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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: daddog on September 11, 2004, 08:42:38 PM
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ZAPP
You were an ass. I asked you politely to clean up your language and you reacted like any punk would do and turned up the filth and trash coming out of your mouth.
You owe me and my 9 year old son an apology. Why should we have to turn off the range channel if we don’t want to hear F… this and F… that every other word? If I had my way you would be done flying in Aces High. You sure spoiled it for a dad and son who were simply trying to have a good time together in a hobby we share. Please come to the con. I will bring an extra bar of soap for your mouth. Ivory work ok for you?
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its just like the ch. 200 if u dont wanna hear it u dont have to listin. im not tryin to be an bellybutton but i dont think this game is right for a 9 year old cuz most the ppl that play are 18+ and do cuss on the radio ch. if u dont want ur son to hear that kind of language then i think u should find a better game to play with him or use that little squelch voice button for the ppl that u know cuss on the range ch.
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Bologny TrueKill,
why squelch it, all of it, in doing the squelch thing you are basically saying sure go ahead we condone the filthy vulgar language, we will just squelch it and you can carry on, and talk garbage as you please.
well so if you squelch the range vox channel, if it is doable, (I know you can squelch Channel 5 or the V channel , I not sure how to squelch the local range channel), you will not be able to hear anyone else or relay info back and forth, you can squelch a person per log in, but why should daddog, me, or anyone else have to continously squelch certian players everytime we log on so we don't have to hear this stuff?
Here is an Idea, act like you got some manners and was not raised by heathens, Aces High is no place for Filthy, vulgar language, a slip here or there is with in reason but to continously to blurt foul mouthed words out every other breath is not wanted here........I may be wrong but I would hope to think the majority in the game feel the same way. A slip or 2 is ok, but to do it day in and day out is unbecoming.........and if allowed to continue it will drag the standards of the AH community to a whle new low level......
so do you want it to be allowed? or do you want it stopped....except for an occassional slip up or 2 ?
but don't tell a paying customer/member they need to find some other game genre for them and their kid unless you are part of the HTC paid staff..to me that is flat out wrong, Any person here with kids has the right to let their kids do as they see fit, and noone here should tell another how a parent should mind their children......
If you had kids and I told you what you should do with them you would take offense I am sure............the situation is different when the shoe is on the other persons foot......
I am not angry TrueKill..I just making an opinionate Statement
oh yeah, why can you type Golly-gee in the text online ingame, but you can't type ****? ( <--was watermelon if it is stripped)
I mean, come on, the first is 10 times worse than the second to some if not most........
People in AH say the Old ( Vet ) players should lead and guide the newer players, how do you suppose we do this, if we can not even control the vulgar filthy language problems, and when others only reply on the boards or in the game is "just squelch them" all that does is say sure scum mouth go ahead is ok to talk that way.....
Film this stuff, and take snap shots ( Alt S = snapshot ) ( Alt R = film on ) and email it to
support@hitechcreations.com
just maybe if people who DO NOT condone this stuff take the time to make a film or snapshot and email it in, maybe HTC will see there is a problem and start suspending or banning people to get the message across.....
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Range channel is part of the game play, channel 200 is not. I don’t need channel 200 to warn guys about cons in different directions, or explain what targets to hit, or give specific directions to where the panzer is hiding near the field or tell what direction the buffs are coming from and how many fighters are wtih them. I do for the range channel. Oh well, yes I suppose I could type it all out just so other can spew thier filth and I would not have to listen to it. :rolleyes:
My son has an interest in WWII aircraft. It is only natural he would want to fly also. Why should I have to move on with him to some other sim because some players can’t keep their mouth civil or clean?
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Here is an Idea, act like you got some manners and was not raised by heathens
that kinda pisses me off there i cuss alot and just cuz i do doesnt mean i was rased by heathens AH is no place for a kid ur flyin around killin stuff and u complain about ppl cussin some ppl like me ,getsome and zapp screw around with ppl we know on the game and are good friends with and just like i said before with ch.200 theres ppl whinein and cussin on there if u dont wanna hear it dont listin.
you can squelch a person per log in, but why should daddog, me, or anyone else have to continously squelch certian players everytime we log on so we don't have to hear this stuff?
like i said before i like to cuss and y should i have to stop cussin just cuz some1 doesnt want to hear it just like ppl whinein i dont wanna hear it that dont mean ppl are just ganna stop cuz i say so.
but don't tell a paying customer/member they need to find some other game genre unless you are part of the HTC paid staff..to me that is flat out wrong, Any person here with kids has the right to let their kids do as they see fit, and noone here should tell another how a parent should mind their children......
same goes with cussin dont tell a payin customer how to talk if u dont like it squelch em that what its there for.
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Im sorry you and your son have to put up with this behavior. I believe pilots in WW2 allied or axis were mostly gentlemen, doing what they thought was right. Most were educated and this kind if language was for thugs and inbred social outcast.
They also had to answer to their peers for their behavior.
Being frustrated is no excuse, anger is no excuse, and low breeding is no excuse!
I hope to see you and SonDog up soon
Blutik
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human nature and you can't stop it. simple as that. all people have to vent frustration.
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Im sorry you and your son have to put up with this behavior. I believe pilots in WW2 allied or axis were mostly gentlemen, doing what they thought was right. Most were educated and this kind if language was for thugs and inbred social outcast.
lol iv seen many and i mean about 50-75 films of pilots mostly bomber gunners cussin alot just an ex. gunners in a b17 being attacked by FW190s "man that basterd came close" did u get hits on that son of a b**** thats all i can remember at this point but it goes on for another few mins one cuss word after another
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Originally posted by TrueKill
that kinda pisses me off there i cuss alot and just cuz i do doesnt mean i was rased by heathens AH is no place for a kid ur flyin around killin stuff and u complain about ppl cussin some ppl like me ,getsome and zapp screw around with ppl we know on the game and are good friends with and just like i said before with ch.200 theres ppl whinein and cussin on there if u dont wanna hear it dont listin.
like i said before i like to cuss and y should i have to stop cussin just cuz some1 doesnt want to hear it just like ppl whinein i dont wanna hear it that dont mean ppl are just ganna stop cuz i say so.
same goes with cussin dont tell a payin customer how to talk if u dont like it squelch em that what its there for.
well TrueKill,
first I told you I was not angry, and I also said it is not possible to squelch range vox, if you like flying with the cussing foul mouthed type people and you enjoy it so much , then why can you not pick a private channel and cuss on it, should the many have to type and squelch each individual cussing person each time they log on? You just said you like to partake in cussing in the game, so if you insist why not take it to a squad vox channel or a private vox channel, and try to keep it off of local range vox, text 200 is a point you have it is tuned to if people want it......
I thought hitechcreations developed this online sim for all, I did not know it was designed for adults only, as you stated AH is no place for a kid........
I myself as many others have asked individuals to please try and clean up there text or voicings before in polite ways.......
I see that you , and your cussing friends you named earlier are the new breed of AH......
you want it your way and to hell with everyone else that was here before you came and before your cussing friends came..........
I guess it might be time to cut this one loose and go find a more mature online flight sim, where people have character with their taunts, show dignity and respect to others, and don't insist on ruining the fun for others around them....by their imature childish antics...
last person told me they was 40 years old and could talk like they wanted too it was a free country, well it is crap like that, that has degraded this country.
I sure hope this thread don't get locked, and I would like to see someone from HTC respond to this thread with their opinion of what is acceptable and what is not......
maybe some in this game should go back and re read the TOS
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That's BS truekill.
Perhaps we should all keep our children from going to McD's because there is someone there who says, "I want a Big Mac...no f**k that, I want a quarter pounder, no f**k that I want a Big Mac."
It's called personal responsibilities. Just because you want to or feel like you can curse doesn't mean that it's someone else's responsibility to keep their kids away from where you curse.
Like it or not, AH is not a 'private' forum where everyone is just like you. There are children playing AH and it certainly isn't their 'fault' that they are there and hearing your language.
I didn't have a reason to go to the con anymore since Mr. Black has disappeared but I'll go now just to have Daddog's back.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
human nature and you can't stop it. simple as that. all people have to vent frustration.
He can vent all he wants to in the privacy of his own home. Doesn't mean he has to curse over vox. Especially when someone asks him not no because of young children.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
lol iv seen many and i mean about 50-75 films of pilots mostly bomber gunners cussin alot just an ex. gunners in a b17 being attacked by FW190s "man that basterd came close" did u get hits on that son of a b**** thats all i can remember at this point but it goes on for another few mins one cuss word after another
What does seeing films of actual people in actual wars have to due with justifying you cursing in a game????
Are you truly daft or just pretending?
YOU are not going to die because you didn't like the way the game played out. If you feel the need to curse then scream bloody hell in your home. That doesn't mean you need to push the button that sends it across the vox also.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
human nature and you can't stop it. simple as that. all people have to vent frustration.
WRONG Skull
I was a Sailor, at the time I cussed like a Sailor, but still, not around Mom, not infront of a Lady or my elders, and as I have grown older on slips hear and there....you can control it, you just got to want to control it.....
but some people do it because they think they are Kewl...big ole maucho men , you know like a youngster in school gigling when they say their first cuss word around their friends .........I am sure you can relate,
and as Drunky has stated, you can do it in your home, I would assume everylast one of us has done this, but we was coherent enough to know not to push the vox key to announce it to everyone, and some accidently do and they usually will apologize for it.....I know I cuss myself if I mess up and cause myself to get sent to the tower for a dump maneuver or mistake, but I try to make it a point not to announce it on local range or squad vox, not saying it has never happened, but it seldomly does only by accident....
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TC wait til you learn the school yard lingo.
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lol Skull,
I watched a report on the Today show about the new lingo, and my fifteen yr old daughter keeps me posted......
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I see that you , and your cussing friends you named earlier are the new breed of AH......you want it your way and to hell with everyone else that was here before you came and before your cussing friends came..........
well iv been playin AH for just over 3 1/2 years and iv always cussed most of it on squad vox the most common this i say on range vox is "oh thats fuggin BS" and thats not that much. and iv heard ppl that have been playin alot longer then i have cuss over open channel i mean most of us are grown men if we wanna cuss then we are ganna cuss only thing thats ganna stop us is that if HTC bans us and untill that day comes then we are ganna keep on cussin.
Perhaps we should all keep our children from going to McD's because there is someone there who says, "I want a Big Mac...no f**k that, I want a quarter pounder, no f**k that I want a Big Mac."
is McD's a place where mostly grown ppl come online and shootdown planes and if ppl cuss on it and ur kid heres it i see no problem cuz if he can here it at McD's then y cant he here it here i mean ppl cuss they have the right to after all its a free country if they didnt what u to say what u want the y is it there freedom of speech.
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It all comes down to showin alittle class TrueKill.
Obviously class isn't high on your list.
Trying to justify it only makes it more laughable.
Age and class do not go hand in hand.
So..
You either choose to have some class, or you don't.
Loose language is something that has it's place.
Online here it doesn't for the reasons already stated.
Your a big guy, you got some brains. I really think that curbing language on Vox isn't too much to ask. I mean you have to go so far as to hit the mike button to share your wisdom. Hitting the mike button is your "think about it" pause..
You don't think about it ???
You should.
We're all watchin.
Balls in your court.
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Cllass online lol. you can't even put a face on someone online lol.
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TrueKill...........
I guess you would be upset if your point of view is turned down ........
I mean you keep say it is free speech and all....and you have a right to use language like this on local range vox, now saying BS most wouldn't have a problem with it, unless you did it continously, the F word though is too much.....most would prob ask you to clean it up......
but then again you say it is ok, because you are in Aces High online game and it is a free country and you have right to free speech so you are allowed to continously use F word bombs at your discretion for all to hear unless they squelch you..........
Thank you american schools & parents for teaching individuals it is alright to say any filthy derrogatory word when ever they please , where ever they please with out consideration of others....
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Originally posted by TrueKill
that kinda pisses me off there i cuss alot and just cuz i do doesnt mean i was rased by heathens AH is no place for a kid ur flyin around killin stuff and u complain about ppl cussin
Here is where you are totally wrong, and show your true colors. If someone asks you to NOT curse, show some respect, and dont'. BOTTOM line. There really is no other option. Failure to do so DOES show how you were "raised", or at the least shows how much "class" you have. A father including his child in his hobby should be commended, and he should not have to scramble for the speaker volume because "some" people don't understand what is and isn't "appropriate".
like i said before i like to cuss and y should i have to stop cussin just cuz some1 doesnt want to hear it just like ppl whinein i dont wanna hear it that dont mean ppl are just ganna stop cuz i say so.]
You shouldn't cuss on range vox because it IS rude, and inappropriate. If you are asked to stop, you should immediatly apologise, and STOP. To do anything else is rude, and wrong.
same goes with cussin dont tell a payin customer how to talk if u dont like it squelch em that what its there for.
How long do you think it would take you to get booted if Skuzzy or HT was in vox range and heard you cussin' up a storm, asked to stop, and you kept going? I would THINK you had sense enough to know that cursing is NOT acceptable behavior (DUH! why you get muted if you TYPE inappropriate words) in AH, and if your asked to stop, you should stop, and apologise.
This is FAIRLY simply thing to understand. Don't quite know how you are having a tough time with it. HT doesn't allow cursing. As of late it's been somewhat overlooked, but that does not mean they condone it. Far from it. Send 'em a film of you cussin' out someone and you'll get kicked out. Period.
Try and show some maturity here. This is pretty basic stuff. I cuss all the time. I have have the good taste to understand when it is considered APPROPRIATE though, and in an online sim it isn't. Nor at church, or my kids school, generally not at work, hmmm.... do I need to email you a list of when it's considered "crass" to spew vulgarities? You said you were not raised by heathens, ok, then act like it.
Daddog, sorry to hear about the jerk you ran into. Next time simply .squelch 'em. WTG on including your kids. Mine love to watch me fly as well.
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like skull said class online thats like ppl talkin about honor in AH its a frickin game there no honor in playin a game. oh and just to let yall know when ppl say there kid is in the room or sitin down watch i dont cuss i clean it up and only say good things but when theres only grown ppl around i let it fly but once and a while someone asks me to clean it up abit and i try to it might slip out from time to time but hey we're not perfect
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Cllass online lol. you can't even put a face on someone online lol
Class needs no venue. Needs no income bracket, nor a profession or a specific geographical residence.
It just is.
You know it when you see it. And more importantly you know it when you don't.
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you guys do realize (except for shane) that there is a difference between RL and AH don't you?
please refer to the picutre i tried to post.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
like skull said class online thats like ppl talkin about honor in AH its a frickin game there no honor in playin a game. oh and just to let yall know when ppl say there kid is in the room or sitin down watch i dont cuss i clean it up and only say good things but when theres only grown ppl around i let it fly but once and a while someone asks me to clean it up abit and i try to it might slip out from time to time but hey we're not perfect
I think he is starting to come around, his replys are swaying the other way now
there is Honor in AH, you may have played AH 3 1/2 yrs but if you can not see 1 ounce of Honor, you have not progressed to that level that some possess.....the Honor has slipped some though in the last 4 years.....
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wong. No Honor in AH once again Internet though guy.
AH is not Real life. As in there is no honor, ,class.
we are all Internet "though guys"
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
you guys do realize (except for shane) that there is a difference between RL and AH don't you?
please refer to the picutre i tried to post.
Yes Skull..reallife.work hard, pay bills, get yelled at by wife, get divorced , pay child support, get grey hair, start losing hair..
AH.....I am an 1337 pile - it and I can smoke you every flight/fite want to DUELZ? I am having funz
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i dont see honor in the game and i never will its only a game
oh BTW fug watermelon bastege MF BS :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Originally posted by TrueKill
is McD's a place where mostly grown ppl come online and shootdown planes and if ppl cuss on it and ur kid heres it i see no problem cuz if he can here it at McD's then y cant he here it here i mean ppl cuss they have the right to after all its a free country if they didnt what u to say what u want the y is it there freedom of speech.
That's just stupid. I started to erase what I typed but then couldn't find another way to express it properly.
First it would appear that you are saying it is okay to curse because this is an online community and mostly adults come here to shoot down planes.
Second you seem to think it's okay to curse in a public forum such as McD's.
Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing but it does have ramifications. You ARE gauranteed the right of free speech. You are NOT gauranteed from the reprocutions of said free speech.
Third, this is not a public forum and your right to free speech is not gauranteed here. This is a private game. Yes, you pay for the privelage to play the game on HTC's servers but that right can be refused at any time.
Daddog is an extremely respected member of the community and I think you will find that most of the people that have supported and played AH through the years will side with him. To play arrogant with his simple request does not make you look good.
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Turekill
Once you get a real job you will find that habit… unwise. ;)
Even with your current habit, once you have kids, trust me, your behavior will change. Even if you resist the changes, the kids mother will have her own way to persuade you other wise. ;)
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And like you never Cuss Drunky :D .
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
wong. No Honor in AH once again Internet though guy.
AH is not Real life. As in there is no honor, ,class.
we are all Internet "though guys"
ok, I am not going to argue with you, grasshoppa, I guess all that stuff past me by in them other sims, Honor, loyalty, respect, dignity, courage, cllass (thx nopoop) and the lot of it all.......... it was an illusion I was invisioning in regards to it being here in AH my bad.......
maybe some here understand what I am trying to say.......
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What purpose does cussing really solve? I understand that people get angry and cuss. Heck, I cuss every once in a while, and Ill be the first to admit it. But, ill make darn sure that I dont hit the VOX button while Im doing it. Its very simple: If you're going to cuss, don't hit T or F12.
TrueKill, even if AH is just a game, its not an invitation to swear at people you dont know and probably never will know. I don't know about anyone else, but first impressions are a big thing for me. If I see a new name on the range channel, and the first thing out of their mouth is profanity, Im not going to want to be around that person, much less help them when they ask. Some people, such as daddog, would like to keep their children away from profanity and things of that sort. Yes, they will be exposed to it one way or another, but why would you want to say things like that, especially after being asked to stop? What purpose does it serve to deliberately ignore a person's simple request?
Its these things that drove me away from flying online. People not having any respect for other people. Yes, they do appear just as planes and names, but remember: there are real people sitting on the other side of the screen.
But really, it is a simple thing. If you're going to cuss, don't hit the VOX key. Its a very simple task, and an even simpler request to stop.
So please, don't cuss. There is no purpose to it, no benefits from it, and all it will do is get you disliked and unwanted.
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Daddag is an extremely respected member of the community
yea i respect daddog i think iv flown with him be4
Even with your current habit, once you have kids, trust me, your behavior will change. Even if you resist the chances, the kids mother will have her own way to persuade you other wise.
hehe theres alway ur hand LOL
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
And like you never Cuss Drunky :D .
I do and sometimes in the wrong place at the wrong time.
When I do it in the wrong circumstances and it's pointed out then I apologize and try not to do it again. I don't tell someone to F-themselves over it and then defend myself using the 'It's my Freedom of Speech' arguement. Especially when children are involved.
To say that they will hear it anyways is a cop-out IMO. If everyone takes that opinion, then yes, every child will hear curse words then.
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im tyred of arguing tonight im just ganna go play
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Truekill,
Favor me and answer this.
Why can't you curse in the luxury of your own home? Why do you feel the need to push the button and curse over an open vox channel?
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Abusive behavior/language does not belong in the game. There is no justification for it.
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Particularly on open channel, being abusive is never good. Nor can you rationalize it to be ok. There are no conditions where it is acceptable. None.
It does not add to the game. It is a detriment.
If you want to carry on a heated discussion, then take it private.
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Squelching an abusive player is a bandaid for the real problem. The abusive player is the problem. And we have an answer for that. Mute, eject, and ban if necessary.
No one should have to listen to it and it is unfair to use the "squelch them if you don't like it" answer. See above.
By saying, "if you don't like it, squelch it", you are saying that it is ok for a player to be abusive. Point of fact, it is not ok.
It is about choices. If a player chooses to be abusive, then that player better be ready to handle the ramifications of that choice.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn quote:
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Abusive behavior/language does not belong in the game. There is no justification for it.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Particularly on open channel, being abusive is never good. Nor can you rationalize it to be ok. There are no conditions where it is acceptable. None.
It does not add to the game. It is a detriment.
If you want to carry on a heated discussion, then take it private.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Squelching an abusive player is a bandaid for the real problem. The abusive player is the problem. And we have an answer for that. Mute, eject, and ban if necessary.
No one should have to listen to it and it is unfair to use the "squelch them if you don't like it" answer. See above.
By saying, "if you don't like it, squelch it", you are saying that it is ok for a player to be abusive. Point of fact, it is not ok.
It is about choices. If a player chooses to be abusive, then that player better be ready to handle the ramifications of that choice.
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THANK you 2bighorn, I was looking for that.
Pretty easy, and straightforward.
This is a PRIVATE game and forum, follow the rules, or leave.
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I should have known that trying to explain the concept of class would be lost to those I was attempting to explain the concept to.
That's the way it usually shakes out.
Continue with the reasons and excuses for not having some.
What's enlightening is when the light bulb eventually does go off..
But I'm realistic, everyone has their own timetable.
For some longer than others.
Please continue, I've heard it all before.
If you could tho, please try to explain bad language online as "ok" in a way that I haven't heard before.
Come on guys here your chance !! Tough guys use "tough" language right ??
That's what it is. You wittle guys with your big bad language..
You weeely want to be a tuff guy..
One day if I cuss enough I'll be a tough guy too..
LOL
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I don’t want to see this turn into an ugly angry thread, though I suppose that is my fault. I set the tone, well actually ZAPP did. I was angry and still am.
I have been in this sim for a many years. Have sent HTC e-mails only three times about someone being foul. This is one.
Yes people vent, cuss, swear when they are angry. We all do that, myself included. Even the guys in my squad have, but they apologize and move on as I do. Yet that is not what I was dealing with. He did not care if he was offending and then took it a step further and offended more.
I made a simple, respectful request. What I received back was foul, rude and more of what I asked not to hear. I thought about saying my young son was on, but I realized rather quickly ZAPP would have likely responded with “Well get your F…ing son off line.” That is the mentality I was dealing with. Maybe he had a bad day, I don’t know. That does not change the fact that he was disrespectful, rude, obnoxious and foul, and he is responsible for his actions and behavior. Sure hope someone in his Dirty 30 squad points this out to him. I would like to hear what he has to say, if anything.
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also on a side note you might be drawing conclusions to early.
ZAPP could not be ZAPP at all but possible a teenage son.
:cool:
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Daddog, sorry to hear about that incident... Hope it doesn't turn your son off to WW2 aviation.
Personally, I think people should speak on range as though they are in front of a nun.. Hey, you never know, you might actually be talking to a nun anyway.
Squad's a different story. You know your squadmates, you know their story, you hear them all swearing, you know their kids aren't listening, go ahead.
Range on the other hand... Big no no. Accidents happen, you might have your vox mapped to similar keys on a js or something, but if you make a mistake, just apologize. No one will ever think the lesser of you if you do.
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I know a guy (handsome devil, witty and funny too) who was banned from this BB for a particular stance on the word "Jap." It thus seems HTC does have some standards for proper behaviour and language but with how rampant the foul langauage is on range-channel, it seems to me that it's all out of whack. And this language is accepted by ALL to be foul language and you cannot argue it being anything but (unlike a certain J-word I know.) To be honest, it doesn't appear that the foul language on range-channel is policed very seriously at all and this reflects right to HTC.
Though it seems the foul language stays in the arena, because so many of us use speakers while flying, that foul language is actually brought right into our homes. Besides, when someone gets so enraged he has to curse up a storm, we are not empathizing with you but rather laughing at you. So why even do it? We don't care.
I'm / / this close to closing my account anyway. If it appears to me there is no increase by HTC in combating the foul language, then I'm gone. I don't want to be associated with it.
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I aint no angel and sware like a sailor.
I make every effort to watch my language on vox. At times I do mess up and sware .... I apologize and move on. If ASKED to watch my language by another player, you better believe I would respect that request.
Puke makes a great point. The BBS is censored and policed but MA stuff never seems to get addressed.
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Truekill, ever here the phrase,
"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
?
You threw several up above. Granted after a while you started backing off a bit.
I've known daddog for about 7 years now.
I've slipped in front of him & never a word was said. If it gets bad enough for him to say something to someone he doesn't know. Trust me, it was WAY over the top.
As for you, well you just painted a big TARGET sign on your handle. Every HTC employee & Moderator is going to be looking to see who can get you first.
Its open season I think on truekill.
Was it really worth it? Trying to defends something that can't be defended?
Ohh & watch your 6 :)
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Cant we please just all be friends?
If someone tells u to knock off the lanuage its for a reason and i dont think anyone wants to hear F*ck this and F*ck that Its only a game and people should be nicer to each other because i think of Aces High as a community because we all share basically one arena and and we almost learn to know each other, or is that just how i feel? So i think that AH will be more plesant and fun if we all just stop the anger (or keep it to our selfs) :cool:
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also on a side note you might be drawing conclusions to early.
ZAPP could not be ZAPP at all but possible a teenage son.
:) It was not. Unless he has a very "adult" sounding voice. At one point ZAPP even said something about having to act the way he does because he was a member of the Dirty 30. That was not clear on vox so I am not sure if that is exactly right, but lots of other things on vox were.
No need to jump on TrueKill. He is entitled to his opinion, I just don't agree at all with what he said.
I want to hear from ZAPP.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
TrueKill...........
Thank you american schools & parents for teaching individuals it is alright to say any filthy derrogatory word when ever they please , where ever they please with out consideration of others....
Um do you know for a fact that every american teenager who goes to school curses. And if they do does it have to do with school No. At my school they dont teach us to curse. Nor do my parrents.
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Originally posted by jetb123
At my school they dont teach us to curse. Nor do my parrents.
no more MTV/HBO for you!!!
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...What Skuzzy said.
I upped from the base where this squealing prepubescent child could be heard. He was squelched before I hit 2k. End of story.
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My thoughts:
1) The game will be better to the extent that we all show some minimal degree of consideration for our fellow players. I suppose this could include language, to some degree. I have learned the hard way that there is a large portion of our society who react strongly to swearing, and that it is often practical to be considerate of this preference.
2) However, I have not observed that language, including cursing, is anything other than symbolic. The real quality of a person is independent of whether they swear. The underlying emotions and willingness to pursue different options are there regardless, and largely independent of external indicators. There are good people who swear from time to time (like me!!), and there are bad people who never do.
3) Look at these boards. Swearing is generally prohibited. However about 1/4 of all posts I have read consist of someone trying to hurt someone else verbally. Are the motivations and actions of these people any more justifiable because they don't swear? No.
3) I believe that a parent should prepare their kid for the fact that language is just an indicator. Trying to totally shield them from swearing, and other more substantive aspects of human communication, is futile. They will encounter it eventually. Better to explain it to them. That so-and-so is swearing. This indicates such-and-such state of mind, which would be there whether he/she was swearing or not. They may be angry or excited. It may be a social bonding mechanism used with their on-line friends. It does not indicate that they are evil or bad persons (although it may show a certain lack of consideration, depending on what forum the swearing is occuring in, and depending on whether they have been asked to tone it down and refused).
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Originally posted by daddog
I don’t want to see this turn into an ugly angry thread, though I suppose that is my fault.
and he is responsible for his actions and behavior.
I think its great when someone of DadDogs distinction in AH brings this stuff to the community's attention.
It also reveals the players who advcocate this behavior thru
the responses in this thread.
It's all about choices. There is absolutely no reason to to be vulgar either on vox or 200.
DadDog
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Sax; I still like my distinction between swearing in the first place (which could be ok under certain circumstances), and not responding considerately to a complaint (which isn't ok, at least in AH).
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Originally posted by TrueKill
like i said before i like to cuss and y should i have to stop cussin just cuz some1 doesnt want to hear it just like ppl whinein i dont wanna hear it that dont mean ppl are just ganna stop cuz i say so.
TrueKill: Do you cuss so much in real life? As in when you work or in other public places?
Once in a while I can understand that something slips out in frustration but lets at least try to be civil.
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Originally posted by jetb123
Um do you know for a fact that every american teenager who goes to school curses. And if they do does it have to do with school No. At my school they dont teach us to curse. Nor do my parrents.
good grief jetb123,
could you not understand what I was trying to imply here? I did not once say every teenager cursed, I did not say schools teach cursing.........
I did say in a more simple way now, that schools and parents actually do nothing about a student or teenager cursing, they let it slide...meaning they not doing anything about it from fear of being sued or reprimanded by the school board because some parent feels the need to challenge a decision a teacher has taken toward a fouth mouth brat...so in return they give the assumption that it is ok to do this in public with out any consideration to others........might I add, the school teacher and parent also fears they might be charged with abuse for reprimanding a child /teenager for bad conduct or may fear a punk teenager might do something fatal to them for pointing them out or asking them to behave like an young adult
as for adult people who insist they have a right to curse with out consideration or respect of others, well I take it you probably do do this stuff in game, to put it as Skull12 called me, internet tough guy ( still don't see why he called me that) this is how I view this people who choose such language continously and I would bet a paycheck they would be completely different in a face to face situation.....
as for this thread. 2Bighorn posted the thoughts on this subject by HTC....to me that about wraps it up.....
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TC, not a nice reply to jetb123. Sounds hostile and patronizing.
The guy is just stating the facts as he has experienced them in his school(s). Your response sounds like an emotional one, driven by anti-swearing hysteria. Assume you are an adult; suggest you act more like one.
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Originally posted by TDeacon
TC, not a nice reply to jetb123. Sounds hostile and patronizing.
The guy is just stating the facts as he has experienced them in his school(s). Your response sounds like an emotional one, driven by anti-swearing hysteria. Assume you are an adult; suggest you act more like one.
too funny:lol
my response is my opinion..just like your opinion of me
Good Day
btw TDeacon, I am not driven by any anti-swearing hysteria, I am simply voicing an opinion of the way I see things happening in AH, and I was quoted so I felt I should reply with a more explained answer, he quoted me, looking for an answer........how did I act unlike an adult? I think your post is flamebait........and possibly some of mine have been as well..........the only part of my reply to jb123 that may have been out of line was the good grief part at the beginning........
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TC,
I still think you were unfair to jetb123. However, my post could have been phrased in a less angry manner. I was irritated when I wrote it.
Sorry about that; I don't have a bad opinion of you; just of your post.
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Originally posted by TDeacon
TC,
I still think you were unfair to jetb123. However, my post could have been phrased in a less angry manner. I was irritated when I wrote it.
Sorry about that; I don't have a bad opinion of you; just of your post.
fair enough
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
TrueKill...........
Thank you american schools & parents for teaching individuals it is alright to say any filthy derrogatory word when ever they please , where ever they please with out consideration of others....
As a high school teacher, let me jump in here to inform you that the vast majority of my students DO NOT cuss or swear in class. For the very small minorty that do, a quick discussion on the idea that there are appropriate places for that kind of language (locker room, w/ buddies, etc.) and that the classroom is not one of those places, usually solves the problem. Many times it is other students who will tell the offending person to clean up his language.
Although True Kill gets offended that it is implied that he was raised by heathens because he likes to cuss, it is painfully obvious that he was raised by people who had no idea how to respect the rights and wishes of others.
I also wish that HTC would take a definite stand on this issue, and make it clear that profanity and abusive language is not to be tolerated in this game. As it takes a concious effort to push the mike button before swearing on the vox channel (not to mention typing it in text...), I don't think it can be chalked up to "slipping up." Even my 15 yr old daughter was shocked when she was in the room one day by what she saw in the text buffer and heard on the radio.
HTC defintely needs to take some action against players who continue to use profane and vulgar language even after being asked to stop by others.
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duly noted debuman,
I am curious though if you posted as soon as you read that reply or if you followed up and replied after reading this thread to the end........? I went back and explained what I acutally meant, I commend you for discussing the appropriate place for certian people to use this language, although if there are certian places this language is appropriate then is that not saying it is ok to say these things regardless of where you are located or who you are with? as for classrooms , most if not all students are better mannered, but around the campus/school outside the classroom it is different story, sure other students call out the ones being obscene, even faculity also, but it is nothing like the what shall I say 80's and on back....times have changed, schools are a changing, the behavior of society is changing too...I was trying to give generalized descriptions and not point any individual out, for the reason everyone is different
I did not direct my statement of "raised by heathens" at any one person, I was talking ingeneral, no names......
read 2BigHorn's post, he quoted the decision and stance HTC takes on this issue
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"It's all about choices. There is absolutely no reason to to be vulgar either on vox or 200. "
Amen to that. I agree wholeheartedly Sax.
And I support Daddog 110%. IMO, for him to post publicly about a problem meant it must have been very bad indeed.
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Originally posted by debuman
I also wish that HTC would take a definite stand on this issue, and make it clear that profanity and abusive language is not to be tolerated in this game.
I'm good with this as long as calling Shane a LaFlamer Queen is ok! :)
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Swearing on vox or in the text buffer is a ticklish dilemma on how to deal with it. I would venture a guess they (HTC) could hire someone full time to deal with “every” complaint they get, or at least ½ time. From a business stand point is that wise? I don’t know. Not something they want to do I am sure. Every 10 minutes Skuzzy, Pyro, or Hitech deal with someone who has been a foul mouth jerk online is 10 minutes away from development where we all want to see their time devoted to.
This community over all is quite reasonable, which is one of the reasons I posted this occurrence. In many ways the community will deal with their own, but there are times that HTC does need to step up and deal with individuals. This IMHO is one of those times. Unless of course ZAPP will step up and save them the time and trouble.
I do appreciate the comments many of you have made.
Debuman, I teach also, (Jr. High what a hormone filled crazy age). Most of my kids don’t swear, but they do slip once and a while. To be expected just as we all do as adults. I wish I was just a case of a kid having a good time, but it was an adult who should have known better.
I upped from the base where this squealing prepubescent child could be heard. He was squelched before I hit 2k. End of story.
Dipstick if he was a prepubescent child then he would have an excuse. :)
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I too asked Zapp to chill out the language over priv. He said he was drunk. And continued.
And to the children (b17 and Truekill):
As one of my wise squaddies once said:
"... I'd say just about the *only* things that can be "proven" in an online game are one's definitions of sportsmanship and honour. It's the rest that's the illusion."
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sportmanship when you can't even put a face on someone?
it is you are who are illusioned. this is almost as bad at chess peice loyality.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Horn
And to the children (b17 ):
As one of my wise squaddies once said:
"... I'd say just about the *only* things that can be "proven" in an online game are one's definitions of sportsmanship and honour. It's the rest that's the illusion."
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Horn I done tryed, it is the new generation, they have no clue as to what anyone is talking about when these subjects are mentioned and they never will because they do not want to carry on with traditional things from the past......
We our selves know who we are that has respect, good sportsmanship, degrees of honor and dignity, when they ever experience these things and get older and wiser they to will be able to look back , reflect on these conversations and then say "yeah now I get it!" prob twenty years from now or so
until then you , me and the rest of us are just speaking to a block wall, they are not listening........
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Well not all of them. Some get it over time, usually when they crack the nut and take care of business.
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I also have a 9 year old son who has an A/H account.
Yes he and I are in daddog's squad as well.
I to support him 110%.
If A/H turns into a cussing, abusive game experance for he an I
then we will leave as well, but I would think that HTC would not let a problem like this start running off all thier paying customers
that would prefer not to listen to it.
Just my 2cents
Mr. Midi
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
sportmanship when you can't even put a face on someone?
it is you are who are illusioned. this is almost as bad at chess peice loyality.:rolleyes:
Geez, you appear to be an entire truck of clues short of the answer. Perhaps when you start shaving more than once per month, you will start to get it. :)
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Chess peice loyality.
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Hehe, dweeb mentality.
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Why do you need to "put a face on someone" to talk about sportsmanship, or for that matter, respect?
Just because we are separated by distance geographically, we are all part of the online community of AH. Part of that community includes older children playing or watching their dad, or younger teenagers. It seems to me that the community will let a frustrated slip of the mouth go, but repeated sailor-talk is not desired.
If you feel you really need to talk like that, at least do it on squad channel, so that everyone on local channel is not forced to hear your tirade until they can squelch you. This way you show respect for the community of which you are a part.
All
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Hehe, dweeb mentality.
:rofl
no what is dweeby mentallity is Honor, Sportmanship and Chess peice loyality.
those 3 things are beyond stupid.
"Once a Knight always a Knight":rofl
" nice fight" (same guy cursing over vox.)
there is none of those online and if you believe so please go ahead and be blinded.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
:rofl
no what is dweeby mentallity is Honor, Sportmanship and Chess peice loyality.
those 3 things are beyond stupid.
"Once a Knight always a Knight":rofl
" nice fight" (same guy cursing over vox.)
there is none of those online and if you believe so please go ahead and be blinded.
heya Skull, you ever thought of taking martial arts? judo? karate? kung fu? if not you should, this would open your mental picture and teach you the values of respect, Honor, sportsmanship, loyalty in all viewable/thinkable aspects.........all of these do exist in online games, the people that do recognize them most is the people that have been around the longest....for anyone that comes in and becomes a part of the community normally the vets will instill this values into the new members way of thinking, except we can not make certian people understand. they insist on denying the enevitable, and we are talking about these subjects in regards to this community, not in regards to game play for the most part, all though these values do exist ingame and on these boards....
Now Skull....since you have so much knowledge of knowing what does exist and what does not why don't you gather data or take a poll from everyone in game and on these boards... Then look at the people that says these values do exist against the ones who say they do not exist.. I guarantee you the ones that say they do are from an era in online gaming you will never see again in your life, and the ones that say it does not exist are from the FPS games, or are under 30 yrs of age for the most part, or have only participated in AH as far as online flight sims.......
it is the generation gap for the most part Skull.....these values are a code of ethics or unwritten rules, that members like you and others that have the inability to see happening or do not comprehend the meaning so you think it does not exist........as I stated earlier when you become of age if you are so lucky you may begin to understand these values and how these values do exist on these boards and in AH2......
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
:rofl
no what is dweeby mentallity is Honor, Sportmanship and Chess peice loyality.
those 3 things are beyond stupid.
"Once a Knight always a Knight":rofl
" nice fight" (same guy cursing over vox.)
there is none of those online and if you believe so please go ahead and be blinded.
Yes, you are right. If your parents didn't instill it into you, you will never grasp the concept until someone that "has a face" beats it into you or fires you from a job you like. I'm sure you'll feel "victimized"--it is a plague upon your generation.
I feel sorry for you in a way--you think just because no one is watching, sitting right next to you, you are free to do whatever. Only experience, of which you have little or none, will show you. Or, you could listen to some here--doubtful I know, because of course, you know everything.
Just because something is invisible and intangible to your newb self doesn't mean that it has no existence. Please google the word "ethics."
Then find a clue rake. You will need it because your road will be hard.
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I might also mention this is nothing to do with chess pieces Skull, loyalty is to do with being loyal to the game and to the community, Skull you yourself are loyal, and you honor this game, if you did not, then you wouldn't be a forum leader of the AHTerrains site and you would not devote so much time on these boards nor would you make skins for the community, so you are just misunderstanding, I wouldn't call you a dweeb , no sir, I think of you as a young whippersnapper that is just starting to be molded by your community peers.........one day you will be thanking us and telling youngsters the same thing we are voicing to you
Skull ( and good luck in the future ) it's gonna be 10 times as worse for you ROFL
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yes it does. most people who believe that stuff believe in chess peice loyality. most of the 339th does.
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Skull have you never anyone your entire time in AcesHigh? (giving a salute shows respect, honor, sportsmanship....think about it)
:)
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
yes it does. most people who believe that stuff believe in chess peice loyality. most of the 339th does.
Yes, you still don't get it, do you?
Be content with the knowledge that we find you amusing--if for nothing else, we too had your level of idiocy once. The difference being that the idiocy didn't last til our teens because our older siblings or parents demonstrated how the world works.
I forwarded this thread to my college age daughters. Their response? "Oh, no...!"
Hopefully you'll figure it out. You seem to have a decent head on your shoulders otherwise.
h
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
have you never anyone your entire time in AcesHigh? (giving a salute shows respect, honor, sportsmanship....think about it):)
I haven't - except in the DA. Never bought into the whole faux thingy, instead I'll say "fun" or toss out a smiley.
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TC...Horn...
I had the same discussion with a kid called "guru" when AW first started on AOHell. Met up with him a few years later on Gamestorm, he was in college then. He told me that he finally understood what I was taking about. Perhaps we can hope for the same from our young friend here. :)
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In a way, in your way Shane, those IMHO are the same as a
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
TC...Horn...
I had the same discussion with a kid called "guru" when AW first started on AOHell. Met up with him a few years later on Gamestorm, he was in college then. He told me that he finally understood what I was taking about. Perhaps we can hope for the same from our young friend here. :)
Rgr NB.
Hopefully so.
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Originally posted by Shane
I haven't - except in the DA. Never bought into the whole faux thingy, instead I'll say "fun" or toss out a smiley.
funny thing Oops er Shane, you came to mind when I typed that, although I know with out a doubt you respect a well fought fite win or lose, and you are a good person beyond your taunts...... you have also shown good sportsmanship in the past....hope this doesn't spoil your image you have flaunted upon everyone else...lol
you are Shane, you taunt with precise intriguing choice picked words, you do not stoop to use the vulgarity that some do and there is a certian artform that you posess in flaming that is dieing out..people today are so generic with their taunts and flames and say the same ole stuff these days.........you are still a breath of fresh air.......
yep NB, Horn, here is to hoping the younger crop of sim flyers learn and pick up on it sooner than later........
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I've been known drop an occasional F-Bomb on range channel when i get really frustrated...and i always feel like a Tool for doing it after i do. TrueKill , I gotta tell ya buddy , your wrong on this one. Curse all you want just dont push the range channel button when you do it. If you happen to slip up and somebody calls you on it you need to appologize and watch your mouth.
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I would just love to know why all the whiney buggers that spew forth on range vox think I give a toss, or am fascinated by petty grievances - no matter how strongly expressed.
To me moaning and swearing on range vox is equivalent to dialling a random number and pouring a torrent of vitriol into the ear of the unlucky recipient because you stubbed your toe.
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Welp, all the fun has gone outta here...guess it's bedtime on the west coast. :)
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2BigHorn hit it right on the head and from the source. That's the bottom line.
This is not a game for adults... there is no age limit, so in fact you might say it's a family game. Seeing we have a word filter is a pretty big clue that voice should be treated the same way, with the possible exception of private or possibly squad vox. ANY occurance like this should be filmed and sent to HTC for them do deal with, putting the final nail in the offenders coffin, drunk or not. Miscues are mistakes and if an apology is offered, let it slide, this was not the case it seems. I give many a player an apology after I've acted like a moron. Most times it's accepted but sometimes I get a back, which happened recently. I showed my true colors as did the person who gave in return for an apology he deserved. Unfortunately when this happens you can't start the film and get what has allready happened. It would be nice, but most likely abused, that if a certain person is squelched a certain number of times by the whole community he is automatically muted or tracked somehow so it can be dealt with.
TrueKill, comparing the talk in this game to the people who fought in battle with their life on the line is apples and oranges. The two aren't even remotely similar.
Skull, I hate to say it, but the more of your posts I read the less I understand them. It almost seems you post for the sake of posting and using smiley faces rather than to say anything of value.
The players who try to fix this rather than just sweep it under the carpet with a squelch are stand up people, we need more of them.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Cllass online lol. you can't even put a face on someone online lol.
Of course there is class online! You don't need to know what somebody looks like to know if they have class or not. It soon becomes very clear in the way they speak and otherwise express themselves. To be continually cursing and swearing, whether in text or on vox, shows no class at all and only causes upset to others.
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Sorry to hear about your encounter with ZAPP, daddog. I completely agree with you that we should not have to listen to this type of language on range vox. It is quite unnecessary and only causes upset - to other adults listening as well as to children.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
its just like the ch. 200 if u dont wanna hear it u dont have to listin. im not tryin to be an bellybutton but i dont think this game is right for a 9 year old cuz most the ppl that play are 18+ and do cuss on the radio ch. if u dont want ur son to hear that kind of language then i think u should find a better game to play with him or use that little squelch voice button for the ppl that u know cuss on the range ch.
Maybe this game is not right for people that can't control treir mouths? If you/or anyone else want to cuss find find a better game. My 4 year old girl likes to fly with me. If we were out in the public you wouldn't dare talk like that in front of her would you? And if you did, I have the tools to squelch you for while.
PS. By you, I don't mean you personaly but who ever cusses on vox.
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I cancelled my account a while ago. After coming back into the game and being relatively happy with AH2 range channel made flying in AH2 unbearable.
I made several posts on the subject that went ignored.
I never listened to channel 1 to begin with yet HTC closed that channel because of abusive behavior. Folks have asked, begged and pleaded for years that we be given the ability to squelch range channel but for one reason or another the powers that be decided it doesn’t matter if a player curses and is abusive over vox as long as they don't type it.
Not only is there all forms of abusive and obscene language thrown about on range channel but some folks use it as a meet and great and force the rest of us to suffer through their pointless chatter from everything from dryer hoses to how their lawn mower runs.
It’s also the favorite of those "mishun generals" to scream about how others play the game.
I prefer the old method or vox by using 3rd party programs. At least then you can regulate who it is you are listening to.
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Originally posted by Wotan
I cancelled my account a while ago. After coming back into the game and being relatively happy with AH2 range channel made flying in AH2 unbearable.
I made several posts on the subject that went ignored.
I never listened to channel 1 to begin with yet HTC closed that channel because of abusive behavior. Folks have asked, begged and pleaded for years that we be given the ability to squelch range channel but for one reason or another the powers that be decided it doesn’t matter if a player curses and is abusive over vox as long as they don't type it.
Not only is there all forms of abusive and obscene language thrown about on range channel but some folks use it as a meet and great and force the rest of us to suffer through their pointless chatter from everything from dryer hoses to how their lawn mower runs.
It’s also the favorite of those "mishun generals" to scream about how others play the game.
I prefer the old method or vox by using 3rd party programs. At least then you can regulate who it is you are listening to.
I agree 100%
(Wotan and I both faint :) )
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Chess peice loyality.
"I" before "E" except after "C" :D :D
DmdMax
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You know if this was a post about cheating or a whine about ACK, or . . .
HT would have been here explaining in a very polite maner the rules and how this is HIS game and HIS bbs and no free speech upplies.
HT where are you? I mean the guy is saing he will continue until he is baned.
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Well I have to say, this stuff exists out there and you aren't going to be able to get the entire community to stop swearing. To compare behavior in AH to anything in WWII is futile because this is "apples to oranges". The times have changed greatly, and this IS just a game. I have to say I don't think this was handled all the best though. I see why you are mad daddog, and this isn't meant to be offensive, but if it were me I would've squelched him, and explained to my son that there are those people out there who carry on like babies, that scream and cuss, and when you come about one of them its better to just leave them be, or squelch them in this case.
Coming on the BBS and calling out Zapp, and specifically calling him an "ass" does nothing but bring you down to his level, and I know you are better than that. Competetive nature causes anger, and circumstances not going your way just fuels it. No matter how hard all of us try, we aren't going to be able to clean up all of the online gaming community, but HTC has given you a way to handle it and I say we use that tool in its full extent.
to you all ... see you up there.
P.S. this isn't condoning any behavior, just a statement.
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I am not defending this jerk in any shape or form. It is a shame that this should be required, it is a shame range can't be squelched, but it probably would have been faster and more productive to type
/.squelch Zapp
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Well I have to say, this stuff exists out there and you aren't going to be able to get the entire community to stop swearing. To compare behavior in AH to anything in WWII is futile because this is "apples to oranges". The times have changed greatly, and this IS just a game. I have to say I don't think this was handled all the best though. I see why you are mad daddog, and this isn't meant to be offensive, but if it were me I would've squelched him, and explained to my son that there are those people out there who carry on like babies, that scream and cuss, and when you come about one of them its better to just leave them be, or squelch them in this case.
Coming on the BBS and calling out Zapp, and specifically calling him an "ass" does nothing but bring you down to his level, and I know you are better than that. Competetive nature causes anger, and circumstances not going your way just fuels it. No matter how hard all of us try, we aren't going to be able to clean up all of the online gaming community, but HTC has given you a way to handle it and I say we use that tool in its full extent.
to you all ... see you up there.
P.S. this isn't condoning any behavior, just a statement.
On the contrary, these people need to be called out in public. Right now, the only way to get back at them is bublic humiliation.
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I don't know man, teaching your kid to "get back at them" seems a bit crazy. And calling them out on the BBS is doing exactly the same thing that you are persecuting them for. I'd rather see my children get the point that there they are going to encounter people like this in their lives, and instead of giving them fuel for their fire its better just to tell them to have a good day and leave them in their little PO'd world.
:D
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That's a drag Daddog,
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Well we just keep slugging away, it's only a small % of the folks who are ruining it, so YES, call them out, film, snap pics, warn them.....the decent folks will win when everyone starts calling out the troublemakers.
oh and BTW Skull, your responses are pretty sad. Now that you've shown you don't really care about 'honour' in a virtual 'faceless' game...then please never be a CO in a scenario again, remember when you left us high and dry in that scenario? I guess i know why now. and have a nice day at school.
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I dont know of any B17 Crews that brought thier 4yo kids along on thier Combat Misions either....so that comparison is totally asinine
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Originally posted by Howitzer
I don't know man, teaching your kid to "get back at them" seems a bit crazy. And calling them out on the BBS is doing exactly the same thing that you are persecuting them for. I'd rather see my children get the point that there they are going to encounter people like this in their lives, and instead of giving them fuel for their fire its better just to tell them to have a good day and leave them in their little PO'd world.
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You are right about teaching the kid to get back, although sometimes its good to teach them to not just sit there and take it. However, she is only 4. She does not read the BBS nor is it very easy to explain to her about these people. I agree with you in general terms though .
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Originally posted by Fauxbra
I dont know of any B17 Crews that brought thier 4yo kids along on thier Combat Misions either....so that comparison is totally asinine
Fauxbra, not sure if you are replying to me but this is not real combat. If it was we would not have an issue. We both would be dead. If I remember correctly, you killed me a while back, repeatedly lol
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Coming on the BBS and calling out Zapp, and specifically calling him an "ass" does nothing but bring you down to his level, and I know you are better than that. Competetive nature causes anger, and circumstances not going your way just fuels it.
Your right Howitzer. I was angry and posted while still angry. For that I apologize. 24 hours later I have calmed down a bit. I could have said he was acting juvenile, but that just does not fit. I know some teens that play this sim and act more mature they ZAPP did. Would not be fair to them don’t you agree?
I don't know man, teaching your kid to "get back at them" seems a bit crazy. And calling them out on the BBS is doing exactly the same thing that you are persecuting them for.
I am not “getting back at anyone”. Nor am I teaching my son any such actions or behavior. I don’t know how you arrived at that conclusion Howitzer. If you knew me you would not have posted that. My son and I have had a couple talks about this. He has not seen this thread and I have no intention to showing it to him. Frankly what I was hoping for was a public apology from ZAPP and show “that” to my son. After that my plan was the very next time we were all on (ZAPP, daddog, sondog) was for my son and I to go wing for ZAPP. My son thought that was a great idea. Yet we are missing a key element in this design, an apology from ZAPP.
I think there are many times it would be very appropriate to bring things to the attention of the community. Also there are times it is best to e-mail HTC and have them deal with it. I think this required both since there were many others on range channel that heard his garbage and how he reacted to me when I asked him to stop. Even if just one or two of those that were in range and heard the exchange see this thread they will sit up and take notice that players can’t get away with it all the time. There are limits to asinine behavior and many times the community will deal with their own. I think the majority have made it quite clear where they stand on such an issue.
I am not about vengeance, nor humiliating someone. I am about holding players accountable for their actions. You may not agree with my avenue in dealing with this, but we all have to make our own decisions. I have made mine and ZAPP has made his, to not apologize
Since my first post I have heard from HTC and they have dealt with this. I know that if it were to happen again I would venture a guess ZAPP would no longer be with us. I am satisfied. I am looking forward to flying in his range channel again sometime to see if he has learned his lesson like any good boy.
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Originally posted by daddog
Your right Howitzer. I was angry and posted while still angry. For that I apologize. 24 hours later I have calmed down a bit. I could have said he was acting juvenile, but that just does not fit. I know some teens that play this sim and act more mature they ZAPP did. Would not be fair to them don’t you agree?
I am not “getting back at anyone”. Nor am I teaching my son any such actions or behavior. I don’t know how you arrived at that conclusion Howitzer. If you knew me you would not have posted that. My son and I have had a couple talks about this. He has not seen this thread and I have no intention to showing it to him. Frankly what I was hoping for was a public apology from ZAPP and show “that” to my son. After that my plan was the very next time we were all on (ZAPP, daddog, sondog) was for my son and I to go wing for ZAPP. My son thought that was a great idea. Yet we are missing a key element in this design, an apology from ZAPP.
I think there are many times it would be very appropriate to bring things to the attention of the community. Also there are times it is best to e-mail HTC and have them deal with it. I think this required both since there were many others on range channel that heard his garbage and how he reacted to me when I asked him to stop. Even if just one or two of those that were in range and heard the exchange see this thread they will sit up and take notice that players can’t get away with it all the time. There are limits to asinine behavior and many times the community will deal with their own. I think the majority have made it quite clear where they stand on such an issue.
I am not about vengeance, nor humiliating someone. I am about holding players accountable for their actions. You may not agree with my avenue in dealing with this, but we all have to make our own decisions. I have made mine and ZAPP has made his, to not apologize
Since my first post I have heard from HTC and they have dealt with this. I know that if it were to happen again I would venture a guess ZAPP would no longer be with us. I am satisfied. I am looking forward to flying in his range channel again sometime to see if he has learned his lesson like any good boy.
Daddog,
The "Getting back at someone" was in reference to someone else's comments about the situation, I don't think that is your intention. I know how it is when you get angry at someone... believe me, it happens to me all the time. Sounds like you and your son have it worked out... seems like a pretty smart kid you have there. It would probably stand to reason that Zapp was a little mad himself and that is the way he acted like he did... however that is no excuse for him. I'm assuming he is probably just taking a break from the boards and hasn't seen the thread, hopefully he runs across it. Going through HTC is the best way, and I'm glad you did that... I didn't know you did so that was my reason for my disagreement. Hope to see you up soon Daddog/Sondog
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Maybe ZAPP is Gunman26...wasn't that guy a charm!
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Subscription choices could eliminate cursing children?
Silver subscript=$9.95 per month "no text or vox"
Gold Subscript=$14.95 per month "Text only"
Platinum subscript=$28.95 per month "text and Vox"
IKON<-----------------------------Runs for his life!!
Just kidding!!!
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Originally posted by TrueKill
its just like the ch. 200 if u dont wanna hear it u dont have to listin. im not tryin to be an bellybutton but i dont think this game is right for a 9 year old cuz most the ppl that play are 18+ and do cuss on the radio ch. if u dont want ur son to hear that kind of language then i think u should find a better game to play with him or use that little squelch voice button for the ppl that u know cuss on the range ch.
Where does HT advertise this ga,e as not for children...heck my 3 year old loves to try to fly...Young kids lie to watch their parents fly this game too...so we that have kids should have to worry about trying to squelch someone while trying to conduct a flight? Maybe HT needs to have someone babysit all of us so he can boot foul mouthed troublemakes.
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BTW, after receiving your FAA/MOT communications permit, try 'cussing' on an any freq., you better croak after swearing on them chan.'s...lol.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
good grief jetb123,
well I take it you probably do do this stuff in game,
No acctual I dont I never curse in aceshigh.
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huh?
DmdMax
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Originally posted by jetb123
No acctual I dont I never curse in aceshigh.
the selective cut , edit & pasting to quote someone isn't getting it done, jetb123 why are you trying to fool or miss lead others?
if you going to quote me, quote my whole reply so you do not miss lead people, I would really appreciate it....thank you
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
the selective cut , edit & pasting to quote someone isn't getting it done, jetb123 why are you trying to fool or miss lead others?
if you going to quote me, quote my whole reply so you do not miss lead people, I would really appreciate it....thank you
Sorry about that but you had such a long post.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
good grief jetb123,
could you not understand what I was trying to imply here? I did not once say every teenager cursed, I did not say schools teach cursing.........
I did say in a more simple way now, that schools and parents actually do nothing about a student or teenager cursing, they let it slide...meaning they not doing anything about it from fear of being sued or reprimanded by the school board because some parent feels the need to challenge a decision a teacher has taken toward a fouth mouth brat...so in return they give the assumption that it is ok to do this in public with out any consideration to others........might I add, the school teacher and parent also fears they might be charged with abuse for reprimanding a child /teenager for bad conduct or may fear a punk teenager might do something fatal to them for pointing them out or asking them to behave like an young adult
as for adult people who insist they have a right to curse with out consideration or respect of others, well I take it you probably do do this stuff in game, to put it as Skull12 called me, internet tough guy ( still don't see why he called me that) this is how I view this people who choose such language continously and I would bet a paycheck they would be completely different in a face to face situation.....
as for this thread. 2Bighorn posted the thoughts on this subject by HTC....to me that about wraps it up.....
No acctual I dont I never curse in aceshigh.
... Better
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Originally posted by IK0N
Subscription choices could eliminate cursing children?
Silver subscript=$9.95 per month "no text or vox"
Gold Subscript=$14.95 per month "Text only"
Platinum subscript=$28.95 per month "text and Vox"
IKON<-----------------------------Runs for his life!!
Just kidding!!!
:mad: :mad: :D
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Originally posted by jetb123
No acctual I dont I never curse in aceshigh.
... Better
yes jetb,
you see where that part you quoted was, it was talking about the adults in the game, you had took it out of context implying I was saying you cursed...... when I had not implied such a thing
thank you
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Well I take it you do this stuff in the game
Right there you just said I cuse in the game. And I was just pointing it out that I dont.
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Originally posted by IK0N
Subscription choices could eliminate cursing children?
Silver subscript=$9.95 per month "no text or vox"
Gold Subscript=$14.95 per month "Text only"
Platinum subscript=$28.95 per month "text and Vox"
IKON<-----------------------------Runs for his life!!
Just kidding!!!
Easier for everyone....just charge $5 every time a monitor has to warn someone. :D
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People who curse on and on in inappropriate places do it for the shock effect, they know it's not appropriate so it serves as an attention getter and, in their minds at least, more intimidating or in control, which is why of course excessive cursing appeals to juveniles so much. What they fail to realize in their small brains is it attracts the same sort of attention as walking around with a wet spot in the wrong place on the front of your pants. The vast majority of people see them as the idiots they are.
Just one of those things that seperates the men from the tards. Let your son know that.
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Originally posted by jetb123
Right there you just said I cuse in the game. And I was just pointing it out that I dont.
All you have done yet again is tryed to say I typed something that I did not......
as for adult people who insist they have a right to curse with out consideration or respect of others, well I take it you probably do do this stuff in game, to put it as Skull12 called me, internet tough guy ( still don't see why he called me that) this is how I view this people who choose such language continously and I would bet a paycheck they would be completely different in a face to face situation.....
do you not see the beginning of this statement/opinion where it says as for adult people? are you trying to tell me you are classified as an adult? I thought you was a student/kid/teenager.......
I am sorry you can not understand what I typed, and I have nothing further to say to you on this subject.
well kj714, some say there is an appropriate place or time to cuss, I never knew of such a place or time......as telling students / kids that this is not the appropriate place to cuss, but it is appropriate to do it around buddies etc.......in my whole life time I was brought up to believe cursing / cussing was never appropriate no matter where you was, or who you was with and it showed disrespect if not it at least showed ignorrance and lack of the english language....
NB..I am all for having HTC charge $5.00 per warning issued to any player of the game if they step over and beyond a certian point......also like Ikons idea.........maybe cutdown on some of the riff raff........
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Best thing to do is film it and send it.
It will be taken care of.
As for the need for more monitors,Y'all got to remember that We All have that ability(see above).
When you see someone being abusive, turn on the cam and ask them to tone it down, please.Don't tell them your filming, don't say " hope ya liked playin , 'cause I'm sending this in".
Just send it in.
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Scroll up about 18 posts. You will see it has been taken care of.
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I was talkin to everyone else
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rgr Flit, that was stated about emailing HTC and take snap shot or film in the 3rd post of this thread........
but people do sometimes skip alot of pages :)
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Originally posted by daddog
:) It was not. Unless he has a very "adult" sounding voice. At one point ZAPP even said something about having to act the way he does because he was a member of the Dirty 30. That was not clear on vox so I am not sure if that is exactly right, but lots of other things on vox were.
No need to jump on TrueKill. He is entitled to his opinion, I just don't agree at all with what he said.
I want to hear from ZAPP.
ya know daddog,
I just scanned back thru these post and this following quote from you stands out in big bold letters!
At one point ZAPP even said something about having to act the way he does because he was a member of the Dirty 30. That was not clear on vox so I am not sure if that is exactly right, but lots of other things on vox were.
I have on several different occassions heard the members of this particular squad invoking this type of behavior in the game on Range Vox......it wasn't until now that I realized they all was in the same squad or flew together......
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
you guys do realize (except for shane) that there is a difference between RL and AH don't you?
please refer to the picutre i tried to post.
Acting like a jerk in AH is exactly the same as acting like a jerk in RL. It's just about being a jerk really.
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Originally posted by nopoop
Class needs no venue. Needs no income bracket, nor a profession or a specific geographical residence.
It just is.
You know it when you see it. And more importantly you know it when you don't.
np this is the best thing I've seen you post yet.
in a yoda meets gandhi kinda way
:cool:
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Chess peice loyality.
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Originally posted by DMax
"I" before "E" except after "C" :D :D
DmdMax
You didn't pick up on "loyality".... ;)
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"Acting like a jerk in AH is exactly the same as acting like a jerk in RL. It's just about being a jerk really."
Absofrickenlootely. It can;t be explained any clearer than that.
"You didn't pick up on "loyality"...."
lol Blue Mako. Was wondering about that too. Figured he was holding that card back. ;)
Westy
(btw HIYA!!)
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The children who thinks it’s manly to use fowl language sure in the hell couldn’t pour piss out of my fire boots with the directions on the heal.
After 23 years in emergency services (and 18 years teaching fire fighters nationwide on the University level), the real professionals keep the cursing within their ranks. They let their work speak for themselves.
The want-a-be professionals will curse in public and don’t care about their language or the people around them. They just don’t have the self-respect and (more importantly) the self-confidence to handle the task at hand. When challenged, they run home to mommy, and hide behind the 12-year-old locker room language.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
i dont see honor in the game and i never will its only a game
oh BTW fug watermelon bastege MF BS :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
If it's only a game. Then why should anyone act like you. Showing no class.
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I appreciate all the support gents. We can put this to rest.
ZAPP was the fellows call sign, not Zazen.
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It just is.
You know it when you see it. And more importantly you know it when you don't. - Nopoop
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Let me post just one more thing to those that think any kind of language goes in the game.
The vox capability is an integrated part of the game, unlike teamspeak or roger wilco. That means that it is part of the game, and can be used in the ESRB rating.
Lets just take the rating for a mature level game: Titles in this category may contain mature sexual themes, more intense violence and/or strong language
If strong profanity was present constantly in the game, even if it can be 'squelched' it means the game could receive a mature rating. That means HTC could not let anyone under 17 play the game. You may say 'so what?', that is hard to figure out. Maybe, but it is a big hassle for HTC and the rating will hurt sales.
I have never understood why people think profanity for the sake of profanity is a funny or even cool thing. I am no prude, I can swear with the best of them but I choose not to. I find that people who continuously use foul language lack the intelligence needed to construct a cogent thought. I personally don't care if they do prove their lack of intelligence online but it does make me upset when children hear it. Kids do walk by rooms.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
heya Skull, you ever thought of taking martial arts? judo? karate? kung fu? ......
I think his time would be better spent learning correct grammar and spelling so that he can get out of high school first and foremost.....