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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Chaos68 on September 14, 2004, 09:40:45 PM
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how much does it cost to go through trainning? Can someone point me to a good website with any info on becoming a pilot? Im in the SE Michigan area if someone knows of a good school i could look up?
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rgr i got a flyer a while back and about 3000 for private
3500 for instrument
and there was one other. but i don't think that includes ground school.
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Stop being lazy and go to your local airport.
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This should help:
http://www.beapilot.com/indexfl.html
Go to flightschools. Check out MI
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Stop being lazy and go to your local airport.
:rofl
thanks cpxx
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
rgr i got a flyer a while back and about 3000 for private
3500 for instrument
and there was one other. but i don't think that includes ground school.
You´re serious about those prices? Does it include flying hours or do you have to pay them also?
Because PPL (private pilots license) costs about 9k€ in Finland and for Instrument rating , you have to have 100 hours logged. Maybe 10 k€.
In our club we have pretty cheap price per hour, about 90€/h.
But whew I want to move there if flying is so cheap around there!!!
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Originally posted by Chaos68
how much does it cost to go through trainning? Can someone point me to a good website with any info on becoming a pilot? Im in the SE Michigan area if someone knows of a good school i could look up?
Best way to go is through the military if your looking to having a career as a pilot. Unless you have strong contacts in the industry I would think long and hard about doing pilot training unless your just looking at PPL.
...-Gixer
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3000 where?
I've looked into a few times..total cost..without instruments will end up being more like 8000
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I'm looking at about $5000 for a PPL, at least.
That's not including equiptment like Books, Headsets...toys...
But check out Beapilot.com.
You can take an intro flight for $49.00 and see if you like it.
Also, before you sign anything, or pay for anything, ask the guys here. They know.
For example, my brother in law signed up for flight lessons and was ready to plunk down $5700 for training. I looked at the contract and they were training him in a C-172 2000 and charging him $20.00 more an hour than they charged for a C-152!!!
He was all ready to sign up.
These schools are always working some type of angle, so ask before you sign.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
For example, my brother in law signed up for flight lessons and was ready to plunk down $5700 for training. I looked at the contract and they were training him in a C-172 2000 and charging him $20.00 more an hour than they charged for a C-152!!!
Average price for a C-172 with instructor is $100-$120/hr. Average flight hours for PPL training is around 60 hours. And ground school usually runs around $20-$30/hr with average ground school time of 10-20 hours.
So depending on what the $5700 includes (Flight hours and ground school), its a decent price.
Terror.
PS. $20/hr more for a C-172 over a C-152 is worth it in my opinion.
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What is so different about a C-152 to a C-172 from a standpoint of training that would warrant another $800 to $1600 over a training course?
I fly the PA-28 so I really have no idea but I thought the C-152 was a basic version of the 172 but with 2 seats.
Whats a C-172 2000?
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$3000 is a bit low..
depending on how profecient you are, it can cost prolly as little as $4000 for the basic PPL (without IFR of course)
for me, the ground school (with books and such) cost $300, then its $70/hr for plane rental and $30/hr for instructor
sofar
11 hours solo - $770
29 hours dual - $2900
So with ground school and the $140 headset I bought, its been about $4k and I'm just waiting to go for my checkride at this point.
Thing is that most people need way more then 40 hours. Its interesting that most of the guys my age at my school are all getting theirs at 40 (and they're good for sure) but the older men and women are not doing so well. Was watching one older woman doing touch and gos and she couldn't land one cleanly, and she had 60 some odd hours. Go figure
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Originally posted by moose
$3000 is a bit low..
depending on how profecient you are, it can cost prolly as little as $4000 for the basic PPL (without IFR of course)
for me, the ground school (with books and such) cost $300, then its $70/hr for plane rental and $30/hr for instructor
sofar
11 hours solo - $770
29 hours dual - $2900
So with ground school and the $140 headset I bought, its been about $4k and I'm just waiting to go for my checkride at this point.
Thing is that most people need way more then 40 hours. Its interesting that most of the guys my age at my school are all getting theirs at 40 (and they're good for sure) but the older men and women are not doing so well. Was watching one older woman doing touch and gos and she couldn't land one cleanly, and she had 60 some odd hours. Go figure
Most woman cannot operaton on 2 axis...ie a car.
You want them to be proficient at 3????
hehe..
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
What is so different about a C-152 to a C-172 from a standpoint of training that would warrant another $800 to $1600 over a training course?
I fly the PA-28 so I really have no idea but I thought the C-152 was a basic version of the 172 but with 2 seats.
Whats a C-172 2000?
You can see over the dash in a 152:)
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Did mine in 88 for $1300.
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Gixer, maybe its that way in NZ but the regionals here are starting to hire like crazy. Many more civilian trained pilots are now on the paid ranks. It takes more work but can be done. Get you CFI and off you go building hours, then get your multi and build that to 250-500 and you are golden.
Key is to go to a decent program, preferably a college based one.
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im in for about 5k....
42 hours
it also included ground school
but i havent flown since gas prices rised so much..
DRILL THRU THE GODAM REINDEERS HEAD IN ALASKA DAMMIT
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Originally posted by Dnil
Gixer, maybe its that way in NZ but the regionals here are starting to hire like crazy. Many more civilian trained pilots are now on the paid ranks. It takes more work but can be done. Get you CFI and off you go building hours, then get your multi and build that to 250-500 and you are golden.
Key is to go to a decent program, preferably a college based one.
And you have experience in the aviaition industry? Get your CFI,Multi,IFR,ATPL and go build some hours, have you looked at the price of that? Not ot mention the price of multi engine turbine time.
250-500 hours I don't know of any regional airlines that would employ anyone with that, maybe you could get some GA and Bush work. But flying regional airlines?
Most Airlines have a stack of resumes and unless your hours are over 1000 they have no need to look at it.
I'm only familiar with Helicopter industry and under 1000 hours turbine time work is scarce. Operators won't even look at you unless your over 1000 hours and the good jobs don't start till 3000 hour plus.
Grim outlook but it's realisitc. Get tired of hearing CFI's selling flight training and saying yes get this,this and this and after 200 hours and with some hard work you'll be flying for AA, dosn't work that way.
...-Gixer
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Best way to go is through the military if your looking to having a career as a pilot. Unless you have strong contacts in the industry I would think long and hard about doing pilot training unless your just looking at PPL.
Actually, here in the U.S. its very hard to get into a military aviation program. The military takes only the best and brightest.
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True, it's hard to get into the military program, but you just can't beat the price. I just pinned on AF wings last week, for a grand cost of $0.00. Now granted, it took 6 years of hard work and I owe ten more now that I've finished training, but it's worth it to fly some of the coolest planes in the world.
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This was at corona airport about a few months ago. the price may have gone up, but what makes it cheap is the fact that Corona has the Cheapest gas in all socal area airports.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
What is so different about a C-152 to a C-172 from a standpoint of training that would warrant another $800 to $1600 over a training course?
I fly the PA-28 so I really have no idea but I thought the C-152 was a basic version of the 172 but with 2 seats.
Whats a C-172 2000?
Usually people that step up from a 152 to an (older) 172 do so because of height or weight. I can't sit comfortably in a 152 at all. Secondary factor would be performance as a 172 has quite a bit bigger engine.
C-172 2000, I'm guessing they're talking about an R or S model.
A lot of people jump in those because "They're pretty" and have newer radio stacks, gps, etc. For the majority of your private training, a well maintained older model is fine and less expensive.
Might be worth it to step up to a newer model once you start doing cross country so you can play with all the pretty stuff, but definitely wont make or break your training.
Since Cessna doesn't make the 152 any more, they're harder to get parts for and a lot of places are phasing them out. Same thing with 172RG (retractable gear).
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Originally posted by LLv34 Jarsci
You´re serious about those prices? Does it include flying hours or do you have to pay them also?
Because PPL (private pilots license) costs about 9k€ in Finland and for Instrument rating , you have to have 100 hours logged. Maybe 10 k€.
In our club we have pretty cheap price per hour, about 90€/h.
But whew I want to move there if flying is so cheap around there!!!
You'd be truly amazed at the number of european pilots that
come over here to train and build hours.
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Gixer, I worked for American Eagle scheduling new pilots into training. Basically I was their daddy for 3 weeks. We had one guy with a TOTAL time of 800 hours, guy still had a bad case of acne he was so young. He was sitting in class with B-1 pilots.
250-500 MULTI engine time is the baseline with 1k to 1500 total time to get picked up by a regional. You can find these numbers on most pilot sites. Helicopter is a whole different beast. It sucks. My brother in law who flies for delta was a UH-1N pilot in the marines and during a recent furlough flew oil rig flights, blech what a crap assignment.
My total training as a civilian is around 45k. Luckily I am a Texas veteran and it all gets picked up by the state of Texas. I already had my private before I started the program. Most of the instructors at the school are former students and once they have emassed enough hours usually flow through to the regionals. Had 2 more hired just this week. 1 to Eagle and another to continental. With money it can be done.
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Originally posted by Rino
You'd be truly amazed at the number of european pilots that
come over here to train and build hours.
Second that, I spent six happy weeks flying around Tennessee, Arkansas, Missisippi and Alabama building hours and working on my Instrument Rating. Great days. At the time the little town of Bolivar TN was like a mini United Nations, Swedes, Finns, Brits, Norwegians, Spanish, French, Irish even Californians.
Flying in America is definitely to be recommended. I remember in 2000 I could rent a Cessna 150 for $35 an hour solo.
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Now granted, it took 6 years of hard work and I owe ten more now that I've finished training, but it's worth it to fly some of the coolest planes in the world.
Wow, congrats. Hope they dont put you in some boring plane like the C-130, C-17, C-141 or C5a.
Its hard to beat civilian acrobatic planes like the Pitts or Suhkois. The next step up from those planes (in terms of excitement) would be an F-16.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Wow, congrats. Hope they dont put you in some boring plane like the C-130, C-17, C-141 or C5a.
Its hard to beat civilian acrobatic planes like the Pitts or Suhkois. The next step up from those planes (in terms of excitement) would be an F-16.
I'd take a job flying any of the planes on your boring list in a heartbeat.
As for the acro planes, there's a saying that I read somewhere that goes something like;
"You can't break the sound barrier in an Extra, but you can't Lomcevak a F-16"
Don't remember where I read that. Extra 300 is an amazing plane btw. Breath on the stick and it'll snap over.
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How would you build up hours? Do you just pay the rental of the plane and fuel and go?
How many hours would i need for a private?
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People only really build hours after their Private as they work towards their Commerical. Basically it's just cross country flying and having fun. There is nothing quite like turning up an airport with a fully fueled aircraft ready to go and thinking : 'Where will I go today?' Doing this in the USA is very popular with European pilots. It's cheaper and the weather in places like Texas and Florida is very consistent particularly compared to typical claggy European weather.
Hours: Minimum is 40 for an private, 30 for a recreational. It usually takes longer, 60 hours is common. 70, 80 even 100 is common too. If you do a full time course it might take less time. It just depends on your ability and how long a time it takes for you get the hours done. I had two six month gaps in my training (money, money). So I had to re learn a lot and it pushed up my hours. That's very common.
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Don't think I've ever thought of a C130 as being something boring to fly.
(http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/030128-O-9999J-028.jpg)
...-Gixer
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ok..i think there is a BIG differnce in c-130s..
AC-130 a whole diffenrt world..
that has got to be my favorite modern day multi eng plane..close as we get to b-17s; )
I wacth those badazzz gunships everyday from my moms dock on the beach at Eglin AFB..runway is about 300 yds off the rigth hand side of there docks..or where there dock used to be before this last storm