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Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: schizer on September 07, 2004, 05:32:43 PM
Thought provoking flash video


http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pentagon.html
Title: Re: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Martlet on September 07, 2004, 05:37:24 PM
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Originally posted by schizer
Thought provoking flash video


http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pentagon.html


Did you mean "laughable conspiracy theory"?
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Bodhi on September 07, 2004, 05:38:09 PM
I see a "Nothing to See here" coming...
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Skuzzy on September 07, 2004, 05:51:52 PM
It's actually a troll.  I was just wondering if anyone caught it.

1)  No opinion provided by the creator.
2)  No question asked

Just a potentially flammable link.  It is my hope people will figure out these things and just ignore them.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Martlet on September 07, 2004, 05:54:19 PM
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
It's actually a troll.  I was just wondering if anyone caught it.

1)  No opinion provided by the creator.
2)  No question asked

Just a potentially flammable link.  It is my hope people will figure out these things and just ignore them.


You give me far more credit than I deserve.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on September 07, 2004, 05:55:23 PM
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
It's actually a troll.  I was just wondering if anyone caught it.

1)  No opinion provided by the creator.
2)  No question asked

Just a potentially flammable link.  It is my hope people will figure out these things and just ignore them.


How about: "Dispose of Properly"?
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Skuzzy on September 07, 2004, 05:56:08 PM
I did?  Not sure what you mean there Martlet.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: flyingaround on September 07, 2004, 05:59:03 PM
actually, it had made a couple interesting arguments, watched it twice.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Martlet on September 07, 2004, 05:59:55 PM
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I did?  Not sure what you mean there Martlet.


I insulted myself.....poorly it would seem.

Meaning if you assume I'm smart enough to figure out for myself that it was a troll then you give me more credit than I deserve.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: schizer on September 07, 2004, 06:01:29 PM
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
It's actually a troll.  I was just wondering if anyone caught it.

1)  No opinion provided by the creator.
2)  No question asked

Just a potentially flammable link.  It is my hope people will figure out these things and just ignore them.


Wow, so easy to classify things.  I just thought it was interesting and thought some other people might think the same. Nothing more nothing less.  Ease up on the AH BB witch hunt.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Chairboy on September 07, 2004, 06:05:22 PM
That's part of why it's a troll.  Check out this article on internet trolls, it's interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Excerpt:
"Trolling is often described as an online version of the breaching experiment, where social boundaries and rules of etiquette are broken. Self-proclaimed trolls often style themselves as Devil's Advocates or gadflies, challenging the dominant discourse and assumptions of the forum they are "trolling" in an attempt to subvert and introduce different ways of thinking. Detractors who value etiquette claim that true "Devil's Advocates" generally identify themselves as such for the sake of etiquette, whereas trolls often consider etiquette to be something worth trolling."
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: schizer on September 07, 2004, 06:13:07 PM
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Originally posted by Chairboy
That's part of why it's a troll.  Check out this article on internet trolls, it's interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Excerpt:
"Trolling is often described as an online version of the breaching experiment, where social boundaries and rules of etiquette are broken. Self-proclaimed trolls often style themselves as Devil's Advocates or gadflies, challenging the dominant discourse and assumptions of the forum they are "trolling" in an attempt to subvert and introduce different ways of thinking. Detractors who value etiquette claim that true "Devil's Advocates" generally identify themselves as such for the sake of etiquette, whereas trolls often consider etiquette to be something worth trolling."


No different from posting photoshopped pictures of Kerry/Bush, or hey caption this.  It is simply a link to a flash video, questioning the pentagon, big whooop.  I guess it's quick to label it a troll or whatever the hell you want, I see simply as a link.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Chairboy on September 07, 2004, 06:29:58 PM
Here's the difference, you're not putting any context on it.  There's no delivery, just a vague 'thought provoking video' comment.  The difference between someone who wants to spark a lively discussion versus someone who is trolling can be very fine.

If you prefaced it with (and were honest):
"This video makes some really good points about the 9/11 attacks.  After watching it, I'm thinking we were lied to and there's a conspiracy to cover it up" or "Look at the latest crackpot video, it's pretty nutty"

...then you wouldn't be in this boat.  One of the roots for the term 'trolling' is the physical act of dropping a hook into the water, then driving around in your boat waiting to see who 'takes the hook'.  There's a direct correlation between your thread starting post and that phenomena because you haven't provided the active structure I mention above.

The next questions I'd have to figure out are: "Is he naive and doesn't understand the difference or are his continued responses part of the troll?"  I'm not deciding on that last one yet, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but you should understand that others won't.  Keep in mind, more then one person has suggested you're trolling.  If you're the only one who thinks he isn't, that might be something to think about.

PS, inadvertent trolling is very possible.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Sandman on September 07, 2004, 06:47:08 PM
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Here's the difference, you're not putting any context on it.  There's no delivery, just a vague 'thought provoking video' comment.  The difference between someone who wants to spark a lively discussion versus someone who is trolling can be very fine.


With context, (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=129230)  :D
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on September 07, 2004, 06:48:37 PM
In this case, we have an obvious repost of an item and/or a subject known to have created exceedingly long flame filled threads in the past. It is hard for a reasoned individual to see it as anything other than a troll for a flamefest.

Look, this is real simple. This same subject and a couple of related subjects have either been reposted or "punted" several times in the last week or two, with the expected results. In the case of THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT, the threads have been locked, and some people banned in the process.

Why bother? And if you do, why expect anything else than at least a lock and a temporary ban?
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Sandman on September 07, 2004, 06:50:52 PM
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Look, this is real simple. This same subject and a couple of related subjects have either been reposted or "punted" several times in the last week or two, with the expected results. In the case of THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT, the threads have been locked, and some people banned in the process.


Apparently, this doesn't happen if you provide context. ;)
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Drunky on September 07, 2004, 06:52:39 PM
I like the part where several people said that it sounded like a missle and it smelled like cordite.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Sandman on September 07, 2004, 06:59:47 PM
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Originally posted by Drunky
I like the part where several people said that it sounded like a missle and it smelled like cordite.


Well... absolutely everyone that is anyone recognizes the smell of cordite and hell... don't we all grow up hearing the sound of missiles?

Pffft.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: RTStuka on September 07, 2004, 07:26:22 PM
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Originally posted by schizer
Wow, so easy to classify things.  I just thought it was interesting and thought some other people might think the same. Nothing more nothing less.  Ease up on the AH BB witch hunt.



Oh its on now, this could get INteresting
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Saurdaukar on September 07, 2004, 07:34:28 PM
Again?
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Red Tail 444 on September 07, 2004, 07:35:25 PM
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Not sure what you mean there Martlet.


Join the crowd :lol
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on September 07, 2004, 07:36:13 PM
I'm sick of these spineless "I think it's interesting" conspiracy theory posts...
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Martlet on September 07, 2004, 07:36:28 PM
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Join the crowd :lol


The difference being Skuzzy usually gets it.  You usually don't.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: schizer on September 07, 2004, 07:43:45 PM
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
In this case, we have an obvious repost of an item and/or a subject known to have created exceedingly long flame filled threads in the past. It is hard for a reasoned individual to see it as anything other than a troll for a flamefest.

Look, this is real simple. This same subject and a couple of related subjects have either been reposted or "punted" several times in the last week or two, with the expected results. In the case of THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT, the threads have been locked, and some people banned in the process.

Why bother? And if you do, why expect anything else than at least a lock and a temporary ban?



Oh I dunno maybe b/c some of us dont sit at "work" all day posting on a BB, or come home and read every thread.  Reposts are bound to happen, deal with it.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on September 07, 2004, 08:01:08 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
Well... absolutely everyone that is anyone recognizes the smell of cordite and hell... don't we all grow up hearing the sound of missiles?

Pffft.


Oh Dear Cod, I'm finding common ground with Sandman.:eek:
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: rpm on September 07, 2004, 08:04:41 PM
Yeah, it was a missle. Also, this just in: The moon is made of green cheese, the earth is actually flat and Tour of Duty will be released in 2 weeks.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on September 07, 2004, 08:04:47 PM
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Originally posted by schizer
Oh I dunno maybe b/c some of us dont sit at "work" all day posting on a BB, or come home and read every thread.  Reposts are bound to happen, deal with it.


Note the SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST WEEK OR TWO in the section you quoted. One or two reposts over a long period of time is one thing, but when you have the SAME THING reposted or punted multiple times in a short period of time, it sort of cuts down on the possibility of coincidence being likely. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it ain't real likely to be a polar bear.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on September 07, 2004, 08:06:08 PM
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Originally posted by rpm371
Yeah, it was a missle. Also, this just in: The moon is made of green cheese, the earth is actually flat and Tour of Duty will be released in 2 weeks.


Damn it man!
Don't tell EVERYONE!
It's supposed to be a secret!
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: cpxxx on September 07, 2004, 08:54:39 PM
I dunno Schizer but you probably didn't see the last thread to feature this video. Hence the slightly puzzling (to you) reactions you got. It got nasty very quickly and was locked in very short time.

But in that time I managed to Google up a complete debunk of the video and all the other conspiracy theories complete with photos of bits of aeroplane all over the Pentagon.

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

What's interesting about conspiracy theories is just how plausible they are. Read them or watch the video and you are convinced. But the smallest amount of research usually contradicts the idea. You just know the person who put the thing together saw the same evidence but either ignored it because of their agenda or because they are trolling.

People say that the internet has helped crazy ideas to proliferate. But the great thing about the internet is that it can debunk any crazy theory. Google is almost magic sometimes.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Gunslinger on September 07, 2004, 09:44:43 PM
This is insane.......

Missles?  Cordite?

(http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/PENT02.jpg)

This looks like any fuel fire I've ever seen.  Really dark smoke, red in the middle.

and here we are folks.....aircraft parts.

(http://www.rense.com/general32/fuselagefragment_MVC-027S.jpg)

How do I know?????? I dont know of anything in the world building related that comes in that lime green color.

HOWEVER, almost every part we've ever gotten from supply for any jet we work on UNPAINTED comes in that lime green color.  I'm not sure if its a primer coat or a coarosion preventative thing.


wait was this thread about trolls or planes crashing?
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: RTSigma on September 07, 2004, 09:50:38 PM
Crziness aside....ask yourself about the Pentagon being hit by a large passenger plane.

Its too neat looking and its an interesting point to ponder.


But the real question is, if a missle did hit the Pentagon, or some other plane, what happened to the real passenger plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon?
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Gunslinger on September 07, 2004, 09:57:25 PM
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Originally posted by RTSigma
Crziness aside....ask yourself about the Pentagon being hit by a large passenger plane.

Its too neat looking and its an interesting point to ponder.



nope its facts.  Its eyewitness accounts of real people that were there not some internet flash movie.

Quote



But the real question is, if a missle did hit the Pentagon, or some other plane, what happened to the real passenger plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon?


it hit the pentagon.

Keep in mind the plane didnt just hit one building.....It hit the ground than it hit 3  seperate buildings.  The pentagon is ringed and it penetrated 3 of them.

I've been to crash sites on recovery before and the biggest peice we found of an F16 was about the size of a keyboard.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Thrawn on September 07, 2004, 09:57:27 PM
I thought the sound track was totally wicked.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: Gunslinger on September 07, 2004, 10:01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I thought the sound track was totally wicked.


agreed for complete dilusional lunacy it was very well "presented" If it were based on facts I would have thaught it very well produced.

Bout the only thing true I saw in it was the fact that the FBI seized security camera footage.....sounds about normal after the worst attack on our country in history.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: CMC Airboss on September 07, 2004, 10:47:01 PM
It was hit by an airplane...   Conspiracy theorists, get over it.  

CNN video from the Pentagon

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen.pentagon.pictures/index.html



MiG
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: straffo on September 08, 2004, 02:19:18 AM
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Originally posted by Martlet
You give me far more credit than I deserve.


Rotlfmao :) good one Martlet :rofl
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: jetb123 on September 08, 2004, 03:54:15 AM
Good stuff. I like the music:D
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: jetb123 on September 08, 2004, 03:56:22 AM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
nope its facts.  Its eyewitness accounts of real people that were there not some internet flash movie.

 

it hit the pentagon.

Keep in mind the plane didnt just hit one building.....It hit the ground than it hit 3  seperate buildings.  The pentagon is ringed and it penetrated 3 of them.

I've been to crash sites on recovery before and the biggest peice we found of an F16 was about the size of a keyboard.
 Um I seen on a show called myth busters. They used a small jet engine to see if it could blow a car over. It didnt do that but the car got totaly mangled doors came off paint etc. Dont you think that would have happen to eyewitness to? if it is going 500+ mph.
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: SaburoS on September 08, 2004, 04:52:16 AM
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Originally posted by rpm371
Yeah, it was a missle. Also, this just in: The moon is made of green cheese, the earth is actually flat and Tour of Duty will be released in 2 weeks.


How dare you lie like that! You know very well Tour of Duty will NOT be released in two weeks!
Title: Pentagon Not Hit by Airplane?
Post by: deSelys on September 08, 2004, 05:02:20 AM
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Originally posted by rpm371
Yeah, it was a missle. Also, this just in: The moon is made of green cheese, the earth is actually flat and Tour of Duty will be released in 2 weeks.


MMmmmm green cheese.....