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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JBA on September 07, 2004, 10:01:27 AM
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http://www.nwc.navy.mil/newrulesets/ThePentagonsNewMap.htm
I saw this guy on TV the other day. Sounded like he was making since so I looked about this article, Haven’t read it all yet but some very interesting points of view.
Once I've read all of it I’ll Have a more informed Opinion on this later. Thought I'd give you all a look at the same time.
He spoke about pushing the terrorist back to levels seen in the 70's, that is their reach is only to southern Europe, no that that is good but it illustrates that the war is working and has been successful thus far, and will continue to be.
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Originally posted by Dowding
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Very interesting post JBA. Thanks.
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Interesting read JBA. Thanks.
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Hmmm... weren't there an insane amount of aircraft hijackings in the 70's?
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interesting read JBA, in short:
writer speaks about the usa and theyr way to the new world order.
Mostly 3rd world countrys are the problem, and the us is the only country
who can solve this global problem (mainly with firepower).
Not much talk about the rest of the world and what they can do, or do
all togheter.
R
Gh0stFT
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It sounds pretty much like the neoconservative preemption doctrine that I believe is at the core of why we invaded Iraq in the first place, with WMD being the public excuse used to sell the war. Now, the neoconservative doctrine raises some interesting questions. Maybe the course of action in Iraq is justified for the reasons stated in the article, maybe not. It would have been nice, though, if that had been the focus of debate instead of WMD or the fact that many Americans, 70 percent in NY for example, "somehow" came to the belief that Saddam had a direct link to 9/11.
Charon
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Originally posted by Charon
It sounds pretty much like the neoconservative preemption doctrine that I believe is at the core of why we invaded Iraq in the first place, with WMD being the public excuse used to sell the war. Now, the neoconservative doctrine raises some interesting questions. Maybe the course of action in Iraq is justified for the reasons stated in the article, maybe not. It would have been nice, though, if that had been the focus of debate instead of WMD or the fact that many Americans, 70 percent in NY for example, "somehow" came to the belief that Saddam had a direct link to 9/11.
Charon
I don't believe the invasion of Iraq was ever a subject for "debate".
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Oops Skuzzy got in before me. My reply unnecessary now and deleted.
But Gscholz your comment was factually and proveably inaccurate.
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Holy cow! What exactly IS the topic?
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I don't believe the invasion of Iraq was ever a subject for "debate".
I agree. It was a foregone conclusion, apparently starting on 9/12. The cowardly Democrats certainly didn't stand in the way at the time. The "liberal" corporate media was too worried about their embeds and playing the beltway media game (softball questions = access to high level interviews) to pay much attention, Helen Thomas excluded (which is why she was excluded from the last pre war press conference). Too bad.
Charon
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So, we're forming an empire now?
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Off topic? Not sure how, but let me re-phrase it.
The whole premise that 70's levels of terrorist violence are desirable is flawed.
It depends entirely on location.
My first post was essentially making that point, although admittedly the rest was off-topic through AKIron.
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Actually, if you hear folks like Slick Willy Clinton speak, the Republican and Democratic doctrines aren't too far apart. The major difference is in how they interpret "exporting security". The Neocon approach has that as being "ruling with an iron fist", whereas the Clintonian Democratic school is "establishing partnerships with other nations." In either case, we're talking about areas with massive poverty and unemployment, and the argument, "To make these areas secure, we need to connect them to the global market economy" is basically a justification of American Imperialism.
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Terrorism like in the 70's ?
Rote Armee Fraktion,IRA, Action Directe, Brigada Rosso,PLO to name a few ...
Doesn't sound like my version of heaven on Earth.
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Originally posted by JBA
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He spoke about pushing the terrorist back to levels seen in the 70's, that is their reach is only to southern Europe , not that that is good but it illustrates that the war is working and has been successful thus far, and will continue to be.
Originally posted by Dowding
It depends entirely on location.
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prior to BUSH they could reach, wait where was it O yes
NEW YORK.
You all don't read or comprehend well.
70's as in their reach. That’s what I stated in the first post.
In the 70's they only could reach ME and southern Europe, Ah but what do we see now, That’s right ME and Southern Europe. And in a few years it will be ME and then Sub Sahara Africa and then nothing but a few isolated attacks at best. Barnett states about 20 years. This from his CSPAN on 6/2/04 appearance.
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Originally posted by GScholz
They hijacked a lot of planes back in the '70s. They could reach New York back then too. Still can.
Is's kinda like nowadays when they hijack lots of threads.... and today they reach all the way to grapevine! :rofl
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"In the 70's they only could reach ME and southern Europe, Ah but what do we see now, That’s right ME and Southern Europe..."
That's cause they're using bigger, synthetic rubber slingshots nowadays.
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Why does the map list Northern Ireland as a US peacekeeping military operation?
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Originally posted by Nashwan
Why does the map list Northern Ireland as a US peacekeeping military operation?
Not military but Bill Clinton and the US played no small part in helping bring about the current situation. Even GWB has kept an interest. It is one example of a positive US intervention.
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More info.
http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/storyboard/sb_index.htm
http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/published/wsj.htm
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Pushing terrorism back to the state of the 70's would be a very good thing.
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Its pretty much a rehashing of Samual Huntington's thesis on the "clash of civilizations" being the future of conflict.
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Originally posted by straffo
Terrorism like in the 70's ?
Rote Armee Fraktion,IRA, Action Directe, Brigada Rosso,PLO to name a few ...
Doesn't sound like my version of heaven on Earth.
Agreed. A casual, incomplete search immediately nets:
1969- February 18th An El Al aircraft in Zurich Switzerland was attacked, the copilot was killed
February 21st 5 were killed and eight injured in a bomb blast in Jerusalem
August 29th A TWA 707 was hijacked by Palestinian terrorist to Damascus
September 29th – A TWA plane flying from Rome to Lodi Italy was hijacked to Damascus
November 27th- The El Al office in Athens was attacked. Innnocent bystanders were killed
1970- February 10th. A bus carrying passengers to an a plane is attacked by Palestinian terrorist at the Munich airport
February 21st- A Swissair plane on a flight to Israel is blown up in mid air by Palestinian terrorists.
April 21st- A bomb explodes aboard a Philippines airliners. All 36 aboard are killed
May 22nd Eight Israeli schoolchildren are killed by Arab terrorist.
September 6th- An attempt is made to hijack four planes. The attempt to hijack an El Al plane fails, while three other succeed. The planes all end up in the Jordanian desert.
1972 --January 26th A bomb explodes on a Yugoslav plane killing all but one passenger
May 30th- 24 people are killed at Lod airport by Japanese terrorist recruited by Palestininians
July 21st twenty two bombs go off in downtown Belfast killing 11 people
September 5th – Eleven members of the Israeli Olympic team are killed by Black September an arm of the PLO led by Yasir Arafat at the Olympic games in Munich
1973-February 23rd- Israel shoots down a Libyan plane over the Sinai desert fearing it was a flying bomb
March 8th- Two IRA bombs explode in London killing one person and injuring 200
August 5th Five people are killed when a Libyan terrorist group attacks a TWA plane
1974- September 8th Libyan terrorist plant a bomb on board a TWA plane flying from Athens to Rome, all 85 passengers are killed.
November 21st The IRA explodes a series of bombs in Birmingham England- 21 people are killed
1975- September 30th A Hungarian airplane explodes killing all 64 persons on board
1976- January 1st-Eighty-two people are killed aboard a Lebanese plane
June 24th- An Air France plane is hijacked to Uganda. Israeli later stages a daring rescue mission to free the hostages.
1978 –March 12th Thirty seven Israelis are killed on a bus by Palestinian terrorists.
1981- April 19th -Thirteen people were killed and 177 injured in a terrorist attack in Davao Philippines.
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Ah the good old days. I think maybe they should try and push things back to the sixties. Oh wait Vietnam, the fifties then, no Korea the cold war, the forties............I give up.
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Originally posted by Westy
That's cause they're using bigger, synthetic rubber slingshots nowadays.
You mean the ones used on your avatar?
I've not read the article but I'd guess that the best means of holding the bad guys inside their perimeter is through the banking and overall monetary system. With so many things so highly digitized, even using cash to pay for larger ticket items become more noticeable. Try to use the black market and run the risks of encountering another bad guy who likes the number of zeros behind the NEAs 'package'.
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Originally posted by Horn
DUCK,
that was close it went right over your head.:rolleyes:
RTFA
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Here is his email, smart A**es, go post your nonsense there.
tom@thomaspmbarnett.com
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Originally posted by JBA
DUCK,
that was close it went right over your head.:rolleyes:
RTFA
Awww someone step on your self righteousness? Gee I'm sorry.
"He spoke about pushing the terrorist back to levels seen in the 70's, that is their reach is only to southern Europe, no that that is good but it illustrates that the war is working and has been successful thus far, and will continue to be."
lmao
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Plenty of terrorists doing their thing in South America during the 70's, is this guy for real or does he have a funny look'n Atlas?
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Originally posted by AKIron
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Just how far Off Topic can Off topic get, before it is deemed Off Topic?
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Just how far Off Topic can Off topic get, before it is deemed Off Topic?
Karaya
Terrorism in all ages is bad.
Having made the obligatory on-topic statement I'll now say that your post is off-topic enough to become an off-topic casualty. ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Terrorism in all ages is bad.
Having made the obligatory on-topic statement I'll now say that your post is off-topic enough to become an off-topic casualty. ;)
hehe, I still think yer laughing at that :)
<> Iron.
Karaya
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Originally posted by AKIron
Terrorism in all ages is bad.
Having made the obligatory on-topic statement I'll now say that your post is off-topic enough to become an off-topic casualty. ;)
DING DING we have a winner :)