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I just got my drivers' licence today, and i have $7,000 somewhere in my room :D
My question is what car should i get? used Hondas, Toyotas, or Ford?
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Get one that you can afford the insurance on, and that you won't cry when you wreck it/blow the motor.
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get an ealy 80s chevy full sized pick up. Low insurance, parts are easy to find, Very sturdy vehicle. Easily customized, decint gas milage depending on the engine u get, best bet would be a 350 V8 with fuel injection. bout 20 MPG on high way.:aok
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(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/karva.jpg)
Toyotas aren't the most sexies cars but they're cheap and reliable = good way to start driving.
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LOL
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My first car was a Mercury Topaz
I hated it.
I won't suggest a specific model. Only YOU know what you like and dislike. Whatever you do, DO NOT buy something that you don't really want.....I did that with the Topaz and I hated every minute of it.
Take your time. It has always taken me at least a couple weeks of searching to finally find a good vehicle; sometimes I've spent as long as 3 months looking for the RIGHT car. Do your research, learn a thing or two, and pick out THE car YOU want. The Internet is a TEMENDOUS tool for searching for a car--USE IT!!
For 7K, you can have anything ranging from a Civic to a Cadillac. It's just a matter of knowing what you want and looking in the right place.
Hint--look for cars that old people owned. They're usually pretty old (thus cheap) and often have insanely low miles and are usually well cared for. New cars are over-rated. Let someone else take the depreciation. I like to buy cars that are 5-9 years old. That way I pay 1/4 what someone would pay for a comparable new vehicle. My current car cost me less than 7K and is utterly superior to ANYTHING you can buy new for less than 4 times that. It takes a serious sports car (like a V-8 Mustang; I blow away the V-6 ones) just to out-perform me, and they can't compare in size or comfort.
Speaking of which, don't buy a "sports car". Any "sports car" you can get for 7K either won't be reliable or it won't perform good (like the aforementioned V-6 Mustang)--and probably both. Plus you'll get nailed on the insurance and attract too much attention at school (read: it'll get keyed). If you want performance, look for car with a sports car powerplant in a different package.
Don't buy a high mileage car. Mileage doesn't affect a used car's price that much, so a 6-year-old car with 95K miles is going to cost roughly the same as the same car with 45K miles.
Avoid the 2-3 year old used cars. These are generally lease vehicles and former rental cars, both of which would have been owned/driven by people who couldn't care less about them. You don't want to inheret somebody else's problem.
In a word....buy something you LIKE and don't settle for something that is merely "okay".
J_A_B
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LOL Staga :D
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Originally posted by J_A_B
My current car cost me less than 7K and is utterly superior to ANYTHING you can buy new for less than 4 times that.
J_A_B
What car is that? Is your insurance rate low?
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go get ya a cheap toyota pickup ... cheap in gas ... low maitenance . and when ever you gotta move ya just toss it all in the back and go ..
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Originally posted by 1K3
I just got my drivers' licence today, and i have $7,000 somewhere in my room :D
My question is what car should i get? used Hondas, Toyotas, or Ford?
Hmmm......
Ok..If your a Democrat you have the following options....:lol
Take the 7k and donate part of it to the Homeless. Take a bit more of it and buy a years worth of Bus passes. Then with what you have left buy a Bicycle and and ample supply of Gatorade.
If you are a young republican you have limited options....
Buy a 1965 Galaxy 500 with a 400 engine. No smog emissions and make sure it smokes like a furnace. Drive the H out of it and use tons of gas. Youll need the 6500.00 you have left for the gas. :rofl
Just kidding.....Hondas are good cars. My Daughter just bought one and my wife had one as well. Fine lil cars.:aok
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Hondas are tight as hell and last forever. Toyotas last forever too, but they're kinda looser feeling.
But if I just got my license and $7K to spend on anything, I'd try to pick up an old 911. :)
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Get a used mid 60's VW bug. Fix it up. Put some porche alloys on it and then figure out what to do with the other 5k you have left. Cheap parts insurance gas everything. Looks good too.
(http://www.bugorama.com/pictures/Bugorama54/IM000991.JPG)
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Or an old MR2. Incredibly fun to drive.
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Don't buy an American car - they're crap. Buy German or Japanese.
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You're in Vegas.
Get something that's not going to be jacked or keyed and has awesome A/C !
I lived in Vegas. I gets a tad warm down there...lol.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Don't buy an American car - they're crap. Buy German or Japanese.
True of recent American cars. Some of the American stuff from the 60's is pretty solid though.
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As a guy who's fresh out of college and a limited budget - I have the following.
I had a Honda Civic for years - 2 of them actually. First was a 93 and I took it upto 250,000 miles and its still going strong. My brother uses it for local driving now. I had a 2001 civic and put 60,000 on that before selling it. I now have an Acura TSX, which of course is the same as a Honda with a different label.
Bottom line: I'm not much for brands, however they are reliable and the insurance premiums reflect that. For your first car, i'd recommend a Civic since it gets better then 35 MPG and can run on regular. And 7,000 if more then enough to get a decent Civic on the used market with ABS, Power everything and airbags. DO NOT compromise on safety.
Wolfala
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"What car is that? Is your insurance rate low?"
It's probably not something you'd want. My point was with 7K, you CAN find the car YOU want if you look hard enough.
And it WILL take awhile....took me several weeks to find my my current ride--despite knowing specifically which year and model I wanted. I ended up driving 180 miles to pick it up, too.
http://www.cars.com is a pretty good place to start, although many of the vehicles they list are overpriced (not all, but a lot of them). Like I said...take your time and look for a good deal.
I currently drive a '95 Buick Roadmaster sedan. My pevious car was a '90 Cadillac Sedan DeVille. I like full size cars that have more than adequate power (like the 'vette-derived LT1 V-8 under the hood of the Buick). My wife drives an '00 Mercury Grand Marquis that I picked out for her. She didn't like it at the time (she liked NEONs and such) but now she loves it.
But that's me....you need to be interested in YOU and what YOU want! If you are a typical teen and you already have an idea of what kind of car you like....do a web search and look for one.
If you take any advice, listen to this: Regardless of what you get, get something with a "bench" front seat--AVOID bucket seats! A bench-style seat is MUCH nicer to have when you're going somewhere with your spouse/girlfiend (HINT, HINT). You can figure it out.
And...please for the love of god don't put a fart-can muffler on it!
DO NOT buy ANY Ford with the 3.8 litre V-6 engine (The GM 3.8 is okay). The head gasket on the Ford 3.8 V-6 doesn't last and if you buy a car with that engine, chances are you'll regret it.
The Cadillac's insurance was more expensive for me, despite the fact that the Buick is a superior car in every aspect--it had to be due to the name and nothing else. My wife has a newer car and pays less still, and even has better coverage.
Being a male and just getting your license, you will pay a lot for insurance no matter what you get. Remember that. Expect insurance to run over 100 bucks a month. It is not uncommon for young men to spend more on insurance than they actually pay for the car they drive.
J_A_B
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"Don't buy an American car - they're crap. Buy German or Japanese." --Beet1e
Don't buy a Japanese or German car--they're nothing more than glorified go-karts. Buy an American car.
"DO NOT compromise on safety. " --Wolfala
You say this as you recommend a Civic.....that's an oxymoron I'm afraid. Civics are unsafe by nature unless you live in a city and neve go more than 30 mph.
J_A_B
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get yourself a 78 monte carlo SS.
You can probably find something that runs but needs a paint job.
Its a big car so you're pretty safe in it. Its a cool enough car for 16 cause its almost a classic. Its old so insurence is going to be dirt cheap.
MPG I'm not sure of but it cant be as bad as an SUV or Truck.
Its a standard chevy so there are PLENTY of parts to buy dirt cheap.......AND YOU SHOULD LEARN TO WRENCH ON YOUR OWN CAR!
Seriously take a night class if you have to. Learning to do your own automotive mait. will save you THOUSANDS in Mait. costs.
Example.....a flush and fill at most shops costs 50-80$. It is not hard to do at all and antifreeze + the kit will cost you less than $ 20.
A clutch otoh will cost you $500-900 depending on the car. MOST of that is labor. I've baught good clutches for $120 before wich saved me a ton of money.
Seriously....if there's a class at your school or local community college take an automotive class.
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AND YOU SHOULD LEARN TO WRENCH ON YOUR OWN CAR
Gotta agree with this, you haven't lived before you've changed cylinder head at minus 25dgr C or burnt your arm in hot exhaust manifold or got plenty of nice scratches to your hands when trying to open the bolts from some narrow place under the car... :D
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Originally posted by 1K3
I just got my drivers' licence today, and i have $7,000 somewhere in my room :D
My question is what car should i get? used Hondas, Toyotas, or Ford?
1) Toyota 2) Honda
1) Make sure you check the compression on the engine.
2) Complete service record
3) Most modern cars have a timing belt as opposed to a timing chain. Make sure it isn't due for a timing belt service - expensive repair. 60-70k life expectancy for a fiberglass reinforced timing belt - 100k life expectancy for a kevlar reinforced timing belt.
4) Check the boots on the CV Axles (halfshafts). Pay particular attention to the outer boots. If cracked, probably needs a new shaft.
5) Check the fluids! If the brake fluid is dirty, probably too contaminated with moisture which in turn attacked the steel/iron linings of the master cylinder, caliper and/or wheel cylinder sleeves. If it is a Honda or Acura, chances that if a master cylinder fails and has brake fluid dripping into the power booster, the booster has to be changed as well. Expensive repair.
6) Have the transmission checked as that is a "common" neglected component as far as routine maintenance is concerned. Very expensive repair!
7) Check the hoses, vacuum lines, and belts.
8) Check the tires for unusual wear.
Well that's off the top of my head. Good luck!
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to insure success with the dating ritual
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/picpopup.php?ImgId=12789) :cool:
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Got a 96 Eclipse myself, 95,000 miles, serviced regularly - still going strong.
FORD - Found On Roadside Dead
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Screw Jap and German cars.They still suck left hind tit where horsepower is concerned.
Get yourself an older muscle car. You should be able to find a decent 70's Trans AM, Z28, Firebird or Camaro in the Vegas area for a couple grand.You may need to spend another couple grand on paint and cleaning it up, decent exaust, wheels ect. Young fella like you should have a real mans *** machine....not some tin can with a bolt on muffler as big as the motor that generally gets caught in a GM V8's air cleaner hehe.
blkmgc
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I bought a Plymouth Brees for $1600 on Ebay. I love that car lol. I figure for 7k, you can just buy a new one ever other year or so.
Just keep in mind what you want the car to do. I mean, when I was 18 I bought a Triumph Spitfire, because my only concern was driving up and down PCH with the top down. That was good then. But when I needed a car at 31, I needed something a bit more practical.
If you just got your license... buy something irresponsible. But don't take my advice, I'm lacking in charactor :)
-Sik
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Originally posted by blkmgc
70's Trans AM, Z28, Firebird or Camaro in the Vegas area for a couple grand.
70's American cars suck. What with the gas crises etc....low compression, low power, anemic motors. If you want an old American car, you need to remember a couple things:
(1) Make sure it is older than 1971
(2) Don't expect it to be as fast as the displacement promises. New cars have a lot of tech that makes them a lot more powerful, liter for liter...without all that extra weight.
(3) Expect poor handling.
(4) Expect to pay out the bellybutton for gas. Premium gas, plus lead substitute additives, plus MMT octane boosters.
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what do you want out of a car?
lazs
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I really dont understand all these reccomendations for 1970s old American cars.. They are big, heavy, handle bad, have poor safety features, use lots of gas, are pretty slow, will require more reapair etc etc.. These are more like hobby cars imo, not a first car to spend all your money on..
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Originally posted by J_A_B
"DO NOT compromise on safety. " --Wolfala
You say this as you recommend a Civic.....that's an oxymoron I'm afraid. Civics are unsafe by nature unless you live in a city and neve go more than 30 mph.
Take a look at this:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/articles/insure/basics/8121.asp
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They are big, heavy, handle bad, have poor safety features, use lots of gas, are pretty slow,
Got news for ya Grun. Even at 37 I like taking out my 77 Rally Sport w/ 325 HP 350, 4 wheel disc brakes, and reworked suspension and eating up little wing wang cars a couple times a year.And it has enough comfort to jump in an drive to the coast for the weekend if I want .(i.e. doesnt ride like a hay waggon, or have that echo chamber fart can exhaust sound effect)
Gas milage? Not all that bad if you keep the secondaries closed .
Safety features? heck, at his age he's indestructable...at least I was when I was that young hehe.I'd much rather get in a wreck in a bigger car than some Honda Scivic or Toyota Crayola.
Pre-70 muscle is better, but costs $$$ especially if you get into GM , Ford or Mopar bigblocks. Small blocks offer the best bang for the small buck, unless you have a ton of dough to dump into em.
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Nope old cars arent as safe as people think... You might be safer in a few circumstances but traffic deaths per mile and accident nowadays are waaay lower than in the 1970s. And that because new cars are much safer overall.
As for your "77" car it sounds like you modified I a lot wqith new stuff, reworked susnoodleion, all around discs??? And you said it yourself, you take it out a couple times a year... So you have this "77" car modified with new technology and you only drive it a few times a ytear. You also talk about dumping $$$ into these cars.. Like I said those are hobby cars...
Do you really reccomend that this kid spend his life savings on a car that he would only drive a few times a year like you do yours..
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MINI! cooper!
the proper mini cooper, not that BMW imposter.....
(http://ardeche2003.free.fr/aor2003/divers/mini%20cooper.JPG)
(http://a.focus.de/D/DL/DLB/DLBE/DLBEA/UPLOAD/Mini_Karosserie1.jpg)
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"Take a look at this: "
Kinda funny how even they admit that the Civic is about worthless if you hit another car and it's only decent in a single-car crash. Essentially they admit that the only reason they included it is because it has standard side-impact airbags.
That's great and all, except single-car crashes aren't what concern me.
So....even according to the website you gave me....the Civic is only good at protecting you from youself (single-car crash) and in a multi-car accident...it leaves you at the mercy of what the other guy happens to be driving.
And unfortunately for the Civic, most vehicles are bigger than it.
I'll stick with my Roadmaster :)
J_A_B
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It's not such a big deal. Plenty of people drive small cars. They're doing fine. If you want to eliminate risk, don't step out of the house...etc.
If safety is so important why not a Mack truck. I mean what if a semi hit you in that Buick, you're toast. So clearly you are being irresponsible J_A_B. :D
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Originally posted by blkmgc
Even at 37 I like taking out my 77 Rally Sport w/ 325 HP 350, 4 wheel disc brakes, and reworked suspension and eating up little wing wang cars a couple times a year.
You talking about civics with coffee cans and bling? A v6 camry could beat those guys. Not saying your ride isn't fast...what are your numbers BTW?
Bottom line is, if you love your car then it's awesome no matter what it is. You take care of it, fix it up, rebuild, hop up, etc. It is no longer a 77 camaro, it is "blkmgc's kickass ride".
But looking at it more objectively especially from the perspective of a new car buyer...avoid 70's American cars. You can do better.
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Granted, safety is always balanced against practicality.
Perhaps a Civic's greatest safety "feature" for a young driver is its complete lack of power. I seem to recall not being the most prudent driver myself when I was a teenager :) As much as I hated it, it's probably just as well that my first car was a 94 HP Mercury Topaz.
70's cars don't always suck, not even the modified ones. My cousin's first car was a '78 Chevy Nova that was fixed up so that it could break into the 13's in the 1/4 (13.8 or so was his best). It served him well for about two years as a daily driver, from something like a $3.5K purchase. Gas costs an awful lot though at 12 MPG when you're buying pemium but for the cost of the car...he had cash left over.
Yeah, yeah, I had a Topaz and he had a Nova. All I can say is now the tables are turned since I have the Roadmaster while he drives a gutless '01 Cougar (he hangs his head in shame whenever he talks about it, especially since he sold his Camaro RS for it).
Anyway, the author of the thread seems to have some idea of what he wants--he specifically mentioned Honda, Toyota and Ford.
Of the three, I'd recommend Ford.
J_A_B
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Well my friend just bought '93 Lexus LS400 with ~6000$.
240hp V8, plenty of electric, air suspension, leather interior, airbags & all. Not a bad price.
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That's what I'd call a solid velicle Staga....not that I'm a toyota fan but if I was....can't do much better than a LS 400.
What kind of mileage does it have? And what kind of torque does that Toyota V-8 put out?
J_A_B
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Originally posted by blkmgc
Screw Jap and German cars.They still suck left hind tit where horsepower is concerned.
Get yourself an older muscle car. You should be able to find a decent 70's Trans AM, Z28, Firebird or Camaro in the Vegas area for a couple grand.You may need to spend another couple grand on paint and cleaning it up, decent exaust, wheels ect. Young fella like you should have a real mans *** machine....not some tin can with a bolt on muffler as big as the motor that generally gets caught in a GM V8's air cleaner hehe.
blkmgc
'73 and earlier were rather decent in horsepower. '74 - '79 were rather dogs in the power dept.
I'd kind of shy away from recommending any type of muscle car to a young one for their first car. Too many opportunities to get into trouble.
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IMO, If you're looking for something thats fun to drive,quick, and Reliable, I would recommend a 97-03 GTP,ask mechanics about the track record of the GM 3800,they are probably one of the most dependable motors built in the last decade. Plus you have a supercharged V6 that will give Mustangs, F-bodies(except LT1 and LS1), and rice plenty of trouble. Or if you want a sleeper get a Regal GS, more luxury,same performance and the Mustang won't know what hit him. Only German cars I like are BMWs and Porsches, and unless you got money flying out of your arnold, I wouldn't suggest it. Hondas are dependable as hell but if you buy one remember the car was engineered as a "Economy car," so don't join the "rice" bangwagon and throw neons, a parkbench on the decklid, a Folger's can on the exhaust, and think you're quick. Whatever you buy make sure you're happy with it and be certain it won't give trouble in the long run.
avoid 70's American cars
A 78' TA with a Olds 403 would be sweet but not practical at all for a teen. That and I believe the CR on those was 7.6:1 or something like that,Damn liberal EPA hippies.
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"A 78' TA"
Black by chance?
J_A_B
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Originally posted by J_A_B
"A 78' TA"
Black by chance?
J_A_B
With Flaming chicken?
When my Triumph went tits up for the 2nd time, I came >< close to buying a blue 78 TA... I probably would have killed myself lol.
-Sik
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As for your "77" car it sounds like you modified I a lot wqith new stuff, reworked susnoodleion, all around discs??? And you said it yourself, you take it out a couple times a year... So you have this "77" car modified with new technology and you only drive it a few times a ytear. You also talk about dumping $$$ into these cars.. Like I said those are hobby cars...
Do you really reccomend that this kid spend his life savings on a car that he would only drive a few times a year like you do yours..
Actually, I only have about 4 grand into the car, and up till a few years ago it was driven daily (except for winter, those cars are useless in the snow). The car came from N carolina, all I had to do was put a decent exhaust, carb/intake, and 4 wheel discs , swaybars and springs(which were all available in the 70's BTW ) 2 years after I bought it, I painted it dropped in a slightly above average cam/lifters/ geardrive and now I just drive it occasionally....probably because I've been driving my old bike and truck (see link/ BTW the Silverado in the background gets up to 100 almost as fast hehe) back and forth to the shop.So its not really a hobby car. Now the 40 Plymouth 2 door I looked at a few days ago (body mounted on a Monte carlo chassis w/ no motor) is going to be a hobby car/money pit hehe.
Phoocat, never ran it for #'s, but a buddy of mine has a rice burner (Subaru), he gets me through first, but I overtake him pretty quick in second, and by third gear I have about 5 carlengths on him. Light to light he'd probably beat me though.
Probably the best thing for a first car is a 500$ beater so you can figgure out what you can and cannot do without loosing too much money crashing it.My first car was a 73 Buick Century 2 door...and yup I stuffed it a few times being a smart a s s, but I only paid a hundred bucks for it, and it had many tank-like qualities.
Edit- Doh add the link stupid
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3909810/1093184605094_triumph3.JPG
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Originally posted by J_A_B
That's what I'd call a solid velicle Staga....not that I'm a toyota fan but if I was....can't do much better than a LS 400.
What kind of mileage does it have? And what kind of torque does that Toyota V-8 put out?
J_A_B
Link (http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/Lexus1stGen/Lexus1stGen.htm)
Nice car; I'd say it would be better buy than a similar Mercedes or BMW. Friend's Lexus has 280k at odometer (+170k miles) but the interior and exterior are on par with 10y newer cars.
Checked the "Kelly's Blue Book"; First LS400s are just +/- 7000$
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ty very much for the feedback:)...
Now my question is,...
Do 60s-70s car have power stirring?
Can 60s-70s junk muscle car handle like "bimmers" if you replace it
with sport-type shocks/struts?
Can 60s-70s junk stop like "bimmers" by replacing drums with 4 disc 12' disc brakes with ABS or EBD?
Does 60s-70s muscle car chassis support new engines?
Btw, my dream car is a restored Dodge Charger chassis with upgraded features like BMW/Honda type suspensions, powerful 4 disc brakes with ABS and EBD found on Infiniti G-35, and the super-efficient 4cyl turbo monster found on Mitsubishi Lancer EVO:D
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Originally posted by J_A_B
My cousin's first car was a '78 Chevy Nova that was fixed up so that it could break into the 13's in the 1/4 (13.8 or so was his best).
The key here is "fixed up". When you fix it up, it is no longer the same car. So it has nothing to do with whether the original was good or not. You can fix up just about anything and make it great.
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Originally posted by 1K3
Do 60s-70s car have power stirring?
Yup. They're a bit more fun to drive with the power steering removed, but a complete PITA in parking lots if you do that. ;)
Originally posted by 1K3
Can 60s-70s junk muscle car handle like "bimmers" if you replace it
with sport-type shocks/struts?
No, unfortunately. Not even close. This would entail a lot of money and time, and after you are done it will still not handle well. Two limiting factors here--chassis stiffness and weight.
Originally posted by 1K3
Can 60s-70s junk stop like "bimmers" by replacing drums with 4 disc 12' disc brakes with ABS or EBD?
Perhaps. If you put much thicker tires on it. I don't think you will find 3rd party EBD systems though.
Originally posted by 1K3
Does 60s-70s muscle car chassis support new engines?
Yep. But instead of a EVO 4 banger, you could stuff in a Twin turbo intercooled V8. That would rock.
So, 1K3, from this response I see that you are a car guy. ;) Are you into handling/fun-to-drive, or into straight line rockets?
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Well if you buy an old muscle car you'll learn soon how to fix cars; too bad you won't have money to buy parts after spending them all to fuel and tires... ;D
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phookat:
Given that a stock 78 Nova is about as crappy as they come (well it's better than a Gremlin), that car is definate proof that you can fix up anything.
Point is he bought it in that fixed up condition, didn't do the wok himself. It held up fairly well for a mid $3K car.
Staga:
Thanks for the link. Looks like the first-gen Lexus runs about on par with the Cadillac I used to have, just a tiny fraction faster. Suprisingly it also requires pemium gas, just like the Caddy did. The newer ones seem to be more on par with the Buick.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by phookat
So, 1K3, from this response I see that you are a car guy. ;) Are you into handling/fun-to-drive, or into straight line rockets?
I'm fine with both as long as my cousin's souped up Grand Prix GTP (new Z or V rated tires, stiffer suspesion,) does not lean left when turn right @ moderate speeds:D
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Originally posted by 1K3
I'm fine with both
LOL Yeah both is good... :D But if you had to pick one, which do you prefer?
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here's a little something to help you make your decision.
http://ryan.cayton.org/misc/gtpvsviper.wmv (http://ryan.cayton.org/misc/gtpvsviper.wmv ) :D
Brings a tear to my eye,reminds me of the GNs
Do 60s-70s car have power stirring?l
some cars did,most musclecars were ordered low-optioned because they were lighter(faster) and cheaper.
Can 60s-70s junk muscle car handle like "bimmers" if you replace it
Yes, but your pockets will be hurting.
Can 60s-70s junk stop like "bimmers" by replacing drums with 4 disc 12' disc brakes with ABS or EBD?
again, you can throw some Lakewoods or some Baers on pretty much any popular musclecar and it will stop on a dime,its gonna cost you though
Does 60s-70s muscle car chassis support new engines?
You should be able bolt anything in between the fenders of most musclecars,the most popular engine swap I've seen lately has to be LS1, the engine gets great mileage(the C5 vettes get 29 on the highway I believe) for a V8, and they're light. But like I explained unless you're good buddies with someone that owns a junkyard or has the hookup,its not really feasible for a teen. Sorry for the long post
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Yep. But instead of a EVO 4 banger, you could stuff in a Twin turbo intercooled V8. That would rock.
This guy has the right idea (http://www.bgnra.org/Chris_Chow_Dyno_Burn.htm)
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Originally posted by phookat
LOL Yeah both is good... :D But if you had to pick one, which do you prefer?
This question is too hard!
that's why there's a car company called...Bayerische Motor Werken:D
btw, is the 1076hp monte carlo mod street legal?
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Get a 1968 El Camino.
That was my first car. It even had an 8-track!
I wish I had never sold it.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Got a 96 Eclipse myself, 95,000 miles, serviced regularly - still going strong.
FORD - Found On Roadside Dead
I have a 2002 Explorer w/ AMSOIL treatment. I should get more than 150,000 miles on the engine. Never punched it within the first two oil changes. Changed it every 5,000 myself. Wife' 1997 Taurus spins like a top with 91,000 miles on it. It'd smoke that Mitsu*****i.
First On Race Day = FORD
Karaya
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Ford makes great cars and trucks.
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Originally posted by Irocz
This guy has the right idea (http://www.bgnra.org/Chris_Chow_Dyno_Burn.htm)
Haven't seen that in awhile, love that clip.
btw, is the 1076hp monte carlo mod street legal?
Didn't pay that close attention to the car, but is that a monte or a GN?
'78 Dodge Diplomat. Man what a POS. Saved my life a few times at least. Owned a '76 Nova in there somewhere too. Fun car.
Get ya an older car like what these guys are saying. Drive it for a year. If you and it make it, hang on to it and rebuild/recondition it. Your first car is something that you will never forget. Not so much for the car, but for the experience.
Get a 1968 El Camino.
That was my first car. It even had an 8-track!
I wish I had never sold it.
Most guys here probably feel the same way. "LEARN HOW TO WRENCH YOUR OWN RIDE!", or whatever the quote was. The guy is spot on. Another benefit of hooking up with an older American car that hasn't been reconditioned is that you will quickly get a lesson in mechanics. Get it now while you can afford to. What you learn will stay with you your whole life, and might just come in handy. It's good stuff to know.
Of course, you don't have to get one that hasn't been reconditioned, you have 7k to spend. That will buy you alot of someone else's time and sweat in a car like that. Something in the middle would probably be better. Something someone has started on, kept in good running condition.
That '78 Diplomat, that big brown POS. I wish I still had it, just because. That old Nova, I wish I had it so I could fix it up. The '73 Dodge Dart, had about 30k original miles on it when I got my dirty little hands on it,(original tires from the factory still on it in '93) that would be a cool ride too. '73 LeMans, that was one strong old SOB.
Originally posted by 1K3
I just got my drivers' licence today, and i have $7,000 somewhere in my room :D
My question is what car should i get? used Hondas, Toyotas, or Ford?
If ya got to get an old Ford, get a Gran Tourismo, or a late '50's CrownVic. Save the Hondas and Toyotas for when your wife has yer balls in her purse. You'll still have that first car of yours in the garage hopefully.
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The car in the second vid is a 87 GN(Regal T-type WE-4,same thing almost) with I believe a twin-turbo 406,I don't really remember,its been awhile since I've seen that video also. But the funny thing is he's not even getting all that power to the dyno. As for street-legal, I couldn't tell ya but from the looks of the header primaries dumping out the fender,I'm gonna say no.
And the first video is a mildly-modded GTP beating a Viper RT/10. Its pretty sweet when your blower is soo loud that it drones out the Viper's V10.
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Originally posted by 1K3
I just got my drivers' licence today, and i have $7,000 somewhere in my room :D
My question is what car should i get? used Hondas, Toyotas, or Ford?
Acura Integra GS-R, 1995 or so. 0-60 under 7 sec, great handling, great fuel economy, great reliability, great resale value, and a huge aftermarket.
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Originally posted by phookat
70's American cars suck.
80's aren't much better.
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Originally posted by Irocz
The car in the second vid is a 87 GN(Regal T-type WE-4,same thing almost) with I believe a twin-turbo 406,I don't really remember,its been awhile since I've seen that video also.
I thought that's what it was, but didn't look close enough to be able to tell. I just turned the volume up and closed my eyes:D
{QUOTE]And the first video is a mildly-modded[/i] GTP beating a Viper RT/10. Its pretty sweet when your blower is soo loud that it drones out the Viper's V10. [/QUOTE]
Mildly modded?
Sold a guy that's stationed at the AF base here an '00 Monte SS. He stops by every few months and shows me what he's done to the car. Claims he's got a plan to get 500hp out of his supercharged 3.8L GTP motor that he put in it. He's about 290 now on the dyno. Again, this is what the guy is tellin me. I've ridden in it, and I can tell you it's got more balls than any GTP or SC'd monte I've been in. Stock is 240hp, not at the wheels though. 280 torque, which is what gets those cars off the line. He never told me what his torque ratings are.
I'd imagine that his 'mildly modded' GTP motor would have a hard time keeping up with that Viper. But hell, ya never can tell till ya put it on the track I guess:D
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500 hp on wrong-wheel-drive, crazy. :)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
500 hp on wrong-wheel-drive, crazy. :)
That's about what I said to him when he told me. That torque steer has got be bad. But hell, it's his money.
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Cheap to insure, great milage, theft isn't a problem either!
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Zero to top speed in less than 2 seconds too.:D
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Originally posted by 1K3
This question is too hard!
that's why there's a car company called...Bayerische Motor Werken:D
Indeed. But for $7K, you'll probably have to pick one or the other. ;)
I can tell you this--better to start with fun-to-drive, and later build up the engine to make it fast. It is easier IMO to make a car faster, than to make it handle better. Handling is a function of the chassis and weight, and you can't really change those much. But you can do a lot of stuff to an engine to make it more powerful.
I'd suggest test driving an old Toyota MR2 or Porsche 911. The MR2 is a Lotus design, they basically designed it and handed the blueprints to Toyota. You'll be amazed how fun these cars are to drive...at a subliminal level. It ain't just about the numbers. Since you live in the desert, I'm sure you can find something in good condition either in Vegas or SoCal.
Of the two I'd recommend the MR2 just because it's more reliable and parts will be cheaper. Plus it is cheaper to start with. You can find a good condition 85-89 Mk1 MR2 for about 1500-2000. Then take it to a shop to rebuild the engine (about $1500), just so you have a clean start. It won't be unbelievably fast, but it will be extremely fun to drive. And you have $3500 left over...after saving up a little more, you can build up the engine to 250-350 HP...in a light car like that, you'll beat just about anyone off the line.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
80's aren't much better.
True. They were sorta kinda getting their act together by the late 80's, but never really caught up IMO. Even today...close but not quite.
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what do you want out of a car?
I have a Lincoln town car and a 69 El Camino and a 55 Healey... I drive the El Camino the most... the Lincoln is for chaufering my grandaughter and girlfriend around in and mostly sits around.
lazs
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Get a Chevy S-10.
Mine has 105,000 miles on it and still runs like brand new.
VERY Cheap to insure as well, I have myself on it (I'm 20) and I pay roughly 70 bucks a month for it.
Get the extended cab too, the room is worth it.
It can haul a great deal too, I've made some money doing that ;)
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That's funny, I find it easier to impove a car's handling than it's performance. Better tires, stiffer shocks, lower suspension, larger stabilizer bars--that's all pretty basic stuff.
But...I don't like the modern trend of making cars handle better anyway. In normal diving you never need a car's maximum handling potential. In other words, the only thing nice handling gives you on a daily basis is a bumpy uncomfortable ride. No thanks. I know that's the trend nowdays and all, but maybe that's why I don't drive a new car. Acceleration on the other hand, you can use that all the time.
The BMW's I've driven rode like a Ford Escort. I hated them. I hate feeling every bump. I'd rather be comfortable than know I can pull .84G's at a skidpad I'll never go to.
If you're talking about an actual performance car that you take to the track...then it's important to have excellent handling. But in a road car? It doesn't matter.
Lazs--
What motivated you to buy the Lincoln? If you needed a highway cruiser, I'd think you would've been happier with a '94 to '96 Impala SS or even a Cadillac.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by J_A_B
That's funny, I find it easier to impove a car's handling than it's performance. Better tires, stiffer shocks, lower suspension, larger stabilizer bars--that's all pretty basic stuff.
Improve, yes. Improve to match a 911, no. Not even close. You're still lugging around all that weight with a mushy chassis and have a live axle in back. But you can certainly get a 911 or an MR2 hopped up to beat muscle cars on the straights.
Originally posted by J_A_B
But...I don't like the modern trend of making cars handle better anyway. In normal diving you never need a car's maximum handling potential.
Have you ever driven a car that handles well? 911, MR2, Z3, S2k? Fun-to-drive is something that you experience every time you drive...in those cars.
Originally posted by J_A_B
The BMW's I've driven rode like a Ford Escort. I hated them. I hate feeling every bump. I'd rather be comfortable than know I can pull .84G's at a skidpad I'll never go to.
Well, OK, I guess you are not into good handling. But 1K3 is, judging from his posts.
Originally posted by J_A_B
If you're talking about an actual performance car that you take to the track...then it's important to have excellent handling. But in a road car? It doesn't matter.
It does for someone who enjoys good handling.
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BY mildly-modded,I mean 3.0"supercharger pulley,IC, possibly rockers, CAI, and full exhaust. Doesn't take much to get these cars into the 13s. A pulley swap from stock->3.4" alone is suppose to yield 25-30 HP at the wheels if your KR is under control.
80's aren't much better.
True to an extent,but in the mid 80s is when the Ford and GM got their *#&$ straight and started making some power with EFI. I little biased on this one, but a 87-90 Camaro IROC-Z L98 could pull .92 on the skidpad and run the 1/4 in the mid-low 14s(if you can launch it right,hard car to launch on street tread).85-93 5.0s ran almost the same and it wasn't uncommon for a notchback LX 5.0 to see high 13s with minor mods. The thing is both these cars are rattletraps unless your throw sub-frame connectors and even then they handle awesome but they ride like tanks. If you wanna go fast for cheap though, these are the first cars that come to mind. If you care about a car that is practical and fast,then a L67-powered w-body is where its at.
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Well said IrocZ. Those are good performance cars for the money, despite the rattles and live-axle handling.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Acura Integra GS-R, 1995 or so. 0-60 under 7 sec, great handling, great fuel economy, great reliability, great resale value, and a huge aftermarket.
Yep. That would be a good sport car choice.
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Also a Mazda Miata of similar vintage if you want a "pure" sports car. They are a little underpowered but great handling cars. You could autocross it bone stock, and again a huge aftermarket.
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I would concur that a Miata is a great sports car. I wouldn't mind having one as a second car.
Not very practical for a daily diver though IMO.
J_A_B
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500 hp on wrong-wheel-drive, crazy.
Torque steer won't be that bad considering if he wants to put that power to the ground without sending his diff through the casing ,he's gonna need a strong LSD and the LSD will usually discourage torque steer. I just love the duality of these cars,stay off the gas and its a mid-size sedan that sounds like it has a vacuum leak and then when you hop on it, you're instantly reminded whats under there and many don't realize what these cars are capable of(which is a good thing). My GS whistles like crazy under load almost reminds me of a 737 starting up. I also liked the last gen. Maximas,test drove a 02' GXE and was very impressed,tranny felt a little weird but was car was very responsive in everyway. But I believe the pricetag on that was 18500 with 41,xxx miles, so I guess thats out of the question.
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Yep turbos are fun.
With FWD you can get an LSD (or a spool) and you can learn to deal with torque steer, but you can't do anything about weight transfer. RWD car is always going to have an advantage off the line if everything else is equal.
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Originally posted by 1K3
I just got my drivers' licence today, and i have $7,000 somewhere in my room :D
My question is what car should i get? used Hondas, Toyotas, or Ford?
just sit outside any pawn boker in Vegas with in a hr or two some slob will come with his baby to hock it or sell it. Picked up some nice cars that way when I lived in Reno.
Or best car for money is go to banks ask them what repo's they taking bids on. When bank repo's car they put them up for sealed bids. Seen new cars go for 1 to 4K and only have 2k miles . Had friend pick up a nice 2003 mustang 5 k miles for 1500 bid.
But if you buy used car to a CARFAX its free on internet. Do this before you buy can save your money from being lost..............
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Originally posted by 1K3
I just got my drivers' licence today, and i have $7,000 somewhere in my room :D
My question is what car should i get? used Hondas, Toyotas, or Ford?
Ford pickup mid 70s or earlier, around $800 -$900 save rest of your $$$ for when you move or emergencies. upside you'll have something to haul your stuff when you move.
if you do get a pickup truck, remb this rule if nothing else. keep the bed clean, and I mean clean, sweep, wash etc. let nothing stay in bed more than a couple days. prevents rusting.
if these already been said etc sorry didn't bother read much after this post.
Good Luck
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Use your imagination. All these and more are on Ebay for <7k
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twin turbo charged v8 intercooled. you mean aftercooled. inter cooler goes between turbos and superchager.
daily ride is 1994 peterbilt 379 3412 cat v12 twin turbo air to air aftercooler 1100hp. first trans is 18speed second trans 4speed overdrive rear end 3.55. 3mpg. but back to your car. watch silver streak. then get the jag. 7k get you a good one in las vegas.
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JAB I bought the Lincloln for several reasons. I needed a big luxury cruiser and it had to be rear wheel drive. I had thought Impala SS but... I really didn't need another hot rod. I knew it was not gonna get driven much. My son was a limo driver in his off time a few years ago and he is also a mechanic. He told me that the Lincolns were extremely reliable. the cadilacs have really spotty reputations. The town car has a full frame under it an is actually a pretty nice car. Hard to find a good used one tho for a decent price.. No way could I have gotten an impala with all the luxo stuff as the Lincoln for anything close to the price.
lazs
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Funked~
The thought occured to me that a LOT of people make fun of and refuse to buy the classic American auto due to large size and unspectacular handling. The most common comment I get on the Buick is that I have an "old man's car" and not something a younger person would want. Yet, many of these same people go out and buy SUV's, which are typically large and handle so horribly they make my Buick seem like a Porche in comparison. Well....except they handle badly AND ride badly too, the worst of both worlds.
Doesn't it seem a bit ironic? That the vehicle once villified as outdated and out of place in the modern world....is actually a more efficient and logical choice than it's apparent successor?
I still view SUV's as nothing more than jacked-up station wagons with pre-packaged "attitude" and without the wood sides. Countrary to the popular trend, I think of SUV's as ideal old people's cars because the height makes it easier to get in for an older individual.
J_A_B