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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKcurly on September 14, 2004, 04:11:11 PM
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Group offers $50,000 for proof of Bush service
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/14/bush.texans/
I'm no fan of G. Bush, but surely he can provide the proof! Better yet, send me the proof and let me claim the $50k.
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Group offers $50,000 for proof of Bush service
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/14/bush.texans/
I'm no fan of G. Bush, but surely he can provide the proof! Better yet, send me the proof and let me claim the $50k.
curly
Enjoy your $50k.
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Why looky there.......... it says Honorable Discharge!
Wonder what that means?
Honorable. The Honorable characterization is appropriate when the quality of the member's service generally has met the standards of acceptable conduct and performance of duty for military personnel, or is otherwise so meritorious that any other characterization would be clearly inappropriate.
(For example, a Medal of Honor recipient would almost always receive an Honorable Discharge, unless he/she was involved in the most serious of misconduct).
In the case of an Honorable Discharge, an Honorable Discharge Certificate (DD Form 256) is awarded and a notation is made on the appropriate copies of The DD Form 214/5.
Can I have the $50K now? Cash please; thanks.
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Why post that Toad? It was game over in one post. Our last two posts should be deleted and the thread should be locked and stickied. :)
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Those documents are the forgeries!!!!!!!!
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Why does it state, "not available for signature"?
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Not available for signature = They all say that. These documents are filled out by clerks well before the service member sees them. They are thrust into your discharge packets and thrown at you on your way out the door.
At least thats how mine worked.
Speeds up the process.
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Just guessing, Furious, but I would say that it is because he was not available to sign it.
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My question was not an indictment, as I could care less what happened 30 years ago. I am just curious.
I signed mine. Was happier than a pig in **** to do so :)
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I was not available to sign mine Furious. Heck, I didn't even know until I got it, that it had a place to sign. hehe
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Hmmm... I signed mine.
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When is America gonna learn how guard/reserve service works.
If I take 6 months off but in the other six months accumulate enough points to qualify for a successfull drill year I just completed one year of my total contract.
The future president joined the Guard in May 1968. Almost immediately, he began an extended period of training. Six weeks of basic training. Fifty-three weeks of flight training. Twenty-one weeks of fighter-interceptor training.
That was 80 weeks to begin with, and there were other training periods thrown in as well. It was full-time work. By the time it was over, Bush had served nearly two years.
Not two years of weekends. Two years.
After training, Bush kept flying, racking up hundreds of hours in F-102 jets. As he did, he accumulated points toward his National Guard service requirements. At the time, guardsmen were required to accumulate a minimum of 50 points to meet their yearly obligation.
According to records released earlier this year, Bush earned 253 points in his first year, May 1968 to May 1969 (since he joined in May 1968, his service thereafter was measured on a May-to-May basis).
Bush earned 340 points in 1969-1970. He earned 137 points in 1970-1971. And he earned 112 points in 1971-1972. The numbers indicate that in his first four years, Bush not only showed up, he showed up a lot. Did you know that?
That brings the story to May 1972 — the time that has been the focus of so many news reports — when Bush “deserted” (according to anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore) or went “AWOL” (according to Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee).
Bush asked for permission to go to Alabama to work on a Senate campaign. His superior officers said OK. Requests like that weren’t unusual, says retired Col. William Campenni, who flew with Bush in 1970 and 1971.
“In 1972, there was an enormous glut of pilots,” Campenni says. “The Vietnam War was winding down, and the Air Force was putting pilots in desk jobs. In ’72 or ’73, if you were a pilot, active or Guard, and you had an obligation and wanted to get out, no problem. In fact, you were helping them solve their problem.”
So Bush stopped flying. From May 1972 to May 1973, he earned just 56 points — not much, but enough to meet his requirement.
Then, in 1973, as Bush made plans to leave the Guard and go to Harvard Business School, he again started showing up frequently.
In June and July of 1973, he accumulated 56 points, enough to meet the minimum requirement for the 1973-1974 year.
Then, at his request, he was given permission to go. Bush received an honorable discharge after serving five years, four months and five days of his original six-year commitment. By that time, however, he had accumulated enough points in each year to cover six years of service.
were he was doenst matter if he has enough points for the year.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Enjoy your $50k.
Hmm, possession of a satisfactory dd-214 doesn't answer the questions they pose, does it?
I guess you didn't read the link.
It says:
(CNN) -- The founder of the group Texans for Truth said Tuesday that he is offering $50,000 to anyone who can prove President Bush fulfilled his service requirements, including required duties and drills, in the Alabama Air National Guard in 1972.
and I repeat, it should be dead simple for G. Bush to prove this. Why hasn't someone collected the $50k?
curly
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how could he prove it curly other than show his honerable discharge? How bout a note from his commander written with miocrosoft word from '72?
lazs
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Fake or forgery?..I say we ask Collin Powell
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by lazs2
how could he prove it curly other than show his honerable discharge? How bout a note from his commander written with miocrosoft word from '72?
lazs
Aw heck, Lazs, this is just a fart in the WC. Nothing is going to come of it.
The presence of political influence to get GW in the guard makes folks suspicious about his behavior while he was in the guard. This question, more or less, makes the dd-214 meaningless.
Political influence is a big no-no, at least for elected officials. Anyone know off hand how many children of sitting congressmen actually served in Vietnam? As best as I recall, the number is zero. Or was that the number who died?
curly
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guess I am missing the point curly... if he (Bush) had more than enough points earned in every year of service and an honerable dishcharge then what does he have to prove? that a memo is a forgery?
lazs
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Beacause nobody cares about the honorable military services of both Bush and Kerry. Kerry's shameful vietamese communist propaganga like betrayal of his country and his "brothers in arms" by depiting them all as worse than the hordes of genghis khan once he got back home is another matter entirely...
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With these current events wouldn't Americans perfer a Prez who was smart enough to avoid Nam?
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They do except Clinton can't have a third term (TG).
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Yea libs, where was all this democratic party furor about military service when Bill Clinton ran?? Was it at Oxford, or maybe on a trip to Moscow like IIRC Clinton was during Vietnam???