arlo
You really ARE a goob, man. ;)
You were gonna log for the night but you saw a chance to screw your fellow rooks out of some rides so you stayed on and twiddled your fingers? Then you got the gall to make a big deal over the rooks "winning the war" anyway? Heh ... you're too much.
" .... as did many other Rooks."
What .... did you guys get together on squad channel and go "huhuhu .... we'll show THEM .... huhuhu .... we'l make every rook as pissed off as we are ... huhuhu .... wait a sec .... look .... there's rooks that don't care .... LOOK ... WE WON! WE WON!
Quick eveyone (the 20 or so odd rooks that have had a wet diaper since the eny limit was imposed) ... there's GOT to be a way we can put a bad spin on this!!!!!"
That's as dumb as "Ah will naht change frum Rookland, evah evah. Rule Rooklandia! Fly for ahnother side? Unthinkable!"
Well .... you showed us!
(Opposite effect? Well ... there's a tard factor to most things that defies logic, I suppose)
p.s. Yeah .... I know ... this post has a very limited shelflife.
:lol
And my reply will probably have as much shelflife.
Your intelligence (or lack of it) shows by your blatent attack on me. Instead of making an intelligent argument against my thoughts (maybe for lack of ammo on your part) you try to flame and get personal. Your kind sickens me and your ignorance is apparent to most. Your post is almost laughable except it is probably embarrassing to your friends. Get a life and learn the meaning of intelligent discourse and debate.
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Here's mu only problem..The 339thFG was REAL late war...only existed about a year..They only flew the 51B for a real short time...They were a 51D squad...we are modeled after a historic squad and like to fly that way..we have tried to move our squad night to less popular nights to fly but that still hasn't worked...we didn't choose the plane as much as we chose the squad..now we can't hold our squad night and be happy about it....we took a vote to change countries..and at was 75% to stay rook because of the friendships and teamwork we have there...and to put it out there this game darn near lost an entire squad in the matter of 1 day. There has to be a better way to balance sides..the way we are doing it now only causes hate and discontent...and with lack of a better game to play (as far as MMOG flight sims go) what choice do we have but to stay here....HT has us all over a barrel with this
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Originally posted by Vad
I didn't know this word, thank you. :)
Frankly, I don't speek English so well to feel difference between 'martyrdom' and 'excruciation'. Seems, the first one is more mental, I would say. If it is so, you are right.
Depends on whether you view it's root as a verb or a noun. If you view it as a verb it implies that HT is the sadist and you are the masochist. If you view it as the latter, you can be a masochist with no actual sadist involved but your imagination ... as long as you feel you're suffering for a just cause.
BTW ... you handle English better than any second language I do. I must admit that I suffer from acute monolingualism. Some here think I have mono now.
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Originally posted by Goobman
And my reply will probably have as much shelflife.
Your intelligence (or lack of it) shows by your blatent attack on me. Instead of making an intelligent argument against my thoughts (maybe for lack of ammo on your part) you try to flame and get personal. Your kind sickens me and your ignorance is apparent to most. Your post is almost laughable except it is probably embarrassing to your friends. Get a life and learn the meaning of intelligent discourse and debate.
Was this intended to be a shining example? :lol
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Then why was it acceptable for the Rooks to be the most outnumbered side for almost a year? I wasn't around for this, but enough people have told me what it was like (with 8x10 color screen-shots).
To folks who played through that and overcame it, to now see other sides given a "free ride" when it's their turn in the pit will trigger the natural reaction to dig in. Why are these other people so special that they need to be spared, right?
We're talking human dynamics here.
Now, in terms of the game - well odds have always swung to and fro. It sucks being outnumbered, true. But why couldn't squads from one of the weaker countries move so that maybe a second numerically strong country came to the battle? There has been nothing stopping such migration which, although it would create a heavily weakened 3rd country, there would be a massive battle going on between the two stronger sides. Why must the country with numbers "give back their gold medal" when the weaker sides can just pool their resources if they want to fight with even numbers?
-DoK
It's interesting because I was there fighting for Rooks during that time. I left when the horde tactics took over.
Recently, in part because this seems to be a source of angst, I've been fiddling back through the stats with the idea of assigning country origin for the Top 100 fighters in camps where Rooks were "in the bucket".
The focus being: of the number of the ranking Rooks back then, what number are now flying for either Knights or Bish. And the same analysis done in reverse to see of the number of ranking Rooks last camp, how many ranked during the In-the-bucket time frame. This would give a better sense of who actually flew effectively back then and continues to do.
It's been slow going and time better spent flying, and defining that time period is tough. I'll probably only get 3 or so camps mapped, if anyone else would like to jump feel free, but it should be interesting.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Actually .. it's still the weekend - being the Laborday holiday and all or this thread woulda gotten lockdown at about 8 this morning central time from topic and first post alone.
{edt} Hmmm ... or maybe not. Seems there was a thread locked today. Hmmmmm .... :cool:
Dunno about you but I am at work....... 24 hr day watches in the FAA
Gunns
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Originally posted by Arlo
Are you saying that HT should have waited almost a whole year to implement the horde ENY restriction so the other chess pieces could have their fair share of "unfairness?" Because if HT is to give into the human dynamics part of this equation then it won't stop with the ENY restriction.
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No ... only trying to show just why some of the reaction has been as fierce as its been, and why "chess piece" loyalty was maybe underestimated.
Bear in mind that the system put in place punishes only one side for a situation which arose naturally, as it has for 17 years. They are being given no reward for changing sides, other than to get back the planes they had before - whoop-de-doo. And the system has many holes in it which make things seem more imbalanced in ways.
Maybe the genre has grown to the point where you need ENY. But if you drop something like this in, and only one portion of the population gets shafted by it, then that isn't fair either.
-DoK
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Originally posted by Coolridr
Here's mu only problem..The 339thFG was REAL late war...only existed about a year..They only flew the 51B for a real short time...They were a 51D squad...we are modeled after a historic squad and like to fly that way..we have tried to move our squad night to less popular nights to fly but that still hasn't worked...we didn't choose the plane as much as we chose the squad..now we can't hold our squad night and be happy about it....we took a vote to change countries..and at was 75% to stay rook because of the friendships and teamwork we have there...and to put it out there this game darn near lost an entire squad in the matter of 1 day. There has to be a better way to balance sides..the way we are doing it now only causes hate and discontent...and with lack of a better game to play (as far as MMOG flight sims go) what choice do we have but to stay here....HT has us all over a barrel with this
My respect and admiration for other historically based squadrons in Aces High knows no bounds ... but ... may I make a suggestion (just a suggestion, mind you)?
First ...
Now .... granted .... VF-17 doesn't have as great a chance of losing it's pet ride in the MA as much as the 339th FG does. BUT ... even if we did ... we, long ago, learned that occasionally we may have to widen our historical point of view some. By this I mean the historical relationship VF-17 had with earlier squadrons.
The commanding officer of VF-17 (the only one it had prior to the squad being disbanded and reestablished later as an entire new entity flying F6Fs on the West coast) was also the commanding officer of an F4F squadron that participated in Operation Torch (Escort Fighting Squadron 29 or VGF-29). Kleinman and Halford both served with VF-5 - land based out of Guadalcanal during it's darkest days.
The virtual VF-17 decided long ago to be willing to fly anything blue (we have, since then, adapted to flying anything - period - when blue isn't available. More on that in a bit). We feel an historical connection in the F4F and the F4U. Many pilots got their start in one then went on to be the core nucleus of squadrons formed flying the other.
Secondly (and this is no slam on the MA, so retract claws now, kittens) ....
The MA is not ... nor will it ever be an historical setting. The CT can't mimic it perfectly either ... but it tries. And VF-17 flies both.
But flying the CT regularly requires members of VF-17 to give up thier preferred ride on a regular basis (we're talking F4U setups generally being rare there). So .... we fly other planes when it's not there. And we tend to switch sides to balance the arena. And you know what? Even though we're an historically based squadron devoted to the F4U ... we have fun doing it.
When we want to fly F4Us we can go to the MA. If, by chance, the ENY was to somehow affect the availability of the F4U-1 ... ahem ... we would switch sides and fly it. We should have switched anyhow if numbers ended up THAT extremely lop-sided.
But what we'd rather be doing is flying the F4U in an historical setting against it's traditional foes. Eh ... we all gotta make sacrifices sometimes.
To sum up. There's bound to be some historical connections that your virtual representation of the 339th FG can find to older units that flew the B modell (or even the P-40). But it's just a suggestion. Takes a lil give and take. ;)
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i dont think the game should be unfair for anybody i dont care if the rooks were gangbang for a while and this some how gives you the right to gangbang us bishs into the ground and then pat your self on the back for winning a very lopsided fight
this ENY thing trys to make the huge monster team whoever that might be to a more level playing field sure its still going to be unfair right now even with the ENY thing but it makes it much more fair we 10 players defend a base with 10 la7s and you come in with 30 202s now would it be more fair that you to have LA7s? i think not
perks dont work and you hear how alot of players have 200000000 perks in the bank
o yea its my 15$ to and i dont want to face 3to1 odds ever sunday
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Originally posted by Coolridr
Here's mu only problem..The 339thFG was REAL late war...only existed about a year..They only flew the 51B for a real short time...They were a 51D squad...we are modeled after a historic squad and like to fly that way..we have tried to move our squad night to less popular nights to fly but that still hasn't worked...we didn't choose the plane as much as we chose the squad..now we can't hold our squad night and be happy about it....we took a vote to change countries..and at was 75% to stay rook because of the friendships and teamwork we have there...and to put it out there this game darn near lost an entire squad in the matter of 1 day. There has to be a better way to balance sides..the way we are doing it now only causes hate and discontent...and with lack of a better game to play (as far as MMOG flight sims go) what choice do we have but to stay here....HT has us all over a barrel with this
I am the CO of a historical squad JG7. They are late war squad that flew a few 190's and 109's and tons of 262s. but im not whining am i? i can live with flying early war planes, so can the rest of my squaddies. in fact i love to fly 109F4's even when there is no eny limiter on.
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Dunno, when I first started I believe Knights were in the bucket. Then it was rooks, so I harangued my squad till they switched to Rooks. Now its knights/bish, although sometimes really early AM EST Rooks are in the hole, so I switch to them if I'm flying alone.
But I (and most of the people I've been in squads with, but not all) am more concerned with finding a good fight than "winning the war". If one is concerned about winning the "war" it makes sense for them to want to have overwhelming numbers, and the "best" planes available. Hence the whining in-game and on the BBS.. "winning the war" has become more important to a majority of people in AH than finding a good A2A fight.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Was this intended to be a shining example? :lol
Take it however u want. But as far as setting a "shining" example....that sure wasn't going to come from you and your rhetoric.
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Originally posted by Goobman
Take it however u want. But as far as setting a "shining" example....that sure wasn't going to come from you and your rhetoric.
Did you get offended? Gonna even bother to ask yourself why or is it just easier to assume that I hate your guts or sumpin? Take a breath and read it all again. Pretend you're not even in the conversation. :D
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
ENY should probably never get above 30 for the obvious customer relations reasons. Assuming that this stuff stays in place, of course.
If you think HT is making uber-bucks from this, you probably never worked at a game company.
From earlier in the thread. It's simple .... it's elegant ...
Why not?
Add a string (or whatever you code gurus do) to stop the eny disablement at 30.
If HT's willing and able to code this, I'd say it's worth a try.
I'll second it, DoK. May this diminish if not entirely end the whining on this one aspect of the game so we can all focus on whining about something else. :)
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Originally posted by Urchin
But I (and most of the people I've been in squads with, but not all) am more concerned with finding a good fight than "winning the war". If one is concerned about winning the "war" it makes sense for them to want to have overwhelming numbers, and the "best" planes available. Hence the whining in-game and on the BBS.. "winning the war" has become more important to a majority of people in AH than finding a good A2A fight.
I don't think it's the "winning the war" solely.
I think the fact is in the arena now people aren't looking for a "good" fight - they are purely looking for a fight where they have the advantage in numbers and plane type, and will not consider fighting under any other circumstances.
More and more people are starting to fly like this - it's the "Zazen Factor".
Scores/stats will always cause this as a byproduct - it's a shame the game needs them to keep a large chunk of the player base happy. The most fun times/fights have always been during beta periods , when people aren't caring about their score.
Just my 2 bob
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I wonder if getting rid of the ENY restriction along with the scorepage will cause more or less whining in the long run?
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Rooks act like they are the only ones that gets nabbed by the ENY lockdown.
This morning we got locked out (Bish).
Couldn`t fly the 38, etc. Wheew , was the worst 15 minutes of the day. rofl
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Never going to get rid of the whining. That's why the eny thing is here to begin with.
Arlo Typed "(ROCrats logs on)
SERVER: ROOK side at limit
___ Fly Bishops
___ Fly Knights
___ Wait in cue for an opening "
Missed one. (ROCrats logs out)
It's choice. Like I said, I'm just one person. I'll like it or I won't :)
I believe that placing limits on a game is paramount to saying your players are idiots and cannot control themselves. I prefer a different format, and frankly, if in fact the players cannot control themselves, then the community is far worse off than an eny enforcement will ever solve.
It's a matter of choice where I chose to spend what little free time I do have, and that's all it is. Hopefully it's enjoyable, and if the masses like it this way, then that is fine, but I don't have to. I don't need someone managing my free time when all I want to do is log in and enjoy myself. If I don't, then again, I will find something to do that I do enjoy. Why is this a difficult concept to grasp? Choice is a good thing. Beats me why theres all the fuss, when the core argument that has been lobbied against me is that I'm selfish and don't care what the other players have to contend with.
I am, and I don't. I log in for my own reasons, lifes funny that way.
When a playing field is simply available and level, then the game will equal itself out. Ebbs and Flows. It works. When people start trying to manage based on complaints of fairness, they have let themselfes wide open to spend the remaining time developing the games rules instead of the games features. Once you start trying to define "fair" you have to keep going. It's not "fair" now. I just logged in, I didn't schedule it, and I didn't pre-authorize my flight time.
I should have, there were 90 Bish and 110 Rooks. YeGawds, someone should have been all over telling some of the rooks to leave. That wasn't fair. Now, I know, I had a half hour to kill, and probably should have, in all fairness, asked the 5 guys in my squad if we wanted to change sides. Theres 20 minutes killed for the logistics, 5min to get up, 5 min to fly and I'm outta there.
YeeeeeeeHowdeeeHo that's some Fun Today!!
Get real. Now since that wasn't very nice or fair of me, HT should have enabled an even balance thing. Since it isn't "fair" to log in if someone is outnumberd. I can't make that choice, don't have time to figure it out, nor interest in doing so, which means someone else will have to do it. Better dismantle squads though, they won't work.
Let's go even farther, let's be "fair.
Auto Distribute players based on Numbers. Now, you better not auto rotate players so all the good ones get on early and get on one side, for crying out loud, let's be fair. You have to distribute players based on the K/D cause That's what really matters. Can't have the top 3 on the same side, or 20 newbs on one team, divide up the players Evenly based on score. Let's be fair now.
Where do you stop? You Can't, so why start? Pendulums swing, sometimes they meet in the middle, sometimes it's right, sometimes it's left, but it's in constant flux and motion. That's nature, that's life, and that's not a bad thing.
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Originally posted by ROCrats
Never going to get rid of the whining. That's why the eny thing is here to begin with.
Arlo Typed "(ROCrats logs on)
SERVER: ROOK side at limit
___ Fly Bishops
___ Fly Knights
___ Wait in cue for an opening "
Missed one. (ROCrats logs out)
No ... it was implied. It actually was the point (which you came really close to getting). There are worse things that could be instituted with fewer options. HT didn't (and probably will never) go to the extreme measure I gave you as an example. You have the option to log off if you're pissed about something in the game no matter WHAT limitations are involved (and again there will always be limitations involved).
But ... like I said again ... you have options.
- You can temporarily bite the bullet and fly a rickety old plane while you swarm over your opponent and win the war anyway.
- You can switch sides and ride your favorite slick ride while you help your former foe fight against overwhelming odds.
- You can talk your immediate rook family into joining you which may end up allowing everyone to fly their favorite slick rides.
- If you talk enough of them into it you may even "give the other side a taste of the horrible icky medicine your being 'forced' to swallow."
- You can log off and pout and mope.
- You can get over it.
- You can quit.
- You can get over it and come back.
If you don't like it ... someone else loves it. It's probably akin to that pendulum thang you was talkin' `bout. Btw ... pendulums only continue to swing if force is regularly applied. If no force is involved they ... eventually .. slowly ... stop.
Inversely, they can be stopped dead in their tracks if force is applied, as well. Of course, someone may stubbornly decide to keep applying force to start it again.
As far as players being idiots are concerned. Alot of them are. If there's any doubt in the matter, they'll do their best try to lay that to rest here in the forums. But what HT did wasn't reflecting that. The reaction some are having sure is.
And we all got limits on our time, amigo. Should be yet another reason to not be bull-headed stubborn about refusing to switch sides. I'd only ask HT to get rid of the 12 hour moratorium on switching back once parity returns.
And I'm sorry it takes your squad 20 minutes to figure out how to auger and switch sides. I suspect you're just telling me that to garner that sympathy though.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Then why was it acceptable for the Rooks to be the most outnumbered side for almost a year? I wasn't around for this, but enough people have told me what it was like (with 8x10 color screen-shots).
I was a Rook then, from the time I started flying here until they got out of the bucket. The difference is in that case it was one country consistently with low numbers, and an ebb and flow of majority between the remaining to countries. But even ignoring the fact that was 1/3rd affected as compaired to the opposite case where it is 2/3rds affected, iirc was typically 120/150/150 not 130/130/190. In other words, as I remember it, the in the bucket margin was on average smaller than the horde margin.
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I work hard each day dealing with customers. I am a Regional manager for a customer satisfaction department, within a large global manufacturer. I'm not young, and spend way too many nights on the road, attending too many boring meetings, and have to be coach, priest, brother to 8 people I control. My love for flying has always one of my top priorites. I have a SEL license with about 250 hours, and I have owned UltraLights, taildraggers and rented all kinds of aircraft. Due to the restraints of my job, I don't have a lot of time for many hobbies, my second love is golf which I never get to play anymore. The one thing I could always depend on was logging on to AH, and taking a spin in my favorite airplane, the P-51D. My father fought in WWII, and this is what I like flying. I've been a part of this community since beta. I've always been a Rook, even when being a Rook wasn't cool. I've see good people who are Rooks, and have always been proud to tell people I'm a Rook. Rooks get free beer! I enjoy the people I fly with. A bunch of good guys. Now, when I get some free time, or I'm lucky enough to be home, I want to log in to AH, fly, and escape all the issues that cause my blood pressure to rise. Lately, I log on, and I am denied from flying my favorite ride. It is getting down right depressing. I don't know what to do. I think HTC is a great simulation company which provides a release for all kinds of people. HTC has one of the best support departments ever. (Skuzzy is a real person who will give you a couple of minutes of his busy schedule to help you). I understand this is a strategic game, but some of us really don't care if a reset happens or not. We logon for some entertainment while talking to our friends, we are willing to pay for it, and expect to fly what we want to fly even if it is perked. Thanks for allowing me to voice my view.
Thorns
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"I was a Rook when Rook wasn't cool" was the best part.
I'm seeing a pattern here and though part of me finds in mildly revolting .... the other part finds it slightly amusing. Being a fair and open-minded individual I'll once again offer up the following olive branch of compromise to all parties involved:
Why not turn it off for a couple of weeks ... or even a month, for Peter's sake? Let's see what that old pendulum does and who applies what force to stop or start it. Let's see if everyone gets to play and enjoy the game without a minimum of a hundred posts in the forums over that month-long period that are related to how much the game sucks because of number disparity (to be fair ... I will continue to not care). Let's see if customers stay or go or flock or flee.
Of course ... if the worst happens .. who can blame HT for doing damage control and ending the experiment early? Either one.
All in favor? :D
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Originally posted by Redd
More and more people are starting to fly like this - it's the "Zazen Factor".
Scores/stats will always cause this as a byproduct - it's a shame the game needs them to keep a large chunk of the player base happy. The most fun times/fights have always been during beta periods , when people aren't caring about their score.
Just my 2 bob
I flew the EXACT same way I do now and have always flown during beta. It's not about the scores, it's about role-playing for its own sake....
Zazen
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I don't knock role-play. Some guys like being paladins ..... some like to put on their robe and their wizard hat.
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LOL, that was the funnieset damn thread ever. I loved that thread.
Some people like to role-play bad guys.. I think I might be a closet bad-guy.. I like the Luftwaffe... and when Star Wars battlefront comes out.. I'm gonna be a stormtrooper baby! Or maybe a Tie fighter pilot... those were always so much cooler than the Xwings...
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I'll be the fat x-wing guy eatin' a BBQ chickenwing right before he he fails to check his six for the tie-fighter in the deathstar trench. But ... I will be wearing my robe and wizard hat.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I flew the EXACT same way I do now and have always flown during beta. It's not about the scores, it's about role-playing for its own sake....
Zazen
OK it's not about score , my bad. You probably don't do it for score , but more for stats. I think from what I have read , you certainly are a stats man, and you have a personal aversity to dying ;) that's cool.
I'm not telling you how to fly, your money, you play it the way you want to - I don't have a problem with that.
The point I'm making is that more people seem to be heading in your direction lately , the arena seems to be a fest of fast late war planes, not engaging wthout all advantages , numbers, alt , plane type etc etc.
I have noticed this in PAC time , and it wasn't always like this.
If everyone flys the same way , particularly , that way , the arena's would be very very boring. The arena needs a mix of player types and planes to keep it interesting . imo.
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Originally posted by Redd
OK it's not about score , my bad. You probably don't do it for score , but more for stats. I think from what I have read , you certainly are a stats man, and you have a personal aversity to dying ;) that's cool.
I would fly to survive whether any data was kept whatsoever. It's a role-playing/immersive feel thing, it has nothing to do with numbers of any kind. The numbers are just a concrete way to assess, after the fact, how successfull at 'role-playing' you were without having to guess....
Zazen
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Originally posted by Redd
The arena needs a mix of player types and planes to keep it interesting . imo.
I still say there's room for more arenas in Aces High. Yeah .... the common retort is that it'll "fragment the community more" and yadda.
But wait! The community is already fragged! We gots peoples tellin us here that they's gots ta be rooks 24/7 for the rest of their life or the world will end. We gots peoples tellin us here that they's GOTS to drive the pony or the world will end! We gots peoples here sayin' that they GOTS ta fly in the main arena or the world will end! We gots peoples tellin' us that theys GOTS ta pork or the world will end! They's GOTS ta milk of the world will end! They's GOTS ta just furball `tween two bases that are 30 seconds apart from each other or the world will end!
It will end because they'll quit!
Sounds kinda fragged already.
Pacific pilots could use their own Aces High playground 24/7.
I'm serious.
The world may end.
Screw da rest.
Heh .... just kiddin' Don't screw da rest.
But build the Pacific Combat 24/7 theater when the Ki-84 comes out, ok?
Did I say the world may end?
:D
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I would fly to survive whether any data was kept whatsoever. It's a role-playing/immersive feel thing, it has nothing to do with numbers of any kind. The numbers are just a concrete way to assess, after the fact, how successfull at 'role-playing' you were without having to guess....
Zazen
Ok I accept that , not for me to dispute/discuss your motive , that's your business,
But that wasn't the point I was making anway.
The arenas seem to have a lot more late-war/ fast/high / role-playing/ survivalist/only engage with massive adv/ types of pilots than they used to.
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Originally posted by Arlo
I've been to the P.I. ..... it takes alot to impress or shock me. ;)
Alright, I'll nibble. The P.I.?
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Originally posted by Arlo
I still say there's room for more arenas in Aces High. Yeah .... the common retort is that it'll "fragment the community more" and yadda.
But wait! The community is already fragged! We gots peoples tellin us here that they's gots ta be rooks 24/7 for the rest of their life or the world will end. We gots peoples tellin us here that they's GOTS to drive the pony or the world will end! We gots peoples here sayin' that they GOTS ta fly in the main arena or the world will end! We gots peoples tellin' us that theys GOTS ta pork or the world will end! They's GOTS ta milk of the world will end! They's GOTS ta just furball `tween two bases that are 30 seconds apart from each other or the world will end!
It will end because they'll quit!
Sounds kinda fragged already.
Pacific pilots could use their own Aces High playground 24/7.
I'm serious.
The world may end.
Screw da rest.
Heh .... just kiddin' Don't screw da rest.
But build the Pacific Combat 24/7 theater when the Ki-84 comes out, ok?
Did I say the world may end?
:D
Well i'm trying to do my bit for diversity Arlo
Bit of MA , bit of CT , bit of DA , if you get your PA , I'll try that as well.
I fly a bit of TnB , bit of E-fighting , fly to survive one day , furball like crazy the next
When the f6-f's ENY'ed out of the main , Iv'e flown P40's spits , 109's it's all good.
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Once you've seen a donkey show while soused to the gills on mojo in one of the Barrio Barreto district bars, it takes alot to revolt, impress or entertain you. P.I. = Phillipine Islands.
"It'll ruin you for life, sailor ... are you ready for that?"
"Hell yeah, chief!"
"Just what I wanted to hear!"
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Originally posted by Redd
Ok I accept that , not for me to dispute/discuss your motive , that's your business,
But that wasn't the point I was making anway.
The arenas seem to have a lot more late-war/ fast/high / role-playing/ survivalist/only engage with massive adv/ types of pilots than they used to.
I'll take your word for it, although my personal experience tells me otherwise. The first ones to die by my hand are always the ones that fly the most 'un-realistically' (ie: they get low and slow in whatever plane in my prescence). The last, least likely ones to die by my hand are those that are also flying to survive, that are flying smart, like Lazerus in his Ta-152 last night for example . I am more successfull as a survivalist pilot today than I was 6 months ago, or a year ago. That tells me there is little difference whatsoever in the breakdown of fighter pilot's styles over time, either that or I'm getting alot better at it in relatively short periods of time, which I find highly unlikely as long as I have been playing WW2 Combat Flight Sims.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Redd
Well i'm trying to do my bit for diversity Arlo
Bit of MA , bit of CT , bit of DA , if you get your PA , I'll try that as well.
I fly a bit of TnB , bit of E-fighting , fly to survive one day , furball like crazy the next
When the f6-f's ENY'ed out of the main , Iv'e flown P40's spits , 109's it's all good.
Dammit, Redd ... you're a good man! Don't let anyone tell ya otherwise. Even John Wayne. Course he's dead ... and I doubt he'd tell ya that anyway.
I'll wing with you anyday, Maverick.
Don't ask me if I've been drinking cause here I'm a virtual officer and a virtual gentleman.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I'll take your word for it, although my personal experience tells me otherwise. The first ones to die by my hand are always the ones that fly the most 'un-realistically' (ie: they get low and slow in whatever plane in my prescence). The last, least likely ones to die by my hand are those that are also flying to survive, that areflying smart, like Lazerus in his Ta-152 last night for example . I am more successfull as a survivalist pilot today than I was 6 months ago, or a year ago. That tells me there is little difference whatsoever in the breakdown of fighter pilot's styles over time, either that or I'm getting alot better at it in relatively short periods of time, which I find highly unlikely as long as I have been playing WW2 Combat Flight Sims.
Zazen
Oh hell, Zaz ... fly what way makes ya happiest! But I'm tellin' ya. The service ceiling of a P-40B is 32,400 ft.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Did you get offended? Gonna even bother to ask yourself why or is it just easier to assume that I hate your guts or sumpin? Take a breath and read it all again. Pretend you're not even in the conversation. :D
Did I get offended? Lol, lets see you personally attacked me and my post (I know this because you quoted me in your earlier post), you resorted to name-calling and innuendo....yeah I got offended.
You don't even know me and yet you assumed what I did in the extra time I spent online....what was your exact quote? Oh yeah, "You were gonna log for the night but you saw a chance to screw your fellow rooks out of some rides so you stayed on and twiddled your fingers". Actually I spent the time wisely, flying goons and killing bish fields to help win the reset. You missed my point entirely. I did not want my logging to be construed by HT that the facist plan of Eny Limiting works by forcing me offline. So I didn't log. I kept playing, and for some small part I helped with the reset that shouldn't have happened. I wasn't the only one that felt this way and decided that this will be my form of protest. You may not like that or even understand it but I eagerly await your intelligent debate on why I am wrong. Don't use childish name-calling and bashing and then act like you didn't. You even expected to have your post removed because of the content
" p.s. Yeah .... I know ... this post has a very limited shelflife", remember that comment?
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Originally posted by Goobman
Did I get offended? Lol, lets see you personally attacked me and my post (I know this because you quoted me in your earlier post), you resorted to name-calling and innuendo....yeah I got offended.
You don't even know me and yet you assumed what I did in the extra time I spent online....what was your exact quote? Oh yeah, "You were gonna log for the night but you saw a chance to screw your fellow rooks out of some rides so you stayed on and twiddled your fingers". Actually I spent the time wisely, flying goons and killing bish fields to help win the reset. You missed my point entirely. I did not want my logging to be construed by HT that the facist plan of Eny Limiting works by forcing me offline. So I didn't log. I kept playing, and for some small part I helped with the reset that shouldn't have happened. I wasn't the only one that felt this way and decided that this will be my form of protest. You may not like that or even understand it but I eagerly await your intelligent debate on why I am wrong. Don't use childish name-calling and bashing and then act like you didn't. You even expected to have your post removed because of the content
" p.s. Yeah .... I know ... this post has a very limited shelflife", remember that comment?
Well ..... I seriously doubt that your logging would have been construed by HT at all, to tell ya the truth. Now if all the Rooks logged enmasse someone might have noticed the log and asked a question or two. How about that? How about the next time the Rooks are deprived of flying Lalas or 262s they all coordinate a mass logoff in protest?
Of course .... that would kill the ride availablility on the other sides pretty quick and some players from over there may not feel quite the revulsion you do about switching and maybe ... just maybe .... the arena would be able to continue on, albiet with lesser numbers. Besides ... Bish and Knits aren't nearly as coordinated as the rooks.
No wait ... on second thought, bad idea. I don't think HT would like it, either. No, I think you should continue on your present course of action and win the next seven camps flying P40bs in mass formations. I may even switch to rooks again and have fun with you doing it. Sounds like a blast to me.
So pardon me if my participation in this thread is merely for amusement's sake and absolutely none of my posts here effectively contest your well thought out plan of protest or even the reason for protest .... or offer opinions or suggestions on how to keep HTC from going bankrupt coddling to the side you don't belong to regarding this issue.
But I'll certainly apologize for offending you with my complete lack of tact and courtesy in my first post addressed to you. And I'm sure you feel the same way and we get along fine now (or I'll assume that until you say otherwise).
Carry on. I got your back.
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Originally posted by Arlo
I'll be the fat x-wing guy eatin' a BBQ chickenwing right before he he fails to check his six for the tie-fighter in the deathstar trench. But ... I will be wearing my robe and wizard hat.
Porkins
Always here for a helping hand Arlo :)
Anyone seen my pointy hat and robe... Arlo..... ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Dammit, Redd ... you're a good man! Don't let anyone tell ya otherwise. Even John Wayne. Course he's dead ... and I doubt he'd tell ya that anyway.
I'll wing with you anyday, Maverick.
Don't ask me if I've been drinking cause here I'm a virtual officer and a virtual gentleman.
Bah , have heard stories of you VF-17 guys emptying out the planes so you can haul in the beer ;)
Let's fly a hog sortie one day for old times sake :)
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Originally posted by Arlo
No wait ... on second thought, bad idea. I don't think HT would like it, either. No, I think you should continue on your present course of action and win the next seven camps flying P40bs in mass formations. I may even switch to rooks again and have fun with you doing it. Sounds like a blast to me.
So pardon me if my participation in this thread is merely for amusement's sake and absolutely none of my posts here effectively contest your well thought out plan of protest or even the reason for protest .... or offer opinions or suggestions on how to keep HTC from going bankrupt coddling to the side you don't belong to regarding this issue.
I was sort of thinking spit1's ,hurri 1's, stuka's, and a "Herd of goonies"
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Originally posted by Redd
Bah , have heard stories of you VF-17 guys emptying out the planes so you can haul in the beer ;)
Let's fly a hog sortie one day for old times sake :)
You got it. But don't expect me to fly it well. ;)
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
I was sort of thinking spit1's ,hurri 1's, stuka's, and a "Herd of goonies"
I'm flexible. Well ... virtually speakin'.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I'll take your word for it, although my personal experience tells me otherwise. The first ones to die by my hand are always the ones that fly the most 'un-realistically' (ie: they get low and slow in whatever plane in my prescence). The last, least likely ones to die by my hand are those that are also flying to survive, that are flying smart, like Lazerus in his Ta-152 last night for example . I am more successfull as a survivalist pilot today than I was 6 months ago, or a year ago. That tells me there is little difference whatsoever in the breakdown of fighter pilot's styles over time, either that or I'm getting alot better at it in relatively short periods of time, which I find highly unlikely as long as I have been playing WW2 Combat Flight Sims.
Zazen
I'm always keen to learn new tips and techniques. Could you send me a film sometime of a typical sortie , wouldn' t mind seeing how's done by someone with your experience
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Originally posted by Redd
I'm always keen to learn new tips and techniques. Could you send me a film sometime of a typical sortie , wouldn' t mind seeing how's done by someone with your experience
hope your hard drive has enough storage space.
:D
or you have enough coffee.
:p
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Originally posted by Redd
I'm always keen to learn new tips and techniques. Could you send me a film sometime of a typical sortie , wouldn' t mind seeing how's done by someone with your experience
Better yet, come Rooks for a day, .join my plane and watch the show.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Shane
hope your hard drive has enough storage space.
:D
Yea, my 27 minute fighter runs in Typhoon are really memory intensive. :rolleyes:
Zazen
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you bet.... ah films can get quite bloated for a relatively small amount of time filmed.
3-4 mins of film can run almost a mb. then when you send them, even zipped, there's transmittal bloat/overhead that can run as high as 10-15% of the base film (zipped) size.
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Originally posted by Shane
you bet.... ah films can get quite bloated for a relatively small amount of time filmed.
3-4 mins of film can run almost a mb. then when you send them, even zipped, there's transmittal bloat/overhead that can run as high as 10-15% of the base film (zipped) size.
I've never really noticed, I have two 240 Gig HD's in RAID, HD space is not really an issue for me. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Better yet, come Rooks for a day, .join my plane and watch the show.
Zazen
A film would be better, because I've been suffering really bad insomnia lately and I've tried books , but they don't work.
I thought if I could watch one of your films it might just help me nod off ;)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I've never really noticed, I have two 240 Gig HD's in RAID, HD space is not really an issue for me. ;)
Zazen
Things change. You don't film every flight do you? I made that mistake once. I still film way too much. Dunno why I bother now. Screenshots from the external filmviewer suck.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Things change. You don't film every flight do you? I made that mistake once. I still film way too much. Dunno why I bother now. Screenshots from the external filmviewer suck.
Arlo
Speaking of things I wished I had on film - do you remember that exchange the other night
Two guys talking about how high their IQ was
one says
"I used to be in Mesna , but I left because the government was tracking me - they do that you know"
Funny on so many levels I was in tears
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Originally posted by Arlo
Things change. You don't film every flight do you? I made that mistake once. I still film way too much. Dunno why I bother now. Screenshots from the external filmviewer suck.
I only film my flights if there is a premier enemy or friendly pilot in my vicinity I wish to 'observe', in that case I film the entire mission and save it to my film library archive for educational purposes.
Zazen
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Actually .. hehe ... I think I turned the film on either shortly before or shortly after we started laughing privately about it. :lol
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Originally posted by Redd
Arlo
Speaking of things I wished I had on film - do you remember that exchange the other night
Two guys talking about how high their IQ was
one says
"I used to be in Mesna , but I left because the government was tracking me - they do that you know"
Funny on so many levels I was in tears
Hot tip about people who spout off their IQ's. If they were THAT smart they wouldn't do it and are undoubtedly completely FoS. ;)
Zazen
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I think that tip got cold for me and Redd many moons ago ... but thanks. :)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Hot tip about people who spout off their IQ's. If they were THAT smart they wouldn't do it and are undoubtedly completely FoS. ;)
Zazen
Now what would have made me think of the "mesna" conversation while reading this thread ... let me see ... yes people who spout off about their own abilities are usually completely FoS - that was it ;)
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Fuggin hilarious, its MENSA.
Geez
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Fuggin hilarious, its MENSA.
Geez
Have you read HiTech's posts? I think correcting spelling mistakes on this BBS is grounds for subscription suspension. ;)
Forum Rule #15: Du knot corekt otherz speling mistaces or ewe will receeve 30 lashez with mi kat O' Nyne Tales!
Zazen
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Fuggin hilarious, its MENSA.
Geez
well it tickled my funnybone at the time , claiming to be in mensa, but not knowing how to spell it , it turned very funny - black helicopters, gov't spying ... anyway maybe you had to be there ;)
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I don't fly much,,,,,,post even less,,,,,,,,,,don't care much for any "country"......
LOL
I'll give Arlo and Hornet a S! tho
Arlo because he shows the silliness of the matter(and because I flew with him "1" night......lol)
Hornet because he just makes sense.....good sense!
S!
Bingo
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I believe that placing limits on a game is paramount to saying your players are idiots and cannot control themselves. I prefer a different format, and frankly, if in fact the players cannot control themselves, then the community is far worse off than an eny enforcement will ever solve.
ROFL: You meen things like.
Kill shooter.
Protect Objects.
bomb arming delay.
Time limit on changing sides.
Text monitoring.
Yep with out any controls things just always work out.
HiTech
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Would have been a great hit, had the quote been taken in context of the 200+ replies in this post.
But I see your point, there has to be "some" controls from a game dev's point of view. Some people will always be on the wrong side of that decision, as a decision by it's nature means a choice between opposing views must happen.
"Kill shooter.
Protect Objects.
bomb arming delay.
Time limit on changing sides.
Text monitoring."
Never once mentioned that I saw. I didn't expect you to weigh in on this discussion, as everyone is clear on your position via what you built into the game. I personally think that if you were going to weigh in, it would have been more along the lines of how the above mentioned "examples" compare in any way to limiting the ability to log in and grab a plane we were expecting to grab, and having it unavailable artificially due to someones idea of fairness.
Personally, if another team doesn't want you to fly B-17s, then you make a B-17 Factory as a target. Same with La7s, set them as strats and take out objectives. Pull the Quick Strike type planesets back from the frontlines or tie them to stretched resourses or something that can affect the gameplay.
If the B17 factory gets demolished, the affected side has to chose to either expend resourses rebuilding the factory, or fly another bomber. Choice, not penalty. The attackers of that B17 factory have to really want it down though, as the effect would be so great. Make it so an orchestrated raid would be required, not some milkrunning porker having the ability to shut something down. Force gameplay, don't force limits. There are far better ways to make this a strategic effort as opposed to simply a penalty for numbers. You can't solve a "perceived" problem in a complicated strategic game with a simple solution of artificially limiting gameplay. You have some great talent in your dev group. I'm sure you can come up with something better than that.
And I stick to my comment that you quoted.
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Originally posted by ROCrats
Would have been a great hit, had the quote been taken in context of the 200+ replies in this post.
But I see your point, there has to be "some" controls from a game dev's point of view. Some people will always be on the wrong side of that decision, as a decision by it's nature means a choice between opposing views must happen.
"Kill shooter.
Protect Objects.
bomb arming delay.
Time limit on changing sides.
Text monitoring."
Never once mentioned that I saw. I didn't expect you to weigh in on this discussion, as everyone is clear on your position via what you built into the game. I personally think that if you were going to weigh in, it would have been more along the lines of how the above mentioned "examples" compare in any way to limiting the ability to log in and grab a plane we were expecting to grab, and having it unavailable artificially due to someones idea of fairness.
Personally, if another team doesn't want you to fly B-17s, then you make a B-17 Factory as a target. Same with La7s, set them as strats and take out objectives. Pull the Quick Strike type planesets back from the frontlines or tie them to stretched resourses or something that can affect the gameplay.
If the B17 factory gets demolished, the affected side has to chose to either expend resourses rebuilding the factory, or fly another bomber. Choice, not penalty. The attackers of that B17 factory have to really want it down though, as the effect would be so great. Make it so an orchestrated raid would be required, not some milkrunning porker having the ability to shut something down. Force gameplay, don't force limits. There are far better ways to make this a strategic effort as opposed to simply a penalty for numbers. You can't solve a "perceived" problem in a complicated strategic game with a simple solution of artificially limiting gameplay. You have some great talent in your dev group. I'm sure you can come up with something better than that.
And I stick to my comment that you quoted.
I totally agree with this poster.
The easy, most expedient route has been taken and worse yet, even it doesn't really work. There are far more creative ways to approach this entire issue, all it requires is a little thought, some new code and the desire to take the road less travelled rather than the easy way out. In fact, a creative appraoach could not only solve the problem you want to solve but actually expand the whole dynamic of MA gameplay rather than curtail it. There is already a basic strategic framework in place for implimentations of this sort that could easily be modified to both enhance gameplay options and mitigate numerical disparities in one fell swoop.
Zazen
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Your right Zazen, Im neither creative nore do I give anything any thougt. Btw nice flame in disguise.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
Your right Zazen, Im neither creative nore do I give anything any thougt. Btw nice flame in disguise.
HiTech
HiTech, you are being overly sensitive, this is not a flame of any sort. It is constructive crticism with one aim only, to provide you with the basis for some 'alternate' solutions to problems you may have perhaps overlooked, ignored and/or disregarded for various hitherto unknown reasons.
We both have the exact same objective, we are not at odds, we are both actually working to achieve the exact same end. That is the most enduring success possible for HTC's one and only marketable commodity, Aces High II.
Zazen
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Not being over sensitive Zazen but It apears to me when your argument isn't working, you change the argument to HiTech just needs to think more creativly.
I also disagree we have the same goal.
You have other goals than HTC.I do not belive your goal is to make AH the MOST fun for the MOST people. I belive your goal is to make it the most fun for you. While you might belive your goal is the same as mine, they realy are different.
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Originally posted by hitech
Not being over sensitive Zazen but It apears to me when your argument isn't working, you change the argument to HiTech just needs to think more creativly.
I also disagree we have the same goal.
You have other goals than HTC.I do not belive your goal is to make AH the MOST fun for the MOST people. I belive your goal is to make it the most fun for you. While you might belive your goal is the same as mine, they realy are different.
I'm not sure how you can read what myself and the poster I quoted above and come up with that erroneous conclusion. Adding strategic elements to the game that goes beyond its current scope to encompass elements that would have a direct and postitive impact on gameplay balance and more diverse and interesting ramifications on numerical disparities is ALL ABOUT MAKING AH MORE FUN FOR MORE PEOPLE.
How, curtailing options based solely on one, isolated set of raw data that to, put it very generously, has a very limited effect on numerical disparities and little if any positive effect on gameplay option serves to make AH fun for more people is beyond my understanding and that of a good portion of your paying customers.
What we are offering you is possibly tenable solutions to an impediment to our joint goal of 'democratizing' the fun-factor that do not necessarily entail gameplay restrictions, but rather uses gameplay enhancements both in terms of scope and breadth of design to achieve that very end in a way potentially much more amicable and interesting way to a much broader portion of your clientele, actual and potential.
I really have no 'personal' motive to forward any agenda or idea over another. I, personally, will have fun and be successfull regardless of whatever gameplay restrictions you arbitrarily impose. However, that is not true of the vast majority of your paying customers, they are paying a heavier price for your expedient, stop-gap measures, undoubtedly losing a good many of them as customers/revenue permanently.
Zazen
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Zazen: Althow I agree with your phisphical statement, I do not belive the suggestion put forth fufill the the requirements.
I.E. You jump to the conclusions that the ideas put forth meet the requirements, and make for better game play. In most of the ideas put forth I do not agree with that assesment.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I totally agree with this poster.
The easy, most expedient route has been taken
Zazen
actually, the easiest route would have been to simply throw in code that blows everyone up and locks them in the tower everytime the sides are uneven, and keep em there till it even outs.
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ROFL ...Zaz, bought ya a new dictionary, huh? :rofl
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True story :P
I upped my la7 from a capped field (figured i'd take advantage of current eny situation) to kill the 7 goons ib. A pack of 10 spit 1's jumped me from a 5k alt advantage after i dodged the 5 tbm's vulching. I made my way to the goon's despite a wall of .303 lead trailing me...only to have a ju87 and 4 other p40's cherrypick me while making a pass on the one goon i could get to. The goon driver turned into me and rammed me. "Fear the P40!!!!!!" was typed on ch.200 by a gloating , highly skilled "real pilot" who sprayed my wreckage despite a great ditch by me. Oh well. The rooks should be congratulated for winning despite the eny value handicap. wtg.
Made a post on this real story but my title wasnt interesting enuff. Should of called it "Oh my god look at this hacker!" or something.
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That story would be believable except for one thing. C47's have too high an ENY ... you would have seen JN-4 Jenny's in a formation - with the troops riding on the wings and jumping off as the biplane made a slow, low-level pass on the city.
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Hitech,
This ENY change was pure genius. You have raised the bar on conversation threads. Now I look forward to reading the BBS.:) I hope when it gets boaring again you'll make another change to keep em complaining. Thanks for all of this fun.:aok
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Originally posted by hitech
Zazen: Althow I agree with your phisphical statement, I do not belive the suggestion put forth fufill the the requirements.
I.E. You jump to the conclusions that the ideas put forth meet the requirements, and make for better game play. In most of the ideas put forth I do not agree with that assesment.
explain the requirements in non-coder english, and let's see what we can come up with then. just an idea... :)
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How bad were the ENY disbalements? like 40 or something?
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Originally posted by 2shad4u
How bad were the ENY disbalements? like 40 or something?
I'm not sure what number it maxed out at, but it was very close to 40 if not exactly that. I noticed we weren't allowed to fly:
B-17s, B-26s (Lancs were available, though :rolleyes: :lol)
Panzers, Ostis, Tigers
P-51Ds
P-38s
I heard complaints that F4Us and some Jugs weren't available.
Also, heard that Spits, Lalas, A-20s...ehhh...a lot of stuff was grounded/locked.
I'm honestly surprised that we Rooks won the reset with what we had. :lol The mere fact that SO many Rooks were pissed off & decided to stay online until we could win the reset - possibly in protest of the ENY-L - was what made the difference.
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lol thats insane cant imagine trying to cap a field...........wish i could have been there to raise ENY up more but had no power for along time
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Originally posted by hitech
Zazen: Althow I agree with your phisphical statement, I do not belive the suggestion put forth fufill the the requirements.
I.E. You jump to the conclusions that the ideas put forth meet the requirements, and make for better game play. In most of the ideas put forth I do not agree with that assesment.
I respect our opinion, I do not agree with it. But, I can respect it. Let us just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Obviously, continuing in this fashion is not going to change your tack. Hopefully it has given you some food for thought for future design change implimentations. All things considered I am a huge fan of your company and your product. I am of the opinion you have made some blunders with regard to limitations rather than enhancements as they effect gameplay. But, that is just my opinion.
The fact remains I will continue to pay you $30/month (me and my wife's accounts) until I die, the end of time, or your corporation is no longer a viable business entity. I have referred many subscribers to this product, as has my wife, and we will continue to do so. All I ask is that you remain open-minded to the opinions and ideas of others and not make the mistake of your predecessors and become so deeply infatuated with your own limited viewpoint that you fail to to see more gandiose and creative solutions to problems that encompass the 'big' picture as well as satisfy your short and long-term gameplay objectives.
Peace!
Zazen
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Originally posted by Jackal1
ROFL ...Zaz, bought ya a new dictionary, huh? :rofl
No, Jackal, I was just a 'career' University student during my 20s when I was suffering from major health problems. I've written more essays and research papers than any PhD. ;)
Zazen
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Unless I am gravely mistaken the goal in question is to, more or less, even the fighting chances of all players so that as many players as possible can have fun in the game that they all pay for.
Now, making plane factories that can be destroyed to remove that plane type from the enemy does not accomplish this. Quite the contrary, it worsens the situation as the country with high numbers will have a significantly easier time both destroying the lower number country's aircraft factories and resupplying their own aircraft factories. The end result is that the outnumbered country(s) end up defending against La-7s and P-51Ds using Spit Is and C.202s. The situation becomes more lopsided than had nothing been done.
Personally I've always liked the factory idea, but it does not work in the context of the MA. The variant I had thought up was a neutral country that owned the factories and sold the the Bish/Knit/Rooks. If the factory was destroyed all sides lost access to it. However that does not work in conjunction with the ENY limiter.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Unless I am gravely mistaken the goal in question is to, more or less, even the fighting chances of all players so that as many players as possible can have fun in the game that they all pay for.
Now, making plane factories that can be destroyed to remove that plane type from the enemy does not accomplish this. Quite the contrary, it worsens the situation as the country with high numbers will have a significantly easier time both destroying the lower number country's aircraft factories and resupplying their own aircraft factories. The end result is that the outnumbered country(s) end up defending against La-7s and P-51Ds using Spit Is and C.202s. The situation becomes more lopsided than had nothing been done.
Personally I've always liked the factory idea, but it does not work in the context of the MA. The variant I had thought up was a neutral country that owned the factories and sold the the Bish/Knit/Rooks. If the factory was destroyed all sides lost access to it. However that does not work in conjunction with the ENY limiter.
What if the lowest numbered countries' factories become immune to damage if they are outnumbered by X percent?
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I've written more essays and research papers than any PhD. ;)
Zazen
Well hoss, I think ya topped all of that a few posts up. lmao
I`m digging out my hip waders before I read another one of them loads. :D
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Well hoss, I think ya topped all of that a few posts up. lmao
No, doubt, I enjoy writing, I write short-stories and have written a few novels just for my own personal amusement.
Zazen
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with your own limited viewpoint that you fail to to see more gandiose and creative solutions to problems
Zazen: The ENY idea wasn't mine in the first place, just pointing this out to show you that there is no need to fret on me thinking my ideas are always the best.
But what I will never do is implement somthing that I belive will not work just to try it out. The things I'll try are things im not sure if they will work or not. Or the things that I'm fairly confiandent will work.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
Zazen: The ENY idea wasn't mine in the first place, just pointing this out to show you that there is no need to fret on me thinking my ideas are always the best.
But what I will never do is implement somthing that I belive will not work just to try it out. The things I'll try are things im not sure if they will work or not. Or the things that I'm fairly confiandent will work.
HiTech
That's great, I appreciate that. You, probably more than anyone, realise one deeply flawed design change implimentation with profound ramifications on the dynamics of gameplay has the potential to be the death knell for this product. Your post puts my mind somewhat at ease that you, at the very least, are aware of the risks you are taking when making changes of this nature. I will defer to your good judgement, as I have always done for the future. Just please remain open-minded and continue to entertain possibilites that seek to enhance gameplay options rather than curtail them. That is practically the definition of 'growth' as it pertains to product development.
Zazen
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Originally posted by hitech
Or the things that I'm fairly confiandent will work.
HiTech
Yea, yea...like that avatar. It works. :D
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Originally posted by Zazen13
What if the lowest numbered countries' factories become immune to damage if they are outnumbered by X percent?
Zazen
I don't think this would work. In the first place the outnumbered side has a highly difficult time launching successful strategic strikes. This is true both due to the difficulty of pulling enough people off the front to fly the bombers and in getting those bombers through to the target against the heavy opposition.
In the second place once a country is down to it's last few fields it has no chance at all of launching such a strike and that is when it most needs to reduce the enemy fighter capability.
In the end I think it would be a bandaid that did nothing but allowed people to feel that there was an option that just wasn't being utilized by the underdog. It wouldn't change anything done the way you describe.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I don't think this would work. In the first place the outnumbered side has a highly difficult time launching successful strategic strikes. This is true both due to the difficulty of pulling enough people off the front to fly the bombers and in getting those bombers through to the target against the heavy opposition.
In the second place once a country is down to it's last few fields it has no chance at all of launching such a strike and that is when it most needs to reduce the enemy fighter capability.
In the end I think it would be a bandaid that did nothing but allowed people to feel that there was an option that just wasn't being utilized by the underdog. It wouldn't change anything done the way you describe.
What if the disabling 'strats' were also tied to individual zones or even particular fields (large airfields for instance) rather than being away from the front lines at some remote location deep within enemy territory? This would give bombers a very crucial and interesting role that would not necessitate 4 hours of flight time, time that could be spent on the front lines.
Think outside the box, don't just think of grafting AW's system into AH, get creative. There is a solution that can work, we must just work together to 'iron' it out.
Zazen
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Zazen,
I'm not trying to put out the fire, just pointing out issues.
I would very much like to see a core level change to gameplay, but I think it is a separate issue from the side balancer. I don't think the two things can be rolled into one issue.
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dammit, Karnak. your signature gave me the hee-bee-jee-bee's. :D :lol
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Originally posted by Karnak
Zazen,
I'm not trying to put out the fire, just pointing out issues.
I would very much like to see a core level change to gameplay, but I think it is a separate issue from the side balancer. I don't think the two things can be rolled into one issue.
Sure they can, I have about 15 ideas that would do just that. The only thing I don't know is how programing-time intensive they may be. I am growing weary of getting picked apart by thread vulchers however, so I will just contact HiTech directly with my ideas and see where that leads.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Sure they can, I have about 15 ideas that would do just that. The only thing I don't know is how programing-time intensive they may be. I am growing weary of getting picked apart by thread vulchers however, so I will just contact HiTech directly with my ideas and see where that leads.
Zazen
If you censor the audience that may be affected by these ideas, though, your plans might just become another ENY fiasco. I mean to say that our input would help.
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
If you censor the audience that may be affected by these ideas, though, your plans might just become another ENY fiasco. I mean to say that our input would help.
I will leave it up to HiTech to 'publicize' my ideas anonomously if he deems them worthy of public debate. I think alot of my ideas, concepts and thoughts are being attacked on the basis of me being the poster and not so much on the basis of the worth, value or substance of the posts themselves. Not by everyone mind you, just by a VERY VOCAL FEW who have 'personal' issues with me that have nothing whatsoever to do with whatever the actual topic of discussion is at hand.
I even contemplated making another BBS identity just for the purpose of forwarding ideas without having to contend with the 'anti-Zazen" bias. But, my particular writing style and mode of expression would be too easily recognizable. I agree that under normal circumstances public debate over potential gameplay development concepts is preferable. But, in my particular and unique case I believe the public forum is actually a detriment to my ideas and the communities' well-being as a whole. I will be communicating my concepts to HiTech directly from this point forward and leave the decision of whether or not to bring them to the public forum for further discussion up to him.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Karnak
I would very much like to see a core level change to gameplay, but I think it is a separate issue from the side balancer. I don't think the two things can be rolled into one issue.
TOD!
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If the Bishops or the Knights insist on playing in a military game, but don't want to orgainize in a military fashion, then they will continue to get slaughterd.
Personaly, I don't care if I am on the winning side or not. I do want to fly what I like when I like. I think I have paid for that.
My squadron, the Skyknights, specialize in heavy bomber operations. Our squad night is Sunday, and has been so for a number of years. For the last year of so real life has relegated me to flying only once a week.
When eny denies us our B17's, then it detracts from our enjoyment.
Simply put, if winning resets is important to you, then organize. If not, then fly and fight. If bases at the front are porked or capped, then up from the rear.
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
dammit, Karnak. your signature gave me the hee-bee-jee-bee's. :D :lol
How so? It is simply a death haiku.
Waffle,
No, I prefer free form where I can fly what I want without waiting half an hour or so.
I'd like to see the game move away from airfield capture and towards territory capture with airfields simply being part of the terrain captured.
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Originally posted by 2Slow
If the Bishops or the Knights insist on playing in a military game, but don't want to orgainize in a military fashion, then they will continue to get slaughterd.
Personaly, I don't care if I am on the winning side or not. I do want to fly what I like when I like. I think I have paid for that.
My squadron, the Skyknights, specialize in heavy bomber operations. Our squad night is Sunday, and has been so for a number of years. For the last year of so real life has relegated me to flying only once a week.
When eny denies us our B17's, then it detracts from our enjoyment.
Simply put, if winning resets is important to you, then organize. If not, then fly and fight. If bases at the front are porked or capped, then up from the rear.
What makes you think that the ENY disabler has anything to do with resets ? It has to do with balance, which does not directly correlate to reset.
I could care less who wins the "war", but I do care about always having to face mobs of late war monsters by the over-populated side.
I thought there were more bombers in the game than the B-17 .
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Originally posted by 2Slow
Personaly, I don't care if I am on the winning side or not. I do want to fly what I like when I like. I think I have paid for that.
Solution: switch sides.
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Originally posted by 2Slow
Personaly, I don't care if I am on the winning side or not. I do want to fly what I like when I like.
In that case switch to the country that allows B17s - there will ALWAYS be one country that has the least numbers - there you can fly the 17s you love
Acetnt
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Originally posted by acetnt367th
In that case switch to the country that allows B17s - there will ALWAYS be one country that has the least numbers - there you can fly the 17s you love
Acetnt
phookat - man you were fast on that reply :-)
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Originally posted by acetnt367th
In that case switch to the country that allows B17s - there will ALWAYS be one country that has the least numbers - there you can fly the 17s you love
Acetnt
Making an entire squadron of people switch sides isn't always a viable option. (I swear...this game must be full of loners :lol ) Country swapping brings up a lot of adverse opinions, emotions, etc.
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Here's how it works in simple terms:
"Goober one to Goober squad. We've become nothing but a huge horde over here and that means we'll probably spend more time having our kills stolen or killshooting ourselves on a 'friendly' that decided we needed 'help' than we actually will getting to shoot and kill something.
Also we can't fly our beloved D ponies right now and that just plain suxxors.
We've been flying on this side for 128 years straight without switching so the 12 hour mora ... mora .... limit on switching shouldn't affect any of us.
Why don't we put on some slacks for the night? Now I know that most of us don't actually know how to switch since part of our indocrination into the squad involved having 'switching is EVUL' tattooed on our foreheads and one of the general orders we memorized was that anyone caught in the o.c. was to be shot on sight .... but I'm sure if we asked someone on the other side they could tell us what button to push and if all of us pay really close attention we can manage to all switch to the same side.
I know it's a complicated process and it kinda intimidates me too ... but I'm actually getting aroused thinking about awakening a synapse or two.
So .... to keep you all from bruising your brains I'll pick the side with the lowest numbers, which should be the safest bet when it comes to getting to ride the D pony the rest of the night, and we'll all go into the o club and when we have someone explain what buttons to push to magically transport us over to the same side all together as a unit, then we'll take it step by step and get there together. Ya ready?"
Goober squad in unison: Could ya repeat the part aftuh "Goober one to Goober sqwad?"
;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Here's how it works in simple terms:
;)
:lol smart-ass :D
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Originally posted by phookat
Solution: switch sides.
Don't like 9/11?
Solution: switch sides.
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Arlo.... LMAO! :lol
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Originally posted by Vad
Don't like 9/11?
Solution: switch sides.
Easily confused by the difference between reality and a game?
Whine.
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Vad. Wrong thing to add, man. So don't get upset when you post disappears, ok? Just sayin'.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Vad. Wrong thing to add, man. So don't get upset when you post disappears, ok? Just sayin'.
Don't care about that, man.
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Originally posted by Vad
Don't like 9/11?
Solution: switch sides.
"I got it from Space Invaders in 1977."
"Aw, yeah. That was a pretty addictive video game."
"Video game?"
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Hey Guys, I didnt see 2 slow stomp his feet or anything.
He said it Detracts from their enjoyment when the B17 isnt availble.
He didnt say they wont fly other planes, He just said when they arnt there, its less fun.
Repeat..... Less Fun.
Side switching is not an easy thing for squads, probably even harder for Rook squads because they really enjoy flying together. Side Switching is less fun for many.
I also can see where some might find being outnumbered less fun as well. Personaly I think thats more fun ;)
FUN is a Key word here, Thats what we are all here for.
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Grimm,
So he should have his fun and the people on the perpetually outnumbered side should pay for a game that is never fun for them?
Look at and think about the big picture.
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Originally posted by Grimm
I also can see where some might find being outnumbered less fun as well. Personaly I think thats more fun ;)
FUN is a Key word here, Thats what we are all here for.
Yup, I all ready agree with that too. :)
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I think once this system is tweaked, and everyone gets used to it. Things will work out.
The other solution that can be considered that doesnt involve switching sides, and might give a better chance to fly the planes you want on SquadNights is this.
Consider changing your squad night to a different night. maybe a night that your country isnt nearly as strong.
This does help balance the arena as well, Your still flying for your favorite country, and your less likely to be effected by the balancer. Pretty much a win all the way around.
Hows that for big picture thinking ;)
{ps edit Also, if you dont be nice to 2slow, Flossy just might drop a bomb on your HQ... lol }
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Wow, and while all this was going on I was surrounded by hot chics at the river.
Surprised anyone was on with the holiday, I failed to ponder ENY in any shape or form. But I sure did ponder some niiiiiice shapes and forms.
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Originally posted by kj714
Wow, and while all this was going on I was surrounded by hot chics at the river.
Surprised anyone was on with the holiday, I failed to ponder ENY in any shape or form. But I sure did ponder some niiiiiice shapes and forms.
Yea, but did you get any? ;) :D
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Originally posted by Vad
Don't care about that, man.
You might ought to. It can be taken as very offensive by some of the people you want to be friends and play games with on the internet. I'm thinking you didn't understand the actual implications of your post. Meet me halfway here and pretend that's the case, at least. :D
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Originally posted by kj714
Wow, and while all this was going on I was surrounded by hot chics at the river.
Surprised anyone was on with the holiday, I failed to ponder ENY in any shape or form. But I sure did ponder some niiiiiice shapes and forms.
That was my Sunday Afternoon as well :)
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Originally posted by Karnak
Easily confused by the difference between reality and a game?
Yes, very easily. If you are ready to betray even in a game what are we talking about reality?
Another mentality. Sorry.
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Originally posted by Vad
Yes, very easily. If you are ready to betray even in a game what are we talking about reality?
Another mentality. Sorry.
Bad Vad. No Vad. ;)
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
Yea, but did you get any? ;) :D
Oooooh yeah, but wait, well it still counts even if she lives with me the rest of the time anyway. Duchess was looking good!
So who's winning this argument these days? I'm surprised it's had this long of a run to it, figured it would've ground to a stalemate and be forgotten by now. I give it a 10 for longevity, but I really miss the Beet1e days.
Summer's almost over, about time to start logging some real hours!
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Originally posted by Grimm
That was my Sunday Afternoon as well :)
Yeah, where at?
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I'd switch sides if it would help, but I don't see it. I'm a bish and as it is I just don't bother flying sundays nights. Rooks out number everyone. So I switch to knights, and I'm still getting ganged, or I switch to Rooks and fight with other rooks chasing down the one bogie in the area. So its no fun for me, and I can't see how it could possible be fun to be one of the "horde". I'm here to fly and fight, not get ganged, or hope I'm the one with the most "E" to get the bogie ahead of 8 other guys!
Is the ENY thing working, from a Bish stand point I think it is. No the numbers are not perfect, but they were never ment to be. Is it making people switch sides... I don't think so, nor will it. Will it make the Knights and/or Bishops get more organised, I don't think so, but the continued attack of a better organised force will finally get the job done.... the old "whack them up side the head till they get it" way of schoolin' :)
Ya the rooks are going to roll over the others awhile longer, no matter what is done, but it has only happened once since HTC started the ENY thing, coinsidance, maybe :)
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Originally posted by kj714
Oooooh yeah, but wait, well it still counts even if she lives with me the rest of the time anyway. Duchess was looking good!
So who's winning this argument these days? I'm surprised it's had this long of a run to it, figured it would've ground to a stalemate and be forgotten by now. I give it a 10 for longevity, but I really miss the Beet1e days.
Summer's almost over, about time to start logging some real hours!
This could have been a much better story if you had just left out that you didn't actually score with an 18 yr old virgin on the side. Still ... it's a much better hijack than Vad's. :aok
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Originally posted by Arlo
This could have been a much better story if you had just left out that you didn't actually score with an 18 yr old virgin on the side. Still ... it's a much better hijack than Vad's. :aok
I'll see if I can throw a pic or two up to round it out!
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I'll stand by to catch them before any possible forum rules violation eats them. Pics is good.:cool:
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Originally posted by kj714
Yeah, where at?
On the Mighty Mississippi :) It was a beautiful day for boating. plenty of bikini babes around.
Back to this Thread...
Here I am challanged to Think big Picture and I come up with a Win, Win situation and I dont even get a ataboy!
Well, I aint sharing any good Wisconsin beer then. ;)
Change your squadnight.
Still Fly for your favorite country
Help balance the numbers
Have a small chance of being unable to fly your favorite ride.
OK, Where is my cookie ;)
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I gotta say ... ATTABOY, GRIMM!
(GOOD Wisconsin beer, you say?) :D
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OK, Arlo you can have some.
Try some Leinenkugel's brewed in Chippewa Falls Wisconsin (by 73 people that care)
or Maybe some City Lager brewed in LaCrossse WI by City brewery (formerly G. Heilemen Brewery)
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Imported beer! Cool!
(Geez ... I thought you was actually gonna give me a beer, dammit! Not just give me some recommendations!)
Heh
:D
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Schedule of perk costs for each and every plane with an eny of less the 30 as well as giving each account free 300 perks and allowing noobies a free ride in perkies for say 3 to 6 months
This then makes it cost to fly good planes and even things out a little, maybe
Now other point, The whining.. well lets not diminish the fact the rook horde are like roaches in a wet cabinet full of food, J but that is a given and in keeping with Chi’s law … Don’t get made GET EVEN which means the Knight should go an massive HQ pork raids and Area porking of troops, vh’s DAR and the like. That can be done even if out numbered 3 to1… the point is, take the fight to the enemy. It can be done..
Also, a point to zazen.. your augments are lame… it’s not your game… its HT’s game and he runs it as he see’s fit. Now if you like how he runs the show, then pay the man his dough, but if you don’t like what he’s is doing, well, we live in America, and one of the ways you reward a bad product is voting with you wallet. There are two other Online combat Flight sims I know of and we all know were they are and what we can do if we don’t like HT’s Aces High world..
Now, if HT is smart he will make attempts to answer questions and try to keep happy most of the patrons of his game and keep their business at HT’s flight sim shop
Now for me I’m basically happy with the way things are. I think HT could do better to change the perk system a little in order to impose some virtual cost to some of the late war top end planes and to refine the Flight model and other improvements. But as the game stands it would seem to me he’s doing OK.
Now to my last point and basically a pet peeve with HT and bear it in mind I know HT don’t have to listen to me or ever care what I say but this is a discussion forum and this thought been on my mind and bugging me for awhile so I throw it out. It’s the issue of cheating. I fully understand that HT is trying to protect the integrity of the game and I appreciate it . But don’t insult the intelligences of people, many of whom the play the game work in the computer industry, ( I my self am a MS system admin) and the blanket statement that “there is no cheating.” It is not true. There is cheating, not very much of it but there is some and I have played this combat flight sim long enough (AH for about year now) to have seen evidence of it from time to time. Any game can be hacked, and to deny it can’t be done when it can be done is insulting (to HT… I can email you privately with an overview of how it can be done. Bear in mind, though I’m not a coder and the execution of the concept would take a little work but the concept is simple enough and given the stakes and emotions tied up in the game sometimes I know can be done ). Now my point is not to bash HT. On the contrary, I think, for the most part, this game gives me a great deal of pleasure and bang for the buck, and I salute and compliment HT for his vision. But I only bring this up as it would help my sense of right and wrong if HT would publish a black list of cheaters that have been caught. This would do two things, one, it will show HT is really watching for cheaters and punishing these low life slugs as it is appropriate. And second it would show more respect for the community at large that he is truly protecting the integrity of the game.
Some much for my ramblings and my 2 cents in the game
Chi
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Man a good thread shot to He** stand-by mother of all locks to hit this one real soon!:eek:
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In HT's good time, I'm sure. Hell, it's gone 6 pages while other threads got arrested in 6 postings.
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Originally posted by Goobman
Lets see.....eny limiter is suppose to force me to either switch sides or log off in frustration. Hmmm since I'm not going to do either, apparently it isnt working.
The ENY limiter isnt there to *force* you into doing anything. It's there to help maintain game balance. Players won't even the sides, so HiTech had to do something.
Changing sides is really no big deal, I have flown for all 3 countries in AH now. There are good people on all 3 teams. The first time I changed countries was from Bishop to Rook when Rookland ALWAYS had the least numbers. Shortly after I changed sides many others did too. I waited for a time before changing again to see if some of the others who had changed also would change back. That didnt happen so I changed again.
Just a thought.....if more people were concerned with keeping the numbers even HiTech wouldnt have had to implement the ENY limter.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Try thinking harder Zazen -
I know our squad and the AKs just to name a few, switched, then left AFTER the numbers swung the other way. So that makes at least 4 now, doesnt it, and I know theres more out there.
So please give some credit where credit is due, enough of this superior organization self ego stroking, without help you may well would still be in the bucket.
Any other squads who switched care to chime in here?
Re-read your post about your squad going from Bish to Rook Goobman. What was wrong with Knits?
Instead of helping the problem, you became part of the problem.
Armageddon moved to Rooks, but has since moved to Knights and merged with the +Nomads+
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Originally posted by Zazen13
There's no need to 'hard-code' solutions to gameplay player balance issues. Players balance themselves over time. The economics of finding good fights and human nature will alone achieve balance if left unmolested. When you start monkey'ing with individual freedom of choice and emotional attachements between friends you're playing with fire. HTC has the good fortune of being able to look back at a rich history of massively multi-player WW2 Combat Flight simulation's trials and tribulations when making game design decisions. HTC knows full well Airwarrior existed 3 times as long as AH has with the same population demographic just on a larger scale and was balanced perfectly for that entire duration by simply allowing complete and total individual freedom of choice. It works, it's been proven, why HTC chose to mess with something as fundamental as this when it works fine on its own if you are patient and allow it to naturally unfold is unfathomable.
Zazen
I played AirWarrior for a long long time. I played in every arena and for every team at one point or another. Every single arena had a team that consistentely had more numbers than the other 2....withhout exception.
I also recall people asking Gamestorm to do *something* about the numbers imbalance repeatedly. GS choose to do nothing.
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Originally posted by Vad
Don't like 9/11?
Solution: switch sides.
That was a completely inappropriate post imo, over 3000 INNOCENT people died that day.
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Originally posted by TheflyingElk
Man a good thread shot to He** stand-by mother of all locks to hit this one real soon!:eek:
I think Chi posted that message just to lock the thread. Glad his plan hasn't worked, so far. :)
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Originally posted by kj714
Wow, and while all this was going on I was surrounded by hot chics at the river.
I didn`t know the Tyson`s plants offered tours over the holidays. :D
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Edit for flame
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Chi I have never ever made the statement that there has never been cheating In AH. But that is the last thing Ill say on the topic.
And I strongly suggest you drop the topic. If you suspect anyone of cheating Email us and we will deal with it.
HiTech
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There's already an obvious solution to all of this in the works. It will appeal to all those interested in strategeries and history and those more on the simmer than the gamer side of the aisle.
Where is TOD in the scope of things being worked on by the staff?
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
There's already an obvious solution to all of this in the works. It will appeal to all those interested in strategeries and history and those more on the simmer than the gamer side of the aisle.
Where is TOD in the scope of things being worked on by the staff?
PLEASE, don't chage the subject to TOD. TOD isn't even a real, working product at this point. And, we're all stuck with the Main Arena...RIGHT NOW! :lol
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"I thought there were more bombers in the game than the B-17 ."
Yes there are. We do fly them when forced to or when the mission dictates.
Switching sides is not an option for us. We like the organized squads we now cooperate with.
The point of this entire thread was, Rooks won reset even with ENY. Conclusion, ENY did not work or we had a better military organization. I think it is the latter.
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Well, the topic is not how to do it… it is whether there is enforcement. For me, I would be curious? I think this is a reasonable question to ask?
So, is it not reasonable to ask how you deal with it. I would like to know if are you are really are looking over the logs and catching the cheaters out there?.
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To whom and were would I send such email if I though there was cheating???
Chi Town flyer
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Chit: Like I said I will not answere questions on this topic. Ill just state our policy.
Anyone found cheating is band from the system.
And once again I am even more strongly sugesting you drop this topic before you cross the line.
HiTech
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One last question.... and I really don't don't know this and you can answer it HT...
What Email address do I sent reports of
cheating
Thanks...
Chi as in Chi Town flyer
not Chit.. as in Dude speak for
brown log...
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support@hitechcreations.com
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Originally posted by hitech
Chit: Like I said I will not answere questions on this topic. Ill just state our policy.
Anyone found cheating is band from the system.
And once again I am even more strongly sugesting you drop this topic before you cross the line.
HiTech
Notice how HiTech spelled Chi above? Let's take a poll..
a) He mispelled it on purpose.
b) He mispelled it by accident.
c) He committed a Freudian slip by spelling it that way as subconsciously Chi disgusts him.
I vote C) :aok
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Notice how HiTech spelled Chi above? Let's take a poll..
a) He mispelled it on purpose.
b) He mispelled it by accident.
c) He committed a Freudian slip by spelling it that way as subconsciously Chi disgusts him.
I vote C) :aok
Zazen
The answer is "a."
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d: He could only rember the first few letters.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
d: He could only rember the first few letters.
HiTech
You actually added an extra letter. ;)
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"Chitownflyer" ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
"Chitownflyer" ;)
In his sig it's, Chi Town Flyer. Clearly, the conjunction of Chi with the T is an amusing misspell. ;)
Zazen
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I have been using that handle since AW 1996
Zazen your flame is weak and with out any imagination. Ad homium is so out of date.
Since your not one of the "olde onez" you would have trouble understanding the nature of the game.
You seem to advacate a "gamming the the game" aproach rather than playing with in the "spirt of the game"l.
For the others at large... I may not be the best but all the times I have been in the DA, I have only lost twice, one to a numb nut that I was having a bad night that night (sharkee) and some guy named
(Morphous (Sp)) The latter just GD good.
The other 15 or so that I remeber going to DA I kicked their fuzzy 6
Now not there are some that can out fly me, there is, but IMHO there is only a hand full that can... about a dozen or so.
Now Zazen I very much doubt you are in that dozen. Especially since you spend much of your flying time huddled in a GV or flying inside a large dark cloud or rook...
now go deal...
Chi
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Originally posted by Chitownflyer
I have been using that handle since AW 1996
Zazen your flame is weak and with out any imagination. Ad homium is so out of date.
Since your not one of the "olde onez" you would have trouble understanding the nature of the game.
You seem to advacate a "gamming the the game" aproach rather than playing with in the "spirt of the game"l.
For the others at large... I may not be the best but all the times I have been in the DA, I have only lost twice, one to a numb nut that I was having a bad night that night (sharkee) and some guy named
(Morphous (Sp)) The latter just GD good.
The other 15 or so that I remeber going to DA I kicked their fuzzy 6
Now not there are some that can out fly me, there is, but IMHO there is only a hand full that can... about a dozen or so.
Now Zazen I very much doubt you are in that dozen. Especially since you spend much of your flying time huddled in a GV or flying inside a large dark cloud or rook...
now go deal...
Chi
Chi, no offense but if you're so good, why do you get your butt kicked in the MA? Is it because you're actually not as good as you say you are or everyone else is cheating? :rofl As for myself, I never claimed to be a superior pilot, I can't fly worth a damn actually, I freely admit that. Any success I enjoy I owe entirely to an uncanny alacracrity for good timing and the ability to circumcise a gnat at 400 yards with my gunnery. I don't 'game' anything. I just do what I enjoy doing how I enjoy doing it, any 'stat'istical bonus that affords me is nothing more than an incidental by-product of this.
As for my pointing out HT's mispell, you bring that sort of thing upon yourself with your rediculously 'out of line' posts and your childish antics on channel 200 in the MA. Everyone in this thread was aghast that you even had the audacity to post such mindless blather. If you don't want to be the subject of jokes, don't play the fool.
Zazen
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"I don't 'game' anything."
Cough cough...
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Originally posted by GuyNoir
The eny-limiter goes in effect for one reason only: you are being unfair to the other sides. Don't then complain about it being unfair to you.
It isn't always a one sided ENY issue.... Seen many a night where two countries are in ENY hell while one is not. So it gets late.. and one country logs a bunch of fliers and suddenly two countries are in an ENY pinch.
Also ENY doesn't care how many bases anyone side controls. Let us not forget.... AH is really about grabbing land... not fair fights in the air etc. So you can have far fewer number of bases AND have the plane set limited as well.
There are too many dynamics involved in the numbers fluctuations. ENY can't address them all.
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Originally posted by GuyNoir
The eny-limiter goes in effect for one reason only: you are being unfair to the other sides. Don't then complain about it being unfair to you.
It isn't always a one sided ENY issue.... Seen many a night where two countries are in ENY hell while one is not. So it gets late.. and one country logs a bunch of fliers and suddenly two countries are in an ENY pinch.
Also ENY doesn't care how many bases anyone side controls. Let us not forget.... AH is really about grabbing land... not fair fights in the air etc. So you can have far fewer number of bases AND have the plane set limited as well.
There are too many dynamics involved in the numbers fluctuations. ENY can't address them all.
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Originally posted by Hornet
Except the demographic of the community has fundamentally changed from the type that populated AW's arenas.
There is too much emphasis in AH about "winning" the reset and less on creating good fights. What is very obvious is the overall degradation of the average individual's technical skills. This combination results in clumping, people don't want to achieve balance..they just don't want to die.
Good points Hornet but I disagree that folks don't want to die so they clump up. I think they clump to take territory. Last night I managed to find just about every uneven fight going. In each case I didn't find very many nme that were focuses purely on A2A fighting. Most were just trying to get over the airfield, strafe or bomb and then hang around shooting at anything that moved until they died. Not a clump together to survive sort of thing. As soon as things evened out at that point on the map... the horde just moved someplace else. It started all over again.
It is the land grab mentality that drives this.
Also.. A2A AH is more difficult than AW. So while in AW you might have average or less pilots trying to duke it out A2A... I don't think a lot even bother now. They just take off for the ground attack and vultch fest.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
To folks who played through that and overcame it, to now see other sides given a "free ride" when it's their turn in the pit will trigger the natural reaction to dig in. Why are these other people so special that they need to be spared, right?
We're talking human dynamics here.
-DoK
Rock on DOK !
I would hazard a guess on the answer. Back when Rooks were in the pit... not enough people voted with their feet... thus not enough impact on the "bottom line". Apparently this time around enough folks did.. or threatened to do so.
Are there any numbers anywhere that show how many people we lost in the migration to AH2?
If there was a loss of players... added to that loss would the loss or threatened loss of other accounts have a bigger impact?
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Originally posted by vorticon
actually, the easiest route would have been to simply throw in code that blows everyone up and locks them in the tower everytime the sides are uneven, and keep em there till it even outs.
That or you log in... and get assigned a side... when you get shot down or land... you get assigned a side...etc.
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Originally posted by 4510
Rock on DOK !
I would hazard a guess on the answer. Back when Rooks were in the pit... not enough people voted with their feet... thus not enough impact on the "bottom line". Apparently this time around enough folks did.. or threatened to do so.
Are there any numbers anywhere that show how many people we lost in the migration to AH2?
If there was a loss of players... added to that loss would the loss or threatened loss of other accounts have a bigger impact?
Dunno about all that ... but we've now got a situation which isn't likely what was expected. That is, odds haven't changed much and the Rooks are adapting to the ENY-restricted rides on Sundays (ph3ar the d11 and sbd!).
-DoK
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Yup, the D-11 is da bomb-diggity.
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Back when Rooks were in the pit... not enough people voted with their feet...
Yes they did ... they did not leave the game, but major squads and other took the initiative to move to the Rooks to help make a balance.
'Twas not the case this time ... why ? ... I can't figure it out, but had some taken the intiative again, the ENY disabler would not be in existence.
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Part of the problem from my perspective, as a predominantly CT player that is in an MA squad, is I dont know which side should be changed too. I never fly sunday nights so I dont see the RJO imbalance, but the rest of the week when I do fly the MA I dont see the Rooks as always the most numbers. Sometimes they do, sometimes the Bish do, sometimes the Knights do, and many times it swings back and forth over several hours. I honestly dont know which country my squad should change to from the numbers. I do know that for me personally, and I think the Hells Angels squad in general, like to fly in the style of the BK's and the 13th TAS (IE not base capture, but lowdown dirty furballing) both of which are Knights squads.
In any event, even when the Rooks do have numbers, I always seem to be able to find 5 Bish or Knights to fight by myself somewhere away from the horde. :)
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The only night I see Rooks with a serious numbers edge is Sunday. The rest of the time it's as you say - it sways back and forth with one side maybe having as many as 20 more than the weakest - but only for a couple hours.
But I'm looking forward to Sunday - hopefully reset this damn Baltic map with an Uberhordenbasenporkenbrewster buffaloenringen.
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I'm recommending to whatever squad I'm with in the MA to consider automatically switching to the side with the lowest numbers at the start of organized squad operations (be that after everyone is gathered in place and rollcall it taken - if the squad does that ... or just when the player with authority says "everyone switch to _____." Make it a rule that nobody in the squad switches for 12 hours prior to squad operations kickoff time.
Yes .... numbers fluctuate. I expect them to. But this accomplishes two things. Getting the squad together as a unit at the beginning of squad operations and promoting squad level arena balancing (which is tons easier to do in the highly populated MA than it is in the CT). If numbers flip the other way after the hop - oh well - the squad did it's best. If it's a regular thing it'll still end up working towards arena balance. If other squads do it too (certainly they'll have different days and times to log on - except the RJO thing) - then they'll make up for it.
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Just to clarify, that Sunday horde isn't an RJO. A lot of Rooks just happen to fly that night - with or without their squads.
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What about a new arena for squad duels (no...not squad ops). A small map with enough stuff for 2 competing squads to duke it out for a few hours...this might pull a couple squads from the MA on any given night & have a similar effect to Arlo's country swapping - without the dirty feeling. ;) :D j/k, Arlo.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Armageddon moved to Rooks, but has since moved to Knights and merged with the +Nomads+
And someday we may forgive you for that ;)
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Even though I've been pro-eny limiter in this thread, I'll agree that the numbers imbalance % should be way higher before the limiter kicks in and that total number of players should be higher before it kicks in.
Probably wouldn't hurt if the time limit before switching sides again was lowered as well. It might make spoiling carrier runs easier, but I bet it'd help to make switching to even the numbers seem like no big deal.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Goobman, the eny limiter isn't about reset. it is about an attempt at equalling numbers. resets still happen, but with the eny limiter you are giving the bish/knits a chance to fight back at the overwhelming horde. it is just keeping your large numbers down so in that sense yes it is working.
Why don't the Bish/Knits just show up on Sunday? Would be an uber fight!
ENY still sucks IMHO.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Yes they did ... they did not leave the game, but major squads and other took the initiative to move to the Rooks to help make a balance.
'Twas not the case this time ... why ? ... I can't figure it out, but had some taken the intiative again, the ENY disabler would not be in existence.
Two years rooks were outnumbered 95% of the time, so please do not try and make it out as if it worked itself out in short order. In this case a vocal few refused to stop annoying the hell out of HT, and so HT made a decision, that has created more of a problem than a solution.
Before ENY:
Rooks outnumbered Knights and Bishops on Sunday nights
After ENY
Rooks still outnumber Knights and Bishops on Sunday nights, and numerous players have canceled thier accounts or are considering doing so, and the entire community is disrupted, and in a general foul mood.
What did ENY fix again?
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Originally posted by 2Late4U
What did ENY fix again?
It does exactly what it's designed to do. Switch or use P-40bs to steamroll with. It's actually quite simple. It also ended up revealing exactly how stubborn some players can be.
"You're not the boss of me man and you're not so big! Life is unfair!"
;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
It does exactly what it's designed to do. Switch or use P-40bs to steamroll with. It's actually quite simple. It also ended up revealing exactly how stubborn some players can be."
;)
LOL, so its not about side balancing its all a master plan for Dales thesis "How to win friends an influence people"
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Originally posted by 2Late4U
LOL, so its not about side balancing its all a master plan for Dales thesis "How to win friends an influence people"
It's all about pissing you off, man. That's what it was intended to do all along. It was never about balancing the playing field by either getting players to start considering getting out of their comfy chairs and switching sides or, barring that, making them have to horde in early war planes. Nope. It was just to ruin the lives of those who're making excuses about why they can't switch. The optimum result hoped for was mass suicide. :lol
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Originally posted by 2Late4U
Rooks still outnumber Knights and Bishops on Sunday nights, and numerous players have canceled thier accounts or are considering doing so, and the entire community is disrupted, and in a general foul mood.
What did ENY fix again?
Yep, the ENY deal has popped the fun bubble for a lot of people, me included.
I still up the older heavy crates and try to get some flight time, but it certainly isn't as much fun as it use-to-was before ENY time.
I still think HiTech's idea about implimenting ENY the further you get from HQ, sounds like it might be a decent compromise.
The further you go into enemy territory, the more you get delayed, hotloading or flying your favorite ride from 100 or so miles away(20 min flight time in 51D). It doesn't balance the team numbers though. But, I don't believe anything imposed will balance the numbers.
The ENY system doesn't seem to have worked to move people to switch sides.
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I haven't logged on since Saturday, but it would be nice if Dale DISABLED ENY-L until a suitable fix is found.
(insert TOS violation here so that I know Dale has read this post. ;) err...maybe not)