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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kev367th on September 13, 2004, 07:52:33 AM
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Been so many negative posts recently, just wanted to say WTG on HQ defense last night!
Was nice to see so many people answer the call to arms against the Rook hoard HQ raid.
I don't even think 1 even got close enough to drop its eggs.
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yes, WTG on defence ,
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It's the same every Sunday and I hate it as much as you (I'm a Rook). The Sunday Rook Joint Squad Operation was a desperate attempt to even out the odds when us Rooks had been outnumbered for more than a year. Now the operation is obsolete and ruins gameplay for everybody.
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Come on guys does EVERY thread have to be turned into an ENV whine?
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why dont Bish and Knights just join together on sunday nights and whoop the Rook hoard????
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why dont Bish and Knights just join together on sunday nights and whoop the Rook hoard????
And there gentlemen is the answer to it all. Yet, to do this, it would require FIGHTING people instead of hoarding undefended bases and milking. What a shock it would be...
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Originally posted by Fauxbra
why dont Bish and Knights just join together on sunday nights and whoop the Rook hoard????
I was tried one night and not all were willing to agree, so it failed.
One squad didn't recognize the truce and went and took bases that weren't rooks bases.
Because of that, it will never work.
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Yeah Slapshot, it worked to up to a point.
I think around 80% maybe more? of Knits/Bish abided by the truce.
Had 2 funny side effects -
1) The amount of Rook whines on channel 200
2) Within a short time around 100 Rooks logged off.
Not so much fun when shoes on the other foot is it?
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Originally posted by Stang
And there gentlemen is the answer to it all. Yet, to do this, it would require FIGHTING people instead of hoarding undefended bases and milking. What a shock it would be...
Not completely true, Stang. I saw both Bishop and Knight squads refuse to solely attack Rooks. They had a simple reason: They thought it was unfair.
If a few rook squads would rotate to Bishop or Knights, I suspect (pure speculation on my part) Hitech would remove the eny limiter.
How is it the Rook squads fail to recognize this is exactly how the rooks were rescued several years ago? Do you think the rotation occurred because of we *really* like rooks?
It happened because several Bishop/Knight squads recognized that gameplay for all involved would be improved by making the sides approximately even.
Today, even with the eny limiter in place, there is still a significant unbalance. However, without the ability to mount la7s, ponies and Ni1ks, it's difficult for the hoard to roll over bases.
curly
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As a member of a squad that went Rook to help, Curly is spot on with his observations.
The Bish/Knit squads changing to Rooks always seems to get conveniently overlooked in favour of the 'superior organiztion', RJO, we did it all ourselves, explanations constantly trotted out.
Still think its a shame that a thread designed to praise the Bish for their HQ defence last inght has been hijacked by the ENV whiners.
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Yeah it is too bad for the thread, but I have to tell you, I enjoy flying with rooks. I know quite a few guys, and the situational awareness on rooks has been specatuclar. People calling out planes, checking 6's, flying together... I'm sorry to say it but I'll take up a crappier plane to fly in these environments. Now, like I said, I plan to check out bishland sometime here in the future to see how it has changed, but I don't have any plans about staying. The rooks I've seen fly together, and they put together JSO's or joint strike ops that really increase the #'s of folks flying together. Why don't the knights and bish do what slapshot was talking about and organize a JSO of your own? I've seen so much time put into posts about how the #'s on Sunday nights are unfair and I really haven't seen much of this energy put into organizing folks. I remember the huge MAW raids of the past, the ROCSTAR missions, the Freebirds, the Pornstars... these guys could organize and take bases. The best defense is a good offense, get guys together, fly away from the rook horde to a base they aren't looking at and start porking/capturing. Even on Sundays I see a big group of rooks hitting bish, and one hitting knights, there are a couple little small battles going on, but honestly there are about 10 bases on the frontline where nothing is happening. 25 ponies/tiffies/jugs can do amazing things to an undefended base.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
I remember the huge MAW raids of the past, the ROCSTAR missions, the Freebirds, the Pornstars... these guys could organize and take bases. The best defense is a good offense, get guys together, fly away from the rook horde to a base they aren't looking at and start porking/capturing. Even on Sundays I see a big group of rooks hitting bish, and one hitting knights, there are a couple little small battles going on, but honestly there are about 10 bases on the frontline where nothing is happening. 25 ponies/tiffies/jugs can do amazing things to an undefended base.
Raids are possible if you aren't spending all of your time defending an area. If you are facing large rook numbers, it isn't a good idea to pull numbers away for a raid. On Sunday nights 25 ponies would represent approximately 20% of the entire Bishop airforce.
curly
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FWIW, I noticed some much cagier and more determined flying from B's and K's last night. Maybe it was just some Rooks who switched sides , but I don't think that would account for all of it.
For the Rooks ... look ... HT will eventually get this dialed in right ... or something else will change ... who knows? In the meanwhile, look at Sunday nights as a night to try goofball squad missions, or just to fly the planes you never get to other nights.
-DoK
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Raids are possible if you aren't spending all of your time defending an area. If you are facing large rook numbers, it isn't a good idea to pull numbers away for a raid. On Sunday nights 25 ponies would represent approximately 20% of the entire Bishop airforce.
curly
I see what you mean curly, but if the bish and knights tried doing the SJO's on Sundays, maybe that would bring more in?
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Originally posted by Howitzer
I see what you mean curly, but if the bish and knights tried doing the SJO's on Sundays, maybe that would bring more in?
Howitzer, RJO started because the Rooks always had low numbers. They wanted at least one night when they would have at least equal, if not greater numbers. Consequently, many Rook squads have squad nights on Sunday.
All squads already have a squad night. It would be difficult to get squads to move their squad night ... not impossible, but difficult.
How about the other 6 nights of the week? Occasionally, one country will outnumber rooks during prime-time, but it's unusual. Usually, Rooks have a 20+ advantage.
We really need at least two rook squads to move to Bishop or Knights.
curly
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Why don't the squads of all three teams have squadnight on Sunday if they can. Then this thing would be balanced (at least more balanced).
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Originally posted by GScholz
Why don't the squads of all three teams have squadnight on Sunday if they can. Then this thing would be balanced (at least more balanced).
That is *the* question.
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Originally posted by Fauxbra
why dont Bish and Knights just join together on sunday nights and whoop the Rook hoard????
How do you think the Rook Horde developed? Years of the bish and nits gangbanging the rooks, and RJO formed and started fighting back.
Now we dominate with the weekly operations and the pendulum has swung to the other side..
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Been so many negative posts recently, just wanted to say WTG on HQ defense last night!
Was nice to see so many people answer the call to arms against the Rook hoard HQ raid.
I don't even think 1 even got close enough to drop its eggs.
Thats the reason I like the bish so much.
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Originally posted by Fauxbra
why dont Bish and Knights just join together on sunday nights and whoop the Rook hoard????
Indeed ... and why is it that the only nites they seem to work together is on nights the Rooks are outnumbered anyway? ENY still does nothing for the syndrome in the MA on weeknights.
If you want to "balance" against The Horde, then you better balance against all permutations of the tactic. Including the "undeclared truce" Horde. Otherwise all you're doing is punishing one country, while the other two take advantage of the loophole that's been left in the system. The longer this persists, the more entrenched people will become and the uglier the mood will get in the MA.
-DoK
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") Within a short time around 100 Rooks logged off.
Not so much fun when shoes on the other foot is it?"
LMAO You have Got to be kidding. I logged on Sunday, saw a ton of rooks, and just thought, man I am just not in the mood for this, others said the same thing, and I know I, and a bunch just left and did other things for the night.
You complain when the horde is on then come up with this when they leave? Didn't you Want them to leave?
Good grief this whole thing is just too pathetic.
I cannot believe you form a truce, to bypass the eny system, then brag about the results. This is the most pathetic thing I have seen yet, far too much to keep my from splitting my gutt laughing.
What a joke, and what a shame. But, trying to explain what I just meant would be like descibing the color "orange" to a blind man, You have no point of reference, and would be a total waste of time.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Indeed ... and why is it that the only nites they seem to work together is on nights the Rooks are outnumbered anyway? ENY still does nothing for the syndrome in the MA on weeknights.
If you want to "balance" against The Horde, then you better balance against all permutations of the tactic. Including the "undeclared truce" Horde. Otherwise all you're doing is punishing one country, while the other two take advantage of the loophole that's been left in the system. The longer this persists, the more entrenched people will become and the uglier the mood will get in the MA.
-DoK
Well Dok ... it appears that what you keep focusing on is not what HT had intended the ENY System to deal with, nor will it try to deal with it in the future.
Here is what he said ...
Originally posted by hitech
Zazen: It is not flawed, it is not ment to balance "GAME PLAY" Thats what you are talking about when you talk about how the sides are currently fighting. That is dynamic, works well, and realy dosn't need any adjusting.
You are talking about somthing completly different that the ENY system was not ment to change in the least. And realy is quite irevelent as far as the ENY system goes.
HiTech
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(Originally posted by Howitzer)
I remember the huge MAW raids of the past, the ROCSTAR missions, the Freebirds, the Pornstars... these guys could organize and take bases. The best defense is a good offense, get guys together, fly away from the rook horde to a base they aren't looking at and start porking/capturing. Even on Sundays I see a big group of rooks hitting bish, and one hitting knights, there are a couple little small battles going on, but honestly there are about 10 bases on the frontline where nothing is happening. 25 ponies/tiffies/jugs can do amazing things to an undefended base.
Hey you forgot the Birds Of Prey. :) We have great squad ops and regularly take several bases.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Well Dok ... it appears that what you keep focusing on is not what HT had intended the ENY System to deal with, nor will it try to deal with it in the future.
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Well in that case ... "never mind."
I won't bother flying except on the weekends when Rook numbers are enough to offset the way the MA seems to function.
-DoK
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Kev.....yes...was great fun defending HQ.
Side balancing: Our Squad was asked to move to knights from Bish to help balance numbers. It appears that moving squads is only a short term answer to the problem....and really is hit or miss depending on which night it is.
Our squad felt with then great number of squads that have flip flopped in the last year that consistency is needed. For instance the old jump to Rook trick when greatly outnumbered etc. etc. etc.
So....we're never planning on moving (as an entire squad) The MA will never have a true grasp on the numbers problem with squads and people jumping from side to side. Even if it's only for one campaign.
Now...my opinion (which is worth little) I don't care about being outnumbered. It really didn't bother me when Rooks had a huge advantage in numbers. What bothered me was why they had the advantage.....and it wasn't RJO. It was the side jumping that caused the imbalance (during RJO). Some squads and individuals would jump just to pad numbers. Hey....your money play like you want...more targets for me. If the jumping Bish squads would have went to the Knights I would have applauded! But...they took the path of least resistance and went Rook. Wonder why??
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ah2 should even out teams automatically like delta force 2 does when you join game.
At the moment all new players become bish and then they learn to fly from other bish and create loyalties..
I feel that if ah2 automaticaly asigned you a country when you joined a game placing you in the team with least amount of players this would even out the teams
Obviously they should leave in the option to change your country. but atleast this way some newbies will have there loyalties els where other than 100% bish :)
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Ro-Crats - The attempted truce between Bish/Knits was PRE ENV limits, in a attempt to stop both countries getting steamrollered.
No such truce has been tried POST env limits. So there was no 'bypassing env restictions' going on.
Wasn't complaining about the 100 or so Rooks logging, just thought it was kinda funny once they realised what was going on, and that it's not so much fun when you find out you are the vastly outnumbered country suddenly.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
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No such truce has been tried POST env limits. So there was no 'bypassing env restictions' going on.
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May not be intentional, but it's still happening. Just scanning the bar dar and counting fields on any weeknight makes it pretty clear. And I don't feel like arguing the point. ENY has made this game very tiring to deal with lately, not from a difficulty standpoint - but just because it casts such a shadow on everything.
It's a shame this topic got hijacked, the Bish defense of HQ Sunday was wild - I only caught the opening stanzas and that was plenty interesting.