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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SELECTOR on September 13, 2004, 12:44:09 PM
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just a little update on whats happening.. seeing as we waited forever for ah2, and now it all seems to have come to a grinding halt.. no more patches, no more news on TOD, no news on new aircraft, just seems to be treading water..game is same as ah1 with lower frame rates..
also why are we still using the tired old maps, when i first started AH we used the island map and the lake maps,, then they dissapeared, then came back, dissapeared , and are now back again. i know a map is just a map, but its getting boring...
just a bit of news would be nice.
feeling disgruntled
selector..
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Even another release of skins would be nice.
Pretty please.
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The artists are burning the midight oil getting a nice package ready for the convention.
HT is putting the finishing touches on the flame thrower for the con suprise monster.
Pyro is playing AH 24/7 changing sides every time the eny kicks in to see which country in AH is the biggest bunch of whiners.
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convention constipation ,, i not bothered about con.. i dont live in US but pay my whack like the rest:aok
just an updateon things
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I wrote some coad today.
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When is the con?
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ok HT:aok ..
what im getting at is some screenies, whats comming next, just some anti speculative stuff
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Sept 23-26 :D
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So there's your answer.
Anything big will be sandbagged and announced/released at the con, most likely.
You've got to give these people a reason to go to Texas.;)
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Selector: It might help if you wouldn't start your question by critisizing everything we have done over the last year, have shown in the last few weeks, and are working on for the future.
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sorry HT.. just a bit frustrated.. your correct, i should have not put it the way i did
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Originally posted by hitech
I wrote some coad today.
Now when I log in there is going to be a big screen that flashes "Hello World" nonstop :p
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heh.. its not like you where going to get an update anyway...>
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Originally posted by hitech
I wrote some coad today.
Shouldn't that be:
I roat some coad today?
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Originally posted by hitech
Selector: It might help if you wouldn't start your question by critisizing everything we have done over the last year, have shown in the last few weeks, and are working on for the future.
which is? i havent seen much, aside from, i coded today.
should that be surprizing? here, have a cookie.
oh yes, there were also a bunch of skins that players did for the most part.
perhaps you ARE holding back for the convention. i can imagine that being a possibility, but no mention has been made of it that i can see.
it is frustrating in situations like these because what begins to appear is the spectre of shiesterism.
i would hate to think that of you.
with all due respect hi tech, and i mean that sincerely,
you must see that it is not his imperative to speak in any specific manner regarding your product. you are a vendor, he is your customer, as are all of us.
we butter your bread. not the other way around.
what it sounds like is..."if you are going to talk to me like that, youll either a, get nothing out of me regarding these things, or b, i will ignore you. fine. but its not the attitude that one would expect from someone who is not on the serious defensive or expects that his customer base will remain loyal irregardless.
fact is, it is you who is bringing this product to market, and, from what i have seen, it is you who has made a gazillion promises and have so far failed to materialize them. markets dont like these things.
essentially, most of us are funding your additions and the time you are spending to make the game better. is that really fair? shouldnt we be paying a reduced premium for services which have been reduced?
there are many of us who would like to see the old hitech that all the vetrans talk about. someone who was in here, making his rounds, jacking up the troops and being a part of the team.
i am certain that were all rooting for you.
but in many ways, its beginning to feel much like a bad relationship the old, "im gonna do it honey, get off my back."
mostly, all that people are asking for is a bit of communication, some explaination and a few additions from time to time.
getting abrupt with them is just silly, and it shows to me that either a. things are not so sunny in hitech land. b. you cant handle critique or c. your expectations are so high that they could never really be met.
i am sorry for that. truly. it is ruining my experience because most people are starting to get obviously aggrevated.
if i were you, and i mean this sincerely, i would look at the long road sir and see that sword in front of you before you fall on it.
when the tide turns. it turns like hell.
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Post 13 and August is making friends with Hitech.
lol:rofl
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^^^
someone is looking for a beating ;)
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Originally posted by Samiam
Shouldn't that be:
I roat some coad today?
i rote sum coat tidsy
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Originally posted by mechanic
^^^
someone is looking for a beating ;)
mechanic, are you coming on to me?
eye on the ball people. its not about me.
ill post sexy photos when it is.
:cool:
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august its september now *** :lol
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oh. thats original.
go on. make it about me. fine.
but the fact is that you pay 30 a month.
i dont know about ya'll but thats alot of money when i can go out and buy a disk for 40 and play a game for free beyond that. i dont because i like the community and the ability to get a 1/50 kill to death ratio on you people, and you get to watch my flaming semi-newbie rear fall to peices in the sky. but thats about you not the product. id see you elsewhere.
ive said my piece.
its not personal. its pure economics bros. and a bit of righteous indignation to boot.
to those who feel that i am attacking your friend, i am not. i am sure that hitech and its emloyess are great folks. its not personal.
but it is true.
hitech creations
gidderdun.
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Augest: It has always been my belief that just because your butter, it does not give you the right to be rude to the bread. And I'm not refering to your post.
Every once and a while people need to be reminded of this.
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Originally posted by august
but the fact is that you pay 30 a month.
mug!
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Originally posted by hitech
Augest: It has always been my belief that just because your butter, it does not give you the right to be rude to the bread. And I'm not refering to your post.
Every once and a while people need to be reminded of this.
Wow, I have a couple of employee reviews to do today. I'm borrowing this.
My reviews will be totally food oriented this year:
Where's the beef?
Carrot & Stick
Low hanging fruit
Butter and toast
This should be fun.
:D
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Hitech,
It would be easier for most newer players to be respectfull of what you provide if this were an ice skating arena. It is after all the face less internet.
But let me say, I vote your Ice Rink the best in the business.:)
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agreed. every so often people need to be reminded. my posts have been efforts to do just that with hi tech creations, as have most of the posts that have been piling up recently by others.
i have read your post regarding the new work that you are doing,
and its exciting... but i stand by my statements...(after the niceties) i am glad that one of us had the sense to see the key that was offered and use it.
i appreciate that those who work at high tech deserve to be treated with respect. we all do, but that does not excuse the issue of promises made with few results seen. it is also pretty clear that people have been exceptionally diplomatic in previous posts...this is hardly the first call for updates, contact, communication with the mothership with little if any response.
the whole ENY thing has everyone up in arms, but there really hasnt been a firm word on it that i have seen, so people just get hotter because they expect that you will cater to thier needs or at least define it for them so its set in stone.
again, and i am saying this to the company, not a person, it is not fair to us to ask us to be a part of an experiment without clearly defining what that experiment is. saying oh, you should spend this money because its going to get better and it doesnt, wont cut it.
it just doesnt work that way.
loyalty is a two way street.
when you give your word. you keep it.
thank you for your communications today. they are appreciated.
(its still not about me.)
respectfully,
butter.
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Originally posted by august
which is? i havent seen much, aside from, i coded today.
should that be surprizing? here, have a cookie...
I smell a shades account. August, whoever you are...ahhh nevermind:rolleyes:
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"butter"
PARKAY!
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Such rude people. At least one person in this thread respects what HTC is doing.
A game like this takes a very long time to make. And it's even more difficult with people whining about every little thing that they don't like.
Just because nobody knows who you are doesn't give you the right to be an ass.
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all I would like to hear is how things are coming and a less defensive posture from HTC. This could be handled in a way that neither sets unreasonable expectations nor stonewalls the customer. How about a designee who handles "press releases" and threads on this board? In my experience, one voice is better than many for such things.
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(http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130185)
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Originally posted by hitech
KI84 will be complete in next few days.
Bomber is close to showing screen shots, hope to this week.
Im working on the object editor and terrain editor to allow tile and airfield generation, and for use in TOD.
From fuball's thread ...
ya beat me to it fur !!!
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Originally posted by Fruda
Such rude people. At least one person in this thread respects what HTC is doing.
A game like this takes a very long time to make. And it's even more difficult with people whining about every little thing that they don't like.
Just because nobody knows who you are doesn't give you the right to be an ass.
i respect the effort because i have endeavored to create things for clients myself, (web based) with much less success. (obviously)
i have however been successful as a creator. i just had to come to the realization that i have to make it first, then sell it. it lowers the expectation from "what are you doing" to "how did you do that?" it frees the mind from the rabbles of the commitee mentality or from those who cannot wrap themselves around your vision. you either like it or you dont.
this isnt just a matter of working out kinks on a finished product.
this is trial and error. it has been a lack of communication on the companies part and it is, in my opinion, becoming evident that something is either amiss, or the folks at hitech are simply not concerned enough with the state of affiars to send a beam of light upon my pocketbook.
so, ok. fine. its really none of my business as i can just take it elsewhere or come to the stunning conclusion that i am being headwacked and ostrisized for lack of cohesion by my peers. hes talking out of ranks again! ill proudly walk that plank when its time.
(american here...hello)
i just dont happen to agree with how hitech is going about this.
perhaps you dont like my tone, or the methods and opinions of others and i respect that, but i am wondering just how you go from preaching respect to calling others (and you said you were the only one who wasnt) and ass.
again. to clarify.
words are great.
actions speak louder.
i couldnt agree more. i am an ass.
all
humbly,
august butter applesauce potato ricecake pistachio mudpie.
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We wouldn't want to see you get banned before you step up from that "Junior member" role to the all - coveted "Member"
:D :aok
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sorry i said anything now:(
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sorry that you are sorry selector, and perhaps i might have
formed my own post to vent. (though i am assuming that you post so that others will chime in?)
i thank you for the opportunity to post my thoughts.
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circle the wagons. get the kindling. threaten me with rank.
oh god, please, dont throw me into that briar patch!
lol.
all
august jr.
p.s. dear hi tech creations.
actions v. words
censorship is a form of denial.
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Shades of Twitchy august. This is like Dejavu all over again. I hope Hitech is in a good space today.:)
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bring out the tiki dolls.
lets avoid the issue.
been there. done that. over it.
"i wouldnt want to be a part of any club that would have me as a member" - woody allen.
again. to redirect my thoughts back to center.
hitech is asking you to pay money so that they can make this game/put kids through college/buy better blenders. in exchange they offer you a service.
cool.
i am asking hitech to give us the value that has been promised.
and serving a reminder that it is important to value the opinions of his customers, (even those who disagree) and to deliver promises which have been made in a timely manner, not require that such things be brought about through decorum which hasnt worked until now.
if hitech wants to sell this service as is. cool. i make my choice on this information. so far, i have been buying.
but thats not what they are selling is it?
was this what they sold you when they said that ah2 was going to be the mother of all flight sims? most people say that its pretty much the same. for as little time as i spent in ah1, i dont think it is as good. odd that.
i am simply stating that it is important that the company keep an open line to thier customers and to stop the smoke and mirrors.
id rather be surprized than see everyone getting thier hopes up like this, or raised to a tizzy over tinkering.
i have no personal qualms as i am a consumer, not an adversary.
that said, i find it odd that for as much complaining as has been going on, how easilly pacified we are by a little well placed political ploy such as can be found in an alternate post.
im just not convinced.
believe it when i see it.
and then i will humbly for a job well done.
when it should occur.
all
august the problem child with shades of some guy named twitchy.
p.s. - a public relations person IS a good idea.
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Originally posted by august
which is? i havent seen much, aside from, i coded today.
should that be surprizing? here, have a cookie.
fact is, it is you who is bringing this product to market, and, from what i have seen, it is you who has made a gazillion promises and have so far failed to materialize them. markets dont like these things.
essentially, most of us are funding your additions and the time you are spending to make the game better. is that really fair? shouldnt we be paying a reduced premium for services which have been reduced?
there are many of us who would like to see the old hitech that all the vetrans talk about. someone who was in here, making his rounds, jacking up the troops and being a part of the team.
i am certain that were all rooting for you.
but in many ways, its beginning to feel much like a bad relationship the old, "im gonna do it honey, get off my back."
mostly, all that people are asking for is a bit of communication, some explaination and a few additions from time to time.
i am sorry for that. truly. it is ruining my experience because most people are starting to get obviously aggrevated.
if i were you, and i mean this sincerely, i would look at the long road sir and see that sword in front of you before you fall on it.
when the tide turns. it turns like hell.
OMG ..Where are these people coming from, is this the future player base we have to look forward to ?
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Originally posted by august
believe it when i see it.
I haven't seen it but I don't need to see it to believe it. Believe this: Air Warrior 4 was going to come out for a good 2-3 years if not longer. We were going to get all sorts of new planes after we went out to buy that box game.
Aces High started off with approx. less than 10 planes.
No new planes have thussofar been added when or since AH2 came out.
By the time AH2 came out, there were something in the ballpark of 70 planes and vehicles.
Thus, they all had to be designed and implemented in AH1.
You got to download that for free.
You'll get to download the update when it comes, for free.
I think their actions have already spoke louder than their words, no offense.
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Originally posted by Samiam
Shouldn't that be:
I roat some coad today?
Wait till you see his "coad" for tomorrow after that one...
If distfromfield>1/2endurance then fuel=fuel/2
If hitlocation(samiam)=leftwing then damage=pilotwound
If hitlocation(samiam)=rightwing then damage=pilotwound
If hitlocation(samiam)=rearfuse then damage=pilotwound
If hitlocation(samiam)=vertstab then damage=pilotwound
etc... etc...
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none meant.
none taken.
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and yes red, unless the ominous warnings are true and i am taken out to the back for a hanging...yes. until i get bored of a game that has gotten bored of itself. yes until i get a life.
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to those who have seen.
i am wanting to believe.
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"stay gold ponyboy" - ralph maccio
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over and out -
august
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Originally posted by august
bring out the tiki dolls.
lets avoid the issue.
been there. done that. over it.
"i wouldnt want to be a part of any club that would have me as a member" - woody allen.
again. to redirect my thoughts back to center.
hitech is asking you to pay money so that they can make this game/put kids through college/buy better blenders. in exchange they offer you a service.
cool.
i am asking hitech to give us the value that has been promised.
and serving a reminder that it is important to value the opinions of his customers, (even those who disagree) and to deliver promises which have been made in a timely manner, not require that such things be brought about through decorum which hasnt worked until now.
if hitech wants to sell this service as is. cool. i make my choice on this information. so far, i have been buying.
but thats not what they are selling is it?
was this what they sold you when they said that ah2 was going to be the mother of all flight sims? most people say that its pretty much the same. for as little time as i spent in ah1, i dont think it is as good. odd that.
i am simply stating that it is important that the company keep an open line to thier customers and to stop the smoke and mirrors.
id rather be surprized than see everyone getting thier hopes up like this, or raised to a tizzy over tinkering.
i have no personal qualms as i am a consumer, not an adversary.
that said, i find it odd that for as much complaining as has been going on, how easilly pacified we are by a little well placed political ploy such as can be found in an alternate post.
im just not convinced.
believe it when i see it.
and then i will humbly for a job well done.
when it should occur.
all
august the problem child with shades of some guy named twitchy.
p.s. - a public relations person IS a good idea.
Uhhh..... wow. I mean it WOW! Sitting here thinkin' of ALL the stuff I should/could say, but am finding myself speechless.
It really makes it obvious why HT et. all don't talk as much about what they are working on. Jerks and "don't have a clue" dweebs like this. August, you sir (kid?) have no clue. (insert random WHAT A JackA** flame here)
<> HT!! As one who has been 'round for pushin' 10 yrs all I have to say is you never fail to amaze me with the product you are able to produce. Don't let they crybabies and rude kids get you down (I know that gota be difficult) and keep doing the vodoo that you do so well.
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Augest: You are way out of bounds with the content of your post.
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Some people are so darn smart about running an online gaming business. Too bad they can't coad as good as they talk.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by august
"i wouldnt want to be a part of any club that would have me as a member" - woody allen.
WRONG: Groucho Marx. Get your quotes straight. How dare you give credit to that child molesting no-talent idiot... Woody Allen... BAH.
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Originally posted by august
"stay gold ponyboy" - ralph maccio
Come on August??!!?! Are you even trying? Ralph Maccio? He certainly didn't pen that line, he read it off of a script!
The Character he was playing was Johnny Cade. Either Johnny or S.E. Hinton should get the quote credit (hinton being the author)
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Originally posted by hitech
Augest: You are way out of bounds with the content of your post.
i stand by what i say hi tech, again, all respect intended.
it is not personal. certainly you have the best of intentions and i would never mean to give the impression otherwise...but i do have reason for pause.
i may be out of line in my interpretation of events, but to make such a statement as to the validity or bound of my voice is unwarranted. especially without specifics as to why or how.
numberous posts from others have gotten me thinking about the things that i might not have seen or understood, several of them thoughful and mind changing. i appreciate them because they have shown me, for instance, that my understanding of the developement of this game was flawed. i stand corrected.
yet, in many ways the game itself, as it stands... IS flawed and most certainly hasnt been the greatest success in regards to transition.
this is not an indictment, rather an observation, one that many of us have made to each other on the long flights to and fro. one that many of us ourselves have had to walk through.
so, while there have been some things, that may not have come out like i meant them too, or were themselves taken out of context. i stand by the content of my words and i urge you to hear them without malice.
my content is specific with my
feelings with the exception of one final addition.
have you been listening sir?
this is a game. YOUR game. and OUR game of choice and for the most part, since the release of AH2 you have had more dissention, more flames, more
general anger than i have seen in anything in a long time.
you can point that finger in any direction that you want really, but the fact is that it comes down to the buck. it stops with you.
seeing you here, communicating with you is a rarity. ive only seen it once. we have never spoken.
those who are seasoned vets tell me of you being in here all the time, accessible and a part of the system. they also tell me that you arent doing what you can, when you can.
i think its high time someone was "here".
and that i didnt have to be a "member" or a seasoned vet to be in the know.
you may feel free to cancel my subsription to your game at your whim, or edit my posts if that is your method, but to do so, i hope, you will have read this. for that is really all that matters.
no sir. it was not.
and that too is relative.
respectfully yours,
august bach
santa rosa beach florida.
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Originally posted by KurtVW
Come on August??!!?! Are you even trying? Ralph Maccio? He certainly didn't pen that line, he read it off of a script!
The Character he was playing was Johnny Cade. Either Johnny or S.E. Hinton should get the quote credit (hinton being the author)
lol. i know. the outsiders...i was trying to set up the visual.
roflmao
"natures first green is gold, the hardest hue to hold."
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Originally posted by flyingaround
Uhhh..... wow. I mean it WOW! Sitting here thinkin' of ALL the stuff I should/could say, but am finding myself speechless.
It really makes it obvious why HT et. all don't talk as much about what they are working on. Jerks and "don't have a clue" dweebs like this. August, you sir (kid?) have no clue. (insert random WHAT A JackA** flame here)
<> HT!! As one who has been 'round for pushin' 10 yrs all I have to say is you never fail to amaze me with the product you are able to produce. Don't let they crybabies and rude kids get you down (I know that gota be difficult) and keep doing the vodoo that you do so well.
I was the same , truly dumbfounded when I read both his posts.
My favourite is the "gazillion promises" that have been made to him in the 2 months he's been here, which have been broken.
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OK....so at what point does this become more fun than is legal in 15 States not including the republic of kalifornia????
You guys are having wayy too much fun.....:)
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yep. it was groucho.
i stand corrected.
wtg august. (moron) lol
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blimey guvnor!
if you dont like the game how HT gives it to you, then find another game.
customer input is always accepted by HT, but can you imagine how much work he would take on if he had to 'coad' for every little whine and crybaby request we posted?
just fly and kill and die, then repeat, it works for me.
batfink
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Ehh, conversion was difficult....., compared to what?
Seemed to go pretty smooth to me, no one even talks about it hardly anymore, it's been a couple of months? I symapathize with the people whose systems couldn't make the jump, but that is the nature of the technology in general to keep improving rapidly, not the game's fault.
All this discussion of ENY will pass too. Maybe a few people "just can't take it anymore" but I've been in the training arena a few times over the past few weeks and have seen many new faces in there almost every night. If you wanted to use the bbs as a loose sample, I think more are for it than are against it. I certainly haven't noticed any appreciable changes in the MA attendance when I've been logged on.
It's funny all the pontificating that goes on about how the game's failing, yada, yada, yada, did it all wrong, yada,yada, yada but NOBODY, except for HT, really has the facts to back any of it up. Instead of all the whining and moaning, why don't ya just deal with it for a couple of months, if you're right, I'm sure HT will set things back the way they were. Think of all the back slapping and chest pounding that could go on then. Talk about a yada-yada festival.
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good point.
then again...
yall werent gonna say it. but yall have been.
im done. feel free to flame.
august
p.s. - see hitech. they love you. come home.
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Originally posted by august
yep. it was groucho.
i stand corrected.
Of course I was right... I wouldn't have popped off about it if I was afraid of being made an bellybutton of.
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i stand by my words.
period.
save the misquote.
enough tulips around here to run the world on methane.
and, i do respect your allegiance. even if you arent so much that way elsewhere.
you know who you are.
august
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August,
The game is fine. The progress on improvements is normal for this type of online game. No need to panic.
BTW, the tone of your posts is a bit strange.
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too late. saw it.
; )
escoo.
we are entitled to our opinions.
i didnt take it personally. thought it was funny actually.
i am not. was not. (under influence)
was being dicky perhaps, not on purpose, but the just of my feeling is the same and has been for a while now.
i just feel that hitech creations can do more. better. and i think that they have become detached when they need to be around.
and i think that there are alot of open questions that need answered.
i think that the mood of this board reflects this.
i may be wrong, but certainly not entirely.
and i stand by it even if i am, because in my mind it is right.
new or not new.
its what i know. as you know yours.
nicely crafted sir.
a southern gentleman perchance?
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=11
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I love how people stir pots, but never contribute to the ingredients.
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i am an ingredient.
and i am not going there.
if youd really like to hear what i might want to add, shoot me an email. be sure to include your own recipes as well.
lord knows, the last thing i need is to say something for the sake of the post vulchers tonight!
starve post vulcher! STARVE!
say, that sounds like an interesting thread.
lol
august
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After 1 million years of human evolution we can now see it's peak:
The Holy Consumer
:rofl
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Actually seeing no patches the last weeks make me think that hitech is working on the next release.
So my guess would be some neat stuff released when the con starts.
ciao schutt
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I seriously don't understand why people get mad when HT gets snippy.
If you weren't being a ****tard in the first place, he wouldn't get snippy.
I'd love to be back in the day where we got new planes every 2-3 months.. but fact is they've got bigger things on their plates.
Once TOD gets out of the way, we'll start seeing new planes and stuff rolling in. You all have waited for 2 years.. another year won't kill you.
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August, I don't know who you are, meaning what your other UIDs are for the game and the BBS, but where do you come off with this crap?
HTC charges us for the ability to join their server and play the game, PERIOD. There has been no bait and switch. There has been no denial of service. There have been no lies or deception. The entire time I have been playing AH (almost exactly 5 years now) there has never been a time when I did not get what I paid for. Your BBS account was created this month, and you have the unmitigated gall to come here and spew accustations that Hitech/Pyro are sheisters? That really pisses me off!
I cannot name another game that I have played that has been undergoing CONSTANT revisions/additions at any level even approaching AH. I am assuming you are not really a newbie, if that is correct you must be able to see how the game is being constantly improved and development has never ceased. If you are indeed a newbie then I think it is about time you experience a dweeb hunt from the fox's point of view.
I humbly suggest that anytime someone sees "August" in the arena please give his palne type, altitude, location and heading out on the public channel. Right now he's second only to Voss on my must kill list. This is a great game, and it will be just a little bit better when folks like August learn the meaning of respect.
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"i wouldnt want to be a part of any club that would have me as a member" - woody allen, wrong, Groucho Marx, wrong
Oscar Wilde
wipass
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
I cannot name another game that I have played that has been undergoing CONSTANT revisions/additions at any level even approaching AH.
Hear hear!
I have never dealt with any other online or offline game where I could pick up the phone (even on a Saturday) and have a good chance of the owner picking it up and listening to my problem and offering technical support.
Plus you spelled Ralph Macchio wrong....
And would it kill ya to use some capital letters now and then?
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im sorry i posted anything now.. the thread has been hijacked to a different atmos that i would ever have wanted.. please HT lock and/or delete this thread..
this has gone a little too far
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im sorry i posted anything now.. the thread has been hijacked to a different atmos that i would ever have wanted.. please HT lock and/or delete this thread..
this has gone a little too far