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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hangtime on February 15, 2001, 12:05:00 AM
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Ok; here's the plan.
We find out what time Lax flies.. we bribe his countrymates into revealing his location, we gangbang Laz.
When yah pop him; yah get double perk points.
If yah pop him with a perk plane yah get triple perk points.
If yah bag him while HE's flying a perk plane; quadruple perk points.
Anybody intrested?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I thought this had already been implimented?
AKDejaVu
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I don't think you will need much help finding him. I know I wouldn't. Sensei said: "Know your enemy and victory will follow."
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"Earth to Heaven in zero flat."
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Hiya, V.A. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Hunt up Ice.
Voss
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Sensei! Zang Yaku Sei!
Write me at 13th TFW with instructions, please?
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"Earth to Heaven in zero flat."
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NP.. I am quite easy to find and getting double points for killing me seems a reasonable request. As for bribing my squaddies.... Wasting your money. It is a common thing for them to announce on the main channel...
"someone come help.. lazs is out of ammo with his rudder and elevator shot off at ***" It has been known to bring even the most cowardly P51 pilot down to fighting height.
Also..I'm for anything that increases the action... I vote yes.
Plus... if I aquit myself really well and remain silent... I May, someday, hopefully, re-earn the respect of pakrat that I so badly miss..
lazs
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laz i award you the "piss of the chearleaders award "
please keep up the good work and know you are loved by some of us (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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lazs
You should spell your sig -lazs_ then -towd_ would really french kiss ya.
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Guys, I really hope this thread is tongue in cheek, Laz is a great guy, he's just vocal and opinionated, fine attributes IMO...give it a rest, please.
Laz, you are entitled to your opinions, and can post them whenever you'd like, (I know, I don't have to tell you that!)
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rip... this better not be tongue in cheek! That would be cruel. My squaddies are drooling like pavlovs dogs.
What is cruel tho...is the unfair squad policy of stealing my kills. They actually laugh!
lazs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Guys, I really hope this thread is tongue in cheek, Laz is a great guy, he's just vocal and opinionated, fine attributes IMO...give it a rest, please.
Laz, you are entitled to your opinions, and can post them whenever you'd like, (I know, I don't have to tell you that!)
I will quote this answer each time you come with some "cutting" answer to my posts, ripsnort.
Its curious I have got some very acid answers from you and I am -yet- to call "idiotic" ANY of HTC's decisions.
lazs has done it 1000 times.
Curious.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-15-2001).]
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Ram, most of my answers are base on these factors:
"Wait and see"
"Facts and data"
...you'll get acidic answers from me if you just make a statement based on no factual data.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
...you'll get acidic answers from me if you just make a statement based on no factual data.
So when lazs is saying that the perk point system is an idiotical move by HTC , he is talking about FACTUAL DATA, huh?. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
comeon, happens that Lazs will never mess with the F4U FM nor the Hispanos. Both of you love the plane (and the weapons). And as he doesn mess with the only thing that turns your ironic mode on (Apart of Clinton/gore (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)), well, you only tap on his shoulder.
Again, I am yet to say that HTC has done something "IDIOTICAL". Lazs does it all the time...
is he talking about "factual data"?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Obviously you have subjective reading disorder...I stated:
"Wait and See"
"Facts and Data"...
My replies to Laz have been one of 'Lets wait and see'...and my replies to you (since yours have been subject of performance in A/C) have been 'Facts and data'.
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Ram: Lazs will never mess with the F4U FM
Uhh, search the posts, Laz, along with F4UDOA, are two that brought data to the table when the F4U was porked prior to V1.04...you can search in the Aircraft BBS.
Edit: And...Laz never has to resort to using an alias to get his point across.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 02-15-2001).]
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actually.. I have circumvented rips 'wait and see' policy IMO. The idiotic perk point system is allready partially implemented and the part that is implemented is a disaster. It is quite easy to game... It rewards one popular behavior over other popular behaviors and the people most likely to unbalance the game allready have thousands of points.
As to what WILL happen.... Most of what I have said is simply the obvious. If it wasn't obvious i wouldn't have caught it.
lazs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Edit: And...Laz never has to resort to using an alias to get his point across.
I've never done it either (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ok, so I can call any future addition by HTC I disagree with as "idiotic" because the "wait and see" policy, but I cant say that hispanos are turbolasers, isnt it?
Come on, Rip...you got caught on this one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ram, it sounds like you're arguing with yourself, you've lost me in your philosophy...I have not called anyone 'idiotic'...and yes, you have used alias, you have been caught in this one... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(Don't forget, IP traces... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 02-15-2001).]
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There are inherent problems with perks as well as with RPS as well as with a unlimited planeset. Ther will always be ways to game the system.
The big problem is: how does the system allow for the eventual addition of early and mid war equipment in an arena brimming with the far more lethal late war equipment?
Yeager
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Originally posted by Yeager:
There are inherent problems with perks as well as with RPS as well as with a unlimited planeset. Ther will always be ways to game the system.
The big problem is: how does the system allow for the eventual addition of early and mid war equipment in an arena brimming with the far more lethal late war equipment?
Yeager
Ahh, there is sanity posting here!
Good question, I'm interested in seeing where this developes..thus , the wait and see approach before making any judgements.
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geeze.... yeager get's it! who'd a thunk?
lazs
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The system allows it by making it worth more to fly an early war plane then a later one.
You bet a P-51B is going to be a higher perk score then a -D.
However, this has to do with the 'idiotic perk system', but it *is* a form of reward. If you fly your early-ear planes enough you'll have a lot of perks built up for when you want to jump in an uber-ride and have fun.
In fact, before the perk system evolved into what it is now, there was *no* reward for flying a 1941 plane in the MA - you could get bounced by a late-war model and your only gripe can be to yourself.
Lazs, I can understand your point when you imply that you don't want to be shot down by a plane you can't fly. That is the 'one' inherent problem in the system, because people will feel like others are getting 'more' for their $30.
While this cannot be easily fixed, my one idea in all of this is that when you shoot down a perk plane, it's yours. You don't get tons of bonus perk points, you just get the plane you shot down.
Kind of like a NFS High Stakes trophy system.
It might totally not work, but it would make the perk guys a lot more scarce.
Open to suggestions - hell, it's just an idea.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Ram, it sounds like you're arguing with yourself, you've lost me in your philosophy...I have not called anyone 'idiotic'...and yes, you have used alias, you have been caught in this one... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(Don't forget, IP traces... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
Oh,damn I dont know if you mess up what I say, or if I really am this bad at english.
I dont say you are calling anything "idiotic"...I do say that LAZS has said ENDLESS TIMES that the perk system implementation is an "idiotic" action coming from HTC. You have a lot of examples of this in this same board (Any perk system thread, will have lazs saying somenthing about the "idiotic perk system).
Yet you say "ease pressure, guys, he is a vocal but nice guy", and that "each one has its opinion and is free to express them". He is saying that HTC's perk system is IDIOTIC, yet you say that he is free to say that.
I am yet to call ANYTHING implemented (or about to be implemented) by HTC as "IDIOTIC". I ahve had my reserves regarding certain things and I have never shut up my opinions.
Certain opinions of mine, on gameplay features, FM and damage models have found your clear sarcasm, and even some flames. I always express opinions, I say that I think somethign is wrong, yet I NEVER -NEVER- --NEVER-- have called "idiotic" anything coming from HTC. In fact any time that HT or Pyro has stated anything regarding my opinions I have had them on a high regard.
But, you can be clearly sarcastic with a guy doing opinions (call them whines, whatever, but NEVER insulting, nor trying to attack frontally HTC's work), yet you tap on the shoulder of a guy calling "Idiotic" certain HTC decisions, and you say "ease pressure on him, guys, because he is vocal". I am vocal too, the problem is that I usually mess with what you dont like people to mess : F4U. (and you forget a very important thing, man. the Corsair is also one of my favorite fighter planes of all times).
So, lazs is Ok but RAM not. Heh, ripsnort, you GOT caught on this one.
BTW Do IP traces, whatever. RAM is my BBS handle and I haven't used any other handle here.
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Okay, double standards do apply in my case, because Laz doesn't quit 3 times because he doesn't get his way, he doesn't use alias to argue with himself, and he brings facts and data to the board when he thinks there is a FM anomoly...yep, I got caught! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Okay, double standards do apply in my case, because Laz doesn't quit 3 times because he doesn't get his way, he doesn't use alias to argue with himself, and he brings facts and data to the board when he thinks there is a FM anomoly...yep, I got caught! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I quitted once, to return in one month. Many things got to do with that quitting. So you are using again something that is false to attack me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW tell me OPENLY wich is the other handle I use to argue with myself (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Please I need a laugh.
Oh, and BTW, not that I care what you say or do about me too much. Once I did, not any more (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Its that it simply surprises me to see that you have a double standard, nothign else. And the proof is that you try to attack me personally to avoid the principal topic (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-15-2001).]
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RAM, only you would hijack a thread like this and point it towards yourself lol. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Er, Ram, there was no 'attack' by me, and you responded first to me...with a problem of perception, something I cannot help you with, and...you're on your 3rd Aces High account...again, nothing I can help you with.
Be gone with you. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Er, Ram, there was no 'attack' by me, and you responded first to me...with a problem of perception, something I cannot help you with, and...you're on your 3rd Aces High account...again, nothing I can help you with.
Again you are wrong (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) second (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-15-2001).]
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moose... perhaps i have not made myself clear. It's not that "I" don't want to be shot down by a "perk" plane.... it's that I don't want to see perk planes period. least not in the same arena as other less capable ones and certainly not implemented in an arbitrary (rewarding one type of behavior over another) manner. I don't want to take someones 'perk' plane if i kill it. I don't want the (cough) challenge of flying 109E's or Spit 1's against the current planeset much less the perkies..
I would like to fly spit ones and 109e's and f4f's and a whole host of important and fun planes tho.
I might even like to fly -4Hogs and Spit 14's and Bearcats once in a while but not against the current planeset and especially not if.............
The guy I'm flyin AGAINST can't have one. For whatever reason... The reason doesn't matter to me. Only the fact that the fight is rigged... It's a non victory for me. Like killin someone at their fridge. Some in AH live for that I know.... I don't.
lazs
and ram.... stay out of this.... it was suppossed to be an attck on me... you get attacked plenty (and deservedly).... don't be greedy
[This message has been edited by lazs (edited 02-15-2001).]
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Originally posted by RAM:
Again you are wrong (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) second (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Whatever Ram/Luke skywalker/??? whatever you are currently...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Whatever Ram/Luke skywalker/??? whatever you are currently...
hihihihihi, thats a complete miss! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
BTW mail OTW (to the email address on your profile)
Lazs...heh. This was not intended to be an attack against anyone, just a remark of the double standards so usual in this board (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I could care less who got attacked here, I just remark what is a blatant truth: some people gets flamed doing much less of what others who dont get anything, do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
But I'm quite used to it, know what?...dont mind (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-15-2001).]
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Lazs is easy to find...HTC painted the nose of his Hog yellow.
Shhhh....
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yeah ram... guess i just wasn't looking at it from your perspective. it's kinda hard tho when you as beloved and respected as i am. Lot's of guys here stay up nights trying to think of something especially nice to say to me while the same guys... pick on you. and why? simply because a few of the things you have said (under various guises)have turned out to be completely false?
Where is the fairness in that?
lazs
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(lol)
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I hear all of the 109 and 190 series aircraft are being perked except the 109B.
-SW
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
SW, you trollin?
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Umm Rip, Luke Skywalker was an ex-squaddie of mine who I bounced from the squad when I found he was manipulating the 'free-two week' period by creating multiple accounts every two weeks.
He sure was NOT Ram!
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When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Chapter 13, verse 11
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Originally posted by Jekyll:
Umm Rip, Luke Skywalker was an ex-squaddie of mine who I bounced from the squad when I found he was manipulating the 'free-two week' period by creating multiple accounts every two weeks.
He sure was NOT Ram!
Hehe nope Jekyll he is talking about Skywlker, a guy who spent here about one full month. AFAIK he was in 308th RAF (lol do you imagine me in a RAF squad? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)), and he got a bb handle too, Luke Skywlker.
After I "had been" Glunz, Kep, Sansal, Supongo, and a couple of more handles, some brilliant mind concluded that he was me, and from then onwards the poor guy was given a quite hard time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
He left last month or so, there is a goodbye thread back in this board, where you can read how far can go a witch hunt in Aces High (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Poor fella
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-15-2001).]
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Nothing would make me feel better then for more targets to hunt lazs. I say get the bastard.
Dres
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You know what I wish? That there would be a way to donate perk points to another pilot.
I would be perfectly happy to donate all mine to the loudest, to the most unhappy, to the most underprivileged, whomever I choose.
Heck, I must be all the way up to a hundred or so by now... halfway through the month... quite a bonanza of points I'd say! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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(hang removes tounge from cheek) WELL; OF COURSE I'm kiddin.
Dammo.. Laz flys with the canopy closed just like the rest of us.. even RAM. LOL
Besides.. Laz's ideas, while in my opinion are lame; in many others minds, they are valid.. no less so because of or in spite of the current mindset of the masses.
Me?/ I'm just pokin fun at the extremists.. don't care which extreme. Joe Average just gets drownded out around here.
What I find more funny than anything else about the whole perk/rps/no-perk/MA-HA/behavior awards/Uberplaneset vs midwar vs early war line of dreck is that IT DON'T MATTER... and a few thousand man-hours have been abjectly wasted wailing about it...
1. Scores and points are not why I fly. I suspect that score whoring for ego and bragging rights does not improve anybodys gameplay.
2. 'perk' is just another game feature.. like osties and chogs.. there they are (or will be), so learn to deal with it... just make yer case and make a decison.. don't whip us to death with it via BBS whining with a new jab in the developers side every 10 min.. it might distract the developer; sure, but NOT the way you WANT. LOL.
3. As midnight sez.. "Wing up; get kills, be happy." Fly yer fav plane; your way in a style and terrain or your choosing. Nobody has a gun to yer head.. make a choice, do yer thing and quit worrying about what the other deweebs decisions are or will be.
Last time I checked; HTC was no democracy, they have the right to do this thing however they want and we have NO say.. we do have input, but if they do what they want, remember it's their damn sim; not ours. Vote yer wallet.. we'd all, including the developer; respect THAT.
Yah.. I'm having fun.. (or will be when I get a new monitor) .. and have seen nothing or heard of nothing discussed in these many 'perk' threads that looks like my fun will be lessened; rectricted, violated or obviated by anything HTC has discussed implementing. There will still be red planes and red fields and guys to kill... whats the damn problem?
Fer gwadsakes; put the effort you guys are expending on tearin each other up on the BBS into sellin yer companys product, and when yer on yer own nickel; go find a red plane and kill it. The rest is just NOISE.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!
"Turn to kill, not to engage."
Commander 'Willie' Driscoll, USNR
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hey, thanks for the support drexie!
hang...LOL, "thousands of wasted hours"... Have you done a search on your posts lately? Now, while I admit that they are entertaining to me, ya gotta admit that they are a veritable wall-o-words... a novella in every post. Wasted is a function of perception.. Might be one or two that think your time is wasted an that my posts are entertaining. But, either way, aren't we entertaining ourselves?
I have never claimed the ability to make changes or taken credit for any that happen tho.
lazs
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Kiss kiss Laz.. 9 ta 5 weekdays I work.. weeknights and weekends I post. I post when I have the choice to fly or post.. not when I'm locked down inna cubicle with a job assignment I SHOULD be doing instead.. get the point?
As for the ability to make changes.. I have none. But I do make suggestions.. and was quite pleased and proud to have a couple implemented during beta. What are your positive contributions to the AH community sir?? Care to list them??
LOL.. (wassamatta boy, feeling a mite insecure??)
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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!
"Turn to kill, not to engage."
Commander 'Willie' Driscoll, USNR
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Originally posted by lazs:
hey, thanks for the support drexie!
hang...LOL, "thousands of wasted hours"... Have you done a search on your posts lately? Now, while I admit that they are entertaining to me, ya gotta admit that they are a veritable wall-o-words... a novella in every post. Wasted is a function of perception.. Might be one or two that think your time is wasted an that my posts are entertaining. But, either way, aren't we entertaining ourselves?
I have never claimed the ability to make changes or taken credit for any that happen tho.
lazs
You havent....hmmmmm
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hang... whats a "cubicle"?
Positive changes??? like you, I have no ability to make changes. Unlike you I don't take credit for any that happen. I am not "proud" when one happens. I realize any sim will do what act in their own self interest. Which is fine. I may have added a little useful info from time to time and several people have told me they enjoyed a few posts... same as you I guess. So who's feeling insecure here? Seems you are the one who needs the re-inforcement eh?
pongo.. nope.
lazs
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