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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on September 10, 2004, 10:40:13 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/10/bush.guard.ap/index.html
Dammint you right wing nutjobs, stop it!!
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ooooops... yet another clumsy "october" suprise by those wiley democrats is shot down....
Oh well... they still have michell moores book coming out weeks before the election.... maybe there won't be time to prove it is all BS like his movie... might fool a few with that one...
will be interesting to see how far out on a limb the democrats go now that it is apparrent that their boy is sinking fast.
the best lies will be saved for the last few days before the election. sop for democrat "artists".
lazs
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I dunno Grun. How much faith can you place on any story found on a left-wing rag like CNN.
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CNN and the AP are FAR FAR FAR from "right wing"
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
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:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by ASTAC
CNN and the AP are FAR FAR FAR from "right wing"
I think we need to forge you up some Navy Sacrcasm Detection Course (NSDC) completion certificates... :D
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
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LMAO Edbert! you owe me a keyboard and monitor!
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CBS has just confirmed beyond any doubt that skerry WAS in fact inside Cambodia as he testified before congress that he was. Here's the proof they offer:
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
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LOL!
Edit: The memo is even better!!!
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
CBS has just confirmed beyond any doubt that skerry WAS in fact inside Cambodia as he testified before congress that he was. Here's the proof they offer:
(http://www.edbert.net/images/jfk_doc4.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Should we stick a fork in Rather Biased?
Apparently, you won't be hearing that the documents are forged, either:
http://www.drudgereport.com/cbsd2.htm
RATHER DIGS IN: THE DOCUMENTS ARE AUTHENTIC
CBSNEWS anchor and 60 MINUTES correspondent Dan Rather publicly defended his reporting Friday morning after questions were raised about the authenticity of newly unearthed memos aired on CBS which asserted that George W. Bush ignored a direct order from a superior officer in the Texas Air National Guard.
CNN TRANSCRIPT:
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DAN RATHER, CBS NEWS ANCHOR: I know that this story is true. I believe that the witnesses and the documents are authentic. We wouldn't have gone to air if they would not have been. There isn't going to be -- there's no
-- what you're saying apology?
QUESTION: Apology or any kind of retraction or...
RATHER: Not even discussed, nor should it be. I want to make clear to you, I want to make clear to you if I have not made clear to you, that this story is true, and that more important questions than how we got the story, which is where those who don't like the story like to put the emphasis, the more important question is what are the answers to the questions raised in the story, which I just gave you earlier.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CBS NEWS executives on Thursday launched an internal investigation into whether its premiere news program 60 MINUTES aired fabricated documents relating to Bush's National Guard service, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
"The reputation and integrity of the entire news division is at stake, if we are in error, it will be corrected," a top CBS source explained late Thursday.
Developing...
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What is the frequency Kenneth?
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rather has been a lying political hack his entire "career".
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known in the U.S. as dan blather.
lazs
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I believe CBS did fact check the story and did so carefully. Ted Koppel said he would have run it as well if it were given to him, after fact checking it. So far there has been no "evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt" that they were forged, only allegations.
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Originally posted by rpm371
I believe CBS did fact check the story and did so carefully. Ted Koppel said he would have run it as well if it were given to him, after fact checking it. So far there has been no "evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt" that they were forged, only allegations.
The superscript text is irrefutable, it simply did not exist in the time period this memo was supposedly written.
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Ted Koppel?! Is that supposed to lend credence to your assumption?
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Perhaps if someone could point to a model of typewriter used by the Air force in 1972 capable of doing superscript the allegations of forgery would stop?
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
The superscript text is irrefutable, it simply did not exist in the time period this memo was supposedly written.
If you are refering to the "th", yes...it did. It was featured on IBM Selectrics, a pretty common typewriter in the 70's. All you had to do was use that style of interchangable typeball.
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the "th" for squadron # is what i dont get. ive never seen it used. then again ive never served in usaf or ang. some guys here are zoomys arent they? do you guys use "th" as in "188th boq cable tv support squadron" or would it be something like "188 BCS SQN" on official docs? :) only joking on the unit not the way its written.
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Originally posted by rpm371
If you are refering to the "th", yes...it did. It was featured on IBM Selectrics, a pretty common typewriter in the 70's. All you had to do was use that style of interchangable typeball.
That isn't what the "experts" are saying.
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Originally posted by rpm371
I believe CBS did fact check the story and did so carefully. Ted Koppel said he would have run it as well if it were given to him, after fact checking it. So far there has been no "evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt" that they were forged, only allegations.
Ya he called Terry McCaulife and Jim Carvel, They both agreed it was real.
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Originally posted by rpm371
, a pretty common typewriter in the 70's. .
Not at the navy.
BS prove it.
I have heard Navy personel all day call in to Radio show stating they didn't have this in the 70's
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Hmmm, the "experts" may be wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Selectric_typewriter
The Selectric II had a lever (above the right platen knob) that would allow the platen to be turned freely but return to the same vertical line whereas the Selectric I did not. This feature permitted the insertion of subscripts and superscripts.
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They are fake. Either way it doesnt matter - Kerry will not win this election on Vietnam..
Why couldnt the Dems put forward a candidate with a worthwile record??? Why???
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Originally posted by AKIron
That isn't what the "experts" are saying.
Oh, really?
Both Selectric I and Selectric II were available in standard and wide-carriage models and in various colors, including red and blue as well as traditional neutral colors, and both used the same typeballs, which were available in many fonts, including symbols for science and mathematics, OCR faces for scanning by computers, script, Old English, and more than a dozen ordinary alphabets.
source (http://www.fact-index.com/i/ib/ibm_selectric_typewriter.html)
They were'nt using Flintstone typewriters in the 70's.
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You can do sub/superscript, even with a manual typewriter, but you would have to change the ball on a Selectric to get the small type. Why do I not think that that would be done?
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Breaking news
Dan Rather replaced over forged memo scandal, a replacement has been hired! News at 6:00PM
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I don't think the type is smaller. No way anyone in the Air Force would change the ball to do superscript for a memo. If the authenticity of the documents hinge on that there is no doubt they are fake.
Took another look, defintely smaller. Looks bogus to me.
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Lets see:
Experts are doubting it.
The Commanfer's family is doubting it.
Common sense doubts it.
The Washington Post ran a investigation that doubts it...
60 minutes is not releasaing the source..
CBS is starting an investigation..
Hmmm..
PRM you think maybe Kerry's people shopuld spend some more time coming up with real issues instead of faking militarey docuents?
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Originally posted by 1K0N
Breaking news
Dan Rather replaced over forged memo scandal, a replacement has been hired! News at 6:00PM
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THE MEMOS WERE NOT FAKE!!! IT IS FALSE TO ASSUME THAT MICROSOFT WORD AND PC WAS NOT USED IN 1972!!!
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Did you ever think he may have already had that typeball on because he used that feature a lot? He did'nt have to change the ball just to get a superscript when typing a document. Have any of you guys ever used one of those typewriters? All you had to do was hit a key for superscript characters. It was'nt rocket science to type a professional looking military document in the 1970's.
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RPM:
Think Happy Thoughts Think Happy Thoughts Think Happy Thughts
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Not what I read RPM. The function of superscript in the Selectric II (the Selectric had no such capability) was nothing more than shifting the head up a bit.
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I have, RPM, and unless you had a special ball designed specifically to have that "th" on it you would have to change to get a different size type. Now if you were doing a footnote, and just needed a number, that small type was on most balls.
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What key would you press to type the smaller "th"?
Hmmm, seems there was mention of the Selectric II having the capability of two font sizes on the same ball.
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Originally posted by AKIron
What key would you press to type the smaller "th"?
I'm not sure, but I'm not sure what key would you press to get pi, either. But, the typewriter WAS capable of it.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I used a typewriter in school back in the '80s that had a lot of special characters like that. Who knows, at least they didn't use the Arial font like Mr. Black did.
Looking at the document in question, I can't say if it is a fake or not, and I am a typographer.
And today we have computers that can do just about anything. We are talking about 1972 though.
I used both the Selectric and Selectric II in the AF from the '70's up but can't remember what their capabilites were then.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Looking at the document in question, I can't say if it is a fake or not, and I am a typographer.
GS is a secretary? :) Damn I lost a Name this weapon thing to a secretary... :(
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Aren't politics fascinating?
Who could have possibly figured that the 2004 US presidential election would spur a ruckus over what typeballs might have been in use on a vintage '72 IBM typwriter?
Simply amazing.
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Republicans display 1970's state of the art typewriter!
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Originally posted by Samiam
Aren't politics fascinating?
Who could have possibly figured that the 2004 US presidential election would spur a ruckus over what typeballs might have been in use on a vintage '72 IBM typwriter?
Simply amazing.
Not surprising at all considering the man that Bush is running against.. Kerry has nothing else to run on except his vietnam record.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/587_1094658599_kerryedwardsslogan1972.jpg)
BTW does anyone know if Edwards was out of his diapers back then? Just curious...
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Tonight on date line the widow of the colonel is suppose to be on.Wonder if kopple is goin after rather.
She was asked what she tought of rather , she said ..tick tock,tick tock,tick tock.....