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Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: midnight Target on September 10, 2004, 10:42:40 AM
Where would we be today? How would the state of the World be different? Sure, hindsight is 20-20, but base your answers on the fact that no WMD's have ever been found.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Ripsnort on September 10, 2004, 10:44:28 AM
Only an idiot wouldn't like this. You said something I didn't say. Now shove it! They want 4 more years of hell!


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: midnight Target on September 10, 2004, 10:47:52 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Only an idiot wouldn't like this. You said something I didn't say. Now shove it! They want 4 more years of hell!


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl


WTF are you rambling on about?
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Ripsnort on September 10, 2004, 10:49:44 AM
I'm just answering like Mrs. Heinz Kerry would, you know, the first lady of the candidate you'll be voting for.... :D:rofl
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: lazs2 on September 10, 2004, 10:50:39 AM
hmmm... besides the fact that an evil man can no longer murder and torture his countrymen by the hundreds of thousands.....

the sadman had been working on nuclear and biological weapons and was a funding source for terrorism.   he was about to kick out weapons inspectors.   I think it is logical to assume that the second they were gone he would pick up where he left off.

and... the example of a deposed tyrant is never a bad thing.

lazs
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Torque on September 10, 2004, 10:52:56 AM
They'd still be pandering Iraqniphobia to the masses for political gain.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Yeager on September 10, 2004, 11:08:15 AM
Militant Arabs know today what they didnt know on Sept 12, 2001.  We will come after you hunt your silly bellybutton down and bust into your countires that threaten us.  More to come.

Also, who does Osama Bin Laden endorse for President?

Let me clue you in.  It aint Bush
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Ohio330 on September 10, 2004, 11:24:25 AM
Well, if there was no more Iraq war, Im sure we'd find someone else to pick on.  It's great for politics
   Gettin kinda tired of funding our country to be the world's
police force.  Feed the damn homeless with that money and
create jobs so we all can work.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: GRUNHERZ on September 10, 2004, 11:28:12 AM
The USA would be viewed as evil in the mid east.  Perhaps slightly less evil, but not much.

In the west we would be viewed as evil just the same because we were bombing iraq daily and starving millions due to sanctions.

France, Russia, Germany and Koffe Annanb would be a lot happier and at least somewhat wealthier..
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Sandman on September 10, 2004, 11:47:20 AM
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Originally posted by Yeager
Militant Arabs know today what they didnt know on Sept 12, 2001.  We will come after you hunt your silly bellybutton down and bust into your countires that threaten us.  More to come.

Also, who does Osama Bin Laden endorse for President?

Let me clue you in.  It aint Bush


Sure... Bush is in office and Osama is still free. I'm sure he hates not being confined.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: john9001 on September 10, 2004, 01:02:06 PM
Osama has not made a video in a long,long time, he is either dead or his Sony needs new batteries.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Monk on September 10, 2004, 01:03:54 PM
another month - you will see Osama again.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Nilsen on September 10, 2004, 01:04:08 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Koffe Annanb would be a lot happier and at least somewhat wealthier..


why wealthier?
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: GRUNHERZ on September 10, 2004, 01:09:21 PM
Well its becoming pretty clear that many important individuals in thosde countries and the UN bureocracy benefited quite nicely from UN financial corrupition in Iraq's oil for food program during the pre war embargo and sanctions.

It may be one of the big reasons the mentioned countries opposed the war...
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Yeager on September 10, 2004, 01:09:48 PM
You think hiding 24x7x365 going on three years is not "confined"?

You think kerry would have invaded afganistan? I have serious doubts he would have.

You think OBL and AQ would have attacked NYC and the Pentagon had they known they would have been retailiated against with such overwhelming force?  Im sure they expected a few dozen cruise missles.

These islamic militant freaks are going crazy with the US armed forces in full force in the middle east.  They DID NOT foresee this invasion of military power or they would not have attacked.  

I believe they were intent on infiltrating a weakened and demoralized america after 9/11,  attacking women and children and bringing us to withdraw from world leadership.  Instead we have forced these idiots to attack our soldiers, the best armed and best trained fighters in history, in their countries, not ours.  Bush is indeed responsible for this and it is they way to go.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Nilsen on September 10, 2004, 01:14:45 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Well its becoming pretty clear that many important individuals in thosde countries and the UN bureocracy benefited quite nicely from UN financial corrupition in Iraq's oil for food program during the pre war embargo and sanctions.

It may be one of the big reasons the mentioned countries opposed the war...


links with proof that Koffe have gotten any money and would be weathier pls.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: GRUNHERZ on September 10, 2004, 01:16:04 PM
Oh Koffe as in the guy. I dont know, he is just my general name for all the worthless UN bureocratic 3rd world scum.. Why you care, is he a relative?
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Muckmaw1 on September 10, 2004, 01:17:14 PM
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Originally posted by Monk
another month - you will see Osama again.


Hopefully in a box.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Nilsen on September 10, 2004, 01:19:30 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Oh Koffe as in the guy. I dont know, he is just my general name for all the worthless UN bureocratic 3rd world scum.. Why you care, is he a relative?


No relative as far as i know

Bush is on the take btw, he has gotten money from Halliburton for contracts in Iraq.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Monk on September 10, 2004, 01:19:34 PM
Hopefully in a box.

Trust me.;) and he won't be in a box.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Yeager on September 10, 2004, 01:19:37 PM
another month - you will see Osama again.
====
You suggest with certainty another attack against my country on the eve of national elections.  I wonder if you have a grin on your face just thinking about it......
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Muckmaw1 on September 10, 2004, 01:20:32 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
another month - you will see Osama again.
====
You suggest with certainty another attack against my country on the eve of national elections.  I wonder if you have a grin on your face just thinking about it......


Well, let's see...

He's in Europe...

Hmm..no Grin...erection, yes...but no grin.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Nilsen on September 10, 2004, 01:21:53 PM
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Well, let's see...

He's in Europe...

Hmm..no Grin...erection, yes...but no grin.


You would get a hardon if he was in europe?
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Monk on September 10, 2004, 01:23:53 PM
Personal attack
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Monk on September 10, 2004, 01:24:34 PM
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Well, let's see...

He's in Europe...

Hmm..no Grin...erection, yes...but no grin.
Summer in Frankfurt - Oh yes.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Sikboy on September 10, 2004, 01:25:19 PM
Imagine all the people... living for today

That reminds me, what would John Lennin be doing if he were alive today?





Clawing at the inside of his coffin.


-Sik

(sorry, saw Kill Bill v2 over the long weekend).
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Yeager on September 10, 2004, 01:27:29 PM
well...the other possibility is you suggest Osama will be used as a tool to re-elect Bush with a successfull capture.

Are you arab monk?
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: TheDudeDVant on September 10, 2004, 01:30:49 PM
1000s of inocent non-militant Iraqis would be alive today to see tomorrow..
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Makarov9 on September 10, 2004, 01:35:00 PM
To be killed by Saddam at a later date....
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Yeager on September 10, 2004, 01:38:29 PM
keep an eye on monk skuzz.  He suggested that he knows something significant.  Lol, that does sound funny but please keep a note on the "in a month" statement.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Sandman on September 10, 2004, 01:39:21 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
You think kerry would have invaded afganistan? I have serious doubts he would have.

You think OBL and AQ would have attacked NYC and the Pentagon had they known they would have been retailiated against with such overwhelming force?  Im sure they expected a few dozen cruise missles.


One... yes Kerry would have invaded Afghanistan. That decision was so simple that even a moron from Crawford, Texas could do it.

I expect that OBL misjudged the ferocity of our response. On the other hand, I expect that he giggled like a little girl when we invaded Iraq.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Monk on September 10, 2004, 01:43:15 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
well...the other possibility is you suggest Osama will be used as a tool to re-elect Bush with a successfull capture.

Are you arab monk?
Who I work for (http://www.state.gov/m/ds/)    na, I'm not Arab.  Just trying to do my little part, for this great country of OURS - notice Ours.  When I'm not here in Frankfurt, I do spend time in our 2 "problem areas".  How about you?

BTW you seem a bit tense.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: AKIron on September 10, 2004, 01:50:38 PM
Maybe Saddam would have acquired and passed on a nuke to terrorists who might have planted it at some strategic point along the San Andreas fault and sent a sizeable chunk of Kalifornia sailing. That darn Bush.

Hey, I can dream can't I?
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: TheDudeDVant on September 10, 2004, 01:53:55 PM
Iron, do I hear you correctly wishing Lazs away? not nice! :) :)
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Sikboy on September 10, 2004, 01:54:01 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Maybe Saddam would have acquired and passed on a nuke to terrorists who might have planted it at some strategic point along the San Andreas fault and sent a sizeable chunk of Kalifornia sailing. That darn Bush.

Hey, I can dream can't I?


That would be.... Evil

(http://pauldavidson.blogs.com/wfme/images/dr.evil.jpg)
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Monk on September 10, 2004, 01:59:30 PM
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Originally posted by Monk
Personal attack
bwahaha, I don't even remember what I said.  maybe you help me skuzzy?
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: TheDudeDVant on September 10, 2004, 02:02:56 PM
hehe need to open up 2 browser windows /thread... One would be a working copy, one (couldnt refresh it) would be a documentaion copy.. lmao
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Monk on September 10, 2004, 02:04:15 PM
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
hehe need to open up 2 browser windows /thread... One would be a working copy, one (couldnt refresh it) would be a documentaion copy.. lmao
hey, good tip. thx.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: TheDudeDVant on September 10, 2004, 02:05:24 PM
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Originally posted by Monk
hey, good tip. thx.


hehe I dont think it would work.. unless you had a new window per page.. hehe
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Eagler on September 10, 2004, 03:30:28 PM
Yeager
Monk is a good guy


Imagine ...... No Iraq War

the skerry flock would be calling Bush a weak leader for not following up his war on terror with an invasion of Iraq and skerry would be, in his dry arse monotone munster voice, promising to capture Saddam and destroy his WMD's within the first 6 months of his election.

LANDSLIDE BUSH!!!
WTG ON IRAQ, the right next move at the right time!!
the fallen, their sacrifice is not in vain unless the left makes it so...
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: demaw1 on September 10, 2004, 04:23:27 PM
Gee what a racist...whats wrong just because they are brown ,you dont think they deserve their freedom.

 Gee what a woman hater,when did you stop beating your wife?
 or do you believe just because they are muslim women they should be not seen and not heard.?
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Yeager on September 10, 2004, 04:40:20 PM
Srry Monk.

I sure did impart the wrong spin on your comments :(

Thank you for your service to the nation
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Monk on September 10, 2004, 04:49:50 PM
Hey, no biggy.  It's easy to write something when you know what you mean, but doesn't come across right on the board.  About Osama, a gut feeling.  A tool for Bush, could care less.  I know who I'm voting for either way ;)
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Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on September 10, 2004, 05:31:23 PM
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Originally posted by Nilsen

Bush is on the take btw, he has gotten money from Halliburton for contracts in Iraq.





PROVE THAT

I don't mean with some drivel from one of those Bravo Sierra liberal rags or websites either, or something from the DNC. Show me a paper trail. If you can.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Nilsen on September 10, 2004, 05:32:38 PM
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
PROVE THAT

I don't mean with some drivel from one of those Bravo Sierra liberal rags or websites either, or something from the DNC. Show me a paper trail. If you can.


was a response to Grunhertz post about Koffe.

ignore and move on.

this is not the date for it.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Steve on September 10, 2004, 05:58:40 PM
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Bush is on the take btw, he has gotten money from Halliburton for contracts in Iraq.


You ask for proof for a statement then type this drivel?

Lol what a clown.



Prove it.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Nilsen on September 10, 2004, 05:59:29 PM
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Originally posted by Steve
You ask for proof for a statement then type this drivel?

Lol what a clown.



Prove it.


again:

was a response to Grunhertz post about Koffe.

ignore and move on.

this is not the date for it.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Steve on September 10, 2004, 06:02:43 PM
Ahhh. you mean you are positing something rediculous in response to something you think is rediculous?

I'll buy that.


Is that what you had in  mind?
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Nilsen on September 10, 2004, 06:04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Steve
Ahhh. you mean you are positing something rediculous in response to something you think is rediculous?

I'll buy that.


Is that what you had in  mind?


yes, silly reply to a silly accusation. No reply by Grunherz so i guess he knew what i was talking about.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on September 10, 2004, 07:10:00 PM
Problem is, Koffe Anan and his minions ARE being investigated, with regards to the Iraqi oil for food program, for fraud. BILLIONS of dollars in FRAUD. Widely published by major news agencies worldwide.

BIG DIFFERENCE.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Nilsen on September 10, 2004, 07:26:49 PM
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Problem is, Koffe Anan and his minions ARE being investigated, with regards to the Iraqi oil for food program, for fraud. BILLIONS of dollars in FRAUD. Widely published by major news agencies worldwide.

BIG DIFFERENCE.


alot of people around the world are investigated for some reason or another. show me a link to a convicted Koffe and ill shut my trap. until then...well.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: midnight Target on September 10, 2004, 07:54:56 PM
Afghanistan was and still is a success. We had the world on our side, and willing to help with almost anything prior to Iraq.

I think we would be in a much stronger position if the Iraq war never started.

1. Afghanistan would become a model of our benevolence, and we would have the money to do much more there than we are now.
2. The world community would be much more likely to assist us with covert operations anywhere they may be needed.
3. We would indeed be safer.

maybe.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Gunslinger on September 10, 2004, 09:18:26 PM
Imagine.....no Iraq War,


Kerry would not have ANYTHING to criticise Bush on and would have to run Soely on his senate record or lack there of.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on September 10, 2004, 09:53:12 PM
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Originally posted by Nilsen
alot of people around the world are investigated for some reason or another. show me a link to a convicted Koffe and ill shut my trap. until then...well.


Well, you're the one who made a baseless accusation you couldn't back up with anything at all. If you think for one minute that Koffe Annan will actually be investigated by the UN........................:rolleyes:
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Post by: Holden McGroin on September 10, 2004, 10:09:37 PM
lighten up Virgil... He was making a baseless accusation to show how unfair the first baseless accusation was.

I was irony of a metaphor or similie or some literary device like that.  It was a rhetorical device.

And it was funny.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: NUKE on September 10, 2004, 10:20:02 PM
"WAR is over if you want it"  yeah, sure it is.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Steve on September 11, 2004, 02:21:19 AM
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1. Afghanistan would become a model of our benevolence, and we would have the money to do much more there than we are now.


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2. The world community would be much more likely to assist us with covert operations anywhere they may be needed.


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3. We would indeed be safer.



4. Saddam would still be giving aid and comfort to our enemies and killing thousands of his own people.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: straffo on September 11, 2004, 03:46:35 AM
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Originally posted by Steve
4. Saddam would still be giving aid and comfort to our enemies and killing thousands of his own people.

it was not a problem during about 30 years ...
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Holden McGroin on September 11, 2004, 04:02:50 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
it was not a problem during about 30 years ...

Really?

(http://www.mundoarabe.org/halabja.jpg)

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BBC
 
 Eyewitness: Halabja gas attack

On 16 March 1988, Saddam Hussein's forces dropped mustard gas, nerve agents and other chemical weapons on the mainly Kurdish town of Halabja.

Dana Nazif's mother and four-year-old sister were among the 5,000 people who died in a single day in what was the worst ever chemical attack on a civilian population.

Just a teenager, Dana fled to Iran three days after the attack, the effects of which are still being felt in Halabja where the population suffers high rates of cancers, miscarriages and genetic abnormalities.

"I was 15 years old when the attack happened. There had been shelling for three days so the schools were closed.
 
Dana Nazif lost 35 relatives in the chemical attack. "I fell unconscious when the bombardment started."

"Most people were in shelters and underground bunkers. When they realised it was a chemical attack they tried to get out, but most of them died in their shelters.

"A bomb fell here - in this small area, between 250 and 300 people died. In my own family my mother, brother and two of my sisters died. In all, I lost 35 relatives.

"It's impossible to forget what happened to us."
 


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2855139.stm
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: straffo on September 11, 2004, 04:28:58 AM
Yep really, no one did care of that , neither in the EU nor in the US.

I guess that in 1988 some "diplomats" of the Foreign office/state departement/Quai d'Orsay sid to Saddam they were "worried" and nothing more happened.
Title: Imagine ...... No Iraq War
Post by: Torque on September 11, 2004, 09:08:07 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
Yep really, no one did care of that , neither in the EU nor in the US.

I guess that in 1988 some "diplomats" of the Foreign office/state departement/Quai d'Orsay sid to Saddam they were "worried" and nothing more happened.


Wrong!

Reagan did care, he squashed  "The Prevention of Genocide Act" in the House and American threaten to veto any UN sanctions in a subcommittee. He also gave Saddam another billion in credit a few months after Halabja, cuz trade between Saddam and the US was at an all time high during the Anfal Campaign.

People do care Straffo.
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Post by: Yeager on September 11, 2004, 12:37:31 PM
When uncle saddam was attacking and killing hundreds of thousands of Iranians he was my (useful) friend.  I knew even then that he was a bad guy but thats just how this funny little world works.

The time finally came to take him out of the picture and thats precisely what happened.