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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DarkNet on September 06, 2004, 12:28:20 AM
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You can call this you want.
I started flying AH about a little over a year ago. Never flown a flight Sim before in my life. I had all making of a great Sim. Lots of planes to fly. Lots of targets to hit (which actually made a difference if you hit them or not). This made for strategic attacking. Which I think is fun. A lot of people do not so just shut up and let me continue.
AH2 comes out. My computer could handle it. I'm getting great FR. Gunnery changed. Big deal, just takes some getting used to. Added Skins.. Awesome. Now my squadies can fly our own plane. Towns are hardened up. I like this - makes for base takeovers to be a little tougher. "Strat" - what happen to this? The one thing that could stop an offensive dead in it tracks was taken away. Being a ROOK I hated this. But the BISH and KNITS were good at it. When they got rolling they could stop our HORD dead for sectors. We may not have liked it but it worked. So I thought it was a good feature. Strategic targets - Are there any more targets to hit that even make a difference. Why are they even in the game anymore except to build perks. Perk planes - I agree with this 100%. Makes ya have to work a little bit to fly uber planes. I think it works out nicely that they are cheaper for the weaker/losing sides. But now ENY plane limitation. The side(s) out-numbering the lowest team is now limited to the planes they can fly by the ENY value of the Plane and or Vehicle. Yes/No I agree and disagree in so many different ways. Personally my squad night is basically done. Hell I think most of my squad has packed up and left because of this. We fly P-51D's. Enough said. But on top of all of this ENY. The Weaker teams are still allowed to get all of the uber planes and at little to no cost. I mean if there going to take up the Uber planes against the ENY limited side at least make them pay a fair cost for them. I say if you’re going to take planes away because of ENY, start raising perk cost for the losing sides at the same time. Make them still have to work to fly the uber planes.
Well that's about it. I now give this to the rest of you to R&R over.
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Man you guys are spoiled. I would give anything(except my life or familys life...O and my virginity to a man Yuck) To play ah2. you guys are lucky while you guys play and having fun. I sitt here on the board reading all night long. Till I fall asleep wake up and do it again. I been doing it for a month. Lol My cable just got cut off to so now even worse. Man I would play ah2 if I only got 15fps(if it is playable).
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It's not a solution but more of a problem. Makes no difference to me, I fly early war stuff but it's gotta suck for Pony squads.
There is a better answer to be uncovered. I'd be patient, it will come out. What's it been a couple of weeks ??
It will work out.
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Maybe you should learn paragraph breaks.
to seperate thoughts and such.
makes reading on a minoter easire for all.
get the idea?
sry but i can't read that one long run on sentence stuff where there is no break in the thought and it just keeps going and going never breaking up the monotany and making it diffucult to follow line afte line going and going and just keeping the "rant" going getting more PO'd with the next word you type and not thinking a bit about who is going to read that big giagantic "paragraph" if you really want to call it that always wondering if you scroll down will there be a break in the lines so it is somewhat easier to read for the average person and get a simple statment of what is annoying the other player let alone a summization for the possible solution or at least and final comment on the "problem" to sum it up and let the reader decide if they want to read the whole entire post and understand the perspective of the complaintent.
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I bet .. historically ... alot of D pony squads flew the B pony first. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
I bet .. historically ... alot of D pony squads flew the B pony first. :D
Although this may be true, if a squad was build around the idea of flying ponies and that same squad wants to fly for Rook (or Bishop or Knight) exclusively, then the ENY thing hoses them up. I don't lame anyone for being ticked over this.
Just keep saying to yourself over and over: "We are paying for access to the arenas, not to specific planes."
(of course, I don't think I would be paying if there was nothing here I wanted to fly...hmmm, go figure)
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Originally posted by Blammo
Just keep saying to yourself over and over: "We are paying for access to the arenas, not to specific planes."
because it is true.
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you guys are wrong in the "paying for access to the arena's, not the plane set ."
We have the limited plane set in the CT and the SEA arena's for that .
In the MA i pay for the full planeset even though i have to pay in perks for the more exotic /uber rides .
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Roscoroo those arena's for those few who like that and pay. While true in a sense the CT is a whole different ball game. the ma is a mix of all countries the CT is a mix or 2 during a specific battle. you pay for arena access. you can not believe that if you, but as more evidence against you. you can go fly 75 planes in h2h. again that is just reinforcing my statement that you pay for arena access.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Roscoroo those arena's for those few who like that and pay. While true in a sense the CT is a whole different ball game. the ma is a mix of all countries the CT is a mix or 2 during a specific battle. you pay for arena access. you can not believe that if you, but as more evidence against you. you can go fly 75 planes in h2h. again that is just reinforcing my statement that you pay for arena access.
your not making any sense at all skull .
I myself pay to fly all the different planes in the MA . if i want the limited set i'll fly one of the other arena's ... do you get it yet or are you being so thick that you wont look at it from my point of view .
there is no evidence against me "Period"
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Actually HT web page -
"If at the end of the
trial period you decide not to subscribe, there is
nothing to cancel. You can continue to use your account
with our free 8-person multiplayer option without ever
paying us a cent."
Later on -
"An unlimited usage subscription is US $14.95 per month."
Obviously the first part relates to the arena, the next part taken in the context of the rest of the site obviously also refers to arena/game access and NOT individual planes, vehicles etc..
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Originally posted by jetb123
Man you guys are spoiled. I would give anything(except my life or familys life...O and my virginity to a man Yuck) To play ah2. you guys are lucky while you guys play and having fun. I sitt here on the board reading all night long. Till I fall asleep wake up and do it again. I been doing it for a month. Lol My cable just got cut off to so now even worse. Man I would play ah2 if I only got 15fps(if it is playable).
You should talk to skuzzy or at least post on the support forum about how your computer is set up. You should be getting 80fps with that rig. Did you install the lastest drivers for your vid card? Did you install directx 9? Something is wrong here.
-pellik
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I bet .. historically ... alot of D pony squads flew the B pony first.
that works great for a pony squad, what about a P-38 squad(like mine)?
i dont mind the new eny sys thingie, but it does get to me just a little when i cant fly the ONLY P-38 in the plane set. Im hoping they fix that though ;) .
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Actually HT web page -
"If at the end of the
trial period you decide not to subscribe, there is
nothing to cancel. You can continue to use your account
with our free 8-person multiplayer option without ever
paying us a cent."
Later on -
"An unlimited usage subscription is US $14.95 per month."
Obviously the first part relates to the arena, the next part taken in the context of the rest of the site obviously also refers to arena/game access and NOT individual planes, vehicles etc..
Unlimited to me means NOT limited, period. Usage means use of the planes and playing the game. Why on earth would I pay to come into an arena if it had no planes? The argument about arena acess holds no water. Unlimted usage is not what I'm getting for my $14.95
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Goobman : read the TOS
http://www.hitechcreations.com/frameset1.html?tos.html
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Always prefered the B model over a D or any other plane in the arena anyway. Sounds like fun. :D
...-Gixer
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I can't see why Mustang squadrons refuse to fly the B pony. To me it seems identical to P51D squadron refusing to fly it if HTC limits it to the 4 guns option only when areana numbers are unbalanced.
If you have a dedicated squadron and your plane gets blocked often during squad-times, you should consider changing sides (thus solving your personal problem and the areana balance at the same time).
P-38 and F6F have a real problem there. that's true. The bright side is this might bring early P38s variants quicker.
Bozon
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When they got rolling they could stop our HORD dead for sectors. We may not have liked it but it worked. So I thought it was a good feature. Strategic targets - Are there any more targets to hit that even make a difference.
try disabling troops and ordnance. disable V-hangars if it's a GV infestation.
killing the local dar helps too.
it doesn't stop the flow of planes, so furballers can have their fun. It does prevent your base from being captured, so strat players are happy. Strat does not nececerily mean ruining other's fun.
Bozon
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Originally posted by Arlo
I bet .. historically ... alot of D pony squads flew the B pony first. :D
That was a hard stretch Arlo ... :D
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Originally posted by killnu
that works great for a pony squad, what about a P-38 squad(like mine)?
i dont mind the new eny sys thingie, but it does get to me just a little when i cant fly the ONLY P-38 in the plane set. Im hoping they fix that though ;) .
Killn ... jump in the P-47-D25 ... its a BLAST !!!
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i know it is slap, flew it for that tour Frenchy had that award thingie. i did quite well in it. its just the principle of it. :(
its only affected me a couple times, and ive flown something else, moved along smartly. only said anything on squad channel.
~S~
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Darknet, why dont your entire squad switch to bish\knights ?
that solve 2 problems with 1 solution
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Obviously the first part relates to the arena, the next part taken in the context of the rest of the site obviously also refers to arena/game access and NOT individual planes, vehicles etc..
I'll say again, if there was nothing to fly (or nothing you wanted to fly) would you pay just to "access the arena"? Of course not and that is my point. For a lot of people, this makes this difference between logging on and logging off. For still others it makes the difference between staying or going.
Of all the options that are available, this ENY balance system is probably not the most reasonable or effective. A horde is a horde, whether in P-51Ds or P-40Es. However, from what I have seen, this is how it is going to be and no logic or reason offered is going to make a difference.
There is a better solution. I think many have been offered. The best has been to just leave it alone, but if something "must be done," come up with something a bit more sensible.
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All this debate about ENY limmits is makin me sick.
Sure Im a noob so hey what does my oppinion count?
Imho its just right that a side that has a number advantage has to work a bit harder. Why? Imho in tooo many games hoarding becomes the only valid tactic. What it turns into eventually is two scenarios.
A) Hoard A is attacking base X. Hoard B attacks base Y. no fights on the entire server except an occational gank.
B) Hoard B is attacking base X. Hoard B defends base X. It comes down to which hoard is bigger.
When a game reaches this its not really evolving for ones player skills. After all thats what we play the game for, to become good pilots.
Something HAS TO be done to eliminate numbers from beeing decisive to the outcome of the battle.
While the ENY system might not be perfect, Id rather see dynamic perking of planes based on side strenght then lockin planes out. But its a step in the right direction.
When it comes to realism, well Id say yeah it is pretty realistic.
Why? Would a side deploy its most expencive planes vs an enemy it rates as puney? Not really. You dont want to waste your best and most expencive stuff on a very weak enemy. You apply the necessary force to terminate the enemy but you dont act foolishly with your supplies.
Also what this ENY debate is about is:
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME.
You all sound like the seaguls in Finding Nemo. Mine mine mine mine mine.
Ive never so far heared anyone say words such as "The game has to be fun for both me and my enemy".
In a multiplayer game the fighting has to be fun for bouth you AND your enemy. Beeing extreamly out numbered without having a reasonable chance is not fun for the enemy. Fights at even odds are more fun for BOTH sides. Sure a little less for you but at the same time a little more for your enemy. Next time its the opposite.
But no everyone is just rambling on "ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME" and "FORCING SOMETHING UPON MYYYYYYY WAY OF PLAY". Want to play YOUR game and want to play YOUR way play a single player game.
If you want to play with other people stop beeing a freekin egoist (not to the poster of this thread but all the whinars who are constantly calling for the Waaaaahmbulance).
Just some thoughts from a noob that I dont expect anyone to care about because all that matters is ME ME ME ME ME ME.
Tex
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
Ive never so far heared anyone say words such as "The game has to be fun for both me and my enemy".
Tex. Welcome along. :)
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All planes are available at all times. It's as simple as that.
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They are. ALL planes are available at ALL times for ALL players.
Some of you just insist on being able to wear certain beanie caps (Rook/Bishop/Knight) while flying them.
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Originally posted by Lazerus
All planes are available at all times. It's as simple as that.
Don't forget: if you are willing to switch sides, which I am not and neither are others.
You guys kill me...lol.
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Originally posted by Blammo
Although this may be true, if a squad was build around the idea of flying ponies and that same squad wants to fly for Rook (or Bishop or Knight) exclusively, then the ENY thing hoses them up. I don't lame anyone for being ticked over this.
You don't have to lame them. They lamed themsleves. Very poor planning and logic on their part. May as well be an exclusive 262 24/7 squad that doesn't have 50 perkpoints between them.
Damn .... the evil game system doesn't like rookie 262 squadrons! They pay their 15 bucks a month! Unperk the 262!
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Originally posted by Goobman
Unlimited to me means NOT limited, period. Usage means use of the planes and playing the game. Why on earth would I pay to come into an arena if it had no planes? The argument about arena acess holds no water. Unlimted usage is not what I'm getting for my $14.95
Nice try ... unlimited means "all you can eat" time on the server in this instance. I'm sure it's a comprehension thing. Keep at it, you'll get there. :D
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Originally posted by SlapShot
That was a hard stretch Arlo ... :D
Bout as hard as "Ah pay mah 15 buckses a munth ta fly da 262. Why come ah gotta earn them thar perkses?"
:D
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Originally posted by Blammo
I'll say again, if there was nothing to fly (or nothing you wanted to fly) would you pay just to "access the arena"? Of course not and that is my point. For a lot of people, this makes this difference between logging on and logging off. For still others it makes the difference between staying or going.
Apparently only to the brightest it means either staying on the hordeside or switching. But they do it. Good for them. :aok
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Originally posted by Flyboy
Darknet, why dont your entire squad switch to bish\knights ?
that solve 2 problems with 1 solution
We have discussed this. The decision was to maintain being a Rook. We are not going to jump ship simply because we are being forced to the underdogs because of numbers.
Just to prove a point. Everyone knows who skpg is. He will not even log on anymore during all of this. (P51D)uber plane or not (and it wasn't all that in AH1) , thats what he flys.
That goes for a lot of my squadron.
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You're not gonna "jump ship" ..... you're just not gonna log on? Can Rooks get shot for dissertion?
Talk about going to extremes!
Well .... good luck fighting the system, man. That's how we won Vietnam.
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the switching county thing to fly the plane ya want (P38) even gets tough. the 475th is a historic squad, we fly P38. thats why i fly, i enjoy flying it (majority of time, will fly other planes). but even to move a small squad like mine is a pain in rear. we have switched to nits when 38 was disabled for rooks, no big deal. log on next day, 38 is disabled for nits, jump back rooks. log on next day, half squad is flyin for nits other half rooks. we all get on same side, 38 becomes disabled for that country. now, cant switch whole squad back because of time restraints. think ya get the point. this does get old. i do understand the need to balance sides tho too. give me a early model 38 and this all goes away. :aok
~S~
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Stick to the topic please
I started flying AH about a little over a year ago. Never flown a flight Sim before in my life. I had all making of a great Sim. Lots of planes to fly. Lots of targets to hit (which actually made a difference if you hit them or not). This made for strategic attacking. Which I think is fun. A lot of people do not so just shut up and let me continue.
AH2 comes out. My computer could handle it. I'm getting great FR. I apologize for those that could not and or can not run it.
Gunnery changed. Big deal, just takes some getting used to.
Added Skins.. Awesome. Now my squadies can fly our own plane.
Towns are hardened up. I like this - makes for base takeovers to be a little tougher.
"Strat" - what happen to this? The one thing that could stop an offensive dead in it tracks was taken away. Being a ROOK I hated this. But the BISH and KNITS were good at it. When they got rolling they could stop our HORD dead for sectors. We may not have liked it but it worked. I still thought it was a good feature.
Strategic targets - Are there any more targets to hit that even make a difference. Why are they even in the game anymore except to build perks.
Perk planes - I agree with this 100%. Makes ya have to work a little bit to fly uber planes. I think it works out nicely that they are cheaper for the weaker/losing sides.
But now ENY plane limitation. The side(s) out-numbering the lowest team is now limited to the planes they can fly by the ENY value of the Plane and or Vehicle. Yes/No I agree and disagree in so many different ways. Personally my squad night is basically done. Hell I think most of my squad has packed up and left because of this. We fly P-51D's. Enough said.
But on top of all of this ENY. The Weaker teams are still allowed to get all of the uber planes and at little to no cost. I mean if there going to take up the Uber planes against the ENY limited side at least make them pay a fair cost for them. I say if you’re going to take planes away because of ENY, start raising perk cost for the losing sides at the same time. Make them still have to work to fly the uber planes.
Well that's about it. I now give this to the rest of you to R&R over.
This covers just a little more than ENY. And I even separated it out for ya.
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I suggest if your desire is to beech about somethin' ... you stick to what yer beechin' about. Why do you want to argue about the other stuff ..... seperated or not? :D :aok
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Originally posted by bozon
try disabling troops and ordnance. disable V-hangars if it's a GV infestation.
killing the local dar helps too.
it doesn't stop the flow of planes, so furballers can have their fun. It does prevent your base from being captured, so strat players are happy. Strat does not nececerily mean ruining other's fun.
Bozon
No offence Bozon. YOu have a great point. But you don't know much about the 339th do you. That what we do.
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Rosc, your 70 planes are in h2h and you don't have to pay for that.
blammo, yes they would. people accutally pay for chat room stuff.
Darknet, you're being completely unreasonable. You and your squad need to compromise. it is as simple as that.
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Originally posted by Arlo
You don't have to lame them. They lamed themsleves. Very poor planning and logic on their part. May as well be an exclusive 262 24/7 squad that doesn't have 50 perkpoints between them.
Damn .... the evil game system doesn't like rookie 262 squadrons! They pay their 15 bucks a month! Unperk the 262!
Strawman argument.
Look, I am not talking about perk plans and it is not the same thing as standard rides. I do not consider someone wanting to have a P-51D, Spit IX or LA-7 squadron poor planning or logic. Especially in the case of the P-51D where it can fly CAP, Air Superiority, JABO, Escort and Close Air Support roles. If they wanted to perk them to make them hard to get during times when your country has numbers, fine. I don't have issue with that. But to say "you can't have them just because you happen to have the most people on" is just in no way reasonable.
Paint it however you want, but the ENY/numbers/limitation system makes no sense. You (the general you) are punishing people for success and team play. I never cared about seeing 30 51s roll into a field...sure, I hated being on the wrong end of it, but that's the game. When our side had the numbers, we did the same thing...and I am a knight...how often do we win the reset? LOL.
You can say you are paying for arena access, and while true, you are also paying to fly (or drive) in the arena. Otherwise, you just have a bunch of guys sitting in the tower staring at the text buffer. There are no two ways around it.
It's like saying when you go to a movie you are paying to get access to the theater, but you can't see the movie you want because you have too many people in the room you are in. However, if you want to see the movie you want, feel free to go to a different room...and, by the way, if you get too many people in that room we will switch off the movie and put something else on until the numbers balance again.
In addition, has the ENY system added anything to the game? Well, let's see: frustration, side hopping, people logging off, people cancelling accounts, loss of team focus. Maybe there are good things, but I can't think of any. There are people that are mad about it and people that deal with it and maybe even a small segment that are the "an answer to our prayers (whines)" crowd, but all in all, it really has not have any sort of positive impact on the game. If I am wrong in this, please let me know.
(Oh, and Darknet: I agree with all of the other stuff you talked about)
Cheers!
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Originally posted by Blammo
Paint it however you want, but the ENY/numbers/limitation system makes no sense.
It does if you take into account that it had a sudden desired effect and did exactly what it was designed to do. If you choose to stop ignoring that it can be tweaked instead of discarded to appease the players who are just too stubborn to learn how to coexist with it and still have fun then maybe you'll see fewer "strawman arguments." (Are you absolutely certain you know what that phrase means?) ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
It does if you take into account that it had a sudden desired effect and did exactly what it was designed to do. If you choose to stop ignoring that it can be tweaked instead of discarded to appease the players who are just too stubborn to learn how to coexist with it and still have fun then maybe you'll see fewer "strawman arguments." (Are you absolutely certain you know what that phrase means?) ;)
OK, I am all for tweaking it because right now I think it is pretty mucked up. Still don't see it as a solution to advertise a whole series of planes and then deny them because you are on the side with numbers, but, guess I am just stubborn or ignorant that way.
By the way, yes I do understand the phrase and I used it correctly.
Description of Straw Man
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:
Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
Go here (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html) for the source so you can educate yourself a little.
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BRING BACK PORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i loved seeing an enemy field up in flames and they could only get 25% feul and FHs being down for more that 10 min !!!
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Originally posted by thebest1
BRING BACK PORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i loved seeing an enemy field up in flames and they could only get 25% feul and FHs being down for more that 10 min !!!
Listen to this man. If you want to stop our ROOK HORD....
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Originally posted by Arlo
I bet .. historically ... alot of D pony squads flew the B pony first. :D
Ya know Arlo I have listened to your crap enough! Read the post! It's not so much the Eny as it is flying against cheaper Perked rides. Ya we can damn well fly the B model with it's toy guns, bad visibilty, and light bomb load. We'll kick yer butt all over the skies with it too, given a proper matchup. It's faster in some aspects than the D up to the 10kish range. That's NOT what we want to do. Please, I don't tell you how to play....don't you tell me. Got it Ace?
If you bothered to read ANY history the pilots hated the B thus the Malcom hood C. The B was used for strafing enemy soft targets MOST of the time.
You sir, are adding nothing to these threads but irratation.
Eny SUCKs
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Originally posted by Blammo
Description of Straw Man
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:
Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
Go here (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html) for the source so you can educate yourself a little.
It doesn't apply when it's a valid comparison even if mild exaggeration is used.
I.E. "We only fly Rook P-51Ds. Period. The ENY lockdown system is unfair!" As compared to "We only fly (fill in the side, though it doesn't matter) Me-262s. Period! The perk cost system is unfair!"
Same reasoning works for both. Both squadrons shoot themselves in the foot because they're too stubborn to play the game by the rules and want the game modified to cater to their specific desires.
Your assertion was, and I quote (with a small edit of the typo I took advantage of):
"Although this may be true, if a squad was buil(t) around the idea of flying ponies and that same squad wants to fly for Rook (or Bishop or Knight) exclusively, then the ENY thing hoses them up. I don't (b)lame anyone for being ticked over this."
I do. They're being unrealistic and stubborn. They need to learn not to be.
p.s. Someone once made me go look up and cut and paste the definition of "straw man argument" on these forums, too. I learned something new and applied it.
p.s. MY squadron is an historically based squadron dedicated to flying the F4U Corsair (primarily the -1 but all makes and models from time to time). IF we were a ponyhead squad, and yes - I'm speaking for my squad out of assumption, based on knowing these guys for a long time - we would fly both and if both were disabled we would switch as a unit. IF we were a dirty ape squad we would switch as a unit and campaign for an earlier version of the dirty ape. We adapt and overcome as long as things are reasonable. The actual main conflict we have in this discussion is what is and what isn't reasonable.
I've been a reasonable man since I was still a boy. Heh. But I do love a good argument.
Someday I'll get one. (hehe - j/k) ;)
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Originally posted by dracon
Ya know Arlo I have listened to your crap enough!
1: Get over me.
2: Get over yourself.
3: Get over ENY disablement.
4: Don't worry ... be happy.
:D
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There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunligh
And the oaks ignore their pleas
The trouble with the maples
(and they’re quite convinced they’re right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks can’t help their feelings
If they like the way they’re made
And they wonder why the maples
Can’t be happy in their shade?
There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream `oppression!`
And the oaks, just shake their heads
So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
’the oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light’
Now there’s no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet,
Axe,
And saw ...
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Originally posted by dracon
You sir, are adding nothing to these threads but irratation.
you sir are not being reasonable, because you don't want to compromise. but yet you whine and kick and scream because you are unwilling to compromise? that is being completely unreasonable. HOT DAMN I BET YOU DIDN'T KNOW AH ISN'T REAL LIFE DID YA?!?!!?!?! there you go. go compromise and fly your B stang. "But wait it isn't historical!!!" CT not the MA.
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I want a feast
I want a bean feast
Cream buns and doughnuts and fruitcake with no nuts so good you could go nuts.
No, now!
I want a ball
I want a party
Pink macaroons and a million balloons and performing baboons and
Give it to me now.
I want the world,
I want the whole world.
I want to lock it all up in my pocket
It's my bar of chocolate
Give it to me now!
I want today
I want tomorrow
I want to wear them like braids in my hair AND I DON'T WANT TO SHARE THEM! .....
I want a party with roomfuls of laughter
Ten thousand ton of ice cream
And if I don't get the things I am after
I'm ... going ... to ... scream!
I want the works,
I want the whole works!
Presents and prizes and sweets and surprises in all shapes and sizes,
And now!
Don't care how I want it now!
Don't care how I want it nooooooooooooooooooooow!
*honk*
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Dead I am the one, exterminating son
Slipping through the trees, strangling the breeze
Dead I am the sky, watching angels cry
While they slowly turn, conquering the worm
Dig through the ditches,
Burn through the witches
I slam in the back of my
Dragula
** honk honk**
btw skull made my iggie list ...
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Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-do
I have another puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doom-pa-da-dee
If you are wise, you'll listen to me
Who do you blame when your kid is a brat?
Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat
Blaming the kids is a lie and a shame
You know exactly who's to blame
The mother and the father
Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-da
If you're not spoiled, then you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-do
:D
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A modern-day warrior
Mean mean stride,
Today’s tom sawyer
Mean mean pride.
Though his mind is not for rent,
Don’t put him down as arrogant.
His reserve, a quiet defense,
Riding out the day’s events.
The river
And what you say about his company
Is what you say about society.
Catch the mist, catch the myth
Catch the mystery, catch the drift.
The world is, the world is,
Love and life are deep,
Maybe as his eyes are wide.
Today’s tom sawyer,
He gets high on you,
And the space he invades
He gets by on you.
No, his mind is not for rent
To any God or government.
Always hopeful, yet discontent,
He knows changes aren’t permanent,
But change is.
And what you say about his company
Is what you say about society.
Catch the witness, catch the wit,
Catch the spirit, catch the spit.
The world is, the world is,
Love and life are deep,
Maybe as his skies are wide.
Exit the warrior,
Today’s tom sawyer,
He gets high on you,
And the energy you trade,
He gets right on to the friction of the day.
:D
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There's no earthly way of knowing
Which direction we are going
There's no knowing where we're rowing
Or which way the river's flowing
Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a'blowing?
Not a speck of light is showing
So the danger must be growing
Are the fires of hell a'glowing?
Is the grisly reaper mowing?
Yes!
The danger must be growing
For the rowers keep on rowing
And they're certainly not showing
Any signs that they are slowing!
:D
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I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly.
I’m crying.
Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come.
Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bloody tuesday.
Man, you been a naughty boy, you let your face grow long.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen.
I am the walrus, goo goo g’joob.
Mister city policeman sitting
Pretty little policemen in a row.
See how they fly like lucy in the sky, see how they run.
I’m crying, I’m crying.
I’m crying, I’m crying.
Yellow matter custard, dripping from a dead dog’s eye.
Crabalocker fishwife, pornographic priestess,
Boy, you been a naughty girl you let your knickers down.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen.
I am the walrus, goo goo g’joob.
Sitting in an english garden waiting for the sun.
If the sun don’t come, you get a tan
From standing in the english rain.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen.
I am the walrus, goo goo g’joob g’goo goo g’joob.
Expert textpert choking smokers,
Don’t you thing the joker laughs at you?
See how they smile like pigs in a sty,
See how they snied.
I’m crying.
Semolina pilchard, climbing up the eiffel tower.
Elementary penguin singing hari krishna.
Man, you should have seen them kicking edgar allan poe.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen.
I am the walrus, goo goo g’joob g’goo goo g’joob.
Goo goo g’joob g’goo goo g’joob g’goo.
:D (hey Arlo ya zink we'll get in trouble if we keep this up ) :p
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Hold your breath.
Make a wish.
Count to three.
Come with me and you'll be in a world of pure imagination
Take a look and you'll see into your imagination.
We'll begin with a spin traveling in the world of my creation.
What we'll see will defy explanation.
If you want to view paradise
Simply look around and view it.
Anything you want to do it.
Want to change the world?
There's nothing to it.
There is no life I know to compare with pure imagination.
Living there you'll be free if you truly wish to be.
If you want to view paradise
Simply look around and view it.
Anything you want to, do it.
Want to change the world?
There's nothing to it.
There is no life I know to compare with pure imagination.
Living there you'll be free if you truly wish to be.
Undoubtedly, Ros. :D
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Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
>from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods
Will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying:
Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar,
Our only goal will be the western shore.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
>from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
How soft your fields so green,
Can whisper tales of gore,
Of how we calmed the tides of war.
We are your overlords.
On we sweep with threshing oar,
Our only goal will be the western shore.
So now you’d better stop and rebuild all your ruins,
For peace and trust can win the day
Despite of all your losing.
(Bring on the Viking kittens) :D
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I never thought my life could be anything but catastrophe
But suddenly I begin to see a bit of good luck for me
Cause I've got a golden ticket
I've got a golden twinkle in my eye
I never had a chance to shine never a happy song to sing,
But suddenly half the world is mine what an amazing thing
Cause I've got a golden ticket.
It's ours Charlie!
I've got a golden sun up in the sky.
I never thought I'd see the day when I would face the world and say,
"Good morning. Look at the sun."
I never thought that I would be slap in the lap of luxury
Cause I have said it couldn't be done
But it can be done.
I never dreamed that I would climb over the moon in ecstasy,
But nevertheless it's there that I'm shortly about to be
Cause I've got a golden ticket
I've got a golden chance to make my way
And with the golden ticket it's a golden day.
Good morning! Look at the sun!
Cause I have said, "It couldn't be done"
But it can be done.
I never dreamed that I would climb over the moon in ecstasy,
But nevertheless it's there that I'm shortly about to be
Cause I've got a golden ticket.
Cause I've got a golden ticket.
I've got a golden chance to make my way
And with a golden ticket it's a golden day.
Listen, bud .... there's only so many Willy Wonka lyrics. Don't make me go "Monty Python" on your arse. ;)
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lmao ...
if you do i'll have to go Mel Brooks on your's :D
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Arlo,
It seems that the only reason you are in this discussion is to be
argumentative to one & all who are posting here.
Why don't you go join your local debating team & leave this to people who are actually trying to come up with a solution to the problem?
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Nope. You can't play the "If you don't agree there's a problem than you can't participate in our 'There's A Problem Dammit!' thread" card. Nice try. ;)
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Grunka lunka dunkity doo
We've got a friendly warning for you
Grunka lunka dunkity daces
The secrets of Slurm's on a need to know basis
Asking questions in school is a great way to learn
If you try that stuff here you might get your legs broke
We once found a dead guy face down in the Slurm
It could easily happen again to you folks
So keep your head down and keep your mouth shut
Grunka lunka lunka dunkity dot!
Grunka lunka dunkity-gredient
You should not ask about the secret ingredient!
Grunka lunka dunkity darn guards...
~from futurama
-pellik
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Substitute thumb for middle finger :aok :D
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Originally posted by MajWoody
Substitute thumb for middle finger :aok :D
Whatever provides the greatest sitting comfort for you, sir. ;)
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Originally posted by MajWoody
Arlo,
It seems that the only reason you are in this discussion is to be
argumentative to one & all who are posting here.
Why don't you go join your local debating team & leave this to people who are actually trying to come up with a solution to the problem?
I was ...wernt you Arlo ?? (read thru the songs guys you'll understand)
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
I was ...wernt you Arlo ?? (read thru the songs guys you'll understand)
No, Ros ... you give them too much credit.
Or maybe not. Hope not. :D
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my viking kittens can beat up your Ompaa loompa's :p
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Rosc, your 70 planes are in h2h and you don't have to pay for that.
blammo, yes they would. people accutally pay for chat room stuff.
Darknet, you're being completely unreasonable. You and your squad need to compromise. it is as simple as that.
Compromise..we are trying to be a historic squad....THe 339th never flew the Wildcat whicjh is always available...
here's one of my other posts
Here's mu only problem..The 339thFG was REAL late war...only existed about a year..They only flew the 51B for a real short time...They were a 51D squad...we are modeled after a historic squad and like to fly that way..we have tried to move our squad night to less popular nights to fly but that still hasn't worked...we didn't choose the plane as much as we chose the squad..now we can't hold our squad night and be happy about it....we took a vote to change countries..and at was 75% to stay rook because of the friendships and teamwork we have there...and to put it out there this game darn near lost an entire squad in the matter of 1 day. There has to be a better way to balance sides..the way we are doing it now only causes hate and discontent...and with lack of a better game to play (as far as MMOG flight sims go) what choice do we have but to stay here....HT has us all over a barrel with this
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then go to the CT!!!!!1
the MA is not historical so why even bother. compromise your D for B it is not that hard.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
then go to the CT!!!!!1
the MA is not historical so why even bother. compromise your D for B it is not that hard.
Is that your answer for everything?
CT not as mainstream..not as many players...and too retrictive..and gets uses for special events alot...MA is available al;l the time..:rolleyes:
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well then cool your squad could make the numbers go up. that is the problem you guys whine complain about the ct having no numbers, but yet you refuse to fly there? sorry that is completely unreasonable. if 4 people would just go to the CT anf fly i guarntee that numbers would start going up over a peroid of days. who cares 3 days with little opposition get out weighed by how ever many days you play with good fights.
people love the CT and don't like to milk. the CT has 0 players on because there are no brave people who are willing to go milk for how ever long until people start to come in.
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The CT never gets used for special events. It's available 24/7. But you'd hafta get used to making sacrifices there, as well (nope - not every setup has the D pony ... but you'd get it more often than I do the F4U).
But what Skull says is true ... the CT is the place to be if you're really serious about history. I kinda doubt the 339th spent most of it's time encountering other ponies, La-7s and P-38s in combat.
If the 339th would come to the CT ... the CT would have more players. Funny how that works. ;)
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I know it sucks to not be able to fly the plane your squad likes, but how about having a secondary ride for those times? Or I guess you could all go to another team...crank up their ENY and go watch Seinfeld :P
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Originally posted by Arlo
I want a feast
I want a bean feast
Cream buns and doughnuts and fruitcake with no nuts so good you could go nuts.
No, now!
I want a ball
I want a party
Pink macaroons and a million balloons and performing baboons and
Give it to me now.
I want the world,
I want the whole world.
I want to lock it all up in my pocket
It's my bar of chocolate
Give it to me now!
I want today
I want tomorrow
I want to wear them like braids in my hair AND I DON'T WANT TO SHARE THEM! .....
I want a party with roomfuls of laughter
Ten thousand ton of ice cream
And if I don't get the things I am after
I'm ... going ... to ... scream!
I want the works,
I want the whole works!
Presents and prizes and sweets and surprises in all shapes and sizes,
And now!
Don't care how I want it now!
Don't care how I want it nooooooooooooooooooooow!
*honk*
What can you expect from a guy that quotes the lyrics to a song from Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory :D
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By the way, still a straw man argument :D
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I had to aim it at the proper demographic to get the point across, Blammo. ;)
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Originally posted by Blammo
By the way, still a straw man argument :D
No way. That's cast iron man logic. No gettin' around it. ;)