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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JBA on September 08, 2004, 12:15:10 PM
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Russia prepares Bush doctrine.
One more ally in the World war against terror, maybe France and Germany will wake up next?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1503&ncid=732&e=4&u=/afp/20040908/ts_afp/russia_attacks_military
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Hmmm...
"Military action is the last resort in the fight agaisnt terrorism."
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When they target women and children specifically, as in Russia, the gloves are off, and the last resort becomes the only viable option. Those are vermin, extermination is in order.
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I hope they dont blow up grozny for the third time...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I hope they dont blow up grozny for the third time...
Grun please STFU.
You still didn't tell me the secret way to take fortified cities without using artillery and shturmoviks.
And while saying this you still justify the genocide of Serbian population in Krajna. Did Serbs from Krajna blow apartment houses in Zagreb?
As for this General Staff statements: some sane parliament politicians already said that any agressive actions against souverign states must be approved by Security Council. I hope that direct threat from terrorists hosted by neighbouring states like Georgia (that uses Chechen terrorists in conflict with South Osetia now) can be answered without any decisions by UN.
Also, you have to understand, that any military action by Russian armed forces will never be supported by out European and American "friends". The still live in cold war. Do you know that US Department of State made a statement that again calls for "political solution" in Chechnya and declared that US government will keep on consulting with Chechen terrorist representatives? This is called a "war on terrorism" :( Giving them political asylum and "consulting" with terrorists means fighting terrorism? :confused:
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Links:
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/09/08/washington.shtml
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/08/06/ilyas.shtml
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There is artillery and then there is artillery.. Hey lets think of this as preemptive revenge for the school massacre!!
Grozny, the cvapital of Chechnya:
(http://www.freechechnya.org/images/grozny_square_after.jpg)
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Circumventing the language filter
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Grun, you don't deserve my attention. I have said it many times before, i don't know why I bother with you. Your hump can be cured only by the grave. Your hatred to Orthodox nations is irrational, you prefer to side with terrorists and justify any act of violence and genocide against Orthodox population.
Edbert, people like Zakayev, known terrorist accused in multiple crimes including slaughtering of Orthodox priests, who got political asylum in the UK, are on UN terrorist lists for quite a long time. It's a sad practice of double standards. :(
Unfortunately "war on terrorism" is only a slogan, and "Russia has only two allies: it's Army and Navy" (c) Alexander III, the only Emperor who didn't wage any wars.
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Again your obessesion with the Orthodox religion... I have no clue why you even think this figures into my thinking. I have never said anything or alluded to anything of the sort...
:rofl
But as far as Chechnya, if you think that blowing up Grozny one more time will put this whole Chechen terrorist matter to rest then by all means do so... I still see a few annoying shadows on the picuture, those have surely got to go!
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I don't know what shocked me more today; finding myself in agreement with GSholtz or a New York Times op/ed peice!
But I find myself in complete agreement with David Brooks in this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/07/opinion/07brooks.html
For those of you without logon accounts, here is the article:
Cult of Death
By DAVID BROOKS
We've been forced to witness the massacre of innocents. In New York, Madrid, Moscow, Tel Aviv, Baghdad and Bali, we have seen thousands of people destroyed while going about the daily activities of life.
We've been forced to endure the massacre of children. Whether it's teenagers outside an Israeli disco or students in Beslan, Russia, we've seen kids singled out as special targets.
We should by now have become used to the death cult that is thriving at the fringes of the Muslim world. This is the cult of people who are proud to declare, "You love life, but we love death." This is the cult that sent waves of defenseless children to be mowed down on the battlefields of the Iran-Iraq war, that trains kindergartners to become bombs, that fetishizes death, that sends people off joyfully to commit mass murder.
This cult attaches itself to a political cause but parasitically strangles it. The death cult has strangled the dream of a Palestinian state. The suicide bombers have not brought peace to Palestine; they've brought reprisals. The car bombers are not pushing the U.S. out of Iraq; they're forcing us to stay longer. The death cult is now strangling the Chechen cause, and will bring not independence but blood.
But that's the idea. Because the death cult is not really about the cause it purports to serve. It's about the sheer pleasure of killing and dying.
It's about massacring people while in a state of spiritual loftiness. It's about experiencing the total freedom of barbarism - freedom even from human nature, which says, Love children, and Love life. It's about the joy of sadism and suicide.
We should be used to this pathological mass movement by now. We should be able to talk about such things. Yet when you look at the Western reaction to the Beslan massacres, you see people quick to divert their attention away from the core horror of this act, as if to say: We don't want to stare into this abyss. We don't want to acknowledge those parts of human nature that were on display in Beslan. Something here, if thought about too deeply, undermines the categories we use to live our lives, undermines our faith in the essential goodness of human beings.
Three years after Sept. 11, too many people have become experts at averting their eyes. If you look at the editorials and public pronouncements made in response to Beslan, you see that they glide over the perpetrators of this act and search for more conventional, more easily comprehensible targets for their rage.
The Boston Globe editorial, which was typical of the American journalistic response, made two quick references to the barbarity of the terrorists, but then quickly veered off with long passages condemning Putin and various Russian policy errors.
The Dutch foreign minister, Bernard Bot, speaking on behalf of the European Union, declared: "All countries in the world need to work together to prevent tragedies like this. But we also would like to know from the Russian authorities how this tragedy could have happened."
It wasn't a tragedy. It was a carefully planned mass murder operation. And it wasn't Russian authorities who stuffed basketball nets with explosives and shot children in the back as they tried to run away.
Whatever horrors the Russians have perpetrated upon the Chechens, whatever their ineptitude in responding to the attack, the essential nature of this act was in the act itself. It was the fact that a team of human beings could go into a school, live with hundreds of children for a few days, look them in the eyes and hear their cries, and then blow them up.
Dissertations will be written about the euphemisms the media used to describe these murderers. They were called "separatists" and "hostage-takers." Three years after Sept. 11, many are still apparently unable to talk about this evil. They still try to rationalize terror. What drives the terrorists to do this? What are they trying to achieve?
They're still victims of the delusion that Paul Berman diagnosed after Sept. 11: "It was the belief that, in the modern world, even the enemies of reason cannot be the enemies of reason. Even the unreasonable must be, in some fashion, reasonable."
This death cult has no reason and is beyond negotiation. This is what makes it so frightening. This is what causes so many to engage in a sort of mental diversion. They don't want to confront this horror. So they rush off in search of more comprehensible things to hate.
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Grunherz has a point. Flattening Grozny and laying waste to Chechnya did not work the last time. All it did was create the kind of pitiless monsters that took those children hostage and murdered them. I posted these before.
Consider this
http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archiv...3_122_1_eng.txt
Thrown up by a single random search in google.
This
http://www.hrw.org/press/2000/06/chech0602.htm
and this
http://www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/...dd?OpenDocument
This war won't be won that way.
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Why is Putin preventing independent investigations about recent happenings ?
Is he, with the army, hiding something they don't want people of Russia to know about ?
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Originally posted by Staga
Why is Putin preventing independent investigations about recent happenings ?
Is he, with the army, hiding something they don't want people of Russia to know about ?
The only reasonable explaination for this is that they don't want to spread terror. Do you know why there was no terrorism in USSR? No environment to spread terror...
I want people who made this terror attack possible to be hanged on street lamp posts. :mad: But I doubt we'll never know them. At least Putin was sincere saying this :mad:
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Grunherz has a point. Flattening Grozny and laying waste to Chechnya did not work the last time. All it did was create the kind of pitiless monsters that took those children hostage and murdered them. I posted these before.
Consider this
http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archiv...3_122_1_eng.txt
Thrown up by a single random search in google.
This
http://www.hrw.org/press/2000/06/chech0602.htm
and this
http://www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/...dd?OpenDocument
This war won't be won that way.
The only link that opened was the one from human rights watch, a well-known CIA-sponsored terrorist supporting organisation.
What amazes me is that every "human rights watching" freak screams about Russian "atrocities" at every corner, completely forgeting about Chechen genocide, rapes, murders, kidnapping and slavery. They call it a "cultural tradition of a small but brave highlander nation" that didn't have an idea of writing before evil Russians came.
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CIA-sponsored terrorist supporting organisation.
Really!
Chechen atrocities don't justify for Russian atrocities which doesn't justify what those monsters did in Beslan. You would be quick enough to condemm America if they did the same.
They call it a "cultural tradition of a small but brave highlander nation" that didn't have an idea of writing before evil Russians came.
Yes Russia absorbed them for their own good.
It is always the fate of the conqueror to be puzzled at the ingratitude of the conquered.
In Soviet times I realised that we in the west were taught a more accurate version of Russian history than the Soviet citizens were allowed. That habit is hard to break.
Like or not Putin has created a monster which he now must kill without creating new monsters.
JBA
One more ally in the World war against terror, maybe France and Germany will wake up next?
Both have been and are an ally. France was fighting and suffering Islamic terror long before 911.
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There are less extreme Chechen's who do not support terror. It is with these forces that the US State Department is referring to when calling for a "political solution" in Chechnya.
They certainly aren't calling for Putin to negotiate directly with the type of scum that carried out the attack at Breslan.
The US doesn’t have such an entity to negotiate with. The Israelis do but only as far as the Arafat and company to take it.
The thing of it is is that the terrorists don't really want a political solution in Chechnya any more then the terrorists in Iraq or in Palestine do.
They thrive under conflict and need it to perpetuate their importance among the "suffering". It is from this group that they find the suicide bombers.
Putin won’t ever do this because he will look weak in front of the Russian people. As this war escalated it now has become a "blood war". Kill my son I will kill your entire family etc...
With this reality the only other solution is to exterminate the terrorists and potential terrorists entirely.
We know the west won’t ever go in that extreme. They will always seek a political solution even to a point where it becomes irrational.
What will Putin do? Anything short of extermination will only perpetuate the blood war. Without the will to decide on a political solution or to declare total war the situation will remain as is. Eye for an Eye, son for son; daughter for daughter.
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I feel like watching "Sum of all fears"
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
I feel like watching "Sum of all fears"
The book is better.
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let them lay waste. who kind of sick tulips kill children?
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This is the cult of people who are proud to declare, "You love life, but we love death."
I say we make em happy, and give em what they love ;)
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A top Russian general on Wednesday warned the military will strike "terrorist bases in any region of the world,"
"As for carrying out preventive strikes against terrorist bases, we will take all measures to liquidate terrorist bases in any region of the world," Baluyevsky told reporters.
sounds alot like the Bush docterine to me! I wonder if it will take 3 years for them to be called imperialist arab haters.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
sounds alot like the Bush docterine to me! I wonder if it will take 3 years for them to be called imperialist arab haters.
and accused of "rushing to war".:rolleyes:
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Kill children ?
These islimic pukes befriended some of the towns people when they helped to build the school. All the while hiding weapons in the walls,burying them etc.
Kill children , no they just didnt kill children.
They gave them no water for the 3 days they had them,they made them drink their urine. They made them sit in there own excreatment. They gouaged the eyes out of some of them. They raped every little girl they could.
When they blew the roof they killed a lot of children, panicked, the other kids ran for the doors,they then proceeded to shoot the children in the back. When some of them ran out of ammo, they started stabing as many as they could. One 3 year old had 12 stab wounds designed to not kill quick.
Where is the outrage from c.a.r.e. The protest in the streets of America...Ya I am a racest.
If that is what it takes, then I gladly accept that mantle.I will admit this, the russians are not home free, but the pukes have targetted children now ,
And so many think it wont happen here ,well guess what something like it is happenning in afganstan now,look at drudge report.,
When I read this I had tears in my eyes,I have no doubt some of you will say I am a coward,fine ,so be it.
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Is there ever a justification to target, then kill innocent civillians (from the infants to the elderly)? I'd say no.
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Originally posted by demaw1
Kill children ?
These islimic pukes befriended some of the towns people when they helped to build the school. All the while hiding weapons in the walls,burying them etc.
Kill children , no they just didnt kill children.
They gave them no water for the 3 days they had them,they made them drink their urine. They made them sit in there own excreatment. They gouaged the eyes out of some of them. They raped every little girl they could.
When they blew the roof they killed a lot of children, panicked, the other kids ran for the doors,they then proceeded to shoot the children in the back. When some of them ran out of ammo, they started stabing as many as they could. One 3 year old had 12 stab wounds designed to not kill quick.
Where is the outrage from c.a.r.e. The protest in the streets of America...Ya I am a racest.
If that is what it takes, then I gladly accept that mantle.I will admit this, the russians are not home free, but the pukes have targetted children now ,
And so many think it wont happen here ,well guess what something like it is happenning in afganstan now,look at drudge report.,
When I read this I had tears in my eyes,I have no doubt some of you will say I am a coward,fine ,so be it.
Demaw,
You and I may have our disagreements, but I would never consider you a coward, ever. I can't see how anyone would see that in you.
It takes a brave man sometimes to let down his guard to show his emotions. You're human, dude.
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(http://images5.fotki.com/v84/photos/1/191148/1296544/003-vi.jpg)
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Originally posted by Wotan
With this reality the only other solution is to exterminate the terrorists and potential terrorists entirely.
We know the west won’t ever go in that extreme. They will always seek a political solution even to a point where it becomes irrational.
What will Putin do? Anything short of extermination will only perpetuate the blood war. Without the will to decide on a political solution or to declare total war the situation will remain as is. Eye for an Eye, son for son; daughter for daughter.
Well said.
What I see: use Israely experience and bulldoze homes of therrorists families. For one illegal weapon - sentence all the family, for "deliberate collective posession of illegal weapons". Exile them for life. Not to Kazakh steppes this times, but to Arctic tundra, 1000km from nearest railway.
Every settlement where terrorists hide must be completely destroy if the elders will not give them up in 24 hours.
Anyone suspected in crimes should be immediately exiled.
Take little kids from terrorist families and send them to Cadet schools.
The only language they understand is force. They should never have a slightest feeling that we are weak.
This is the way they were pacified 150 years ago. It still works. Make them hunt terrorists themselves. If they want to live in peace - the elders of their tribes must give up terrorists dead or alive.
No unnessesary violence. Just follow the law. And forget about "human rights" for terrorists. If they are caught with arms - they are immediately destroyed, and any collateral damage is their fault. No building, settlement or life of any number of terrorist supporters is worth one life of Russian soldier or civilian. If someone shoots from the village - use Grad. Federal forces should use more BM-21 Grad shells then AK-74 ammo. Everyone who tells on Western TV that his house was shelled by jet mortars is a liar.
(http://pvo.guns.ru/weapon/images/capt_russia_chechnya_gq4.jpg)
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Originally posted by Boroda
If they are caught with arms - they are immediately destroyed
I agree with Pavel here. Terrorists should not have arms.
Or legs for that matter.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Boroda
Well said.
What I see: use Israely experience and bulldoze homes of therrorists families. For one illegal weapon - sentence all the family, for "deliberate collective posession of illegal weapons". Exile them for life. Not to Kazakh steppes this times, but to Arctic tundra, 1000km from nearest railway.
Every settlement where terrorists hide must be completely destroy if the elders will not give them up in 24 hours.
Anyone suspected in crimes should be immediately exiled.
Take little kids from terrorist families and send them to Cadet schools.
The only language they understand is force. They should never have a slightest feeling that we are weak.
This is the way they were pacified 150 years ago. It still works. Make them hunt terrorists themselves. If they want to live in peace - the elders of their tribes must give up terrorists dead or alive.
No unnessesary violence. Just follow the law. And forget about "human rights" for terrorists. If they are caught with arms - they are immediately destroyed, and any collateral damage is their fault. No building, settlement or life of any number of terrorist supporters is worth one life of Russian soldier or civilian. If someone shoots from the village - use Grad. Federal forces should use more BM-21 Grad shells then AK-74 ammo. Everyone who tells on Western TV that his house was shelled by jet mortars is a liar.
(http://pvo.guns.ru/weapon/images/capt_russia_chechnya_gq4.jpg)
Ahh yes, deport all the Chechens again.. That really showed them the first time...
And use massive artilery fire to raze whole cities... Yep, that really worked the first TWO times this was done to Grozny..
Federal forces should use more BM-21 Grad [rocket] shells then AK-74 ammo. Everyone who tells on Western TV that his house was shelled by jet mortars is a liar.
Maybe you should volunteer to travel to Chechnya and educate these people as to the different russian artillery weapons that were used to indisciminately kill their families, livestok and destroy their home.. They would apppreciate it, really...
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Look at the situation; the Russians/Chechens is comparable to the US/"anti-Iraq" factions in Iraq.
The US has tried the less aggressive approach. Rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure, setting up free elections, donating billions upon billions. This approach has borne little if any fruit.
The Russians have be much more aggressive. The shelling of Grozny is a good example. This approach has borne little if any fruit.
From my perspective, neither of these approaches has been very successful. So here we have two "real time" examples, from opposite ends of the spectrum, of dealing with the problem of terrorism.
Neither one is very successful. So.......... now what?
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Originally posted by Toad
Look at the situation; the Russians/Chechens is comparable to the US/"anti-Iraq" factions in Iraq.
The US has tried the less aggressive approach. Rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure, setting up free elections, donating billions upon billions. This approach has borne little if any fruit.
The Russians have be much more aggressive. The shelling of Grozny is a good example. This approach has borne little if any fruit.
From my perspective, neither of these approaches has been very successful. So here we have two "real time" examples, from opposite ends of the spectrum, of dealing with the problem of terrorism.
Neither one is very successful. So.......... now what?
I do wonder about that too toad good question.
Leave the morons alone and let them kill eachother ?
for me that is good enough.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Ahh yes, deport all the Chechens again.. That really showed them the first time...
Yes, bloody Russians! It was absolutely different from "deporting" 350,000 Serbs from Krajna, that was OK because it was "approverd by the US"!
:mad:
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Originally posted by airguard
Leave the morons alone and let them kill eachother ?
for me that is good enough.
It was tried in 1996-99. They were left alone, Federal troops withdrawn, Yeltsin and Maskhadov signed a treaty. In 1999 there was nothing left to steal and rob in Chechnya so they started to rob neighbouring Cossack lands in the North and invaded Dagestan in the East, and were kicked out of there by local militants with the assistance of Russian army. Immediately after that they started blowing up apartment homes in Moscow and other cities (several hundreed victims killed by explosions wile sleeping in their homes).
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You do undertand how your call for deportation of Chechens to siberia in that other post makes what you just said incredible hypocritical.... But hey, have another glass of wine...
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There's a good argument that the Russians haven't been tough enough. The point no longer is "why do they hate us" but how can we stop them from killing our families. That’s the responsibility that the Russian government has to its citizenry.
One possible solution is to reach a political agreement with more moderate forces and provide this group with the tools, authority and force necessary to police itself while at the same time establishing an atmosphere of hope so that less folks would be inclined to support or at least die for the terrorists cause. In the short term this may mean an escalation in attacks as the terrorists hope to derail any political solution. Thsi maybe unacceptable to the Russian people.
This is similar to what we (the US) are trying in Iraq.
The second is along the same line as the Israelis. Israel is shackled to a degree by the same moral aversion to total war as the west. I say to a degree because it’s obvious to anyone that Israel is much more brutal in some of their responses then the west.
Should Russia go this route then they will need to go further then even Israel. It’s too large a country to build walls around its border. What caused this situation no longer matters just like it no longer mattered after 9/11. At this point in time there's no getting along just to get along, it’s kill or be killed.
Pavel is right in that total war means total war. Any half measure only feeds the terrorists and ensures a continuing war. No matter how much you feel the Russians deserve what they get due to their actions toward the Chechens the answer for the Russian people will never be to allow these attacks to continue as some sort of accepted punishment.
They have a right to demand that their government keep them safe. Their government has an obligation to see to it that this never happens again.
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I think every grown up man in the world should buy or (steal) himselve a weapon.
then start shooting at his neigbour cause of all the diffrences they have and all the difficulties they had.
that will problaby solve all problems in the world ?
(this means i give up lol ) go on guys I am clueless.
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Well, it's obvious that our approach in Iraq will never result in a "quick fix".
Will the Russian people put up with it for as long as it takes?
Would WE put up with it if what's happening in Iraq was happening just across one of our border and the incidents the Russians have suffered were happening in the US?
It's certainly not beyond reason that a similar school incident could happen here tomorrow. Our schools are certainly "soft targets" and it wouldn't take that many people to achieve a significant terrorist strike. Guns and explosives could easily come across the border as part of a coke or smoke shipment. The pieces are here and so is the opportunity.
What do we do then?
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Originally posted by Toad
Well, it's obvious that our approach in Iraq will never result in a "quick fix".
Will the Russian people put up with it for as long as it takes?
Would WE put up with it if what's happening in Iraq was happening just across one of our border and the incidents the Russians have suffered were happening in the US?
It's certainly not beyond reason that a similar school incident could happen here tomorrow. Our schools are certainly "soft targets" and it wouldn't take that many people to achieve a significant terrorist strike. Guns and explosives could easily come across the border as part of a coke or smoke shipment. The pieces are here and so is the opportunity.
What do we do then?
Flatten a mid eastern city?
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Originally posted by airguard
I think every grown up man in the world should buy or (steal) himselve a weapon.
then start shooting at his neigbour cause of all the diffrences they have and all the difficulties they had.
that will problaby solve all problems in the world ?
(this means i give up lol ) go on guys I am clueless.
this always helps Grun :)
(well it deleted the vikings in their time 800-1200)
they did that all over and all over again and boy it worked
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You do undertand how your call for deportation of Chechens to siberia in that other post makes what you just said incredible hypocritical.... But hey, have another glass of wine...
I call for permanent exile for criminals according to Russian laws.
Your compatriots didn't give poor Serbs a single chance. 350,000 Serbs were "deported" or eliminated by a single action. :mad:
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Which provision in Russian law allows for mass deporations of whole ethinc groups to very alien and unfavorible climates?
Please understand, I'm not at all doubting that Ruissia has such laws. I'm just curious exactly which ones they are...
BTW If chechens are so dumb, backwards, ignorant and useless and lazy a people as you so often say why dont you just let them go and give them their independance? Certainly the ols Soviet Union lost many economically vital states post 1991 so evenn if chechnya has some resources why the big fuss? Again especially considering the mere hairy growling subhumans you claim reside there..
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why grunz, that sounds like Quebec ;)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Which provision in Russian law allows for mass deporations of whole ethinc groups to very alien and unfavorible climates?
Please understand, I'm not at all doubting that Ruissia has such laws. I'm just curious exactly which ones they are...
There are laws that allow to sentence them for illegal weapon posession and other funny things. It's up to our judicial system to choos an appropriate place for their punishment.
Again: I do not want "whole ethinc groups" to be deported, we are not a fascist state, and traditionally tolerant (Russian Empire or USSR never had national segregation or opression according to nationality). I want criminals punished, and our current system fails to do it.
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
BTW If chechens are so dumb, backwards, ignorant and useless and lazy a people as you so often say why dont you just let them go and give them their independance? Certainly the ols Soviet Union lost many economically vital states post 1991 so evenn if chechnya has some resources why the big fuss? Again especially considering the mere hairy growling subhumans you claim reside there..
After they were "pacified" in the middle of XIX century - they became valuable citizens of the Empire. Did you know that Nikolay II personal bodyguards were mostly Chechens. Problem is that they behave well only when they see force, not weakness.
Grun, you again fail to read what I post, or there is something wrong with my English. I already posted this above in this thread:
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Originally posted by airguard
Leave the morons alone and let them kill eachother ?
for me that is good enough.
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It was tried in 1996-99. They were left alone, Federal troops withdrawn, Yeltsin and Maskhadov signed a treaty. In 1999 there was nothing left to steal and rob in Chechnya so they started to rob neighbouring Cossack lands in the North and invaded Dagestan in the East, and were kicked out of there by local militants with the assistance of Russian army. Immediately after that they started blowing up apartment homes in Moscow and other cities (several hundreed victims killed by explosions wile sleeping in their homes).
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USSR never had national segregation or opression according to nationality
You mean Stalins deportations of huge poulations didnt happend?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You mean Stalins deportations of huge poulations didnt happend?
This was probably one of two or maybe even three times when nationality was a factor.
Please note that deprotation of Chechens, Inhushs, Crimean Tatars and some other Caucasian nations happened in war time, when this three "nationalities" were almost 100% supporting Hitler, slaughtering Russians and other nations of the Union and massively deserting from the Army (if serving at all). In war time it was easier to send them all to Kazakhstan, away from the front line, then to judge who is not guilty. It was not mass slaughter, not genocide - it was the most rational and least violent solution. And Chechens and Crimean Tatars who served with honor were not deported, but recieved all possible awards, like Amet-Khan Sultan, one of the top VVS aces, a Crimean Tatar.
Do you think Kazakhs were happy to get such "citizens"?...
BTW, deportation of German colonists from Ukraine and Volga started only after multiple accidents when this people started shooting Soviet soldiers in the back... Again - no mass executions, just deportation. Remember, it was war time.
Grun, you speak about things that you don't understand and see through the prism of cold-war propaganda.