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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Muckmaw1 on September 08, 2004, 01:07:32 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040908/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_poll_bush_kerry_040908164913
So what's bothering you guys so much?
Is it Bush saying, I'll do what I think is best for my country first and worry about what the world thinks later/.
Is it Kerry being prim and polished and looking like a Euro?
Is it Bush's Cowbay attitude?
Is it Bush putting America first?
I'm really curious.
But the best part is...this poll is meaningless!
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So guess what would happen if the entire world were to vote for the next US President?
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040908/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_poll_bush_kerry_040908164913
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
So guess what would happen if the entire world were to vote for the next US President?
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040908/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_poll_bush_kerry_040908164913
So, guess how much I REALLY care. No, REALLY.
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Whew, thank god I know that, now I know who to vote for! You're the GREATAST Shaden!
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Kerry is French! ;)
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Yep you're right, rest of the WORLD is obviously wrong....
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If the world wants Kerry, then we certainly know who we DON'T want. Thanks!;) (Pssst...we're getting tired of bailing yer butts out of world wars..)
Oh, FWIW, here is one reason why France wants Kerry...so they can pull the wool over his eyes, apparently we can see whats going on with Bush in office...
The intelligence reports showing French assistance to Saddam ongoing in the late winter of 2002 helped explain why France refused to deal harshly with Iraq and blocked U.S. moves at the United Nations.
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Hey, I have an idea. They can elect Kerry omnipotent grand leader of the Europeon Union. Or even better, illustrious ultimate potentate of the United Nations. That way, they can have Kerry as a great world leader, and get him the HELL out of here.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Yep you're right, rest of the WORLD is obviously wrong....
Thought I'd quote this since it is so truthfully spoken.
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Originally posted by SOB
Whew, thank god I know that, now I know who to vote for! You're the GREATAST Shaden!
umm er not really, saw it on Drudge and made me chuckle...waiting for the a fox hunting ban to come in so I can laugh at the country oiks.
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This just in... I'm not a fan of Bush, but I can't see his campaign team getting their panties in a knot over stuff like this. It's a waste of time.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Yep you're right, rest of the WORLD is obviously wrong....
YOU said it. Perfectly.
If he represents the best interests of the world, he does NOT represent mine. Makes him the wrong choice to be president of MY country. Perhaps you can get him to replace Blair.
You want him, you can have him. Got a shipping address? I'll sell parts of my anatomy and pay the bill myself.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
So guess what would happen if the entire world were to vote for the next US President?
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040908/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_poll_bush_kerry_040908164913
The same thing that would happen in the article I posted?
:confused:
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Yep you're right, rest of the WORLD is obviously wrong....
LOL - you finally figured that out .. took you long enough
you like skerry so much, you can have him on nov 3 as he'll be looking for a job - LOL
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Merged threads Muck. You started it first so his got assimulated into yours.
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Ultimate Childhood moment:
HAHA!!! SCHADEN GOT ASSIMILATED!!!
:rofl
Alright, I feel better. Carry on.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
So guess what would happen if the entire world were to vote for the next US President?
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040908/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_poll_bush_kerry_040908164913
We know how China and vietnam feel on the matter...
(http://communistsforkerry.com/images/othersites/Manchurian_Candidate.gif)
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Yep you're right, rest of the WORLD is obviously wrong....
Who in the hell is the rest of the world to say who should be the next US president?
This may be a bit off topic but it has to do with what some are getting at here.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If the world wants Kerry, then we certainly know who we DON'T want. Thanks!;) (Pssst...we're getting tired of bailing yer butts out of world wars..)
Oh, FWIW, here is one reason why France wants Kerry...so they can pull the wool over his eyes, apparently we can see whats going on with Bush in office...
The intelligence reports showing French assistance to Saddam ongoing in the late winter of 2002 helped explain why France refused to deal harshly with Iraq and blocked U.S. moves at the United Nations.
hmmm ... I think it's the reason why my BS detector was in the red area blinking like a mad.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040908/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_poll_bush_kerry_040908164913
So what's bothering you guys so much?
Is it Bush saying, I'll do what I think is best for my country first and worry about what the world thinks later/.
Is it Kerry being prim and polished and looking like a Euro?
Is it Bush's Cowbay attitude?
Is it Bush putting America first?
I'm really curious.
But the best part is...this poll is meaningless!
To be honest, I think a majority of Americans are kinda sick of being bent over a chair and ass****ed by the rest of the global community.
Kerry seems to support that - which is why people dont like him in this country and why the rest of the world loves him.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
You want him, you can have him. Got a shipping address? I'll sell parts of my anatomy and pay the bill myself.
Your word !
You can ship to : 10 downing street ,London :D
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I think you've all got the wrong end of the stick.
The world or whoever doesn't want Kerry. They would prefer almost anyone but Bush. Ralph Nader, O J simpson anyone. Bush rightly or wrongly is not exactly popular or respected. Almost half of the American electorate agrees. It's anti Bush based on his record. There are a number of Republicans which I suspect would be more popular.
But as someones says it doesn't matter what the world thinks or wants.
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Everytime I hear stuff like this, it just makes me laugh.
Walk up to any random european and ask who they want to win the next election in the US and you'll get an answer and why.
Walk up to any random American and ask who they want to win the next election in germany and you'll get a "Who gives a ****?"
Tells you how important the US is.
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Just the fact that they even know that we HAVE an election soon is telling. I consider myself well versed on world events, and I couldn't tell you who the opposition candidate was or when the election is, in ANY country in the whole world. Why would I? I don't get to vote, so me having an opinion on the matter is little better than mental masturbation.
So, bottom line, the poll shows that the world masturbates more than the U.S.A.
Who'd a thunk it?
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i don't see why everyone hates the french so much? Realy in the US wouldn't be here today if it weren't for france. both 1812 i think and revolution. but that is just my though.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If the world wants Kerry, then we certainly know who we DON'T want. Thanks!;) (Pssst...we're getting tired of bailing yer butts out of world wars..)
Sneaky way to do it, being attacked by Japan and all. :rolleyes:
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Who in their right mind would think that Bush is actually a decent president?
Yeah, people who belong to the Republican party. But, just because you belong to that party doesn't mean that you have to believe his BS.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
i don't see why everyone hates the french so much? Realy in the US wouldn't be here today if it weren't for france. both 1812 i think and revolution. but that is just my though.
Nonsense..
The evil imperial opressive France that helped us in the revolutionary war was gone by 1789... The french revolution folllowed the US model, albeit aginst its own domestic government...
If anything America was the father of modern France..
So the USA gave birth to France
Napoleon was OK, but in the end the USA couldnt help and he got his butt kicked..
We couldnt help in 1870, France got butt kicked...
Saved Frances bellybutton in WW1.
Saved it again in WW2.
Saved France's economy after WW2.
Tried to help France save empire post WW2. Not so good...
Protected France for Russia in cold war...
USA helped france a lot...
;)
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I hope that was a joke.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040908/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_poll_bush_kerry_040908164913
So what's bothering you guys so much?
Is it Bush saying, I'll do what I think is best for my country first and worry about what the world thinks later/.
Is it Kerry being prim and polished and looking like a Euro?
Is it Bush's Cowbay attitude?
Is it Bush putting America first?
I'm really curious.
But the best part is...this poll is meaningless!
This good reason to reelect Bush.
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Originally posted by Fruda
I hope that was a joke.
Would you be really upset and go on an indignant 10 post hate-filled rant if it wasnt??? Would you? Please.. :D
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No.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Everytime I hear stuff like this, it just makes me laugh.
Walk up to any random european and ask who they want to win the next election in the US and you'll get an answer and why.
Walk up to any random American and ask who they want to win the next election in germany and you'll get a "Who gives a ****?"
Tells you how important the US is.
yes absolutely,
imagine USA witch such a big millitary lead by the wrong president,
his moves across the world could also affect me & my country.
see ?
R
Gh0stFT
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Who in the hell is the rest of the world to say who should be the next US president?
This may be a bit off topic but it has to do with what some are getting at here.
Who in the hell is the US president to dictate world affairs by going to war with a soveriegn government of another country?
Works both ways.
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Who in the hell is the US president to dictate world affairs by going to war with a soveriegn government of another country?
Works both ways.
If it bothers you so much, I suppose you could throw your
military might behind Saddam or the "freedom fighters" blowing
up relief workers. It's not like we invaded Australia or anything.
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Originally posted by Rino
If it bothers you so much, I suppose you could throw your
military might behind Saddam or the "freedom fighters" blowing
up relief workers. It's not like we invaded Australia or anything.
Personally, it DOESNT bother me one little bit, I was merely pointing out why it is (IMHO) that people from outside the US may have an interest in just exactly who is in control of the most powerfull nation on Earth, and it's attached military.
You guys say "It's none of your damn business who runs the US", all I'm saying is that all the time the United States president has the ability and the will to affect the lives of people not living on US soil, then those people will have an interest in who is president of the US.
Go back and check if you like rino, you will not find one word of US bashing in any of my posts, allthough I am apparently a part of a minority in that I believe Australia did the right thing by standing by our American allies and going to war with them (alongside them, not against them),I am actually on your side.
BTW, Aussie military might, such as it is, WAS thrown straight into the fight, right alongside your own boys in uniform, and I believe if you take the time to check, you will find that wherever they have been in action, they have done a superlative job, and have the respect and admiration of the US service personelle they have come in contact with.
Edit #2 As far as invading Australia goes, judging by the performance of US forces in excersises with Australians playing OPFOR, that may be a whole different kettle of fish than some desert sandpit full of camel herders and terrorists too ;)
The Aussie military may not be that large, but they are extremely good at what they do.
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Of course people around the world care about what goes on in the USA. And many of them are genuinely hurt that Americans doesnt care back about their home countries..
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Perhaps that lack of interest in other people's countries and lives is part of the reason others do care so much who runs the show over there.
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And I'm sure if the WORLD had its way we'd give control over ALL of our armys to the UN and even pay them hefty sums to manage them.
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Unamerican people who get their only information about the USA from the liberal media would vote for Kerry?
SHOCKING!
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Who in the hell is the US president to dictate world affairs by going to war with a soveriegn government of another country?
Works both ways.
Theres a reason they call it down under.
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Perhaps that lack of interest in other people's countries and lives is part of the reason others do care so much who runs the show over there.
Nope, not one bit. People care about the USA because its visible, powerful and, somehow, desirable - even for those who hate us..
In fact people the world over are dissapointed when they learn that most all Americans dont have that sme interst for thair nation..
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Who in the hell is the US president to dictate world affairs by going to war with a soveriegn government of another country?
Works both ways.
Its none of the worlds gdamn business who we elect into office.
United States Of America.
Not United Stated Of the World.
You are a fool for thinking any of the people we bombed or declared war on were of a "Soveriegn government".
But thats not the topic of discusion here is it?
How and why we go about our worldly affairs.
Nope...
You are even more of a fool for posting that here.
They got what they had coming to them. And will continue to get what they have coming to them. Personaly, I'd stomp them into the ground until they were a distant moist spot in the dirt.
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How about the world take a vote, see if we think Chirac is the best bet to lead France?
Maybe we think Germany could do better?
There are a few others that might not fair well in a vote.
dago
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Never in the history of Pres elections have so many tryed so hard to get a man elected.
STFU about our elections and mind you own GD bussiness. When you stop electing criminals like Chirac, and Bestroni (sp?) Italin PM then you can comment on who is the president of US.
If you want this guy
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/407_1094693742_kerrydoh.jpg)
Then invite him to run for PM in your country.
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The Taliban, the recognised soverign government of Afghanistan at the time of the Coalitions invasion.
Go find yourself some rabid anti-US guy to unload your intellectual handicap on, and leave these reasonable discussions to the adults , theres a good little fellow.
Someone asks "Why do you even care?"
I say "Because it isnt just the US that is affected by the results of the US presidential election"
I get jumped on, called a fool, have half arsed attempts at belittling my country thrown my way....., don't wanna hear the answer, don't ask the question.
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Originally posted by Bluedog
The Taliban, the recognised soverign government of Afghanistan at the time of the Coalitions invasion.
Go find yourself some rabid anti-US guy to unload your intellectual handicap on, and leave these reasonable discussions to the adults , theres a good little fellow.
I don't get it.
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Maybe we really should let China pick our president. You know, like we did 8 years ago. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Perhaps that lack of interest in other people's countries and lives is part of the reason others do care so much who runs the show over there.
Thanks for making ZERO sense.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Its none of the worlds gdamn business who we elect into office.
You are a fool for thinking any of the people we bombed or declared war on were of a "Soveriegn government".
You are even more of a fool for posting that here.
Just defending myself NUKE
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Originally posted by NUKE
Thanks for making ZERO sense.
OK, I'll say this real slow for you.
The American president has the ability, and has shown the will to excersise the ability, to influence the lives of people not on the US electoral role, perhaps if the day to day lives and concerns of the peoples living in countries outside the US was a major consideration in US foriegn policy, people would be quite confident that their safety and future were in good hands, and not give a damn about who the guy making the gameplay calls was.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans seem to care not one little bit about how the actions of the US Govt may or may not affect people outside of the US, so, those outside people have an interest in just who it is that is in control of the US. Because it just may be their own life, or the lives of their friends and family that is influenced.
Now, nowhere have I said that we non-aAmericans have any right to influence the US presidential elections, we dont.
Nowhere have I made any derrogatory remarks about the US.
nowhere have I said anything that is offensive to the US.
Why am I a "fool" for posting this here, or believing that the government of Afghanistan at the time of the Coalitions invasion was the legally recognised government of that country?
Apart of course from the fact that some Americans may disagree with me.
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Perhaps that lack of interest in other people's countries and lives is part of the reason others do care so much who runs the show over there.
Bluedog, take a step back....I'm not calling you a fool, just pointing out that this statement makes no sense at all.
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Wasnt directed at you NUKE, it was Morpheus that called me a fool.
In my opinion, the reason people from other places are interested in American politics, is because American politics influence our lives, not just the people inside America's borders.
The fact that the average American doesn't seem to care about how US foriegn policy affects others, and yet the US is a major player in world affairs makes some people believe that perhaps descisions are being made without any regard whatsoever toward their best interests.
Perhaps that is a part of the reason people are interested.
Thats all I meant.
If we all knew that no descision would be made in American parliament. or senate, or congress or whatever you call it, without due consideration being given to how US policy might affect other people, no one would give a hoot who was boss over there, as everyone would be confident that it was being taken care of in the best possible way.
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Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans seem to care not one little bit about how the actions of the US Govt may or may not affect people outside of the US, so
So, you Australians vote based on what actions affect the world rather than Australia? You vote for what's best for your country, just like we do.
Too bad that the US is a superpower I guess. Just be thankfull that China or N. Korea does not have the power we have, then you'd really be crying.
Be thankful that a country like the US has the power. Name another nation you would rather have in the USA's place in your dream world.
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Bluedog, how has the US adversly affected you?
Seems to me you are lucky the US has the power and not some other nation.
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I would rather have nobody other than the US as a superpower.
US policy has affected me in no way whatsoever that is worth bringing up.
Apart from several family freinds, and my cousin being on active duty right now in Iraq, something which probably would not have happened had it not been for descisions made by the US govt without any imput from me.
I have no problem with that BTW, it is merely an example of how US policy may affect people who have no say in what that policy is.
Im NOT bashing the US, I'm just pointing out WHY some people who do not live in the US may have an interest in US politics.
I apologise if my intentions were not clear.
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Wasnt directed at you NUKE, it was Morpheus that called me a fool.
If we all knew that no descision would be made in American parliament. or senate, or congress or whatever you call it, without due consideration being given to how US policy might affect other people, no one would give a hoot who was boss over there, as everyone would be confident that it was being taken care of in the best possible way.
I dont get it. Are you saying that the US doesn't consider how it's actions affect other people?
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No more or less so than the government of my own country, as you pointed out.
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If descisions made by John Howard directly or indirectly effected your life, or the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, would you not be interested in what descisions the man made, even though as an American, Australian politics is 'none of your business'? Say for instance, going to war.
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Originally posted by Bluedog
If descisions made by John Howard directly or indirectly effected your life, or the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, would you not be interested in what descisions the man made, even though as an American, Australian politics is 'none of your business'? Say for instance, going to war.
Your Government is responsible for sending your people to war, not the US. You voted that government into office.
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It was descisions made in the White House and the Pentagon that brought our govt to join the US in war.
Australia wasn't attacked, still hasnt been, we are in that fight for you guys, nothing that happened here led to our involvement over there.
Once again, I personally do not have a problem with that, I would be utterly disgusted if my govt had taken any other course of action.
All that aside, yes, US policy has affected Australians, hence, we have an interest in who gets the final say on those policies.
Not a right to intervene, or influence the election in any way, but we DO have an interest.
Why does that upset you guys?
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Originally posted by Bluedog
It was descisions made in the White House and the Pentagon that brought our govt to join the US in war.
So you think that the US controls your government? I don't think so.
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Originally posted by NUKE
So you think that the US controls your government? I don't think so.
think again. we control the world basicly except for small pockets of asia. our military might has the psylogical ability to control any country we want.
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Bluedog, I see that you seem to be a good guy and I feel that I am also a good guy. I just do not feel that the US is hurting anyone other than it's enemies.
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I agree NUKE, I dont think the US is hurting anyone who doesnt need to be hurt either. And yep, we're both good blokes, no doubt about that ;)
This whole thread was about why anyone outside the US cared about who was Prez.
I'm just trying to explain that right or wrong, US policies affect other peoples too, and for that reason, other people are interested in who the Prez is.
And no, I dont think that the US controls the Aussie govt, however, as an Ally when you guys go to war, we do to, regardless of weather the reasons for going to war have anything to do with Australia.
That is as it should be in my opinion, I have no doubt that should the need arise again, America would return the 'favour' in kind, and come to our aid.
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I understand your point Bluedog
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NUKE, Im glad mate, I was starting to wonder if all my drivell made sense only to me :)
It just annoys me that any question whatsoever regarding the US is taken as 'YOU GUYS SUX0R !! Bush is Hitler!! My country is better!!! blah blah blah" .
I in no way meant any disrespect to the US, it's Govt or it's people, yet I was told I was a fool, that it was none of my business and that I should go fight with the 'resistance' in Iraq against the US and it's Allies.
All us foriegners can do is pray that whoever you guys elect to run your country and make descisions that affect the entire world, that he is in posession of a great deal more level head and intellectual capability than that shown by a lot of guys on this board.
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Originally posted by JBA
and Bestroni (sp?) Italin PM then you can comment on who is the president of US.
:rofl 3 errors in a single sentence :aok :rofl (and without the typos)
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Australia wasn't attacked, still hasnt been, we are in that fight for you guys, nothing that happened here led to our involvement over there.
Not really true, first there was Bali where most of the vicims were deliberately Australians and now this:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/09/09/indonesia.blast/index.html
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Here, use this:
(http://www.ecurie-bernatets.com/default_zone/thumbnails/bride_0_81818.jpg)
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Here, use this:
(http://www.ecurie-bernatets.com/default_zone/thumbnails/bride_0_81818.jpg)
Saw this is a family site, whatever that is keep it between you and straffo..
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grun if you see any reason to phantasm looking at that (http://www.ecurie-bernatets.com/default_zone/documents/boucles_tandem.jpg)
I'll call you grungnita :D
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040908/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_poll_bush_kerry_040908164913
So what's bothering you guys so much?
Is it Bush saying, I'll do what I think is best for my country first and worry about what the world thinks later/.
Is it Kerry being prim and polished and looking like a Euro?
Is it Bush's Cowbay attitude?
Is it Bush putting America first?
I'm really curious.
But the best part is...this poll is meaningless!
The rest of the world knows nothing about Kerry. You could put Pol Pot there instead of Kerry and the result would be the same. Personally I would vote _almost_ anyone but Bush.