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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mechanic on September 11, 2004, 03:16:34 PM
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i appreciate your flack skills are great.
you shoot down more planes than anyone else in a flack.
but it sucks that there is no way to kill you, as you always park on a runway and hit the tower when a bomb is dropped on you.
doesnt it get a bit boring?
this isnt a flame, i like zazen, just wondering what fun there is in never being able to die.
if someone kills me, i tend to come looking for revenge, with you there is no point, it does kinda suck.
anyhow, keep having fun :)
batfink
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Originally posted by mechanic
i appreciate your flack skills are great.
you shoot down more planes than anyone else in a flack.
but it sucks that there is no way to kill you, as you always park on a runway and hit the tower when a bomb is dropped on you.
doesnt it get a bit boring?
this isnt a flame, i like zazen, just wondering what fun there is in never being able to die.
if someone kills me, i tend to come looking for revenge, with you there is no point, it does kinda suck.
anyhow, keep having fun :)
batfink
I die alot in Ostwind, check my stats, the vast majority of my deaths EVERY camp are in the Ostwind. I'm not infallable contrary to popular myth. As cooley noted near the end of last camp he had 3 kills on me in Ostwind to my 1 kill of him. I die alot to carpet bombers especially as it is hard to tell where the eggs are going to fall. I do not find it boring at all, I can single-handedly prevent a Rook base from being vulched and/or porked by a far superior number of enemy. That is a very rewarding feeling.
In AH it is rare indeed that a single individual can have such a great impact upon so many enemy, especially now that HQ is harder. ;) I agree that if there were alot of people that could even come close to reproducing my results in the Ostwind it would perhaps be detrimental to overall gameplay. But, the fact remains I have a singular talent that so far as I know has no peer. This is spite of the fact that I have made all of my techniques, hints and tricks public domain on this very forum.:D
I'm sure if enough of you piss and moan to HiTech about me, he will perk me or find some other way to prevent me from having such an 'un-balancing' effect on the MA.:rolleyes:
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
the vast majority of my deaths EVERY camp are in the Ostwind.
Confession is good for the soul. :aok
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lol
fair enough.
guess im just mad at losing 3-4 kill sorties to you more than once and none of them from being a vulcher, and more importantly, not being able to get you back.
seems the first time you hit me from 1.6k
and the second was 2.0k!
great shooting
bastage
:rofl
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Originally posted by mechanic
lol
fair enough.
guess im just mad at losing 3-4 kill sorties to you more than once and none of them from being a vulcher, and more importantly, not being able to get you back.
seems the first time you hit me from 1.6k
and the second was 2.0k!
great shooting
bastage
:rofl
Yea, my brain is an aiming computer. I play pool semi-professionally. The angles of deflection in pool are mentally the exact same as in gunnery. I find that the more I play AH the better my pool game Conversely, the more pool I play the better my gunnery in AH. I think I just owe my uncanny aim to a highly developed sense of deflection. Interestingly, this was the case in WW1 & WW2. The best fighter pilots were those from rural areas that hunted fast moving prey growing up, they had superior gunnery. These people also had a highly developed sense of deflection.
Zazen
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hell, i think my shooting is pretty good too. infact i know it is. been shooting this and that since i was knee high to a grasshopper.
just stop killing me ok?
thanks.
:)
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Originally posted by mechanic
hell, i think my shooting is pretty good too. infact i know it is. been shooting this and that since i was knee high to a grasshopper.
just stop killing me ok?
thanks.
:)
I'll stop killing you the exact same instant you refrain from vulching, semi-vulching and porking Rook bases. Agreed? ;)
Zazen
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hahaha
so engaging in a low alt dogfight around an enemy base is considered vulching?
madness.
as i said, i was not vulching either time you got me today.
i wasnt even in range of the base ack :)
only in range of the zaz-ack.
i feel no pleasure from vulching and will only do so when there are no other planes to kill in the sector
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Originally posted by mechanic
hahaha
so engaging in a low alt dogfight around an enemy base is considered vulching?
madness.
as i said, i was not vulching either time you got me today.
i wasnt even in range of the base ack :)
only in range of the zaz-ack.
i feel no pleasure from vulching and will only do so when there are no other planes to kill in the sector
Coming from a base to an enemy base to prey upon cons that have just taken off is the definition of 'semi-vulching'. Yes they have their wheels up, but you are guarenteed to have a vastly superior E state. If you want to do that without eating my 37mm you'd best drag them at least 3k from the field. ;)
Zazen
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but it sucks that there is no way to kill you, as you always park on a runway and hit the tower when a bomb is dropped on you.
doesnt it get a bit boring?
LOL BF.
This is like asking someone.
Why do you have to move out of the way when im about to hit you with a speeding truck?
Ummm. If you see a bomb, hear a bomb, its bound to be a bomb, which can only tell you one thing. Its probably going to kill me if I stay here.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Confession is good for the soul. :aok
Of course the vast majority of his deaths will be in an Ostie, it's what he's in most of the time anyway.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Of course the vast majority of his deaths will be in an Ostie, it's what he's in most of the time anyway.
ack-ack
That is untrue. I always make an effort to keep my time in Fighter roughly equal to my time in the Ostwind by camp's end. Last camp for example I spent 33 Hours in a fighter compared to 30 hours in an Ostwind. I had 42 deaths in that 30 hours in the Ostwind, compared to 9 deaths total in 33 hours in a fighter.
Zazen
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That and you make sure you keep your time posting on the bbs below the time you spend in an Ostie, too. For that you will get the respect you deserve. :aok
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Originally posted by Arlo
That and you make sure you keep your time posting on the bbs below the time you spend in an Ostie, too. For that you will get the respect you deserve. :aok
I only post because I care! :aok
Zazen
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I only post because I don't. :D
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Originally posted by Zazen13
That is untrue. I always make an effort to keep my time in Fighter roughly equal to my time in the Ostwind by camp's end. Last camp for example I spent 33 Hours in a fighter compared to 30 hours in an Ostwind. I had 42 deaths in that 30 hours in the Ostwind, compared to 9 deaths total in 33 hours in a fighter.
Zazen
Yea, and he got 19 kills in the 33 hours in a fighter too! It is a lot tougher for poor under-rated Zazen having to compete with 6, or even 8, friendlies for every kill he gets. Everyone make sure to tell him how great you know he is so he doesn't feel unappreciated and do something stupid like throw himself off a bridge or something.
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Originally posted by Arlo
I only post because I don't. :D
We know, it's kind of obvious by the substance or lack thereof of your posts....;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
We know, it's kind of obvious by the substance or lack thereof of your posts....;)
Zazen
What a shame that yours pretty much run the same, given the deep passion you feel making them. :aok
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Originally posted by mechanic
but it sucks that there is no way to kill you, as you always park on a runway and hit the tower when a bomb is dropped on you.
doesnt it get a bit boring?
batfink
Wow! Maybe HTC could make GV's that end a mission just before a bomb hits take a death and award the kill to the bomber. That's pretty gamey and goofy in my opinion.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Wow! Maybe HTC could make GV's that end a mission just before a bomb hits take a death and award the kill to the bomber. That's pretty gamey and goofy in my opinion.
No ... you may be onto something there, budro. Make ending missions take time. The canopy slides open or the hatch creaks open while the pilot or driver climbs out of the rig then hits the ground and runs like hell for the cold beer in the o club. Heh.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Wow! Maybe HTC could make GV's that end a mission just before a bomb hits take a death and award the kill to the bomber. That's pretty gamey and goofy in my opinion.
exactly
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Originally posted by NUKE
Wow! Maybe HTC could make GV's that end a mission just before a bomb hits take a death and award the kill to the bomber. That's pretty gamey and goofy in my opinion.
That's a good idea, wouldn't bother me a bit. Obviously, being able to instantly vanish without any negative repurcussions is not realistic be it in a vehicle or plane (vulcher teasers in fighter or buff that appear at a spawnpoint then disappear before actually getting vulched). I would rather the game become more realistic as a whole, even in this regard. The only reason I do this is because it's stupid not to. The fact remains I would still be as dominating in an Ostwind, the only difference is I would die more often. Generally speaking, the VH is down when I exit, so I am usually not afforded the opportunity to re-up in an Ostwind after exiting anyways.
Zazen
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if thats not gaming the game ....
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Originally posted by Zazen13
That's a good idea, wouldn't bother me a bit. Obviously, being able to instantly vanish without any negative repurcussions is not realistic be it in a vehicle or plane (vulcher teasers in fighter or buff that appear at a spawnpoint then disappear before actually getting vulched). I would rather the game become more realistic as a whole, even in this regard. The only reason I do this is because it's stupid not to. The fact remains I would still be as dominating in an Ostwind, the only difference is I would die more often. Generally speaking, the VH is down when I exit anyways so I am usually not afforded the opportunity to re-up in an Ostwind after exiting anyways.
Zazen
Better watch out, slick. Your post concurs with my lack of substance. :D
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And yes. Mechanic SHOULD stop vulching semis dammit! :lol
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Originally posted by Arlo
Better watch out, slick. Your post concurs with my lack of substance. :D
We agree occasionally, it's happened before. Proof even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
That is untrue. I always make an effort to keep my time in Fighter roughly equal to my time in the Ostwind by camp's end. Last camp for example I spent 33 Hours in a fighter compared to 30 hours in an Ostwind. I had 42 deaths in that 30 hours in the Ostwind, compared to 9 deaths total in 33 hours in a fighter.
Zazen
Hmmm...201 sorties in an Ostwind or gun emplacement and 83 Fighter/Attack sorties....
At least one thing does come across and that is you're obviously better in a GV than you are in a plane.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Zazen13
We agree occasionally, it's happened before. Proof even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. ;)
Zazen
Good for you, Rocky! :D
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Hmmm...201 sorties in an Ostwind or gun emplacement and 83 Fighter/Attack sorties....
At least one thing does come across and that is you're obviously better in a GV than you are in a plane.
ack-ack
Most of my Ostwind sorties last no more than 5 minutes. There's no alting, flying to the fight, engaging, re-alting, and rtb'ing in an Ostwind. You sit there, shoot down all the vulcher wannabe's then end mission, real simple. It's easier for me to be better in an Ostwind, I get free home delivery! In a fighter I have to go hunt my food.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
That's a good idea, wouldn't bother me a bit. Obviously, being able to instantly vanish without any negative repurcussions is not realistic be it in a vehicle or plane (vulcher teasers in fighter or buff that appear at a spawnpoint then disappear before actually getting vulched). I would rather the game become more realistic as a whole, even in this regard. The only reason I do this is because it's stupid not to. The fact remains I would still be as dominating in an Ostwind, the only difference is I would die more often. Generally speaking, the VH is down when I exit, so I am usually not afforded the opportunity to re-up in an Ostwind after exiting anyways.
Zazen
no. the main difference is not that you would die more often. it is that i/we would more often get the kills we deserve for bombing you.
but, no matter.
and as to shooting down planes that are low and slow...
what do you want me to do? let them gain an advantage over me then fight?
they could always up at the next base back and come in at 20k if they chose too.
my main frustration is not being able to avenge my deaths by upping a hog and bombing you to hell
;)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Most of my Ostwind sorties last no more than 5 minutes. There's no alting, flying to the fight, engaging, re-alting, and rtb'ing in an Ostwind. You sit there, shoot down all the vulcher wannabe's then end mission, real simple.
Zazen
Obviously not flying rook on Sunday. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Obviously not flying rook on Sunday. ;)
I practically don't play on Sundays, nothing to kill as a Rook. Most of the Knights and Bishops make it a point not to play Sundays.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I practically don't play on Sundays, nothing to kill as a Rook. Most of the Knights and Bishops make it a point not to play Sundays.
Zazen
But you could switch to knights or rooks and get tons of ostie kills, man! Oh well .....
:)
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Dang, Zazen!
I just checked your stats.
I salute you sir!
We'd make a great team.
Keep up the good work!
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Originally posted by Arlo
But you could switch to knights or rooks and get tons of ostie kills, man! Oh well .....
:)
I am a Rook. Sometimes I do fly for Knights with my wife's account on Sundays, but I will only fight Bishops.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Blooz
Dang, Zazen!
I just checked your stats.
I salute you sir!
We'd make a great team.
Keep up the good work!
Ty, Blooz. I don't just talk the talk, I walk the walk. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Arlo
But you could switch to knights or rooks and get tons of ostie kills, man! Oh well .....
:)
According to him, he won't switch to Knights because I'm there. I've never been thanked by my fellow Knights as much as I was that night.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
According to him, he won't switch to Knights because I'm there. I've never been thanked by my fellow Knights as much as I was that night.
ack-ack
Yup, that's true, I will not help Knights while AKAK is online. It would be catastrophic, like mixing matter and anti-matter together. Not good...;) The mere thought of my prescence even indirectly helping AKAK makes me violently ill.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Urchin
Everyone make sure to tell him how great you know he is so he doesn't feel unappreciated and do something stupid like throw himself off a bridge or something.
Hehe, sorry, just found this comment ironic sitting in the middle of a thread entitled "Zazen", aimed primarily as a personal attack on his flying style. This whole thread is O'Club material at best, and probably should be locked. Good thing it's the weekend ;).
Cya Up!
Dawg
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Who says weekends were made for Michelob, eh?
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Hehe, we outta start a bunch of flamers on Friday evening, and see how big the bonfire gets by Monday morning :).
Cya Up!
Dawg
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Arlo... you need a girl friend, or something to get your bleached white arse out of the house! Slowly step away form the computer... NOW! DO IT!!!
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Originally posted by Dawggus
Hehe, sorry, just found this comment ironic sitting in the middle of a thread entitled "Zazen", aimed primarily as a personal attack on his flying style. This whole thread is O'Club material at best, and probably should be locked. Good thing it's the weekend ;).
Cya Up!
Dawg
Welcome to my world Dawg, jump in, the water's warm. This is the price I pay for being (In)famous. All I am really concerned with is having fun while enjoying my $15 dollars worth of high quality entertainment with my friends. But, because I happen to also be incredibly successfull at what I choose to do I have to put up with a lot of crying, belly-aching and general pissin' and moanin' about how I fly. If people spent even a fraction of the time improving their own 'game' as they did complaining about mine maybe they'd enjoy similiar success.:rolleyes:
Zazen
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Originally posted by VWE
Arlo... you need a girl friend, or something to get your bleached white arse out of the house! Slowly step away form the computer... NOW! DO IT!!!
Listen, Matt Foley .... I can do anything I want on my day off! The other window has porn, dammit! And look! She's by a van .... by the river!
Ahem .....
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I been around Zazen since the AW days.I've flown AH since Beta,off and on.I have only the highest respect for his ability in fighters,and Osti's.He simply gets it down.He took his lumps when he first started AH,but he has became on of the better players,and because he's a high ranking player,and not bashful about saying so,he catches a lot of flack from others.Fellows,I gotta tell you,you aren't gonna one up Zazen,as without meeting him in person,I'd be willing to bet he excels at everything he takes a notion to get involved with.I find myself amazed with how proficient he is in Osti.I can't get many kills in one,and I work at it.Even after his post on Osti techniques,I still only get a hit very rarely.In a fighter Zaz does it the way it was done in real life,they seldom know what hit them.OK flame away,but I feel someone should speak up for Zazen.He contributes many helpful things to the community,and his post are always very interesting.
IronDog
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Welcome to my world Dawg, jump in, the water's warm. This is the price I pay for being (In)famous. All I am really concerned with is having fun while enjoying my $15 dollars worth of high quality entertainment with my friends. But, because I happen to also be incredibly successfull at what I choose to do I have to put up with a lot of crying, belly-aching and general pissin' and moanin' about how I fly. If people spent even a fraction of the time improving their own 'game' as they did complaining about mine maybe they'd enjoy similiar success.:rolleyes:
Zazen
Man, I sure hope you kick that low self-esteem problem soon
Zazen :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by IronDog
I been around Zazen since the AW days.I've flown AH since Beta,off and on.I have only the highest respect for his ability in fighters,and Osti's.He simply gets it down.He took his lumps when he first started AH,but he has became on of the better players,and because he's a high ranking player,and not bashful about saying so,he catches a lot of flack from others.Fellows,I gotta tell you,you aren't gonna one up Zazen,as without meeting him in person,I'd be willing to bet he excels at everything he takes a notion to get involved with.I find myself amazed with how proficient he is in Osti.I can't get many kills in one,and I work at it.Even after his post on Osti techniques,I still only get a hit very rarely.In a fighter Zaz does it the way it was done in real life,they seldom know what hit them.OK flame away,but I feel someone should speak up for Zazen.He contributes many helpful things to the community,and his post are always very interesting.
IronDog
Thank-you very much Irondog. I appreciate your vote of support. Something about human nature makes people look for someone they can 'love to hate' for whatever reason. I don't mind filling that role for folks if they find it necessary, but it is nice to know at least a few people are in my corner from time-to-time.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Rino
Man, I sure hope you kick that low self-esteem problem soon
Zazen :rolleyes:
False-modesty has never been one of my character flaws. ;)
Zazen
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Great job in the GV dept Zazen. If we ever move back to AH we'd love to have ya gun with us.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Yea, and he got 19 kills in the 33 hours in a fighter too! It is a lot tougher for poor under-rated Zazen having to compete with 6, or even 8, friendlies for every kill he gets. Everyone make sure to tell him how great you know he is so he doesn't feel unappreciated and do something stupid like throw himself off a bridge or something.
Urchin, you've reduced yourself to posting pure fiction now? Sad, very sad, for some reason I thought you were a better person than that, I guess you're just an AK-AK clone after all. :rolleyes:
Just for the record I scored 175 kills in fighter in that time period ranking 20th in fighter and 21st in attack in the process last camp.
Zazen
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Originally posted by MOIL
Great job in the GV dept Zazen. If we ever move back to AH we'd love to have ya gun with us.
Thank-you MOIL. I'm not sure that would be a good idea though, the whines from the Urchin's, AK-AKs and Arlo's of the community would be a deafening roar. ;) HiTech would undoubtedly have no other viable recourse but to remove Ostwinds from the game entirely to appease this very vocal minority and assuage their poor, bruised egos.
Zazen
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Hahahahaha
Were used to it:eek:
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Thank-you MOIL. I'm not sure that would be a good idea though, the whines from the Urchin's, AK-AKs and Arlo's of the community would be a deafening roar. ;) HiTech would undoubtedly have no other viable recourse but to remove Ostwinds from the game entirely to appease this very vocal minority and assuage their poor, bruised egos.
Zazen
After reading how fast you were to correct your number of fighter kills and ranking in the ma, I think you're confused about who does and doesn't have a fragile ego, here, partner. Sure seemed really important to ya. ;)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Ty, Blooz. I don't just talk the talk, I walk the walk. ;)
Zazen
You also don't just talk about hitting the tower button, you hit the tower button.
That certainly doesn't make you great.
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Originally posted by Arlo
After reading how fast you were to correct your number of fighter kills and ranking in the ma, I think you're confused about who does and doesn't have a fragile ego, here, partner. Sure seemed really important to ya. ;)
Nah, I just don't abide by erroneous information. If someone is going to go out of their way to incorrectly quote my stats, they will be corrected. It has nothing to do with the importance of my rank and everything to do with maintaining the integrity of these forums and the posts contained herein. I will not tolerate pure fiction being pandered about these forums in my name in whatever form it takes. I'm an advocate of using people's statistics to illustrate points, but I have the integrity to post the correct information and not misrepresent data to fascilitate my side of an argument. It's unfortunate that some individuals lack that integrity.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Drunky
You also don't just talk about hitting the tower button, you hit the tower button.
That certainly doesn't make you great.
Hitting the tower button or not makes no difference whatsoever as far as my ability in the Ostwind is concerned. I am just as deadly at shooting people down whether I exit to avoid an unnecessary death occassionally or not. Furthermore, I only need to exit to avoid death perhaps one out of ten sorties on average.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Nah, I just don't abide by erroneous information. If someone is going to go out of their way to incorrectly quote my stats, they will be corrected. It has nothing to do with the importance of my rank and everything to do with maintaining the integrity of these forums and the posts contained herein. I will not tolerate pure fiction being pandered about these forums in my name in whatever form it takes. I'm an advocate of using people's statistics to illustrate points, but I have the integrity to post the correct information and not misrepresent data to fascilitate my side of an argument. It's unfortunate that some individuals lack that integrity.
Zazen
I could almost believe this was a rational post .... if I hadn't seen evidence otherwise. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
I could almost believe this was a rational post .... if I hadn't seen evidence otherwise. ;)
Show me, where ?!? When have I intentionally posted inaccurate data?!? I want to see the quote right here, right now, otherwise you are completely FoS.
Zazen
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When you made a hissy over how little I flew in the MA as compared to you and how many kills I do or don't get there as compared to you did you forget how to check stats for the CT? Wasn't that kinda a misrepresentation? Uhhhh .... uhhhh ....
Yeah ... thought so. But, yaknow .... it didn't bother me enough to rush and correct you now, did it?
Tell me more about how everyone's ego but yours is fragile, scooter. ;)
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I just wanna know if you have autographed photos for sale.
Continue with whatever.
I just think it would be more efficient just to come out and say "Jeez I am good" "Don't you wish you could be as good as I am. ??"
Your fatal flaw is everyone sees through your "posts"
accept you.
Much to the amusement of the gathered group.
But you go !! Your my hero :D
Not for flying skills mind you. Everyone knows who's good and who's a wannabe. Your not on the list.
Your my hero for self promotion, misdirected as it is.
A perfect example of self importance syndrome. Some times called "Gods gift disease"
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Careful now Nopoop.. we don't want to shatter that fragile shell of self-esteem. He must have been a real "outcast" in his childhood, if he's still trying to make up for it now.
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2 cents here on original posts.
The aren't any invincable osti's - just need 2 planes attacking from different direction. All osti's will blow up nicely. Don't be the only target the osti is shooting at - it increases your chances of getting hit - alot.
As far as osti deflection like in pool? you shoot at moving targets in pool? you deal with wind speed and rounds arcing in pool? you can get an osti to bounce a round off of some thing to hit a plane? you can get some english on an osti round?
The similarites escape me - but then again that's probably because there aren't any.
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Zazen, I sure was on the same page w/ you when you were a D pony pilot. Watched you improve and enjoyed your enthusiasm for the bird. Felt you had potential to really shine in it.
Then this Gv thing.... to each his own but ending a mission when a bomb is descending upon you isn't smart. Ending it at that point is gamey to the point of being ghey.
If someone is about to drop a bomb on you, it means they got the egg off before you could kill them and they deserve the kill.
Ending mission under these circumstances isn't smart Zazen, it's poor sportmanship.
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Originally posted by Arlo
When you made a hissy over how little I flew in the MA as compared to you and how many kills I do or don't get there as compared to you did you forget how to check stats for the CT? Wasn't that kinda a misrepresentation? Uhhhh .... uhhhh ....
Yeah ... thought so. But, yaknow .... it didn't bother me enough to rush and correct you now, did it?
Tell me more about how everyone's ego but yours is fragile, scooter. ;)
I have never made any reference to the CT in any way, shape or form. As far as I am concerned it does not exist. All of my discussions are in the context of the MA only. You implying my not including whatever you do in the CT as part of my discussion is taking the whole thread out of context. Noone else but you is discussing the CT. This entire thread was started by someone talking about the MA and what I do in it. Not about whatever you do in the CT, it's entirely immaterial for the purpose of this discussion and not an omission of any kind on my part.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Urchin
Careful now Nopoop.. we don't want to shatter that fragile shell of self-esteem. He must have been a real "outcast" in his childhood, if he's still trying to make up for it now.
My self-esteem is anything BUT fragile. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Ratnick
2 cents here on original posts.
The aren't any invincable osti's - just need 2 planes attacking from different direction. All osti's will blow up nicely. Don't be the only target the osti is shooting at - it increases your chances of getting hit - alot.
As far as osti deflection like in pool? you shoot at moving targets in pool? you deal with wind speed and rounds arcing in pool? you can get an osti to bounce a round off of some thing to hit a plane? you can get some english on an osti round?
The similarites escape me - but then again that's probably because there aren't any.
Totally wrong, you obviously don't understand the subtlety of the physics in pool. Ever heard of squirt? Heard of throw? Heard of tangent lines? How about masse? Arcing trajectories and angles of deflection are EXACTLY what pool is all about. Before you open your pie hole have a clue wtf you're talking about please, otherwise you're just wasting everyone's valuable time.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Steve
Zazen, I sure was on the same page w/ you when you were a D pony pilot. Watched you improve and enjoyed your enthusiasm for the bird. Felt you had potential to really shine in it.
Then this Gv thing.... to each his own but ending a mission when a bomb is descending upon you isn't smart. Ending it at that point is gamey to the point of being ghey.
If someone is about to drop a bomb on you, it means they got the egg off before you could kill them and they deserve the kill.
Ending mission under these circumstances isn't smart Zazen, it's poor sportmanship.
Sportsmanship almost as poor as the same person vulching my teammates as they appear as if by magic at a predictable place totally defenseless?
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I have never made any reference to the CT in any way, shape or form. As far as I am concerned it does not exist. All of my discussions are in the context of the MA only. You implying my not including whatever you do in the CT as part of my discussion is taking the whole thread out of context. Noone else but you is discussing the CT. This entire thread was started by someone talking about the MA and what I do in it. Not about whatever you do in the CT, it's entirely immaterial for the purpose of this discussion and not an omission of any kind on my part.
Zazen
Is this supposed to mean that you've never used a player's stats to attack their character or to try to vainly prove a point and you feel that you deserve the same, somehow? Or are you backpedaling up the offramp vainly looking for a better sideroad? :D
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Totally wrong, you obviously don't understand the subtlety of the physics in pool. Ever heard of squirt? Heard of throw? Heard of tangent lines? How about masse? Arcing trajectories and angles of deflection are EXACTLY what pool is all about. Before you open your pie hole have a clue wtf you're talking about please, otherwise you're just wasting everyone's valuable time.
Zazen
Watch out ... now you've got him feeling threatened about his billiards expertise. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Is this supposed to mean that you've never used a player's stats to attack their character or to try to vainly prove a point and you feel that you deserve the same, somehow? Or are you backpedaling up the offramp vainly looking for a better sideroad? :D
I'm not sure what you mean by this. But, I often use someone's stats to call them on some BS they are trying to float, if they espouse something that their performance fails to corroborate statistically, then yes, they are going to have to answer for that. What I don't do is totally fabricate some ficticious numbers I pulled out of my bellybutton that are not in actual fact their statistics and therefore are not in any way an indicator of their performance, as Urchin did, to lamely try to pervail in making some obscure point.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Arlo
Watch out ... now you've got him feeling threatened about his billiards expertise. :D
Not really, I just take exception to people who talk about things they obviously know absolutely nothing about. Disinformation by the ignorant is not only a waste of time it is also potentially dangerous to the unaware and naive.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I'm not sure what you mean by this. But, I often use someone's stats to call them on some BS they are trying to float, if they espouse something that their performance fails to corroborate statistically, then yes, they are going to have to answer for that.
What stats should I pull up to call you on THIS bit of BSing then? Because the problem you apparently had with me when you resorted to that tactic was my expressed opinion that ENY whining is just an excuse to beech. Try as I might, I can't find the stats that either corraborate or disprove what either of us are discussing in that regard. :lol
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Not really, I just take exception to people who talk about things they obviously know absolutely nothing about. Disinformation by the ignorant is not only a waste of time it is also potentially dangerous to the unaware and naive.
Zazen
Heaven forbid some unsuspecting AH player's skill at pool suffer from yours being dissed here on the forum. :)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Heaven forbid some unsuspecting AH player's skill at pool suffer from yours being dissed here on the forum. :)
Tell me about it! :eek: If you want to play for some high stakes just let me know. I usually start race to 9, 9 Ball for $1,000.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Arlo
What stats should I pull up to call you on THIS bit of BSing then? Because the problem you apparently had with me when you resorted to that tactic was my expressed opinion that ENY whining is just an excuse to beech. Try as I might, I can't find the stats that either corraborate or disprove what either of us are discussing in that regard. :lol
I have no problem with you per se, other than you post without really saying anything or making a point just for the sake of being argumentative, but hey, whatever floats your boat. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I have no problem with you per se, other than you post without really saying anything or making a point just for the sake of being argumentative, but hey, whatever floats your boat. ;)
Zazen
Well I could try my hand at "community analysis and tactical theory" that's really more about seeking attention and praise. Maybe I could compare my skill at flying a goon to my amazing ability to slide into homeplate during a softball game. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Well I could try my hand at "community analysis and tactical theory" that's really more about seeking attention and praise. Maybe I could compare my skill at flying a goon to my amazing ability to slide into homeplate during a softball game. :D
Well, judging by your performance in AH you definately need to seriously consider another hobby. ;) Maybe needle-point or pottery?
Zazen
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NT
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Well, judging by your performance in AH you definately need to seriously consider another hobby. ;) Maybe needle-point or pottery?
Well hell, ma'am. I'm enjoyin' the game just fine and I've fought plenty a foe that seems to think my performance doesn't rate that at all. But that's neither here nor there when it comes to you trying to change the subject everytime I laugh at you for gettin' your skirt all bunched up HERE. ;)
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Sportsmanship almost as poor as the same person vulching my teammates as they appear as if by magic at a predictable place totally defenseless?
If you see these two scenarios as the same, then there is no point in discussing this with you, you are unreachable.
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Zazen;
a question for you sir. when in the ostie do you use tracers?
JT
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I die alot in Ostwind, check my stats, the vast majority of my deaths EVERY camp are in the Ostwind. I'm not infallable contrary to popular myth. As cooley noted near the end of last camp he had 3 kills on me in Ostwind to my 1 kill of him. I die alot to carpet bombers especially as it is hard to tell where the eggs are going to fall. I do not find it boring at all, I can single-handedly prevent a Rook base from being vulched and/or porked by a far superior number of enemy. That is a very rewarding feeling.
In AH it is rare indeed that a single individual can have such a great impact upon so many enemy, especially now that HQ is harder. ;) I agree that if there were alot of people that could even come close to reproducing my results in the Ostwind it would perhaps be detrimental to overall gameplay. But, the fact remains I have a singular talent that so far as I know has no peer. This is spite of the fact that I have made all of my techniques, hints and tricks public domain on this very forum.:D
I'm sure if enough of you piss and moan to HiTech about me, he will perk me or find some other way to prevent me from having such an 'un-balancing' effect on the MA.:rolleyes:
Zazen
My kid used to be the same on Xbox he could just sit there for hours doing something that seemed to us to be mind numbingly boring, fortunately sometime around his 11th birthday he just gave it up, he just said - Dad that gets really boring after a a few minutes.- it's just the same thing over and over, that little thing zooms past , and I shoot at it.
So now he is learning to surf and play golf and stuff.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Tell me about it! :eek: If you want to play for some high stakes just let me know. I usually start race to 9, 9 Ball for $1,000.
Zazen
once seen a guy clear a table and raked in $5000.
using his weak hand (left hand, he is righthanded) , only one hand, and a broom from corner of the
pool hall for a cuestick.
other guy never got a chance to shoot.
just something you reminded me of, thought I'd share it.
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And to think all this BS could have been avoided if Mechanic would just use friggin ROCKETS instead of BOMBS.....then Zazen wouldnt hear them coming.
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Originally posted by Fauxbra
And to think all this BS could have been avoided if Mechanic would just use friggin ROCKETS instead of BOMBS.....then Zazen wouldnt hear them coming.
:rofl good one faux never thought of that.
CAN I MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR:
I AM NOT FLAMING ZAZEN IN ANY WAY.
I THINK IT IS GREAT THAT NOW I MUST FACE ADVERSARIES OF EXTREME CALIBRE ON THE GROUND AS WELL AS IN THE AIR.
zazen is a great person to fight against and he is always polite, gentlemanly and honest.
three qualities that many pass by in aid of strength, speed and social hierachy.
to Zazen, even if he does kill me too much ;)
batfink
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Originally posted by nopoop
I just wanna know if you have autographed photos for sale.
Continue with whatever.
I just think it would be more efficient just to come out and say "Jeez I am good" "Don't you wish you could be as good as I am. ??"
Your fatal flaw is everyone sees through your "posts"
accept you.
Much to the amusement of the gathered group.
But you go !! Your my hero :D
Not for flying skills mind you. Everyone knows who's good and who's a wannabe. Your not on the list.
Your my hero for self promotion, misdirected as it is.
A perfect example of self importance syndrome. Some times called "Gods gift disease"
:lol Man you wanna talk about 'nail on the head'.
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Originally posted by JTs
Zazen;
a question for you sir. when in the ostie do you use tracers?
JT
Yes, tracers attract prey. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by DieAz
once seen a guy clear a table and raked in $5000.
using his weak hand (left hand, he is righthanded) , only one hand, and a broom from corner of the
pool hall for a cuestick.
other guy never got a chance to shoot.
just something you reminded me of, thought I'd share it.
I once won a tournament at my college using a broom as well (and from my wheelchair), the guy I beat for the prize money transferred to another university the next day. lol
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
We agree occasionally, it's happened before. Proof even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. ;)
Zazen
Squirrels find nuts using their sense of smell, not eysight. (I realize you wanted to know this).
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Originally posted by nopoop
I just wanna know if you have autographed photos for sale.
Continue with whatever.
I just think it would be more efficient just to come out and say "Jeez I am good" "Don't you wish you could be as good as I am. ??"
Your fatal flaw is everyone sees through your "posts"
accept you.
Much to the amusement of the gathered group.
But you go !! Your my hero :D
Not for flying skills mind you. Everyone knows who's good and who's a wannabe. Your not on the list.
Your my hero for self promotion, misdirected as it is.
A perfect example of self importance syndrome. Some times called "Gods gift disease"
What's wrong with self-promotion, assuming that's his goal? Isn't the desire to accrue fame one of the primary motivators in games like this? Costs me nothing, too.
BTW, your post is somewhat self-promoting as well.
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Originally posted by TDeacon
Squirrels find nuts using their sense of smell, not eysight. (I realize you wanted to know this).
It's a popular expression...,but thanks for your profound insight into squirrel physiology, I like watching "Animal Planet" too, ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
It's a popular expression...,but thanks for your profound insight into squirrel physiology, I like watching "Animal Planet" too, ;)
Zazen
You're welcome. If there is any other useful info you need, feel free to inquire.
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Originally posted by Arlo
When you made a hissy over how little I flew in the MA as compared to you and how many kills I do or don't get there as compared to you did you forget how to check stats for the CT? Wasn't that kinda a misrepresentation? Uhhhh .... uhhhh ....
Yeah ... thought so. But, yaknow .... it didn't bother me enough to rush and correct you now, did it?
Tell me more about how everyone's ego but yours is fragile, scooter. ;)
Ah Arlo... I remember reading that post by Zazen....(tho I don't recall where)... BUT... the only posts I've read lately have dealt with ENY or conditions relating to the MA. So I would suggest that Zaz indicating your flying time and only using the MA time wouldn't be a missrepresentation.
Did I miss something about the post or thread that it was in?
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Originally posted by 4510
Ah Arlo... I remember reading that post by Zazen....(tho I don't recall where)... BUT... the only posts I've read lately have dealt with ENY or conditions relating to the MA. So I would suggest that Zaz indicating your flying time and only using the MA time wouldn't be a missrepresentation.
Did I miss something about the post or thread that it was in?
Something about since I didn't fly the MA much this week (and yeah, I don't fly there nearly as much as the CT) that I can't tell when a whine is a whine or somethin' like that. ;)
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Originally posted by mechanic
:rofl good one faux never thought of that.
CAN I MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR:
I AM NOT FLAMING ZAZEN IN ANY WAY.
I THINK IT IS GREAT THAT NOW I MUST FACE ADVERSARIES OF EXTREME CALIBRE ON THE GROUND AS WELL AS IN THE AIR.
zazen is a great person to fight against and he is always polite, gentlemanly and honest.
three qualities that many pass by in aid of strength, speed and social hierachy.
to Zazen, even if he does kill me too much ;)
batfink
Thanks Batfink, I totally understood that about your original post. Be aware that these individuals taking pot-shots at me do so in each and every thread I am involved in and some I am not. They would argue with me if I said the Earth was round and the sun sets in the East. Urchin, AK-AK, Arlo, Dipstick et al. are part of the crowd that 'loves to hate' me for whatever reasons. Please don't take their off-topic criticisms of me and my particular method of enjoying the game as them misinterpreting your original post. I have no doubt, in fact, that just because your original post was a compliment to me that it got their lil' panties in a bunch, they hate that I am good at anything and get recognized for it publicy. (they'd much rather it was them getting the recognition ;))
Zazen
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Originally posted by Arlo
Something about since I didn't fly the MA much this week (and yeah, I don't fly there nearly as much as the CT) that I can't tell when a whine is a whine or somethin' like that. ;)
You don't fly in the MA much at all, but still pretend to know all about the subtle nuances of it, kind of silly really. In fact, you haven't played in the MA more than 10 hours a month in the last 6 months except in May you played a total of 12 hours. Your average monthly play time is 6 hours, or just over 1 hour a week.
Funny that you get yourself heavily involved in the ENY debate, even going so far as saying it was your idea in the first place, but you barely even play in the MA at all. :rolleyes:
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
You don't fly in the MA much at all, but still pretend to know all about the subtle nuances of it, kind of silly really. In fact, you haven't played in the MA more than 10 hours a month in the last 6 months except in May you played a total of 12 hours. Your average monthly play time is 6 hours, or just over 1 hour a week.
Funny that you get yourself heavily involved in the ENY debate, even going so far as saying it was your idea in the first place, but you barely even play in the MA at all. :rolleyes:
*ShruG* It was .. what can I say? I bet you'd give your eye teeth to have one of your ideas taken seriously ... especially since you think you deserve it more by your hourly investment in the MA.
Speaking of which ... aren't we a tad bit fixated on my hours in the MA? Hehe
What's subtle about the pissy whine party goin' on right now? Seems like a helluva lot of noise by a few. Some threats to quit if things aren't fixed to their personal Lala satisfaction and all that. Some actual quitting ("never to return") and all that. And you think I gotta sit in an Ostie 30 hours a week on the pizza terrain to see that? That must be analysis at it's best on the monkey ranch you were bred. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
*ShruG* It was .. what can I say? I bet you'd give your eye teeth to have one of your ideas taken seriously ... especially since you think you deserve it more by your hourly investment in the MA.
Speaking of which ... aren't we a tad bit fixated on my hours in the MA? Hehe
What's subtle about the pissy whine party goin' on right now? Seems like a helluva lot of noise by a few. Some threats to quit if things aren't fixed to their personal Lala satisfaction and all that. Some actual quitting ("never to return") and all that. And you think I gotta sit in an Ostie 30 hours a week on the pizza terrain to see that? That must be analysis at it's best on the monkey ranch you were bred. :D
If that is true I don't know who the bigger fool is, you for coming up with the idea with relatively no MA play-time, or HTC for actually listening to you and implimenting it, alienating a significant portion of his previously happy, paying customers in the process.
Zazen
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Oh, I don't "love to hate you"... I think the strongest emotion I've got for you is a mild sort of contempt/amusement.
Like I said before.. all of your posts carry the tone of "I AM good, I AM I AM I AM!!! Why doesn't anyone list ME at the top of the 'greatest pilots EVAR list!!!???"
That and the constant one-upsmanship is amusing.
Random person "Wow, I landed 3 kills today"
Zazen "Way to go! You know, that reminds me of the X kill sortie I had (where X > 3)"
Random person "Man, I had a great time in my car, it is really awesome"
Zazen "Oh, you drive a XXX? Thats nice. I have 2 Lexus (es? ii?), oh.. and a Porsche I drive on the weekends. I'm thinking of trading one in to get a Lambourgini or maybe a Ferrarri."
Random person "I read the most fascinating book today!"
Zazen "Yea, that book sure is interesting. I wrote 7 books on the same topic in my spare time, between my job as a super important manager of a hospital, and my charity work for the poor in Indonesia."
Random person "Man, I went rock climbing on this wall in the local sporting goods store, it was great!"
Zazen " Rock-climbing is great fun. Since my tragic accident, I've scaled peaks in 6 continents, and I'm setting up an expedition to scale Mount Everest. We are going to set a record for the highest mountain ever climbed while naked without safety ropes."
Random person "Wow, you sure are great in a Flakpanzer!"
Me
Zazen "Yes, I am probably the best Flakpansie shooter ever. You see, I use a scientific approach I developed while studying quantum physics right after my tragic accident. You almost cannot fail with my super accurate scientific approach. Results in 30 days or your money back!"
Random person "I like to play pool in my spare time."
Zazen "Me to! I own 7 different pool tables.. I am regularly featured on ESPN2's "Best pool players EVAR" show.. it airs Wednesdays at 3:30 AM. I once won a pool tournament by shooting with my left foot from the adjacent table, using the broken end of my friends crutch (he was in my tragic accident too). I ran the table off the break, and then the poor guy I beat for the zillion dollar prize threw himself off a bridge the next day!"
Thats the part I find amusing about you. And slightly disgusting. So I guess the strongest emotions I feel for you would be a mild disgust/contempt.. tempered by amusement.
He remind anyone else of any 1337 snipers?
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Originally posted by Urchin
Oh, I don't "love to hate you"... I think the strongest emotion I've got for you is a mild sort of contempt/amusement.
Like I said before.. all of your posts carry the tone of "I AM good, I AM I AM I AM!!! Why doesn't anyone list ME at the top of the 'greatest pilots EVAR list!!!???"
That and the constant one-upsmanship is amusing.
Random person "Wow, I landed 3 kills today"
Zazen "Way to go! You know, that reminds me of the X kill sortie I had (where X > 3)"
Random person "Man, I had a great time in my car, it is really awesome"
Zazen "Oh, you drive a XXX? Thats nice. I have 2 Lexus (es? ii?), oh.. and a Porsche I drive on the weekends. I'm thinking of trading one in to get a Lambourgini or maybe a Ferrarri."
Random person "I read the most fascinating book today!"
Zazen "Yea, that book sure is interesting. I wrote 7 books on the same topic in my spare time, between my job as a super important manager of a hospital, and my charity work for the poor in Indonesia."
Random person "Man, I went rock climbing on this wall in the local sporting goods store, it was great!"
Zazen " Rock-climbing is great fun. Since my tragic accident, I've scaled peaks in 6 continents, and I'm setting up an expedition to scale Mount Everest. We are going to set a record for the highest mountain ever climbed while naked without safety ropes."
Random person "Wow, you sure are great in a Flakpanzer!"
Me
Zazen "Yes, I am probably the best Flakpansie shooter ever. You see, I use a scientific approach I developed while studying quantum physics right after my tragic accident. You almost cannot fail with my super accurate scientific approach. Results in 30 days or your money back!"
Random person "I like to play pool in my spare time."
Zazen "Me to! I own 7 different pool tables.. I am regularly featured on ESPN2's "Best pool players EVAR" show.. it airs Wednesdays at 3:30 AM. I once won a pool tournament by shooting with my left foot from the adjacent table, using the broken end of my friends crutch (he was in my tragic accident too). I ran the table off the break, and then the poor guy I beat for the zillion dollar prize threw himself off a bridge the next day!"
Thats the part I find amusing about you. And slightly disgusting. So I guess the strongest emotions I feel for you would be a mild disgust/contempt.. tempered by amusement.
He remind anyone else of any 1337 snipers?
I'm not sure which is more pathetic, the fact that you are this fixated on me or that you actually took the time to write all that. I'll have to think about it. ;) Either way, it's a clear-cut case of noodle-envy. ;)
Zazen
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Lol.. that took maybe 5 minutes to type.. tops. If you think someone taking 1/3rd of 1% of a day to make fun of you means they are "fixated" on you... you probably have at least one very serious mental disorder. Granted.. most people could probably already tell given the tone of your "ordinary" posts, but you might want to go to a shrink and get it checked out.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Lol.. that took maybe 5 minutes to type.. tops. If you think someone taking 1/3rd of 1% of a day to make fun of you means they are "fixated" on you... you probably have at least one very serious mental disorder. Granted.. most people could probably already tell given the tone of your "ordinary" posts, but you might want to go to a shrink and get it checked out.
:rofl
Nuff said! ;)
Zazen
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*snicker*
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Originally posted by Zazen13
If that is true I don't know who the bigger fool is, you for coming up with the idea with virtually no MA play-time, or HTC for actually listening to you and implimenting it, alienating a significant portion of his previously happy paying customers in the process.
Zazen
Ain't it funny how well it addressed the specific problem at hand, though? After all, nothing coded in AH ever had the dramatic and immediate effect on balancing numbers in the MA than the ENY restriction based on numbers has had. Is it perfect? Neh. Can it be tweaked? Yeah. Did it piss you off? Yeah. Have you actually come up with something better? No. Have I sided with the "overwhelming number of dissatisfied customers" when it came to disabling it to give running without it a try again? Yup.
I'm looking for a downside .... really I am. If you want, I'll teach you how to look at problems with a fresh eye. :aok
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Originally posted by Arlo
Ain't it funny how well it addressed the specific problem at hand, though? After all, nothing coded in AH ever had the dramatic and immediate effect on balancing numbers in the MA than the ENY restriction based on numbers has had. Is it perfect? Neh. Can it be tweaked? Yeah. Did it piss you off? Yeah. Have you actually come up with something better? No. Have I sided with the "overwhelming number of dissatisfied customers" when it came to disabling it to give running without it a try again? Yup.
I'm looking for a downside .... really I am. If you want, I'll teach you how to look at problems with a fresh eye. :aok
It hasn't changed the balance at all really, all it has done is drive 25%(?) of the customers away. What you perceive as greater balance is in actuality just less people overall. If you actually spent as much time in the MA a month as you do trolling the BBS you would know this.
The ENY system doesn't piss me off at all, directly, I fly planes that are uneffected by the ENY limiter. The reason I take exception to it is because of the principle of it. HiTech choosing to micro-manage balance by curtailing options with a method that does not take actual arena balance (disposition of forces) into account is deeply flawed. No amount of 'tweaking' will change the fact that, in principle, it is deeply flawed. The fact that HTC chose to simply add some simple, arbitrary formula to micromanage player balance rather than figure out a more creative solution, perhaps involving the currently totally meaningless but potentially usefull strat system already in place boggles my mind.
Zazen
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I think you probably ought to get together with Voss, Zazen. Between the two of you I believe you coule probably design the best flight sim Evar... hands down.
Hell, he's already got most of the code in place, with a small contribution to the operating costs I'm sure he could cut you in on the deal.
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Ever heard of 2 dimensions versus 3 dimensions? you lack an understanding of physics and numbers. My 'pie hole' remains open and I'm sorry I'm wasting your time. Polishing ones own brass in pubilc is considered bad manners and a waiste of time. Judging form the numbers of posts it's obvious that people waxing about nothing are waisting time.
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Originally posted by Ratnick
Ever heard of 2 dimensions versus 3 dimensions? you lack an understanding of physics and numbers. My 'pie hole' remains open and I'm sorry I'm wasting your time. Polishing ones own brass in pubilc is considered bad manners and a waiste of time. Judging form the numbers of posts it's obvious that people waxing about nothing are waisting time.
We don't actually play in 3 dimensions, depth is only 'implied' graphically, but not actually existant. I'll prove it to you with a little experiment you can try at home. Shove your fist into the 3rd dimension (depth) in your monitor, let us know what happens, k? ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Urchin
I think you probably ought to get together with Voss, Zazen. Between the two of you I believe you coule probably design the best flight sim Evar... hands down.
Hell, he's already got most of the code in place, with a small contribution to the operating costs I'm sure he could cut you in on the deal.
:rofl
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
It hasn't changed the balance at all really
No .... it did. And it still does. Within less than 24 hours the ENY limiter had the desired effect in regards to balancing numbers (which seemed to be the main concern of many here on the BBS at the time).
Has the cure killed the patient? Well, that remains to be seen. Some say yes ... poof ... I'm outa here and so are all my friends! But some say no. It's fine. Let the whiners go. Gangrene! Some came back because of it. Some just flat don't care.
You're the self-proclaimed statistician of AH. I'm sure you didn't just pull that 25% figure out of your arse, right (though it may be an approximation since you have a question mark in brackets)? You've seen HTC's client base printed, certainly. Number of current accounts, number of new accounts, number of cancelled accounts, customer feedback emails.
I haven't so I won't even pretend to know exactly what the influx or losses are. I suspected there might be a period of readjustment no matter what HT implemented.
But if you really want to do some genuine statistical analysis and not just claim you are then let's see if we can get HT to agree to this:
Tommorrow it'll be one month to the day that patch 8 was released. If it's merely a matter of being able to turn it off and on, let's ask HT to flip the switch off.
Then we can start a thread where players can post the playercount in the MA at any given day and time for a month.
Doesn't get any simpler than that.
On a slightly related survey, they can post player number by rook, bishop and knight.
Or is it supposedly a bad idea because I haven't been flying in the MA enough? :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Something about since I didn't fly the MA much this week (and yeah, I don't fly there nearly as much as the CT) that I can't tell when a whine is a whine or somethin' like that. ;)
Don't you think it a little presumptious to spend almost no time in an arena and then participate very vocally in most threads associated with that arena?
How do you form your opinions on the need for.. or the effectiveness of an change in that arena if you don't even fly there?
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Originally posted by 4510
Don't you think it a little presumptious to spend almost no time in an arena and then participate very vocally in most threads associated with that arena?
How do you form your opinions on the need for.. or the effectiveness of an change in that arena if you don't even fly there?
All I did was offer a suggestion in a thread where HT asked what methods players would suggest to address the numbers imbalance in the MA. After that all I've basically done is laugh at some of the excuses players will give to avoid switching sides at all costs. It's not nearly as presumptious as you make it out to be.
Ain't life funny? :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
All I did was offer a suggestion in a thread where HT asked what methods players would suggest to address the numbers imbalance in the MA. After that all I've basically done is laugh at some of the excuses players will give to avoid switching sides at all costs. It's not nearly as presumptious as you make it out to be.
Ain't life funny? :D
Well sometimes life is funny and sometimes it isn't. I've always thought good communication relied upon all sides at least acknowledging the other's position, and proceed from there. This BBS is very quick to jump on the "It's a WHINE" band wagon.
All that aside.... after offering your idea (which was adopted) wouldn't you WANT to spend more time in the MA and see what effect it is having? Float around different countries and listen to what they have to say? Then you'd have an ingame read on how folks like the idea you came up with. I don't think this BBS reflects ingame reality very well. (caveat follows: But that is just personal opinion. I have no data on the number of account holders, active flyers, and number of individuals that post here. But I suspect the first two numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than those that post her.)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Thanks Batfink, I totally understood that about your original post. Be aware that these individuals taking pot-shots at me do so in each and every thread I am involved in and some I am not. They would argue with me if I said the Earth was round and the sun sets in the East. Urchin, AK-AK, Arlo, Dipstick et al. are part of the crowd that 'loves to hate' me for whatever reasons. Please don't take their off-topic criticisms of me and my particular method of enjoying the game as them misinterpreting your original post. I have no doubt, in fact, that just because your original post was a compliment to me that it got their lil' panties in a bunch, they hate that I am good at anything and get recognized for it publicy. (they'd much rather it was them getting the recognition ;))
Zazen
but i also like these characters who you have disagreements with.
i am not siding with anyone.
it sure is fun to watch all this though.
lets hear about you accident.
whats that all about?
bat
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Well... from what I understand he threw his back out while whipping his dick out on the table during a conversation on who the best driver was in Nascar.
By the way numbnuts... the sun doesn't set in the east.
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Originally posted by 4510
Well sometimes life is funny and sometimes it isn't. I've always thought good communication relied upon all sides at least acknowledging the other's position, and proceed from there. This BBS is very quick to jump on the "It's a WHINE" band wagon.
All that aside.... after offering your idea (which was adopted) wouldn't you WANT to spend more time in the MA and see what effect it is having? Float around different countries and listen to what they have to say? Then you'd have an ingame read on how folks like the idea you came up with. I don't think this BBS reflects ingame reality very well. (caveat follows: But that is just personal opinion. I have no data on the number of account holders, active flyers, and number of individuals that post here. But I suspect the first two numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than those that post her.)
I may, I may not. You assume I made the suggestion out of a genuine concern for the disparity of numbers in the Main. I merely suggested a method to deal with it and it happened to be the method applied. It had a surprising (even to me) immediate impact.
That being said, it also managed to prove that there may actually be more players interested in not switching to balance numbers (with any number of excuses involved) than there are in doing so (which I once again remind you was the apparent concern of both the HTC and a significant number of players at the time).
Now you and Zazen may feel somewhat indignant that the suggestion was made by a player that spends most of his time playing in the CT (and even then doesn't spend as much time playing AH as he used to). And you may feel even more put off by the fact that the suggestion was taken to heart and given a try.
You certainly seem to feel that Zazen is proving his stance by focusing on that, somehow.
If that's the case, I suppose I can devote every minute of spare time to sit in an Ostie in the MA so I can suddenly be right about this. But I don't think that'll squelch the warbling going on here on the BBS.
Nothing will.
Zen meditate on that, dudes. :D
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Originally posted by Urchin
By the way numbnuts... the sun doesn't set in the east.
It was a tongue in cheek joke...jeez! Lighten up lol ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by 4510
I don't think this BBS reflects ingame reality very well. (caveat follows: But that is just personal opinion. I have no data on the number of account holders, active flyers, and number of individuals that post here. But I suspect the first two numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than those that post her.)
I think the figure I last saw was 10% of registered players READ these forums and half that number (5%) actively participate in them. So, you are entirely correct in that these forums are not an accurate sampling of actual player sentiment on any issue.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Arlo
I may, I may not. You assume I made the suggestion out of a genuine concern for the disparity of numbers in the Main.
Actually Arlo I'm not assuming anything. Didn't even know it was your idea until I read this thread. The only understanding I have of your motives is by what you post.
That being said, it also managed to prove that there may actually be more players interested in not switching to balance numbers (with any number of excuses involved) than there are in doing so (which I once again remind you was the apparent concern of both the HTC and a significant number of players at the time).
From what I have seen I would tend to agree with you here. However, we weren't after mass migration but a small migration. Since neither of us has any hard data it is just a sense sort of thing, but I do think we are seeing more migration than the past.
Now you and Zazen may feel somewhat indignant that the suggestion was made by a player that spends most of his time playing in the CT (and even then doesn't spend as much time playing AH as he used to). And you may feel even more put off by the fact that the suggestion was taken to heart and given a try.
May is the appropriate word to use. I have formed no opinion on your long running discussion with Zazen and I don't know that I am inclined to. I tended to ask my questions based on early posts of my own where I chided HT for, IMHO, not reaching out to the community on such a major issue. The responses I got were all focused on it being addressed on the BBS. Learning today that the idea came from you and your limited arena time both before and after the change interested me... or confirmed my earlier concerns that we aren't making decisions based upon a good "feel" for the MA but rather a detached viewpoint. Whether arena time is needed to come with an idea, or that an idea presented even represents good faith on the part of the presenter etc. those are all pretty deep subjects.
You certainly seem to feel that Zazen is proving his stance by focusing on that, somehow.
As I said before ... I haven't read deeply into your discussion with Zazen... rather I was focusing on the fact you are the author for the ENY fix that we are using... considered all your posts across the BBS commenting on motives, recommended conduct, choices, etc. of people who don't like the ENY fix... and well.... before when I considered your opinions I thought they came from at least a middle ground. Thus I could use them as sort of a frame of reference for my own opinions. (see I am a Rook and that could color my opinions) The revelation of your involvement in recommending this type of fix puts a different light on it. Not saying it is bad... but for someone to appreciate your opinions... it would be well for them to know where you are coming from.
Sort of like reading a product recommendation concerning a Ford Company Automobile by a Road and Track writer and then learning that the writer owned stock or consulted part time for Ford.
If that's the case, I suppose I can devote every minute of spare time to sit in an Ostie in the MA so I can suddenly be right about this.
:lol You do what you think is right Arlo. I only asked YOUR opinion on whether you thought it was presumptious.. etc. I guess I asked you to grade yourself. I now have enough information to establish a frame of reference for when I read your input. It is for me and me alone. Everyone else can make their own call.
As for the Ostie.. that would terribly boring I would think. Unless you shoot as well as Zazen is reportedly capable of. I can't hit the broadside of a barn in one. :eek:
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Originally posted by 4510
Originally posted by Arlo
As for the Ostie.. that would terribly boring I would think. Unless you shoot as well as Zazen is reportedly capable of. I can't hit the broadside of a barn in one. :eek:
When you are able to hit a bird in the eye flying at 1.5k in an Ostwind then get to sit back and listen to the crying on channel 200, it's anything BUT boring. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
When you are able to hit a bird in the eye flying at 1.5k in an Ostwind then get to sit back and listen to the crying on channel 200, it's anything BUT boring. ;)
Zazen
I'm still trying to get the lead angle figured for the Barns...
I did manage to hit my own FH a couple of times tho... so there IS hope for me.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I think you probably ought to get together with Voss, Zazen. Between the two of you I believe you coule probably design the best flight sim Evar... hands down.
Hell, he's already got most of the code in place, with a small contribution to the operating costs I'm sure he could cut you in on the deal.
Either that or they could work togther on a cure for "Short man Syndrome" , a disease they both seem to be suffering.
They seem to be so similar in their actions/style/playing approach ...hmm......
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In AH it is rare indeed that a single individual can have such a great impact upon so many enemy, especially now that HQ is harder. I agree that if there were alot of people that could even come close to reproducing my results in the Ostwind it would perhaps be detrimental to overall gameplay. But, the fact remains I have a singular talent that so far as I know has no peer. This is spite of the fact that I have made all of my techniques, hints and tricks public domain on this very forum.
TOOT de TOOT de TOOOOOOOT!!!
oh sorry, you were blowing your own trumpet, no need for me to do it! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Redd
Either that or they could work togther on a cure for "Short man Syndrome" , a disease they both seem to be suffering.
COOL !!!
I envision a telethon where people call in and give what they can to help cure this terrible disease.
THAT'D BE GREAT !!!!
Then the camera would zoom in on the host and only the top of his head would be visable.
THEN !! we could listen to the forehead talk !!
Talk to me forehead..talk !!
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Some of my best fights were in a pool hall, over a 'game'...hehe, and I used a broom handle too, lol. :aok
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I'm sure if enough of you piss and moan to HiTech about me, he will perk me ...
PERK ZAZEN!! . LOL, I guess it had to happen sooner or later.
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I'm so sorry Zazen, I just checked your stats and now I realize just how good you are! A god in fact.
I mean your stats are freaking awesome. Without peer as it were.
I imagine all your friends in the real life are freaking amazed at how good you are "able to hit a bird in the eye flying at 1.5k in an Ostwind."
I bet they all line up to buy you beers at the local tavern when you tell them," If there were alot of people that could even come close to reproducing my results in the Ostwind it would perhaps be detrimental to overall gameplay. But, the fact remains I have a singular talent that so far as I know has no peer."
I bet you get laid every single night also because of this. I'm sure all the girls want you for you Osti talents.
Man, when I grow up, I want to be just like you!!!
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Originally posted by Drunky
I'm so sorry Zazen, I just checked your stats and now I realize just how good you are! A god in fact.
I mean your stats are freaking awesome. Without peer as it were.
I imagine all your friends in the real life are freaking amazed at how good you are "able to hit a bird in the eye flying at 1.5k in an Ostwind."
I bet they all line up to buy you beers at the local tavern when you tell them," If there were alot of people that could even come close to reproducing my results in the Ostwind it would perhaps be detrimental to overall gameplay. But, the fact remains I have a singular talent that so far as I know has no peer."
I bet you get laid every single night also because of this. I'm sure all the girls want you for you Osti talents.
Man, when I grow up, I want to be just like you!!!
A) I'm married, so no, I don't get laid everynight. ;)
B) People buy me drinks because I'm a fun person with a good sense of humor.
C) Anytime I speak of AH to anyone outside this community peoples' eyes glaze over and a bemused look comes over them. ;)
Zazen
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Okay, then your God complex comes from playing an online game. How sad.
You keep up that thing that makes you feel better than other people. ;)
Don't forget, in the virtual world you are without peer. :p
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Originally posted by Zazen13
C) Anytime I speak of AH to anyone outside this community peoples' eyes glaze over and a bemused look comes over them. ;)
Zazen
So now I get it, you just have a laugh over AH? I see, so you post here endlessly, but really you couldn't give a rats bellybutton about the game or it's community, got it. Funny thing, I tell my pals about the scenarios, and the fact that people from all over the world are playing at the same time in WW2 planes, and they wanna come check it out, they think that sounds cool to participate in.
Thanks for coming here , stirrin up things, all the while laughing at our pathetic little AH community. Thanks, it's people like you ruining this place. Oh, but by all means, you paid your 15 bucks, so keep screwing with us.
WTG.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
C) Anytime I speak of AH to anyone outside this community peoples' eyes glaze over and a bemused look comes over them. ;)
Zazen
Oddly enough.. the same thing happens when he talks to people inside the community too.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Oddly enough.. the same thing happens when he talks to people inside the community too.
Really Urchin? You can see peoples' eyes and their facial expressions over the internet? Man! I want some of whatever you're on! Must be really good stuff! :rofl
Zazen
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Originally posted by airbumba
So now I get it, you just have a laugh over AH? I see, so you post here endlessly, but really you couldn't give a rats bellybutton about the game or it's community, got it. Funny thing, I tell my pals about the scenarios, and the fact that people from all over the world are playing at the same time in WW2 planes, and they wanna come check it out, they think that sounds cool to participate in.
Thanks for coming here , stirrin up things, all the while laughing at our pathetic little AH community. Thanks, it's people like you ruining this place. Oh, but by all means, you paid your 15 bucks, so keep screwing with us.
WTG.
My friends are primarily a weird amalgam of business people in suits and pool sharks. Computer games of any description don't tend to hold much interest for them for some odd reason. ;)
Zazen
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anyone that can pee off akak, urchin, arlo and a host of others gets my thumbs up
wipass
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Its late and i have had a few beers so i know im gonna regret this.
++++++++++++CHallenGe++++++++++++
I want to challenge Zazen to a camp/month. Highest K/D?
No La7's, Niki's or Spits. You fly your typhoon/P51/P47. I fly my 190D9/190A8.
We can start this next month.
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I am a below average pilot so it should be no problem for ya.
I am knight so, i am obviously at a disadvantage since the ENY restrictions have not changed anything in the MA or so ya claim.
Just for fun. This will give me a reason to fly seriously again.
Any other rules be good. Maybe have to have a certain amount of sorties etc. You are the man of higher intelligence so i'll let you maybe think out any other rules.
S! look foward to the challenge
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Originally posted by wipass
anyone that can pee off akak, urchin, arlo and a host of others gets my thumbs up
wipass
It kind of amuses me that these 'wonderfull people' :rolleyes: devote even a small fraction of their time to lambaste me publicly on these forums. It is either a credit to my playing ability or a sad commentary on their pathetic lives. I can't decide which it is, perhaps a combination of the two. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by wipass
anyone that can pee off akak, urchin, arlo and a host of others gets my thumbs up
wipass
Well when ya find him, let us know when the weddin' is. :D
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Originally posted by Zazen13
It kind of amuses me that these 'wonderfull people' :rolleyes: devote even a small fraction of their time to lambaste me publicly on these forums. It is either a credit to my playing ability or a sad commentary on their pathetic lives. I can't decide which it is, perhaps a combination of the two. ;)
Zazen
Maybe it's just your persecution complex kickin' into full speed ahead? Hehe .... ;)
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Originally posted by Misfit
Its late and i have had a few beers so i know im gonna regret this.
++++++++++++CHallenGe++++++++++++
I want to challenge Zazen to a camp/month. Highest K/D?
No La7's, Niki's or Spits. You fly your typhoon/P51/P47. I fly my 190D9/190A8.
We can start this next month.
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I am a below average pilot so it should be no problem for ya.
I am knight so, i am obviously at a disadvantage since the ENY restrictions have not changed anything in the MA or so ya claim.
Just for fun. This will give me a reason to fly seriously again.
Any other rules be good. Maybe have to have a certain amount of sorties etc. You are the man of higher intelligence so i'll let you maybe think out any other rules.
S! look foward to the challenge
Misfit, I like your spirit. The fact remains I ALWAYS fly to live, I do not require a personal contest for motivation. I always endeavour to fly as if I were a real WW2 fighter pilot trying to survive the war (camp) so that one day I might return home to my family. Aces High is a role-playing game to me as well as a WW2 air combat simulation. If you wish to have a 'contest' any camp, simply compare your end of camp K/D with mine.
Every camp I am actually having a 'contest' with myself to see if I can go an entire camp without a death in a fighter (while maintaining a reasonable K/S(2.5), K/T(6/HR) and Hit %(10%) with no more than 10% of my kills coming from a perked plane & no fewer than 150 kills total). The closest I have ever gotten in AH was last camp. Four deaths; three collisions and one death to a bomber gunner, no deaths to another fighter. I found that camp to be the most fun ever, the adrenalin rush each sortie was incredible. I felt like a surgeon wielding a precision cutting instrument in a fighter. It's a very hard thing to explain to anyone who doesn't approach the game as I do, I've tried many times in a myriad of ways.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
That is untrue. I always make an effort to keep my time in Fighter roughly equal to my time in the Ostwind by camp's end. Last camp for example I spent 33 Hours in a fighter compared to 30 hours in an Ostwind. I had 42 deaths in that 30 hours in the Ostwind, compared to 9 deaths total in 33 hours in a fighter.
Zazen
How did you get killed in a fighter? Did a satelite ram you? :D
JK
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Originally posted by Arlo
Maybe it's just your persecution complex kickin' into full speed ahead? Hehe .... ;)
I wouldn't be so paranoid if all these people weren't after me!!:eek:
I crack myself up sometimes! :rofl
Zazen
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Zazen is example of a breed of AH flyer that matter as I remember him in AW as a gamer of the game and a point/rank HO.
Now, his loyalty to his country, the rooks, to be of some redeeming character, but his vocal opposition to the new ENY setup is example how this new setup is cramping his style of those that basically need to be in on top of a big black cloud of rook flyers, in late model uber planes; to swoop down and cherry pick with points, K/D and the like primarily on his mind.
Now, whether Zazen is any good, well is something of debate. But considering, In my humble opinion, there is the sprit of the game vers gaming the game. In that respect Zazen is of that later camp. I don’t think points are as important as flying with my squadies, focusing on objectives and just having fun rather than just MY K/D and Rank.
Since he brags on this forum all the time I feel Zazen is fair game. I disagree with his view of gaming the game.
Chi town Flyer
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Originally posted by Chitownflyer
Zazen is example of a breed of AH flyer that matter as I remember him in AW as a gamer of the game and a point/rank HO.
Now, his loyalty to his country, the rooks, to be of some redeeming character, but his vocal opposition to the new ENY setup is example how this new setup is cramping his style of those that basically need to be in on top of a big black cloud of rook flyers, in late model uber planes; to swoop down and cherry pick with points, K/D and the like primarily on his mind.
Now, whether Zazen is any good, well is something of debate. But considering, In my humble opinion, there is the sprit of the game vers gaming the game. In that respect Zazen is of that later camp. I don’t think points are as important as flying with my squadies, focusing on objectives and just having fun rather than just MY K/D and Rank.
Since he brags on this forum all the time I feel Zazen is fair game. I disagree with his view of gaming the game.
Chi town Flyer
Chi, look up. My best camp EVER in AH was last camp, with the ENY thingy in full swing. The ENY thingy does not detrimentally effect me personally in any way, it just makes no sense logically as to how it operates (no regard for disposition of forces), that is why I take exception to it, in principle. In fact, I would ever go so far as to say the ENY thing actually makes the game easier for me as my enemy is periodically without his best ride, whereas my best rides are virtually always available due to their high ENY rating. Perhaps this explains why my best camp EVER in AH was also the first camp of the ENY limiter, even so I still oppose the ENY limiter in its current incarnation in principle.
As for 'gaming the game' as you call it, I call it the realistic survivalist approach. When push came to shove, the foremost concern on a fighter pilot's mind in WW2 was getting home with his bellybutton still attached to the rest of his body, especially true of anyone flying alone in a lone wolf, free-hunt capacity as I do 99% of the time.
I would fly the exact same way if there were no scores, ranks, or online record keeping of any sort. The record-keeping is just an objective way to measure relative performance without having to manually keep records yourself or guess. It's not about the scores for me, it's about the role-playing. The only reason I get bunched up with score potatos is because, to a degree, those who fly for score/rank have to also fly to survive, otherwise their lack of a decent K/D would make their entire score/rank suffer.
I'm an entirely different breed of animal, I'm the pure survivalist. It takes alot of cunning and intelligence to be a suvivalist. There is no greater hunt than one human being hunting another. Humans are not bound by instinct or inhibitions, they are able to adapt infinitely due to creativity and imagination. Constantly besting other humans without allowing them to best me is an intriguing pursuit which I find incredibly entertaining, personally.
Zazen
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There is no greater hunt than one human being hunting another. Humans are not bound by instinct or inhibitions, they are able to adapt infintely due to creativity. Constantly besting other humans without allowing them to best me is an intriguing pursuit which I find incredibly entertaining, personally.
heh, there is a short story called. The Most Dangerous Game. Ever read it? Thats what that reminded me of.
Ahh, here we go. A linky http://www.enotes.com/most-dangerous/
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Originally posted by Estes
heh, there is a short story called. The Most Dangerous Game. Ever read it? Thats what that reminded me of.
Ahh, here we go. A linky http://www.enotes.com/most-dangerous/
I read that in school, perhaps grade 7 or 8? It was a very good story and very aptly describes the enthralling nature of hunting other human beings.
Zazen
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Yep. Remember having to read it in highschool English.
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Yea, my brain is an aiming computer. I play pool semi-professionally. The angles of deflection in pool are mentally the exact same as in gunnery. I find that the more I play AH the better my pool game Conversely, the more pool I play the better my gunnery in AH. I think I just owe my uncanny aim to a highly developed sense of deflection. Interestingly, this was the case in WW1 & WW2. The best fighter pilots were those from rural areas that hunted fast moving prey growing up, they had superior gunnery. These people also had a highly developed sense of deflection.
Zazen
Well I stink at pool, but I love to play. This has answerd a lot of my questions. ;)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I read that in school, perhaps grade 7 or 8? It was a very good story and very aptly describes the enthralling nature of hunting other human beings.
Zazen
I read it in 3rd grade and wrote a doctoral thesis on it before my 5th grade graduation.
:D
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I read it in 3rd grade and wrote a doctoral thesis on it before my 5th grade graduation.
:D
Slappy, you're not one of those dorks who got recruited at the ripe age 11 by MIT only to become a 35 year-old celibate bedwetter who still lives at home with mom, are you ? :rofl
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Slappy, you're not one of those dorks who got recruited at the ripe age 11 by MIT only to become a 35 year-old celibate bedwetter who still lives at home with mom, are you ? :rofl
Exposed !!! ... dang you are good ... :rofl
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Originally posted by daddog
Well I stink at pool, but I love to play. This has answerd a lot of my questions. ;)
For those who do not see the connection between playing pool and gunnery in AH allow me to illustrate with a couple of examples. As mentioned by another poster, pool is two dimensional if you exclude the jump shot and AH gunnery is theoretically 3 dimensional, although the 3rd dimension is not actual but implied graphically. This is true to a point, but if you make one of the 3 dimensions a constant, depth in this case, it too becomes 2 dimensional for all practical purposes. In fact, we all make it 2 dimensional everytime we shoot in AH without even thinking about it consciously. We do this by always firing at a specific range from the target, for example I always fire when D = 200 on the icon. Therefore, as far as I am concerned, the 3rd dimension or Z co-ordinate (depth) is a constant as it does not change measurably during the brief fraction of a second of my firing envelope and the tiny interval of time it takes for the rounds to travel to the target.
If we agree that both gunnery and pool are in essence two dimensional we can focus on the parallels as they relate to deflection and angles. In pool you have a cue ball and an object ball. The cue ball reacts to spin put on it by your cue tip which is in turn affected by the friction between the ball and the cloth. When you apply english, which is done by hitting the cue ball right or left of center, to varying degrees, you in fact deflect the cue ball. A masse shot is an extreme example of cue ball deflection, the cue ball actually arcs anywhere from a few degrees to a complete 180 degree half circle. Anytime you apply right or left english on the cue ball it deflects, therefore to maintain accuracy you must compensate for this deflection in your aim, the deflection is called squirt and throw. So, already you can see some parallels. We can say the 'spin' of the cue ball is equal to a firing solution for anything but a zero G shot at a stationary target, and the compensation in your aiming for this is equivalent to leading for deflection or in pool compensating for the squirt and throw of the cue ball in your aim.
Another parallel involves cut-shots and the control of the cue ball after making a cut-shot for shape. Say you have a 60 degree cut shot in a corner pocket, you focus upon the point of contact the cue-ball must strike the object ball to send it into the pocket, but where is the cue ball going? Well, there is always a simple way to tell in pool, it's called the tangent line. The tangent line is the line of intersection between the portion of the cue-ball that strikes the object ball at the point of contact. A line drawn through this intersection of points is the line the cue-ball will travel after striking the object ball if hit with no spin at all, dead center in the cue-ball. The cue-ball is essentially deflecting in a predictable way off of the object ball. Put spin, especially top (follow) or bottom (draw), on the cue ball and all bets are now off. Now the cue ball 'deflects' in an arc differently than the tangent line indicates relative to how much spin you apply and with what force you strike the cue-ball. A good pool player can predict the exact path this arc of deflection will take and where the cue-ball will go as a result. So, again a parallel between angles of deflection in pool and angles of deflection in AH gunnery.
I have the unique vantage of looking at both pool and AH gunnery from an experienced perspective. I contend, from my own personal experience, that the same part of the brain is used for both. They both involve the application of spatial geometry and the prediction of arcing paths of intersection based on moving objects (the cue-ball and object balls for carom and combination shots) that deflect variably depending upon the conditions. Both require angular compensation for deflection. If you do not want to take my word for it, go to your local pool hall or favorite tavern, play some pool and think about it as you play. Pay attention to the interaction between the cue ball and the object balls and how you attempt to predict the cue-ball's arcing angle of deflection to set yourself up for your next shot or break-out a cluster of balls. It's fundamentally the exact same process as predicting the point of intersection between your arcing bullet stream and an enemy aircraft.
Zazen
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Nahh...it's more like Space Invaders...lol
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Originally posted by Blooz
Nahh...it's more like Space Invaders...lol
How's that exactly? ;)
Zazen
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God I miss Voss and lazs.
There is only one person this thread can be entertaining
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Do they let you put pen marks on the pool table to line up your shot ? Or do you just get a friend to put his finger on the cushion to help you ;)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I read it in 3rd grade and wrote a doctoral thesis on it before my 5th grade graduation.
:D
Well hell then ..... I wrote it when I was in second grade but it was a backup story that was actually a practical joke that I expected an F on. ;)
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Originally posted by Redd
Do they let you put pen marks on the pool table to line up your shot ? Or do you just get a friend to put his finger on the cushion to help you ;)
I mentally visualize glowing lines on the table that indicate my prediction of the paths of the balls.
Zazen
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Originally posted by wipass
anyone that can pee off akak, urchin, arlo and a host of others gets my thumbs up
wipass
He doesn't piss me off or upset me. I always get a chuckle of the Rainbow Warrior's Timid Elite thumping their mighty chests.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Arlo
Well hell then ..... I wrote it when I was in second grade but it was a backup story that was actually a practical joke that I expected an F on. ;)
So, that's where this started! Arlo is the 'author' of other 'popular' works, not just the ENY system. Now we know how it all began. ;)
Zazen
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You bet. I also taught Minnesota Fats how to shoot pool and Donald Trump calls me for business advice. The U.S. Army has asked me to write their manual for the newest version of their anti-aircraft mobile defense system too. But when it comes to ideas for AH I'll be keeping that between me and HT now.
Ahem ... :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
You bet. I also taught Minnesota Fats how to shoot pool and Donald Trump calls me for business advice. The U.S. Army has asked me to write their manual for the newest version of their anti-aircraft mobile defense system too. But when it comes to ideas for AH I'll be keeping that between me and HT now.
Ahem ... :D
MetaVoss IS alive! ;) I guess it's MetaArloVoss now, eh?
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And he doesn't even see it. :lol
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I mentally visualize glowing lines on the table that indicate my prediction of the paths of the balls.
Zazen
so why do you suck at acm?
:eek:
:p
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Originally posted by Shane
so why do you suck at acm?
:eek:
:p
My aim is so fabulous I never really have to do fancy manuevers for kills. So, just lack of practice I guess! :aok
Zazen
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Originally posted by Arlo
And he doesn't even see it. :lol
Of course I do! I was hoping to bait Urchin back into this with the Metapotato thing. But, ya had to go and ruin it! :(
Zazen
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....so does chalk equal convergence?
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Originally posted by airbumba
....so does chalk equal convergence?
Convergence is a constant as it relates to depth. Therefore, there is no need for a pool metaphor for convergence.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Convergence is a constant as it relates to depth. Therefore, there is no need for a pool metaphor for convergence.
Zazen
So much for fisiks....
Convergence is a dynamic estimation and it relates to area.
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Actually i think pool as well as shooting is 3 dimensional at least, since you have to factor in time, which results in 3 dimensens, say x y and t.
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Stange, if this thread were in the Oclub it would read something like this:
edited by skuzzy
edited by skuzzy
edited by skuzzy
edited by skuzzy
edited by skuzzy
edited by skuzzy
Then at the end of the first page it would read:
CLOSED..
If I were in an osty sitting on the runway and heard bombs falling that I knew would hit/kill me I would .ef in a heartbeat.. Maybe sooner..
If I landed in a plane and some fella was coming to vulch me or drop bombs on me or otherwise attempt to kill me, I would .ef.....
Actually, I would do anything within the game to deny the badguys a kill on me... Too bad it never works for me though.. 8(
kappa
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Stange, if this thread were in the Oclub it would read something like this:
edited by skuzzy
edited by skuzzy
edited by skuzzy
edited by skuzzy
edited by skuzzy
edited by skuzzy
Then at the end of the first page it would read:
CLOSED..
If I were in an osty sitting on the runway and heard bombs falling that I knew would hit/kill me I would .ef in a heartbeat.. Maybe sooner..
If I landed in a plane and some fella was coming to vulch me or drop bombs on me or otherwise attempt to kill me, I would .ef.....
Actually, I would do anything within the game to deny the badguys a kill on me... Too bad it never works for me though.. 8(
kappa
Hiya Kappa, yes I have wondered how this thread and other threads I am involved in go un-censored myself. ;)
As far as the exiting thing goes, I am of the same opinion. The game provides for it, only a fool would not use a function provided by the game to save yourself. How sitting there and taking your demise is somehow more noble than 'landing' to avoid it is beyond me. I agree that it is not terribly realistic, but it's just a game, therefore there is a constant compromise between realism and playability. People appearing as if by magic in planes predictably at take-off spots is not very realistic either, but I do not see anyone refusing to vulch them out of this same dubious sense of honor.
There's alot of hypocricy on these boards, but that's a subject for a later discussion.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Hiya Kappa, yes I have wondered how this thread and other threads I am involved in go un-censored myself. ;)
Zazen
Maybe because HT likens you to Voss? You have to admit you ARE both full of it. I mean that in the nicest way of course. ;)
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You are such a windbag Zazen. Getting claustrophobic in here... I cant see over your wall of text.
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Originally posted by DipStick
Maybe because HT likens you to Voss? You have to admit you ARE both full of it. I mean that in the nicest way of course. ;)
Ummm NOT! ;)
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Originally posted by Octavius
You are such a windbag Zazen. Getting claustrophobic in here... I cant see over your wall of text.
This is a thread that bears my name, of course I'm going to be a very active participant. ;)
Zazen