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Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: 2Hawks on September 11, 2004, 10:50:13 AM
I would like to thank everyone over the last 2.5 years for the wonderful Combat Sim game time.

Up until recently, it's been incredible fun. However, as I am sure you have all read numerous posts on. This ENY thing. It's just not cutting it.

If I was playing a game of baseball, say for the Mariners. If the Angels showed up with half a team, we would not be expected to play with wiffle balls and no mits, while the Angels were given regular balls and mits to use.  The same goes, that if I am playing for the Mariners, I am certainly not going to switch sides so the Angels can have a full balance team.

HTC, if you cater to whiners, you will have whiners for customers, they will never be happy, and may very well drive you to drink.  I will check in on AH to see hows it's changed from time to time. but for now, it's adieu.

It has really been fun. But recently, it's become more entertaining to make suicide runs in my G-10 of F4U-1 just too see how long it takes 5 La7's, and 5 Ponies to catch up and squander my virtual Life. You can't even strategize for the disparity of performance.

Dan.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Morpheus on September 11, 2004, 11:21:47 AM
Sad to see you go bud. You did alot of favors for me as far as internet things go and helped me out with advise from time to time when I needed it about these damned machines called PCs'.

Not to mention the fact that it was a real joy to fly with you when you flew with the Muppets.

One things certain. If the game isnt fun for you anymore, it makes no sense to continue to play it. Maybe a break is all that is needed to get that itch again to fly.

Its this trend in the game, the trend of good players walking away from the game one after another that is going to kill it for me.

They are the ones, players like  you, 2hawk and quite a few others, that have made the game what it is for me today. Saddly, they are all leaving. Most of my squad now plays in another sim. And even after dam near begging them to come back to AH and fly and give it another try they just dont want to anymore. These are the same squadies that used to be on for hours and hours on end, winging, flying, fighting, joking, and having fun.

So what good has come out of regulatory things such as the eny system now in place? Its there only to cater to the newer players of AH, the ones who dont know how to fend for them selves yet and dont want to take the time to learn how to do so. To pretect them at a time when they are most vulnerable. When the odds are against them and they are lost in the virtual skies, alone, and helpless.  
Rather than taking the time to look around the map and find a good fight, or find some guys to wing up with to counter a larger crowd of players, the fly into it, alone, and die. Thus the whinning begins.


Like I've said before. Change is never easy. But these kinds of changes are imposible to stomach and make it even harder to continue to hang around and have fun.
Title: Re: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Zanth on September 11, 2004, 11:31:03 AM
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Originally posted by 2Hawks
If I was playing a game of baseball, say for the Mariners. If the Angels showed up with half a team, we would not be expected to play with wiffle balls and no mits, while the Angels were given regular balls and mits to use.  The same goes, that if I am playing for the Mariners, I am certainly not going to switch sides so the Angels can have a full balance team.


Absolutely correct, but not for the point you intended.  Fair play and side balancing is such a key and fundamental issue in baseball (actually in all sports) that under those circumstances you would in fact not be allowed to play AT ALL.

That being said, enjoy your break - everyone gets burn-out from time to time.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: MOIL on September 11, 2004, 11:40:02 AM
Big Hylandr

Hope to see you again one day back in the game. Was an honor fighting with you from way back in the early days.
Who knows, maybe they'll fix the game and all the guys will come back and we'll have one he11 of a party!

You take care.

Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: parker00 on September 11, 2004, 11:43:52 AM
Hylandr leaving the squad?  Hate to see you go since you just came back to the squad but good luck.  I will be doing the same thing at the end of this month.  My reason is not only for the ENY but if their really thinking about more things to hinder one side to make it better for the other, then so be it.  Good luck to you sir and hope you the best.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Blammo on September 11, 2004, 12:55:28 PM
Hylandr.  Hate to see you go, but hope to see you back soon.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Arlo on September 11, 2004, 01:06:24 PM
2Hawks .... hate to see you go. But I see a flaw in the philosophy presented in this "I hereby publicly quit over the ENY restriction system. HT, if you give into whiners, all you'll have is whiners. If things change back to the way I personally like it best then I may consider returning." post.

No offense but it looked like the "Lil Lord Fauntleroy" factor, buddy. JMO, though.

Good luck and have fun going and doing whatever you intend to go and do.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Morpheus on September 11, 2004, 01:28:43 PM
Arlo, that is hardly close to what he was saying.

There is nothing wrong with leaving and giving your reasons as to why one leaves. Not saying you think this way, im just saying is all. :)

People *****ed and moaned about hordes, numbers, not being able to get a kill because of the massive hordes. Not being able to take bases because of the massive hordes. Not being able to have fun because of the massive hordes.

And during all that complaining, no one did a single thing (I am talking about the players now) to change the situation. If they wanted a more "even" fight or arena for that matter, they could have gotten some of their people to switch sides and help "balance" things out a bit. But as it was people remained pathedicly loyal to their beloved chess peice and continued to squeal like stuck pigs about how everything just wasnt fair.

Sooner or later they would have switched sides. Orgainzed missions, dones something, anything to counter odds against them. I dont agree in the slightest with this ENY thing. I hate it. But no one else was going to do anything so HT did. We made out beds now we got to sleep in them.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Arlo on September 11, 2004, 02:09:58 PM
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Arlo, that is hardly close to what he was saying.

 


Morph ... that's exactly what he was saying (whether he meant to or not). It CAN be accurately paraphrased to:

1: I don't personally like the ENY restriction system.

2: HT, if you give into whiners then the game is full of nothing but whiners.

3: I'm quitting the game but I'm going to monitor it and see if you fix it back to the way I want it and if you do I may come back.

He can quit if he wants to. He can give whatever reason (or not) he wants to. But he runs the risk of having his reasoning questioned when he publically states reasons and philosophies that conflict. It smacks of the same whine-leveraging he's accusing HT of caving in to.

I bear no animosity toward 2Hawks ... but I'm not gonna sit back and let him make this kind of post without at least a response dealing with the hypocricy it obviously contains.
Title: Lol.
Post by: 2Hawks on September 11, 2004, 02:39:45 PM
I realized that argument might be presented as I wrote it.

But ultimatly, I feel it's rather rude to up and leave a bunch of freinds without even saying goodbye or say why it's time to leave.  It gets to a point when you are used to seeing certain people in the game all the time, that when a person vanishes without a trace, his freinds begin to wonder if everything is ok back in the real world for them.

Just for the record, I don't believe I will be back at all. regardless of what HTC does with the game.  I realize I am one person, but I am one person who has paid and played for a long time. It has been my experience that people who whine and moan about htis or that will NEVER be happy, and will eventually leave after a few weeks, maybe months.

If I can do any service to HTC with feedback why I am leaving then I feel I would have contributed. For the same reason he has a survey for new pilots when they join the MA for the first time.

I feel AH had it's limelight in AH1.  I will be installing AH1 and flying Head to Head over VPN Wan connections in LAN mode. if anyone is interested, lemmie know.

Dan.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Arlo on September 11, 2004, 02:41:01 PM
In that case, take care .... friend.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Morpheus on September 11, 2004, 04:28:14 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
Morph ... that's exactly what he was saying (whether he meant to or not). It CAN be accurately paraphrased to:

1: I don't personally like the ENY restriction system.

2: HT, if you give into whiners then the game is full of nothing but whiners.

3: I'm quitting the game but I'm going to monitor it and see if you fix it back to the way I want it and if you do I may come back.

 


Arlo, you are over looking things here. I shouldnt and wont say anything more after this.

But if the game is tailored to people who ***** and moan about everything. Hylandr is right, sooner or later you are going to have a game filled with whinners because they know that if they whine enough, they will get what they want. Like children.

There is nothing wrong with Hylandr coming back to AH from time to time to check out the scene, and see if maybe some things that he didnt like about the game have gone away.

He wasnt offering HT an ultimatum, he was simply stating where he stood and why.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Arlo on September 11, 2004, 04:37:31 PM
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS

But if the game is tailored to people who ***** and moan about everything. Hylandr is right, sooner or later you are going to have a game filled with whinners because they know that if they whine enough, they will get what they want. Like children.



Litmus test.

What is the loudest whine currently on the bbs? :)
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Morpheus on September 11, 2004, 04:46:06 PM
very cute arlo.

Involving you in a converstaion is like inserting a red hot poker in your eye. Its always going to be a bumb bellybutton thing to do.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Arlo on September 11, 2004, 04:56:08 PM
Gawsh, MoRpHy .... 2Hawks certainly didn't get as offended as you seem to be gettin'. Good for him .... no real offense was meant. But if you're gonna take it ... well hey.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Morpheus on September 11, 2004, 04:59:22 PM
Im hardly offended. Not in the least bit actually. I am simply stating the obvious.

Sometimes the "obvious" is harder to see for some than others.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Arlo on September 11, 2004, 05:00:30 PM
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Im hardly offended. Not in the least bit actually. I am simply stating the obvious.

Sometimes the "obvious" is harder to see for some than others.


Truly it is. Wear your obvious goggles and re-read my posts then.

No ... wait ... I'll simplify it even more.

1: It's ok to leave.

2: It's ok to post why.

3: Just about anything is ok.

4: I just find it ironic when someone leaves complaining about something in the game but adds that they also think people complaining about something in the game is ruining the game.

Don't get simpler than that so don't ask. :)
Title: Re: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: NoBaddy on September 11, 2004, 05:53:55 PM
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Originally posted by 2Hawks
If I was playing a game of baseball, say for the Mariners. If the Angels showed up with half a team, we would not be expected to play with wiffle balls and no mits, while the Angels were given regular balls and mits to use.  The same goes, that if I am playing for the Mariners, I am certainly not going to switch sides so the Angels can have a full balance team.

 


Perhaps not, but, what if the Angels tried to put 18 players on the field?
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Nomak on September 11, 2004, 06:32:29 PM
When its time to go its just time.  You know it when it comes.  The reasons really dont matter.

I tried to quit AH 40 or 50 times.  Always came back, it wasnt time.  Once it really arrives though there is no going back.  For me anyway (Shrug)

Good luck Sir.

Dave
Title: Re: Re: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: 2Hawks on September 11, 2004, 11:25:36 PM
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Perhaps not, but, what if the Angels tried to put 18 players on the field?


Deal with it, and still cap your sorry butts. :)

Thats what Makes it fun. The challenge. Having a fight anywhere you go and be able to RTB if your good against eveyone else flying the same plane as you.

See, before ENY mattered in the availability of planes, we all flew the same bird. Nobody forced the underdogs to fly older or slower planes.

See it's the people who are truly good that are being penalized. It's harder to do true ACM in a faster more modern fighter, than it is in the older planes. IMHO. Thats why I chose to fly "Real Mens Planes".  It's a greater challenge. If your in a fuball with a high ENY plane in the midst of LA7's and Ponies and the like, it's just a matter of time. History itself has proven this.

You can only out turn so many Bore and Zoomers for so long. Eventually, even the deck claims you.

Combine this with the other bugs, and the greater experience other games are offering for less $$ and you can see why I am taking off. It's only a matter of time I think, until the rest of you follow suit.

See you all in some other skies.

Dan.
Title: Re: Re: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: B17Skull12 on September 11, 2004, 11:36:09 PM
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Perhaps not, but, what if the Angels tried to put 18 players on the field?
nail= on the head!
Title: Re: Re: Re: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Arlo on September 11, 2004, 11:40:40 PM
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Originally posted by 2Hawks
Deal with it, and still cap your sorry butts. :)

Thats what Makes it fun. The challenge. Having a fight anywhere you go and be able to RTB if your good against eveyone else flying the same plane as you.

See, before ENY mattered in the availability of planes, we all flew the same bird. Nobody forced the underdogs to fly older or slower planes.

See it's the people who are truly good that are being penalized. It's harder to do true ACM in a faster more modern fighter, than it is in the older planes. IMHO. Thats why I chose to fly "Real Mens Planes".  It's a greater challenge. If your in a fuball with a high ENY plane in the midst of LA7's and Ponies and the like, it's just a matter of time. History itself has proven this.

You can only out turn so many Bore and Zoomers for so long. Eventually, even the deck claims you.

Combine this with the other bugs, and the greater experience other games are offering for less $$ and you can see why I am taking off. It's only a matter of time I think, until the rest of you follow suit.

See you all in some other skies.

Dan.


Sorry, Dan. Can't see it at all ... other than general burn-out. Flying ponies and Lalas in the horde certainly isn't upholding that philosophy. And if you're in the horde, bet you're not gettin' swarmed with Lalas and Ponies, either.

All it did was give the players the option of staying on the side with overwhelming odds at the cost of THEIR bore-n-zoom chariots or switching to the side getting swarmed and getting the privilege of being swarmed in any ride you want to fly.

You do what ya gotta do. Don't expect to make a valid political statement doing it. That comes off martyrish. And I don't think you really planned on doing that.

God speed, man.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: dracon on September 11, 2004, 11:50:07 PM
2Hawks,

1st...Sad to see you go bro!  I think you're Right On!  The posters here are the small minority.  I think a good portion of the community at large is in a "Wait And See" mode.  Others are trickling out.  We see the few that announce their exit here.  The next horde may very well be defined as: "The Ones That Left".

Example: tonight at Prime Time, 9 EDT, 314 players.  Hmmm...Are the Olympics still on TV??  I don't think so Tim!

I'll leave it there.  I would hate to seem to be arlo's Chicken Little.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: B17Skull12 on September 11, 2004, 11:58:24 PM
Dracon wrong.  at 9 pm edt there is always around 300-320 people online ever since the move to AH2.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Arlo on September 12, 2004, 12:18:18 AM
That's the longest olympics we've had to date. Right?
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: onions4u on September 12, 2004, 08:07:08 AM
2Hawks/Hylandr real sorry to see you leave the squad and the game we all will miss you. I understand why u don't play much anymore and have been thinking that it's not a great deal for the money anymore. I use to play all the time especially when I became disabled. But latey it's not as much fun as it used to be.
I read a post a few days ago when someone said why don't they do away with base takes all together. See people complaining about the bombers bombing to low, making the fighters hangers harder to kill etc.,etc.. Even Twitchy's looking at other games to play and does not play as much anymore.  Anyway keep in touch give us a yell or the squad site sometimes.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: dracon on September 12, 2004, 10:57:08 AM
B17Skull12???

Yer jokin' right?  I USED to play every night I'm home and Saturday was a biggie!

Let's see some stats?  Where would you get 'em?
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Mugzeee on September 12, 2004, 11:27:02 AM
sorry to see you go 2Hawks
But i too have spent WAY less time in AH2. Felling kinda not interested anymore. The ENY limiter thing was an idea worth trying. But i too disagree with it. There are just too many other ways to handle balance the would leave us felling less infringed upon.
I salute you and hope to see you in the virtual skies somewhere again. I have started playing other sims along with AH2 and maybe we will meet again.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: 2Hawks on September 12, 2004, 11:38:05 AM
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Originally posted by Arlo
Sorry, Dan. Can't see it at all ... other than general burn-out. Flying ponies and Lalas in the horde certainly isn't upholding that philosophy. And if you're in the horde, bet you're not gettin' swarmed with Lalas and Ponies, either.


you do what ya gotta do. Don't expect to make a valid political statement doing it. That comes off martyrish. And I don't think you really planned on doing that.

God speed, man.


1. I am not burnt out as I am still looking for something to play that allows me to kill.

2. As far as ponies and LA7s, I fly them too. I like to use the right tool for the job. I just dno't like being forced to use inadequate tools for no preventable military action . Other than that it boils down to strategy. Or being unable to strategize no matter how high you start dropping down on your enemy.

Arlo, I can see that your very good at debating, and would prefer you not put words into my mouth. I am not here to debate why I left. I have already stated why. Apparently, others feel the same way.  No amount of master-debating will change that.

You don't need to feel like you lost though, there was never any contest here to win.

HOWEVER to throw food to the monkies, I will indulge in a whine if it makes anyone feel any better.

Here we have frequent recurring bugs, and rather than address these issues first he's diddling with ENY and pissing players off.

Focus Pinky... Focus....

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Mind You,  I had a pilot wound, and I knew I would be dead soon, but this is the kind of thing that annoys me in the middle of furballs. Don't tell me it's my system. I have bean in IT longer than most players in AH have been wanking it.

Oh yea, and you can still see the tracks of GV's through hills.

Gents. It HAS been fun.

Dan.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Arlo on September 12, 2004, 11:43:43 AM
What are your settings? Are you pre-loading your art? What card is that?

I'm guessing your art was reloading after blackouts .... but you didn't say.

See? No slams. Just curiousity. :)
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Morpheus on September 12, 2004, 11:44:23 AM
Title: No blackouts. It just does that.
Post by: 2Hawks on September 12, 2004, 11:50:47 AM
No blackouts. It just does that.

Two or Three times an hour.  Preloading doesn't matter.  it loads textures all over again after this happens. and is usually fatal if there are cons near. I just fly on instruments until it comes back. Which takes about a minute.

Then there is the smoke that switches between white and black depending if it's in plane with your AC or not.

Anyhow, Enjoy guys,
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: B17Skull12 on September 12, 2004, 12:02:06 PM
wow people might just be right that AH2 is still in beta?
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: dracon on September 12, 2004, 12:03:03 PM
2Hawks,

Three things!  What Direct X version are you using?  Get version:  9.0c

What Video card and what drivers?

Get Driver Cleaner 3 here: http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/  Follow the simple instructions and reinstall Video drivers then re-install Direct-X

If that doesn't work...Fresh install AH2.  Defrag and Scan Disk prior to install.  Not necessary but it never hurts!

Need more let me know!
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Cobra412 on September 12, 2004, 12:05:18 PM
2Hawks that is weird that it is doing that to you.  The only time mine does that is if I alt tab and come back in.  Even then though it only takes a second for my system to put all the textures back to normal.

Skull and just how many people are having these same issues?  If they are and haven't reported it then it's their own fault.  Seems like 2Hawks maybe a special case considering I don't think anyone has posted this kind of error before.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: 2Hawks on September 12, 2004, 12:09:56 PM
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Originally posted by dracon
2Hawks,

Three things!  What Direct X version are you using?  Get version:  9.0c

What Video card and what drivers?

Get Driver Cleaner 3 here: http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/  Follow the simple instructions and reinstall Video drivers then re-install Direct-X

If that doesn't work...Fresh install AH2.  Defrag and Scan Disk prior to install.  Not necessary but it never hurts!

Need more let me know!


*Rolls Eyes*

Been there done that.  Tweaked with variety of drivers and have finally gone back to the Nvidia reference drivers (Yes the latest) and have even completly re-installed XP and disabled all the services that  turns XP workstation into a server. DX9c was the first install. Which Ironically doesn't matter as AH only uses a few DX9 calls anyways, the rest are still 6 or 7.
Running  XP Pro, behind a firewall, yada yada yada.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Estes on September 12, 2004, 12:11:00 PM
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Originally posted by dracon
2Hawks,

Three things!  What Direct X version are you using?  Get version:  9.0c

What Video card and what drivers?

Get Driver Cleaner 3 here: http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/  Follow the simple instructions and reinstall Video drivers then re-install Direct-X

If that doesn't work...Fresh install AH2.  Defrag and Scan Disk prior to install.  Not necessary but it never hurts!

Need more let me know!


He's not computer retarded by any means. He knows all of that.

I've never had anything that major. But, the little map glitches, small bugs etc., makes the game not worth playing anymore for me.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Cobra412 on September 12, 2004, 12:11:52 PM
2Hawks what card are you using?
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: 2Hawks on September 12, 2004, 12:17:24 PM
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Originally posted by Cobra412
2Hawks that is weird that it is doing that to you.  The only time mine does that is if I alt tab and come back in.  Even then though it only takes a second for my system to put all the textures back to normal.

Skull and just how many people are having these same issues?  If they are and haven't reported it then it's their own fault.  Seems like 2Hawks maybe a special case considering I don't think anyone has posted this kind of error before.



It's been posted about. It used to be the textures never came back. So rather than whine about it, we accepted that they came back and that was our "Bug Fix". also, I know it's still beta, so I just try to ignore it. understanding it's going to be fixed someday in the future. I brought it up as a matter of priority, between adding and diddling with ENY, and working on legitimate bugs.. Like those gun sounds from Ack at airfields... Just to drop another one off. HTC knows about it , is it fixed yet?



Dan.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Cobra412 on September 12, 2004, 12:23:47 PM
2Hawks I did have one issue in the past with textures but haven't seen it since.  I had my manifold gauge go bye bye and never come back.  I just flew with it for awhile and next time I started AH it came back but I lost my rpm guage.  A squad mate told me the only way he got his to fix was to reload the textures.  I haven't had any issues since then with textures at all.

I understand there is alot of glitches still but I have yet to encounter any that make the game unplayable or even not fun to play.  I can see how yours would frustrate you to no end with this kind of error.
Title: Re: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: vorticon on September 12, 2004, 12:32:17 PM
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Originally posted by 2Hawks
[B

HTC, if you cater to whiners, you will have whiners for customers, they will never be happy, and may very well drive you to drink.  I will check in on AH to see hows it's changed from time to time. but for now, it's adieu.
Dan. [/B]


ah, so what your saying is he should completly ignore all the anti-eny whines...got it.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: MOIL on September 12, 2004, 12:39:46 PM
"Dracon wrong. at 9 pm edt there is always around 300-320 people online ever since the move to AH2"


WOW 300 people, man that's off the scales.
US population approx 294,252,690 {does not include our foreign friends of course}
Title: Re: Re: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: 2Hawks on September 12, 2004, 12:43:32 PM
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Originally posted by vorticon
ah, so what your saying is he should completly ignore all the anti-eny whines...got it.


*Rolls Eyes* <-- Is this like Bush just sighing on the stage during presidential debates? No Quid Pro Quo Dewd.
Read ALL the posts before you reply.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: B17Skull12 on September 12, 2004, 12:46:02 PM
Originally posted by MOIL
"Dracon wrong. at 9 pm edt there is always around 300-320 people online ever since the move to AH2[/u][/i]"<----


WOW 300 people, man that's off the scales.
US population approx 294,252,690 {does not include our foreign friends of course}
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: MOIL on September 12, 2004, 12:48:10 PM
"Dracon wrong. at 9 pm edt there is always around 300-320 people online ever since the move to AH2"<----



My whole point

Wasn't tryin to confuse
Title: Perhaps Moil...
Post by: 2Hawks on September 12, 2004, 12:52:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MOIL
"Dracon wrong. at 9 pm edt there is always around 300-320 people online ever since the move to AH2"<----



My whole point

Wasn't tryin to confuse


Perhaps you should point out WWII Online has Two Thousand Moil?

Will be in tonight BTW, Was practicing my landings offline last night.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: MOIL on September 12, 2004, 01:42:22 PM
2Hawks:
"Perhaps you should point out WWII Online has Two Thousand Moil?

Will be in tonight BTW, Was practicing my landings offline last night"

Right on!

Yes WWII Online has more people playing at any one given time. BUT  before someone steps in and flames the game for what it does or doesn't do, let me say this. It's no AH or AH2, it is not a "flight sim" it has it's share of issues just like any other MMPOG...Period!!
I am not here to tell anyone to go play WWII Online or any other game. It depends on what you want in a game/sim.

Unfortunately there is just not enough choices when it comes to this genre of games, heck there was a post in here about it. There are a dying  breed, which is a shame IMO. I hate seeing people pack up and leave any game/sim that is already struggling to keep it's numbers and fan base.  One of the main reasons I have always supported HTC, just as all my other posts {well maybe not all, but most} reguarding this game, I call it as I see it. I stated the game and it's community appears to be on a "downward" spirial & is a shame to have this happen to the AH community and most {not all} looked at me like " I was nuts or just whining.  Well, take a look around and tell me again how messed up in the head I am.
 
:(
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Morpheus on September 12, 2004, 02:43:51 PM
Let the man die in peace already.

Dan, your my bud, I dont want to see you leave in the least bit. I've always had fun flying with you.
But if your not having fun your not having fun. AND there is no sense in paying 15 a month to not have fun.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: MOIL on September 12, 2004, 02:47:45 PM
Morph,
what is your avitar?  a turbo ?

Just curious
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Arlo on September 12, 2004, 02:54:07 PM
Modern artist rendition of tits.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: MOIL on September 12, 2004, 02:57:44 PM
Aahhh

{with dazed look on face}
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Gixer on September 12, 2004, 08:08:17 PM
Any spare sim time for me since I left AH before AH2 is devoted to FS9 on Vatsim for a Virtual Airline. And it's the most fun,challange that I've ever had from a flightsim.

The online community is great,people recognise and congragulate you on extra effort and learning curve is long and steep.

At the moment I'm trying to learn the steam gauges of a 742 with it's 400 plus switches and 400 page manual. Alloy of fun, though it's going to be ages before I have the skill to take this online.

Plus the graphics,environment ,flight modeling (payware aircraft) are outstanding.

After some years with AH and trying WW2OL the rinse and repeat of online gameplay gets rather boring. I always thought a sim with no guns would be even more boring, but suprisingly I couldn't of been more wrong. Pulling off a almost nil visibilty landing in adverse weather, or flying online with real ATC and traffic in the patern is more of a challance,rewarding and exciting then the best fights I ever had online.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/davest/742.jpg)


...-Gixer
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: B17Skull12 on September 12, 2004, 08:47:24 PM
yea vatsim is a nice thing to do.:)
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: MOIL on September 12, 2004, 10:20:02 PM
That looks kewl Gixer!

400 plus gauges huh,  wow:eek:

"Now where's that rear side glass de-froster button........hhmmmmm

Have fun
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: airbumba on September 12, 2004, 11:50:54 PM
Take care Hylandr , good luck.
Title: Vatsim?
Post by: 2Hawks on September 13, 2004, 02:13:55 AM
Vatsim?

*Ears Perk up*

Do tell?

Dan.,
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Gixer on September 13, 2004, 09:30:43 AM
Check out http://www.vatsim.com Vatsim is basically online ATC covering most parts of the globe at a very accurate and professional level. Infact takes quite alot of training and experience before they will let you lose as a air traffic controller at the main hubs on vatsim. Plus alot of the ATC guys are real life ATC as well.

When you have good ATC coverage for the area your in it's awsome and really takes Flight sims to a whole new level of enjoyement. However there are alot of times when Vatsim coverage isn't so great or nonexistent which can be frustrating at times.

Just a great amount of fun to be involved with a virtual airline and flying with real ATC. There are all sorts of Virtual Airlines from Bush pilots,to cargo like FedEx and UPS all running accurate routes and timetables same as real life airlines.

Allot to explain and quite a steep learning curve. For me It's the most fun I've had with flight simming and the nearest thing I've experienced to real ATC and environment.



...-Gixer
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: airbumba on September 13, 2004, 09:45:20 AM
Hey gixer all i get when i go there is some kinda search page? Am i in the right place?
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: SELECTOR on September 13, 2004, 12:51:37 PM
im sure we will see you back eventually(i understand your pain)
good luck pilot!:aok
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Kev367th on September 13, 2004, 12:53:52 PM
Gixer check out projectai for a absolute hoard of addon planes and liveries.
Also aiaardvark.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Jenks on September 13, 2004, 05:14:34 PM
Sorry to see you go Dan. Specially since I was just today browsing the forum and discovered you're from Medford also.  I was looking forward to seeing you in the MA. Then I come across this thread, and you anounce you're leaving. Oh well, good luck to you, and if you check back and see me on , give a holler.

Jenks
Title: No kidding?
Post by: 2Hawks on September 13, 2004, 06:00:41 PM
No Kidding? Medford Huh?

You fly out of the Cyber-Center by the Airport?
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Jenks on September 13, 2004, 06:28:57 PM
Don't anything about a cyber center. By the airport ,huh? No just try get a kill now and then from my little computer at home :)
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Morpheus on September 13, 2004, 06:36:39 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MOIL
Morph,
what is your avitar?  a turbo ?

Just curious


yep.
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Gixer on September 13, 2004, 07:10:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SELECTOR
im sure we will see you back eventually(i understand your pain)
good luck pilot!:aok


Not so sure about that, by the time I feel like shooting stuff again this will of been released. :D

(http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/devupdate/030904/KI46vsP38_1.jpg)


...-Gixer
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: MOIL on September 13, 2004, 08:57:26 PM
Nice!
Title: It's beautiful...
Post by: 2Hawks on September 13, 2004, 09:48:16 PM
But what the heck is it?
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Swager on September 13, 2004, 10:43:57 PM
Bye
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Gixer on September 13, 2004, 10:46:12 PM
Pacific Fighters, can't wait! :-)

(http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/270804/rocket_attack3.jpg)



...-Gixer
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: -tronski- on September 14, 2004, 02:22:43 AM
what kind of rig would you need to run Pacfighters Gix?

 Tronsky
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Gixer on September 14, 2004, 02:27:10 AM
Average system and a decent graphics card. Unlike AH it's more balanced so if you have a good balanced system, CPU,Mobo,Ram,Graphics Card will run fine. Especially with a card like the ATI 9800 Pro or new 800's.



...-Gixer
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Redd on September 14, 2004, 02:46:58 AM
hey Gixer

Can't help but notice you pop back in every now and then , mainly to bag AH2.

Did you have a really bad experience here ? Are you bitter about something.    Is it because the Kiwi's haven't won a Test  since Sir Richard retired ?   ;)

I had  a lot of fun in WB for a number of years , but when I left I left , I don't go back there to bag them all the time  - and tell everyone what a great sim AH is.  I don't think it's very antipodean thing to do.

Anyway I just noticed and was curious ...
Title: What AH did what others didn't...
Post by: 2Hawks on September 14, 2004, 09:46:42 AM
I had become disatisfied with AH before, and always came back because of all the planes I could fly whenever I wanted.

Sure there were other games out that were prettier, but all had an AI to fly against, or had some other annoying limitation. Then there is the comradarie generated by the chat on ch1 and vox. ch1 went away, and local vox goes out more often than not anymore.

When these options were eliminated it ceased to be one of a kind, and became a very poor imitation of other more superioir products.

I feel the best advice for HTC here, would be to keep doing whats been working for several years, keep doing his own thing. Its apparent;y worked. But when you start trying to copy others, or break outside that initial mold, you just become a pale imitation not worth a nickle every month.  I was attracted by the nature AH of being a one of a kind combat SIM, not a combat GAME. For a GAME I will pay for things such as WWII Online. for a SIM with a ful stable of craft  I will fly Aces High. -- but it doesn't seem to be a SIM anymore. Just a really poor GAME compared to other Games.

But thats just my opinion. I flew WWII Online last night. Depite possibly innacurate flight modeling, it's some of the most realistic behaviour I have seen outside of flightsim 2004.

It's been fun gents.  HTC would have to pull off a miracle for me to have an interest in coming back.  In the meantime, I have taken my bag of marbles over to WWII Online.

Skuzzy, I will call in a couple of days to settle up my TBlayde account.

{Salute}

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Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: RacrX on September 14, 2004, 09:52:40 AM
Bye and goodluck! :aok
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Gixer on September 14, 2004, 10:16:12 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Redd
hey Gixer

Can't help but notice you pop back in every now and then , mainly to bag AH2.

Did you have a really bad experience here ? Are you bitter about something.    Is it because the Kiwi's haven't won a Test  since Sir Richard retired ?   ;)

I had  a lot of fun in WB for a number of years , but when I left I left , I don't go back there to bag them all the time  - and tell everyone what a great sim AH is.  I don't think it's very antipodean thing to do.

Anyway I just noticed and was curious ...



Not bitter, impossible to be bitter over just a game. Just dissapointed. Dissapointed in AH2 from the very first beta's and just as dissapointed today. For $15 a month is a pretty hefty premium and imho it's not worth it, hence I'm no longer online.

But if they ever make some improvements I'll look it at again. Though I'm not holding my breath as AH2 was suppose to be "new" to me it still looks and plays like AH1. The same poor looking terrain and maps after 3 years gets rather old.


...-Gixer
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: moot on September 14, 2004, 11:24:27 AM
vatsim? sky accounting??
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: SirLoin on September 14, 2004, 11:30:46 AM
Wow..That was a nice write.

Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: TBolt A-10 on September 16, 2004, 12:06:09 PM
Gix,
FS9?  (I'm not totally familiar with offline sims.)

And, that vatsim.com site is just a search engine.  Did you intend to link to some other site?


I'd like to see more about what you're describing.  But, no...I'm not quitting on HT, yet.  This ENY cr@p has to blow over at some point.  (hoping)
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Gixer on September 16, 2004, 01:09:14 PM
TBolt,

I have to get going to work, but when I finish I'll post a detailed reply on FS9 and Vatsim. Probably open a new thread as it's rather hidden in here.

FS9 and VATSIM won't necessary replace AH for you but it does make a excellent break from furballing.



...-Gixer
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: TBolt A-10 on September 16, 2004, 01:42:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Gixer
TBolt,

I have to get going to work, but when I finish I'll post a detailed reply on FS9 and Vatsim. Probably open a new thread as it's rather hidden in here.

FS9 and VATSIM won't necessary replace AH for you but it does make a excellent break from furballing.



...-Gixer


cc.  or, you can email me at tbolt@onpoi.net

thanks, gix!
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: 2Hawks on September 16, 2004, 03:35:39 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Gixer
TBolt,

I have to get going to work, but when I finish I'll post a detailed reply on FS9 and Vatsim. Probably open a new thread as it's rather hidden in here.

FS9 and VATSIM won't necessary replace AH for you but it does make a excellent break from furballing.



...-Gixer


Hey, cc me on that too?

vorgand@yahoo.com

Not likely HT will like such a post on his system... :)
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Arlo on September 16, 2004, 03:41:12 PM
I hate long goodbyes. :lol

j/k ... have fun wherever you go. And no need for last posts, anyhoo. Come back and visit us from time to time. ;)
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: crims on September 16, 2004, 06:25:48 PM
2hawks Sorry to see ya go.

ENY is not the Answer IMHO.



Crims
479th Raiders
Title: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
Post by: Gixer on September 17, 2004, 02:43:40 AM
TBOLT,2Hawks emails sent. Also message up in the O Club.


...-Gixer