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Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: nopoop on September 11, 2004, 08:37:11 PM
I've stayed out of this mess. But after a couple of weeks of the "experiment" I've got some input.

Everyone has a "Game breaker". I've got mine. I left a game after 5 years because of it. For me it was Axis/Allied and an RPS.

The hook here was to fly "anything you want, anytime you want".

I don't fly a hell of alot, spend more time doing things related to this game then playing it. When I do I'm a furballer. I just want a good fight. I like midwar planes. Give me a fight and I'm happy. If there's a fight I'll find it.

Sure I *****ed about the fuel porkage, I ***** about the hordes, I ***** about timid pilots but in the end NONE of those things to me are "Game breakers".

This game rocks. The new experiment doesn't affect me AT ALL.

But I don't like what I'm seeing here.

This game as it "was" was driven by the war gamers. Makes no sense to me, I'm old school but they are many, and they are devoted to the continual pursuit of winning the war that never ends.

It was driven by those people. LOTS of them. It was the engine that made the arena dynamic, ever changing.

With the adjustments of AHII fuel porkage values and the addition of plane restrictions it has in effect stifled the engine that makes the arena "go".

Those people that are vital parts of the engine that makes the arena go are coming face to face with a "Game breaker".

That's not good. That's obvious. Got some good people I know who LOVED this game looking elsewhere.

Some reassessment is in order.

If the D was my ride, I'd be lookin too.

Two Centavo's from a furballer who wouldn't get caught dead in a pretty ponie..



( Arlo, please spare me )
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Nomak on September 11, 2004, 08:51:33 PM
This may help you out Poop........


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00018RR6G/ref=pd_rhf_p_3/104-2806115-5188717?v=glance&s=videogames&n=229594&no=*
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: beet1e on September 11, 2004, 08:53:36 PM
...heard the drum roll, was waiting for the cymbal crash - it never came.


:confused:
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: nopoop on September 11, 2004, 09:11:07 PM
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Originally posted by beet1e
...heard the drum roll, was waiting for the cymbal crash - it never came.


:confused:


That's because beet, you travel to the beat of a different drummer..

..and like we don't  know that :)

Nomak, I'm VERY happy where I am. Did the IL-2 thing a couple of years back. Not enough people.

People is where it's at.

I'm all for population. The more there is, the happier I am. Population is a "Game breaker" for me. The biggest of them all.

I'll deal with "my" stuff. I'm just fine. Let there be people.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Nomak on September 11, 2004, 09:19:01 PM
FYI there are 395 players on hyperlobby playing IL2 FB Ace Expansion right now.  :aok
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: NUKE on September 11, 2004, 09:21:46 PM
Whats the max player limit per game?
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Steve on September 11, 2004, 09:22:29 PM
I've taken the last 6 or 8 weeks off so I'm not up to speed on this but it sounds like a really bad idea.  Maybe I got lucky w/ numbers but I logged in, killed 5 in my D pony, landed and logged.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: DarkNet on September 11, 2004, 09:24:00 PM
nopoop

You hit it on the head.  The game is loosing it's momentum.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: nopoop on September 11, 2004, 09:24:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NUKE
Whats the max player limit per game?


Thirty two when I played.

Steve YA BASSSSTAGE.

Whusssssup ??
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: United on September 11, 2004, 09:27:36 PM
nopoop, Ive found out that flying now isnt very fun, so I switched to alternatives.  As you've seen, I skin planes (not too well at that), I've taken on the squadron spotlight, and I also have discovered some other games.

Im the same way as you, dont fly often, but when i do I want a big furball.

If you stick to skinning or other things, you wont burn out, but you'll be around for when the game gets to your liking. :)
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Steve on September 11, 2004, 09:29:19 PM
hiya Poopy!  Been playin JO mostly.    Back to the game I love though.


 :)
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Nomak on September 11, 2004, 09:31:40 PM
Heyas Poop I was just throwin that out there as an alternative (Shrug)

Its working for me.

It just sounded like you had enough thats all.  Obviously thats not the case.

shutting up now

Dave
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: nopoop on September 11, 2004, 09:44:55 PM
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Originally posted by United
so I switched to alternatives.  


I've always done alternatives. Last few years my flying time is a fraction of the total that I spend on game related stuff. If it wasn't for the flightsim I wouldn't have discovered all the other stuff related that I enjoy.

The game feeds all the side stuff.

Glad your back steve, ya pony dweeb..
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: nopoop on September 11, 2004, 09:58:15 PM
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Originally posted by Nomak
It just sounded like you had enough thats all.  Obviously thats not the case


No problem Nomak  Everyone searches in this flightsim thing for the comfortable spot. I've done my searchin thing. IL-2 can be a blast.

I'm comfee here. But lately I've had visions of where I was once a couple of years back and seeing the first steps of what was done there...here..

Just throwing up a flag.

..a I'M HAVING VISIONS OF SOMETHING I'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH AND DON'T CARE TO GO THROUGH AGAIN kinda thing..

As in.."Fly any plane you like, anytime you like"

That's why people hooked in..

BIG PLUS

Well, it got me here. And all this turmoil doesn't affect me with my chosen ride.

So with me, I have no axe to grind.

Just a heads up to why alot of people signed on in the first place :)
Title: Re: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Arlo on September 11, 2004, 10:52:17 PM
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Originally posted by nopoop
( Arlo, please spare me )


From what? :lol
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Furious on September 11, 2004, 11:04:17 PM
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Originally posted by nopoop
...As in.."Fly any plane you like, anytime you like"

That's why people hooked in..

BIG PLUS...


You know what?  You still can.

...but, I agree that AH is losing its shine.  You wanna know what is souring me to AH?  No?  I'll tell ya anyway.

It's the whiney, crying, foot stompers.  I find it distasteful to play with 'em.  This last change proved to what extent the player base is made of people who will fall on the floor and pitch a fit  in the toy department.

Imagine if you saw similar tantrums in a pool hall or in a pickup game of football or softball or any other game played face-to-face.  Would you still want to play with those people?  I wouldn't and don't.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: nopoop on September 11, 2004, 11:04:44 PM
I sincerly thank you from the bottom of my heart Arlo..

The check is in the mail :D
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: MOIL on September 11, 2004, 11:05:43 PM
And they told me to just quit complaining, shut up go somewhere else, HTC knows what it's doing, everyone here is happy it's just you Moil......................... ............................. ............................. .

Yeah, it's just me alright,  things here like a well oiled machine:confused:
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: nopoop on September 11, 2004, 11:21:11 PM
..and on the other hand Furious has a REALLY good point..

But your messin with my mediating skills ya basstage..

Nice robe by the way. Please be seated in the hall of elders.

So is it better the way it is, with the great nashing of teeth then before, when for the most part the community was a bunch of *****in happy campers ???
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Arlo on September 11, 2004, 11:25:57 PM
Neh ... there was always beechin and moanin .... it just finally moved around enough to reveal that over a third of the community is capable of it at any given moment. Considering how many AH players aren't X gen ... that's kinda high.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: beet1e on September 12, 2004, 12:35:48 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Furious
...but, I agree that AH is losing its shine.  You wanna know what is souring me to AH?  No?  I'll tell ya anyway.

It's the whiney, crying, foot stompers.  I find it distasteful to play with 'em.  This last change proved to what extent the player base is made of people who will fall on the floor and pitch a fit  in the toy department.

Imagine if you saw similar tantrums in a pool hall or in a pickup game of football or softball or any other game played face-to-face.  Would you still want to play with those people?  I wouldn't and don't.
BOOM BOOM! Nopoop, please note. I don't know about your drum, but I travel to the drum beat of Furious.

Very well said, Furious. Those are entirely my feelings too. A tad long for a sig. under the new rules, else I'd be off to edit it right now.
:aok
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Zazen13 on September 12, 2004, 01:46:22 AM
Well, as we all know I am a statistics watcher. I have been taking arena number samplings across all time zones as compared to before the ENY implimentation. If overall arena numbers are any indication of lost subscriptions, HTC has made a tremendous business blunder with the ENY implimentation. I have no idea how many numbers whiners cancelled but I never saw anything but a steady INCREASE in total arena population up until the ENY implimentation.

After the ENY implimentation there was a sudden and dramatic plummet in MA numbers across all times zones for all three countries. So, I wouldn't go shopping for a new game just yet. ;) I think the big ENY experiment failed abysmally and it'll either be removed entirely, tweaked to the point of being inconsequential or replaced entirely by a system that creatively enhances gameplay options rather than curtails them.

Zazen
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: ET on September 12, 2004, 05:42:48 AM
nopoop. That was the fairest analysis of a game situation that I have seen in a long time on the BBS.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: LLv34_Camouflage on September 12, 2004, 05:46:59 AM
I agree with NoPoop.  The increased hardness of the towns has made base capture much harder. This means that the frontline doesnt move as fast, resulting in a less dynamic arena.

Quote
Originally posted by NUKE
Whats the max player limit per game?


64 player limit on "Virtualpilots_1".  Accessible through Hyperlobby and direct ip "vlen.telija.net".

Camo
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Dead Man Flying on September 12, 2004, 08:16:42 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
I think the big ENY experiment failed abysmally and it'll either be removed entirely, tweaked to the point of being inconsequential or replaced entirely by a system that creatively enhances gameplay options rather than curtails them.


I don't see how you can say that the ENY "experiment" failed.  Except for Sunday nights, it has brought a much greater degree of arena balance to Aces High, which was its intention.  In that respect, it succeeded quite well.

Perhaps HTC views these sorts of things in the long-term.  Most of the whiners who took their balls and went home would have left anyway in the next year for one reason or another.  Soon they'll be replaced by players who have never known anything but the ENY limiter.  In a year, the numbers probably won't be much different than they were right before the ENY limiter -- except that the arena will enjoy a greater degree of side balancing.  Since we don't know things like the number of new users per day and the retention rate of those users over time, you cannot say that this "experiment" has failed at all.  If the retention rate increased as a result of side balancing, then HTC wins in the end.

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 12, 2004, 08:36:15 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Well, as we all know I am a statistics watcher. I have been taking arena number samplings across all time zones as compared to before the ENY implimentation. If overall arena numbers are any indication of lost subscriptions, HTC has made a tremendous business blunder with the ENY implimentation. I have no idea how many numbers whiners cancelled but I never saw anything but a steady INCREASE in total arena population up until the ENY implimentation.

After the ENY implimentation there was a sudden and dramatic plummet in MA numbers across all times zones for all three countries. So, I wouldn't go shopping for a new game just yet. ;) I think the big ENY experiment failed abysmally and it'll either be removed entirely, tweaked to the point of being inconsequential or replaced entirely by a system that creatively enhances gameplay options rather than curtails them.

Zazen


 Im not a stat watcher. But I do watch the numbers in the arenas
 I have to agree.
During a time of year when numbers should be going up in the arenas during primetime, They've been going down. And there has been a noticeable difference.
A good example is the small maps. Used to be the small maps were too small for the numbers that were on. Now as much as I love em, I cant even make an argument for the large maps because the skies just arent that crowded in the small maps to warrant them.
While I dont  think the Eny thing is the only reason for the numbers drop I DO think its the combination of things that were changed in the game and it is probably the single largest thing.

 Among other changes First we lost a chunk due to the new game. That was to be expected. Not everyone feels the game is important enough to get a new machine for and Im sure a TON of people are on very tight budgets and just simply couldnt do it.
 Then there was the changed to the base porkability which as much as it was moaned about alot of people really enjoyed. it was "their" fun
 Now the ENY thing may be just the straw that broke the camels back.

  Now the eny thing doesnt effect me one single bit.
but I just dont beleive people should be outright denied the plane they like to fly.
 Numbers are going down not up thats for sure. And to that extent the Eny thing is working. But I dont quite think this is what HTC had in mind when they decided to implement it

There is a whole host of things that could have been done in both the base porkability issue and the Horde.
 Which are probably the two largest reasons for people giving up.

 A host of options none of which was implemented. That could have done more to add to the immersion of the game rather then taking away from it which is exactly what was done
 A host of things that would have had almost the same effect strived for and added to the realism and thus the immersion at the same time.
Instead it was chosen to do things that would no longer allow people to have "their fun". And once your fun is gone whats left to keep you here? Then playing the game becomes pointless. So people leave.
And thats exactly what we're seeing
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 12, 2004, 08:51:26 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I don't see how you can say that the ENY "experiment" failed.  Except for Sunday nights, it has brought a much greater degree of arena balance to Aces High, which was its intention.  In that respect, it succeeded quite well.

-- Todd/Leviathn


I respectfully dissagree.
I have seen very little  difference in arena balance Ratio wise.
What I HAVE seen is fewer people on.
The other night for example only 1 country of the 3 had more then 100 players on during primtime.
I forget which country had which but the numbers were like 120 ,75 82
Ratio wasnt much different then it normally is but the numbers up were very different to what I'm used to
An oddity I think that is becomming more and more common.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: SlapShot on September 12, 2004, 09:26:58 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Well, as we all know I am a statistics watcher. I have been taking arena number samplings across all time zones as compared to before the ENY implimentation. If overall arena numbers are any indication of lost subscriptions, HTC has made a tremendous business blunder with the ENY implimentation. I have no idea how many numbers whiners cancelled but I never saw anything but a steady INCREASE in total arena population up until the ENY implimentation.

After the ENY implimentation there was a sudden and dramatic plummet in MA numbers across all times zones for all three countries. So, I wouldn't go shopping for a new game just yet. ;) I think the big ENY experiment failed abysmally and it'll either be removed entirely, tweaked to the point of being inconsequential or replaced entirely by a system that creatively enhances gameplay options rather than curtails them.

Zazen


Prove it ... show us your number samplings from across all time zones. Let's see the numbers ... post 'em if ya got 'em.

Furious ... you are a wise and insightful man.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: DipStick on September 12, 2004, 09:41:48 AM
Furious if you stop reading this BB and do not tune to channel 200, your problems are solved.... next. ;)
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: dracon on September 12, 2004, 10:21:50 AM
Furious

I love the mentality dude!

"Take it on the chin, don't protest nothing, don't stand up for anything.  OMFG!  I might look bad or weak or somebody might see me or question me.  Somebody may not like my shoes. Oh my! Oh my!

Yeppers and if things were left to people with that mentality.....we'd all be speakin' German!

No tantrums dude....Just stand up for what I believe.  Try it it's soul clensing.  Makes ya feel good about yerself.

Baaahhhh!
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Zazen13 on September 12, 2004, 10:32:39 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I don't see how you can say that the ENY "experiment" failed.  Except for Sunday nights, it has brought a much greater degree of arena balance to Aces High, which was its intention.  In that respect, it succeeded quite well.

Perhaps HTC views these sorts of things in the long-term.  Most of the whiners who took their balls and went home would have left anyway in the next year for one reason or another.  Soon they'll be replaced by players who have never known anything but the ENY limiter.  In a year, the numbers probably won't be much different than they were right before the ENY limiter -- except that the arena will enjoy a greater degree of side balancing.  Since we don't know things like the number of new users per day and the retention rate of those users over time, you cannot say that this "experiment" has failed at all.  If the retention rate increased as a result of side balancing, then HTC wins in the end.

-- Todd/Leviathn


Todd, you're missing the point, whether it's making the sides more even or not isn't the point. It's losing HTC customers and money. That is a business failure. There's many ways to enhance balance that don't lose you a hefty chunk of your customers, the ENY system is clearly NOT it. ;)
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Zazen13 on September 12, 2004, 10:33:37 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SlapShot
Prove it ... show us your number samplings from across all time zones. Let's see the numbers ... post 'em if ya got 'em.

Furious ... you are a wise and insightful man.


I didn't take screen shots, I just wrote them down. If you don't believe me, track them yourself...

Zazen
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: jpeg on September 12, 2004, 10:35:54 AM
DREDIOCK: You have missplled Athlon in your sig.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: detch01 on September 12, 2004, 11:01:26 AM
nopoop, I agree completely. Add in the fact that AH has always lacked the sort of community involvement in the day2day of the game like the [AWAR] people in AirWarrior (may it rest in peace). No heavy-handed policing, no hidden monitors, just the old gals/guys looking after and out for the young gals/guys and keeping the arenas civil with the authority to fix/stop the minor things and set the standard of behaviour required.  A lot of the "behavioural problems" in the game is the result of a very fairly large and rapid increase in the game population with no systems or resources in place to handle the influx. Right now the population base in the game is dropping but I doubt that will be a permanent thing.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Arlo on September 12, 2004, 11:05:59 AM
Quote
Originally posted by dracon
....Just stand up for what I believe.  Try it it's soul clensing.  Makes ya feel good about yerself.
 


Seems he is. You can't tell? :D
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Arlo on September 12, 2004, 11:07:33 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Todd, you're missing the point, whether it's making the sides more even or not isn't the point. It's losing HTC customers and money. That is a business failure. There's many ways to enhance balance that don't lose you a hefty chunk of your customers, the ENY system is clearly NOT it. ;)


Well I don't think your business advice would benefit him nearly as much as you teaching him how to make a bundle playing 9 ball with a broomstick. ;)
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Morpheus on September 12, 2004, 11:31:03 AM
Quote
Originally posted by beet1e
...heard the drum roll, was waiting for the cymbal crash - it never came.


:confused:


This coming from someone Nopoop that aught to tell someone something...

I'd hope.

People somewhere better wake up. Its not just a whine. Its the truth. Keep ignoring it and its going to hurt real bad.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Arlo on September 12, 2004, 11:32:49 AM
Quote
Originally posted by MoRphEuS
People somewhere better wake up. Its not just a whine. Its the truth. Keep ignoring it and its going to hurt real bad.


Sky .... falling ... bad. Gotcha. :)
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Morpheus on September 12, 2004, 11:39:32 AM
yes
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: dracon on September 12, 2004, 12:12:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Seems he is. You can't tell? :D


Odd then?  Why ever should he mock others for doing likewise?  Makes little sense here?

Fortunately, I have never forced him to play Aces High with me!  I promise I never will...Honest!

Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Dead Man Flying on September 12, 2004, 12:14:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
It's losing HTC customers and money. That is a business failure. There's many ways to enhance balance that don't lose you a hefty chunk of your customers, the ENY system is clearly NOT it. ;)


You cannot honestly state this with certainty, as you do not know upon which numbers HTC based its decision to change the game dynamics.  You cannot base your statements on anything said in the forums since the players here constitute a very small and unrepresentative sample of the arena population.  Even the complainers (or advocates) of the ENY policy on the open channels do not represent the actual game population.

It's possible that the ENY limiter was a catastrophic goof, but it's also possible that it was in response to more invisible trends such as the rate of retention for new players or the length of time that new subcribers stay in the game.  Those sorts of trends would ultimately make or break AH in the long run rather than some folks huffing off who will probably return anyway.

Again, I don't know if that's the case, but I suspect that more than just whining by the "minority" led to the plane limiter.

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: SlapShot on September 12, 2004, 12:17:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
I didn't take screen shots, I just wrote them down. If you don't believe me, track them yourself...

Zazen


I didn't ask for screen shots ... I asked to see your numbers.

Again ... if ya got'em ... show'em ... for all to see.

Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Todd, you're missing the point, whether it's making the sides more even or not isn't the point. It's losing HTC customers and money. That is a business failure. There's many ways to enhance balance that don't lose you a hefty chunk of your customers, the ENY system is clearly NOT it.


Quote
Originally posted by detch01
... Right now the population base in the game is dropping but I doubt that will be a permanent thing.


Is there some sort of data that the two of you have access to that the rest of the world doesn't, or are you basing these assumption on the amount of "I quit" post that we have seen recently.

If it is on the latter ... nice try ... if not, then tell us where you are getting the numbers to back up your claims of "business failure" and "population dropping".
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: SunKing on September 12, 2004, 12:32:23 PM
here comes your curve ball.

Some of us actually enjoy the game these days. I'm having a blast. I find the new FM challenging ( especially the 190 gunnery) ,the new terrrian refreshing and these whines comical. Since I fly mostly early war I am unaffected by the Eny rules. But I don't see how some players have to only fly the best late war plane or have a fit. There are a ton of planes that bring so much variety to the game. Change is good. Just grab another ride, how hard is that. No I don't want a rabbit.
Title: Re: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: beet1e on September 12, 2004, 12:40:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by nopoop
Everyone has a "Game breaker". I've got mine. I left a game after 5 years because of it. For me it was Axis/Allied and an RPS.
But Poopie, there was a reason for that RPS. It gave the early war aficionados the chance to fight with their early war planes without getting jumped by planes like the P51/Spit9 etc. (Thank Cod there was no LA7) The RPS was three weeks long, and I personally favoured the middle week. Remember how it was on that last day? A full 60% of the planes in the MA would be Me262. Were it not for the AH perk system, it would be the same here. As it is, planes like the 109E and Spit1a are all but useless in an arena dominated by ponies and lalas.

As for Axis/Allied, it was a good idea but was flawed because not all planes that existed in WW2 were modelled. There was no Heinkel 111 for example. The RPS supposedly did its best but it was impossible to provide balance throughout the tour. As I recall, there were about 3 days when the Spit9 came out to counter the 190A4, and at all other times one side had an advantage over the other. So guess what happened? People switched sides to get the best plane available. :rolleyes:

But I agree with you. That particular RPS (peril's RPS) was bad news, and played no small part in why I left shortly before you did.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: DuBe on September 12, 2004, 01:20:38 PM
I gotta agree with Zazen, DREDIOCK, and some of the others. For me personally, and from a pure "desire to play an online flightsim" perspective the initial concept of "fly whatever you want, whenever you want" is a major hook. What I found to be the major appeal of this game (and, at least one of it's predecessors) was the fact that there were very few rules, and that the gameplay situation used to evolve almost organically. Sometimes the chips were down, but hey, sometimes they were up. They challenge of gameplay was constantly evolving. What didn't change was the ability to do whatever the heck you wanted in whatever ride to wanted in response to the situation.

This is the 1st time I've chimed in on this topic, and probably will be the last. Usually when I'm dissatisfied with a product, I simply cease buying it. However, I also derive tremendous satisfaction from things that are peripheral to the on-line flying here. Things like working with the squad I'm involved with. So here I remain. If not for the squad, and the friendships that have come with that, I might be more inclined to cancel. Judging from Zazen's numbers it seems many others are struggling with the same descision. (I've seen in a general way the decrease in participation he alludes to) The danger here for HTC is a lot more cut and dry than many have eluded to here. For alot of pilots in AH, it's likely to be a very simple consumer descision: "If I like the product, I'll buy it. If I don't, I won't anymore." Forget about the whining, It can be very misleading as to the success or failure of any of Dale's decisions. Arena participation and cancelled subscriptions are the litmus test.

Good luck to all.

!
DuBe
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: nopoop on September 12, 2004, 03:09:51 PM
One important fact that we are not privy too is the questionaire filled out when one closes an account.

There's a whole lot we don't know. I'm just gauging my response to what I have access too.

So it's all just conjecture. Who knows, a pile of closed accounts may have sighted play balance as a reason for leaving.

Personally I have no problem finding a good fight now. I can't say that was the case before the changes. So from my vantage it works well.

But numbers is my breaker. If the finger does need to be put in the dike, stick it in.

If it doesn't ?? Cool.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Zazen13 on September 12, 2004, 03:35:21 PM
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Originally posted by DuBe
I gotta agree with Zazen, DREDIOCK, and some of the others. For me personally, and from a pure "desire to play an online flightsim" perspective the initial concept of "fly whatever you want, whenever you want" is a major hook. What I found to be the major appeal of this game (and, at least one of it's predecessors) was the fact that there were very few rules, and that the gameplay situation used to evolve almost organically. Sometimes the chips were down, but hey, sometimes they were up. They challenge of gameplay was constantly evolving. What didn't change was the ability to do whatever the heck you wanted in whatever ride to wanted in response to the situation.

This is the 1st time I've chimed in on this topic, and probably will be the last. Usually when I'm dissatisfied with a product, I simply cease buying it. However, I also derive tremendous satisfaction from things that are peripheral to the on-line flying here. Things like working with the squad I'm involved with. So here I remain. If not for the squad, and the friendships that have come with that, I might be more inclined to cancel. Judging from Zazen's numbers it seems many others are struggling with the same descision. (I've seen in a general way the decrease in participation he alludes to) The danger here for HTC is a lot more cut and dry than many have eluded to here. For alot of pilots in AH, it's likely to be a very simple consumer descision: "If I like the product, I'll buy it. If I don't, I won't anymore." Forget about the whining, It can be very misleading as to the success or failure of any of Dale's decisions. Arena participation and cancelled subscriptions are the litmus test.

Good luck to all.

!
DuBe


Very good post Dube! Don't be a stranger in these forums, we need more rational, cool heads in here! It helps counter-act the irrational, hot-headed fan boys!

Zazen
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Furious on September 12, 2004, 03:43:46 PM
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Originally posted by dracon
...Yeppers and if things were left to people with that mentality.....we'd all be speakin' German!...


Do you see the stupidity in correlating a side balancing scheme in a video game to nazi germany conquering the world?  I do.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Muckmaw1 on September 12, 2004, 05:27:32 PM
Ah is getting tired, and I don't know why, for me.

I hardly play anymore.

It's not like a conquered anything. Maybe I', just outgrowing it, or maybe it's because there is nothing new to the gameplay.

*shrugs*
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Kev367th on September 12, 2004, 07:00:05 PM
Still think we lose/lost more people to -

1) Needing new hardware.
2) Lack of change in gameplay, after all is it still really AH1 with a few bells and whistles.
3) Some people were expecting more from AH2 than has currently been delivered.
4) The numbers imbalance.

Without knowing numbers (only HT has) we will never know. You can say you check all times, but unless your on 24hrs day/7 days a week etc, your only getting a snapshot.
I seem to remember someone posting screenies showing supposedly why ENV wasn't working. On closer examination of field numbers, darbars etc, they turned out to be showing nothing of the sort.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: MOIL on September 12, 2004, 07:14:36 PM
Kev:
"Still think we lose/lost more people to -

1) Needing new hardware.
2) Lack of change in gameplay, after all is it still really AH1 with a few bells and whistles.
3) Some people were expecting more from AH2 than has currently been delivered.
4) The numbers imbalance"


1) This part I don't understand, sorry I just don't.
2) You noticed,  I knew I wasn't blind
3) Can ya blame them
4) Numbers will shift up & down anyways {IMO}

Good points tho
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Mugzeee on September 12, 2004, 09:14:04 PM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I respectfully dissagree.
I have seen very little  difference in arena balance Ratio wise.
What I HAVE seen is fewer people on.
The other night for example only 1 country of the 3 had more then 100 players on during primtime.
I forget which country had which but the numbers were like 120 ,75 82
Ratio wasnt much different then it normally is but the numbers up were very different to what I'm used to
An oddity I think that is becomming more and more common.

Same here dred.
It is more subdued in the MA. as soon as the eny sanctions are activated you will see players from the number advantage country logoff...NOT switching sides.
Im not sure about anyone else. But my Flight log is rather slim these days. Just getting tired of the complicated approach to the balance issue. It could be so much simpler.
Salute.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Kev367th on September 13, 2004, 04:04:40 AM
MOIL - I meant that we have, even albeit temporarily or permanently, lost people until they can afford to upgrade their current system.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: MOIL on September 13, 2004, 04:11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Kev367th
MOIL - I meant that we have, even albeit temporarily or permanently, lost people until they can afford to upgrade their current system.


Kev:
"1) Needing new hardware"


I see
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: 2Late4U on September 13, 2004, 06:09:38 PM
MA numbers are way down in the past few weeks.  We didnt lose very many in the AH2 conversion, at least not noticably so as the MA numbers continued to grow.  For two weeks numbers have been about 1 year ago quantities.

 We had to increase the MA limit to above 500 six months ago.  Last night (the dreaded Sunday), I never saw it above 450, and a few weeks ago it was typical to see 500+ without fail

Today at 7pm EST we are at 245.  Thats pretty low for prime time
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Blooz on September 13, 2004, 06:16:23 PM
It's school time again.

More time needed for study.

Less time for Aces High.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: beet1e on September 14, 2004, 02:01:43 AM
Did it occur to anyone that some people might have quit quietly once they'd realised that the composition of the AH player base includes a great many selfish a-holes, and that they have no desire to play alongside people like that?
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: NUKE on September 14, 2004, 02:03:43 AM
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Originally posted by beet1e
Did it occur to anyone that some people might have quit quietly once they'd realised that the composition of the AH player base includes a great many selfish a-holes, and that they have no desire to play alongside people like that?


how can one be "selfish" as an AH customer?
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: NUKE on September 14, 2004, 02:06:01 AM
This should be fun.
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: save on September 14, 2004, 02:41:46 AM
"But I agree with you. That particular RPS (peril's RPS) was bad news, and played no small part in why I left shortly before you did."

many new planes "over there" now including he111 and 4 new japanese fighters ( ki44 ki61 with cannons j2m2 j2m3)

rumors say we get more japanese and russian planes in future release.

Flight models are tweaked every version.
Problem is historical adversaries does not
update at the same time though.

New ETO kicks bellybutton ( thanks to steve and some other guys )
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Wotan on September 14, 2004, 02:47:02 AM
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Originally posted by beet1e
Did it occur to anyone that some people might have quit quietly once they'd realised that the composition of the AH player base includes a great many selfish a-holes, and that they have no desire to play alongside people like that?


Do I detect a bit of self-reflection?
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: Lazerus on September 14, 2004, 03:26:10 AM
Simple question: Would everyone be OK with a rolling perk scale instead of having the planes disabled?
Title: Until now I've never seen "Game breakers" here until now
Post by: TBolt A-10 on September 14, 2004, 03:34:08 AM
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Originally posted by Lazerus
Simple question: Would everyone be OK with a rolling perk scale instead of having the planes disabled?


please elaborate.