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source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4288-2004Sep8.html)
More Bush Guard Records Released
By Matt Kelley
Associated Press
Wednesday, September 8, 2004; 2:55 AM
WASHINGTON -- Months after insisting it could find no more records of President Bush's Air National Guard service, the Defense Department has released more than two dozen pages of files, including Bush's report card for flight training and dates of his flights.
The Pentagon and Bush's campaign have claimed for months that all records detailing his fighter pilot career have been made public, but defense officials acknowledged Tuesday they had found two dozen new records detailing his training and flight logs after the AP sued and submitted new requests under the public records law.
Bush's Vietnam-era service in the Texas Air National Guard has become an issue in the presidential campaign as the candidates spar over who would make the best commander in chief. Supporters of Democratic nominee John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, have criticized Bush for serving stateside in the National Guard. Kerry's Republican critics claim Kerry did not deserve some of his five medals.
"These documents confirm that the president served honorably in the National Guard," White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan said Tuesday night.
Democratic National Committee communications director Jano Cabrera disagreed. "For months George Bush told the nation that all his military records were public," he said. "Now we know why Bush was trying so hard to withhold these records. When his nation asked him to be on call against possible surprise attacks, Bush wasn't there."
The records show his last flight was in April 1972, which is consistent with pay records indicating Bush had a lapse of duty between April and October of that year. Bush has said he had permission to go to Alabama in 1972 to work on an unsuccessful Republican Senate campaign. Bush skipped a required medical exam that cost him his pilot's status in August of that year.
Bush's 2000 campaign suggested the future president skipped his medical exam in part because the F-102A was nearly obsolete. Records show Bush's Texas unit flew the F-102A until 1974 and used the jets as part of an air defense drill during 1972.
A six-month historical record of his 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, also turned over to the AP on Tuesday, shows some of the training Bush missed with his colleagues during that time.
It showed the unit joined a "24-hour active alert mission to safeguard against surprise attack" in the southern United States beginning on Oct. 6, 1972, a mission for which Bush was not present, according to his pay records.
As part of the mission, the 147th kept two F-102A jets -- the same type Bush flew before he was grounded -- on ready alert to be launched within five minutes' warning.
The newly released records do not include any from five categories of documents Bush's commanders had been required to keep in response to the gaps in Bush's training in 1972 and 1973. For example, National Guard commanders were required to perform an investigation whenever any pilot skipped a medical exam and forward the results up the Air Force chain of command. No such documents have surfaced.
Looks like the cleaning crew missed a box.
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Bush in an electoral landslide... get used to it.
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Oh this is gonna be good.
All I need is a lawnchair and some peanuts...
PS don't bother Skuzzy, I'll 'Off Topic' this post myself within an hour or two ;) :D :aok
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So.... are we going to get Kerry's records next....?
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John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam combat veteran,
Washington post, you got a little something on your lip. Were you giving kerry a Bl... Nevermind.
I just love how they slip this one in there.
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Its an AP article! AP reporting as of late has been so liberal slanted as to become suspect... We have lately pulled stories with false info with no retractions apoligizing for the false information. "Example the Bush rally story where the crowd was reported by the AP to Boo when told of Clintons bypass lobatamy surgery" A rerun of the vid proved no booing from the crowd" The AP pulled the story with no retractions-
IKON
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Agreed with IKon.
AP's liberal slant is out of control lately.
It really is obvious.
Anyone notice who filed the FoI request for these particular records....
That's right.
The AP.
But does it really matter?
Not to me. Bush is a proven leader. Kerry is not.
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In other news Kerry announces latest campaign poster..
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/587_1094658599_kerryedwardsslogan1972.jpg)
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Originally posted by deSelys
Oh this is gonna be good.
All I need is a lawnchair and some peanuts...
I'll share my Pastis with you if you give me some peanuts.
ok ?
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so this is the best the liberals can do for their "october surprise" that and running the debunked f911 at the rental stores ain't gonna do it.
lazs
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*Yawn*
*Stretch*
*Scratch*
Next.....
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Originally posted by 1K0N
Its an AP article! AP reporting as of late has been so liberal slanted as to become suspect... We have lately pulled stories with false info with no retractions apoligizing for the false information. "Example the Bush rally story where the crowd was reported by the AP to Boo when told of Clintons bypass lobatamy surgery" A rerun of the vid proved no booing from the crowd" The AP pulled the story with no retractions-
IKON
When the information isn't to your liking..... blame the source!
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This is bad news for the Dems!
It showed the unit joined a "24-hour active alert mission to safeguard against surprise attack" in the southern United States beginning on Oct. 6, 1972, a mission for which Bush was not present, according to his pay records.
Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972
Hmm, now the Dems will have to try a new angle!
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When the information isn't to your liking..... blame the source!
What do you think our reaction would be if you quoted an article from Al-jazeera.net?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
What do you think our reaction would be if you quoted an article from Al-jazeera.net?
Depends on what the quote is obviously.. 8)
Good post rpm.. ;)
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Depends on what the quote is obviously.. 8)
Good post rpm.. ;)
So you agree it clear Bush then? Thats what the article is saying.
It showed the unit joined a "24-hour active alert mission to safeguard against surprise attack" in the southern United States beginning on Oct. 6, 1972, a mission for which Bush was not present, according to his pay records.
Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972
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Wow - that Washinton Post artical reads very differently than the original artical that reported this first.
Leaving out an aweful lot of "favorable to Bush" info there.
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Boston globe shilling for kerry, by bring up an old story, mean well kerry has yet to release his records. the local radio stations here have talked about how foolish this stroy is and how obvious it is an attempt add kerry's sliding polling numbers.
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wow
seems to had a huge bearing on his leadership skills for the last 4 years ... :rolleyes:
skerry needs to think about today and tomorrow and get out of his yesteryear fantasy world
next is kitty bush book telling how GW snorted coke at camp david - LOL
great campaign handsomehunkcrats - sounds like an episode from Jerry Springer - LOL
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Pre-emptive post :D
Before any of you lefties say "He wasn’t flying because he refused to take his required physical, rendering himself unfit to fly and perform his duty of protecting this nation" let me just say that he was reassigned to Alabama where he was going to have desk duty. if you don't fly you don't need to have a flight physical.
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Originally posted by mosgood
When the information isn't to your liking..... blame the source!
sort of, blame the source when they deserve blame would be more accurate... Make up stories to support a personal agenda as a reporter is considered very bad in the newspaper business, ask the NYT and they would agree with that!
IKON
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Damn I thought this was a post about Brush Guards for trucks. :(
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
This is bad news for the Dems!
It showed the unit joined a "24-hour active alert mission to safeguard against surprise attack" in the southern United States beginning on Oct. 6, 1972, a mission for which Bush was not present, according to his pay records.
Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972
Hmm, now the Dems will have to try a new angle!
Duck and cover...It's Texans for Truth. (http://www.texansfortruth.com)
(http://www.texansfortruth.com/images/tv_mintz.jpg)
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lol Texans for Truth just has a nice quality ring about it! Think I might donate! haha
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Originally posted by rpm371
VOTE KERRY, HE IS YOUR GUY ON THE IMPORTANT ISSUES!!!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/587_1094658599_kerryedwardsslogan1972.jpg)
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
lol Texans for Truth just has a nice quality ring about it! Think I might donate! haha
Kappa be careful dude, we are rigging your office building with explosives. We will set them off after we crash giant airliners into the nearby buildings - so you should have some time to get away - just be careful of the debris from the other buildings..
Make sure you post again tommorow so we know you are safe, OK?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
LMAO GRUN!:rofl
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In the new ad, retired lieutenant colonel Robert Mintz says he "heard George W. Bush get up there and say, 'I served in the 187th Air National Guard in Montgomery, Alabama.'
"I said, 'Really? That was my unit. And I don't remember seeing you there,' " Mintz says. "So I called my friends and said, 'Did you know that George Bush served in our unit?' And everyone said, 'No, I never saw him there.' It would be impossible to be unseen in a unit of that size."
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teehee! I dont work in a building.. but I do build them! 8) Besides the whole place has a fence around it and many loyal mexicans guarding the joint.. fat chance they get in here!!
Make sure you check on me tomorrow, k? I could be wrong..They are everywhere you know..
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
teehee! I dont work in a building.. but I do build them! 8) Besides the whole place has a fence around it and many loyal mexicans guarding the joint.. fat chance they get in here!!
And I thought you could think for yourself and not just accept the corporate slanted surface BS from the big media corps....
Well you cant say I didnt warn you.. :(
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
And I thought you could think for yourself and not just accept the corporate slanted surface BS from the big media corps....
Well you cant say I didnt warn you.. :(
expand please?
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not bad...but wait till Kitty Kelly's book comes out ,,,,ohhh it's going to be fun!!!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/4/13036/20280
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
This is bad news for the Dems!
It showed the unit joined a "24-hour active alert mission to safeguard against surprise attack" in the southern United States beginning on Oct. 6, 1972, a mission for which Bush was not present, according to his pay records.
Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972
Hmm, now the Dems will have to try a new angle!
Not that this issue makes any difference on his ability to be the President... Where exactly did you get the "Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972" part? It certainly wasn't in the article that RPM posted. Would there happen to be any record of this "presumable" service in Alabama? If you did, it would actually make your post make sense, or at least have some credibility.
-edit- LOL, n/m, apparently RPM is copy & pasting to suite his agenda. Your post makes a lot more sense now, but the presumably is still the kicker. But again, I don't think it affects his ability to be a President in the slightest.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
expand please?
Why? You would never belive what I just found out...
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Originally posted by SOB
Not that this issue makes any difference on his ability to be the President... Where exactly did you get the "Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972" part? It certainly wasn't in the article that RPM posted. Would there happen to be any record of this "presumable" service in Alabama? If you did, it would actually make your post make sense, or at least have some credibility.
It is part of the original article, you have to click the link. I edited for brevity.
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Brevity, eh.
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Originally posted by SOB
Not that this issue makes any difference on his ability to be the President... Where exactly did you get the "Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972" part? It certainly wasn't in the article that RPM posted. Would there happen to be any record of this "presumable" service in Alabama? If you did, it would actually make your post make sense, or at least have some credibility.
-edit- LOL, n/m, apparently RPM is copy & pasting to suite his agenda. Your post makes a lot more sense now, but the presumably is still the kicker. But again, I don't think it affects his ability to be a President in the slightest.
The story is found on the net from various news services. Depending how much slanted to the left is how much the WHOLE story is left out. ;)
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Yes, brevity. I tried to be "fair and balanced" and give both sides response while keeping it as short as possible. If I wanted to hatchet the article I could have done a much better job. I also would not have posted the link to the entire article.
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Heh, well I don't believe that for a second, but I suppose I could be wrong.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why? You would never belive what I just found out...
lol afraid to play? No worries.. Let me know if you change your mind and wanna let me know what:
And I thought you could think for yourself and not just accept the corporate slanted surface BS from the big media corps....
is suppose to mean. Untill then, I really dont care what you just found out.. 8)
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
not bad...but wait till Kitty Kelly's book comes out ,,,,ohhh it's going to be fun!!!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/4/13036/20280
lmao Schaden.. THAT looks very promising! hehe
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Originally posted by SOB
Heh, well I don't believe that for a second, but I suppose I could be wrong.
Trust me on this one, SOB.
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I thought we were denouncing 527's last week? And we wanted to focus on current events?
It's all so confusing.
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I believe the reason that the drill dates were added was to show that he did drill in those months. He may have had permission to drill in Alabama he may have not had permission. The question would be, where was he assigned? Just because he got permission to drill in Alabama doesnt mean he was assigned to that unit. Now if he were still assigned to the unit in Texas when they went on alert he should have been there. Alert calls and drill weekends are two different things.
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Originally posted by rpm371
...I edited for brevity.
LOL - another Michael Moore-on writer
going for best pix too? LOL
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
not bad...but wait till Kitty Kelly's book comes out ,,,,ohhh it's going to be fun!!!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/4/13036/20280
(http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/family.jpg)
London's Daily Mirror is reporting that the new book delves into the drug use of George W. Bush and even the indiscretions of the First Lady, Laura Bush. The book alleges that while Bush served in National Guard he "liked to sneak out back for a joint or into the bathroom for a line of cocaine." It also alleges from a source related to the president that "Bush did coke at Camp David when his father was President, and not just once either."
(http://www.brinkmann-herford.com/BaghdadB.jpg)
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That Barb Bush.. She even looks like a witch now I think! hehe
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This is what the democratic party has been reduced to?
*laughs*
Hey, maybe we should fax some threats to Kitty Kelley and threaten the publisher!!!
:rofl: