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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Black Sheep on September 14, 2004, 12:23:39 AM
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If you stopped limiting the planeset based on side numbers, and started limiting time between flights of the lower ENY aircraft. IE, youve got 400 on your side, you want your pony D ride so bad, that you wont suicide it into a hangar cause it'll take 10 min before its enabled again after you die. That or up a C202.
Lets not limit the planeset, but the time between flights, even if its 3 minutes.
I'm sure someone thought of this already and shot it down :)
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That's not a bad suggestion... You could still have giant furballs, people could still up to defend bases, people could still fly the planes they'd like, people probably wouldn't fly too timidly because the plane they like isn't perked.
It's also not like you're putting a limit on the # of people that can up from a field, which I really don't go for (Some of the most fun fights can be had where your 20+ horde meets 20+ people all upping from their base - many will get off the ground, it can get a little intense).
Then again... It has "compromise" written all over it. People will hate it :p
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Exactly - the lesser of 2 evils
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Sheep,
Midnight and myself pushed for a time limit between flights about 18 months back but it got shouted down. Maybe now that it could be an alternative to the ENY limit, it may be more palatable...
Anyways, I like your suggestion.
:cool:
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Originally posted by Blue Mako
Sheep,
Midnight and myself pushed for a time limit between flights about 18 months back but it got shouted down. Maybe now that it could be an alternative to the ENY limit, it may be more palatable...
Anyways, I like your suggestion.
:cool:
I think so long as the time limit wasn't for all planes, this could work. If it was for all planes, pretty soon you'd find yourself with noone to shoot and nothing to do.
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Not for all planes - Lower ENY values would have a longer wait time between flights - Higher ENy values would not be affected (or have a minimal wait time of say 5 seconds)
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HT's original suggestion was close to this and it got a lot of screams :). However I like the twist you've added which is apply the ENY time limiter to low ENY valued planes. I agree, it might be more palatable!
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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I like that idea.
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or just switch teams - the objective of all this isn't to limit players access to planes but to simply balance the arena. Tough concept for some to understand but it's really that simple
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I like this as an alternative to the current lock out.
Now, what some will likely say is that this would cause timid flying. To be honest, I would rather have more timid flying and a delay to re-up than loose access to a plane together.
:aok :aok :aok
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Originally posted by Zanth
or just switch teams - the objective of all this isn't to limit players access to planes but to simply balance the arena. Tough concept for some to understand but it's really that simple
Some people don't want to switch team. Tough concept, for some to understand, but it's really that simple. :)
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Originally posted by Blammo
Some people don't want to switch team. Tough concept, for some to understand, but it's really that simple. :)
Hence hitech was required to take action, case closed.
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We've switched teams temporarily on squad nights. The problem is we like to fly together with our squad mates outside of that as well so the 6 hour limit presents some challenges if we are switching teams between individual players throughout the week. With a squad of 24 people it gets a little challenging.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Originally posted by Zanth
Hence hitech was required to take action, case closed.
And some people still don't switch sides, and some people log off and some people have have canceled there accounts. So much for wasted effort.
Zanth, if you love the ENY thingie, great, good for you. But not everyone does and not everyone sees with your eyes on this issue. To you it is as simple as people switching sides and if they won't voluntarily, they should be made to. Kind of a weird mind set, but everyone is entitled to their own view.
HTC takes action, individual players take action. HTC makes decisions, individual players make decisions. I know that rubs against your sensibilities, but that is the way it is. Some people (like me) will not switch sides because this game means more to them than just score or balanced numbers or a fair fight. Maybe that is an outdated concept to some, but it isn't to others.
I sure hope the case isn't closed...if it is, Aces High's days are numbers.
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Still wouldn't appease the 'I want to fly what I like WHENEVER I want to' brigade.
In effect your still limiting the plane its just based on different criteria. In fact I blelieve if this was ever implemented you'd be waiting a lot longer than 5 -10 mins. e.g. if you base the limit on the current ENV limit, most still wouldn't 10 -15 mins to get one. (10-15 based on what the average ENV limit seem to be)
Maybe reducing the switch time from the current 6 hours would help?
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I have had no problems with the ENY lockdown system (being a Knight) until yesterday. First the LA-7 and Pony and Spit 9 went away, mildly annoying at first. Then the Spit 5 got locked down and that was surprising. I think it got as high as 18 last night for a few minutes!
But overall I can understand some peoples frustration. I would suggest limiting flights from particular fields over the ENY system but I am sure thats been shot down already..
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Yeah RacrX, had the same as Bish, but we did have a big numerical advantage so no real probs, I just grabbed a different plane.
I believe the field system was discussed and discarded because of moving fronts, probs with HQ etc. Plus whats the difference between a low ENV plane at 25k from a field 25 miles away and one from a field 50 miles away? None, once the conveyor belt is in full swing.
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I am fully aware some lose touch with the reality that this is a game, and therefore lose sight of the relavance of fundamental game concepts like "score or balanced numbers or a fair fight". I find it scarey that anyone takes a game, any game, to mean anything "more" to them than that.
That is not meant as a cut down or anything like that, I am being 100% serious - it is not "normal" or healthy behavior.
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There are 3 conflicting loyalties involved:
1) your close friends (squad),
2) a larger group of friends (country) and
3) the game itself.
I believe if you give all 3 a really close look and think, it will be evident that #3 is the only choice that preserves the life of the other two.
Our squad has had a continuous existence since 1992. If our Aces High squadron fails, well, we would have to find another flight sim. Out of sheer curiosity, I have looked and there are no MMP sims that approach AH in overall quality.
Therefore, it makes sense for our squadron to make choices which benefit the sim first rather than self-serving decisions which benefit the squad or the country for the short run.
We are currently Knights (and have no plans to change in the immediate future.) Having spent the last two years as Bishop, I can faithfully report I still have Bishop friends. We gossip back and forth and do all the things that make community involvement a worthwhile endeavor.
A failure to make choices which benefit the sim is very short sighted.
All of this eny value (necessary) crap will go away when squads start making rational decisions about the future and stop crying that their favorite chew toy now has a bitter flavor.
curly
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Still wouldn't appease the 'I want to fly what I like WHENEVER I want to' brigade.
In effect your still limiting the plane its just based on different criteria. In fact I blelieve if this was ever implemented you'd be waiting a lot longer than 5 -10 mins. e.g. if you base the limit on the current ENV limit, most still wouldn't 10 -15 mins to get one. (10-15 based on what the average ENV limit seem to be)
Maybe reducing the switch time from the current 6 hours would help?
Why would we have to base the limit on the current ENY limit? I think many, if not most, people will agree that the ENY system is a rough draft that could use a revision or two.
Ok, so far what I interpret BlackSheep's original idea is this:
1. If, and Only If, your side possesses a sizeable numerical advantage at the time, anyone and everyone can STILL fly WHATEVER plane they want, IMMEDIATELY, ONCE .
2. If they manage to land it, (or even possibly ditch it close to home), they can take it out again, immediately.
3. If they die, crash, or are forced to bail out, then they can still fly that plane, but they are required to wait a short period to reup it. This period really doesn't have to be any more than 5 minutes.
4. If they did die, crash, or bail from a certain plane, they are still more than welcome to take a different plane, even if the difference is between an La7 and Pony, for their next sortie, immediately.
This would certainly seem to beat the current situation where somone can be deprived of their favorite ride the ENTIRE time they're on for the night (some people don't get to fly as much as I do, some people only do get half an hour, and a pony is one of those planes that can definately be unavailable for their entire nights' AH enjoyment time - which, bottom line, just isn't cool).
I really hope others can add on to how this might work, and offer constructive ideas, forsight, and concerns. I sincerely hope that this thread is not hijacked into a "switch countries already".
And BlackSheep, if I was misinterpreting some or all of your ideas, please let me know and elaborate on yours.
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Originally posted by Zanth
I am fully aware some lose touch with the reality that this is a game, and therefore lose sight of the relavance of fundamental game concepts like "score or balanced numbers or a fair fight". I find it scarey that anyone takes a game, any game, to mean anything "more" to them than that.
That is not meant as a cut down or anything like that, I am being 100% serious - it is not "normal" or healthy behavior.
Then why are you arguing the point? Obviously, this "game" means enough to you to take extra time out of your day, read through all these posts and then reply with your own thoughts and ideas as to what you think is right.
Why should I or anyone be forced to switch countries because I want to fly a certain plane? If the P-51D got locked because I, ME, MYSELF, ALONE did something to loose it (like crashed it into the ground, got shot down, etc.) then I can deal with the loss.
However, I find it absurd to loose it just because a bunch of other players logged in and happened to be in the same country as I am. So basically, what I am saying is.... Quit logging in to play AH! You're ruining MY fun!
The current ENY system is not player controllable, and that is the real issue to me. What if I switch sides (to fly the P-51D) and then the side I switched to all the sudden has more poeple log in (for squad night or whatever) Now I am stuck until the country switch timer expires? That's BS, I'll log out.
Put aircraft availabilty into the player's hands so they can make things happen or not happen for themselves.