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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gixer on September 15, 2004, 06:58:04 AM
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Xmas will come early this year!
http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/pacificfighters_pc.htm
The award-winning flight combat from Oleg Maddox’s IL-2 series moves the setting from the Eastern front to the fierce combat of the Pacific theater. Allied fighters and bombers square off against the notorious air power of the Japanese empire. For the first time, a large variety of British aircraft will be included along with the U.S. and Australian planes. Target enemy ships, vehicles, airfields, and a host of AI-controlled aircraft. Re-enact some of the most famous air battles of WWII in places like Pearl Harbor, Guadalcanal, and Iwo Jima.
Game Features
Fly a variety of WWII fighters and bombers: Fly for the U.S., Japan, Great Britain, and Australia in famous fighters such as the F6F Hellcat, the deadly Japanese Zero, and the UK’s Supermarine Seafire. Flyable bombers such as the Aichi D3A1 Val, G4M2 Betty, SBD Dauntless, and A-20 Havoc are also included. Over 40 flyable aircraft models are available.
New! Includes aircraft carriers: For the first time in the 1C: Maddox game series, players will be able to take off from, land on, and engage enemy aircraft carriers in combat.
Accessible to players of all skill levels: With its extensive tutorials and customizable settings, the game will appeal to both beginning and expert pilots. Nearly every level of realism and difficulty can be tuned to fit user tastes.
Award-winning IL-2-style combat-simulation gameplay: As with every product in the IL-2 series, Pacific Fighters offers unparalleled attention to detail. The smart AI, unequaled damage model, and sense of realism combine to immerse players like no other combat flight simulation.
Maps of the most famous battles of the Pacific: 16 new maps are included with famous historical locations such as Midway, Okinawa, Pearl Harbor, and Singapore. Wave movements on the beach, volumetric clouds, and thick vegetation are some of the visual attributes that are rendered in detail.
Attack a vast array of targets ranging from railroads to battleships: Ground objects such as trains, trucks, and tanks can all be pounded from the air. Torpedo historically accurate ships, drop parafrags on enemy airfields, and encounter over 100 other targets on the ground and at sea.
An unsurpassed multiplayer option: Take part in massive live engagements that feature plane formations, numerous ships, and ground troops in a variety of modes from free-for-all dogfights to multiplayer campaigns.
(http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/devupdate/030904/amatsukaze2.jpg)
(http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/devupdate/030904/KI46vsP38_3.jpg)
...-Gixer
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I flew a few hops in FB/AEP last night ans was thinking about PF. With the lethality and volume of the ground fire in FB/AEP I cannot imagine getting anywhere near a cpaital ship in PF. I'm wondering if they are going to 'detune' it some.
Is it an expansion pack like Aces or is it stand alone? Does it install into the IL2 directory like Forgotten battles did?
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PF, will include everything from Aces. It's kind'of like an expansion but Maddoc is claiming it's new.
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Its standalone yet also an update. mmm
I think it works like this:
you dont need il-2 to play it its a totally seperate sim in its own right.
but...
if you have IL2-AEP and install over it you get all the AEP planes to use and fly as well.
carriers have rolling decks as well which should make landing fun :D
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I keep looking at the screenshots on their website, so far the only thing I don;t care for is the 'wake' or roostertail left in the water by a low flying plane. I'm not saying there shouldn't be one but they seem overmodeled to me.
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Its stand alone (you will only get the pac stuff) or an addon to FB/AEP.
I fly FB/AEP quite often and its lotsa fun. Ack will be deadly in PF as it should. In PF when your carier is sunk it doesnt regenterate until the the server is reset.
You will still see many AH type suicide folks trying their best to sink the ships. These types of planes attract these types of folks. They even modelled "Ohka" and post a kamikazi attack in their ss.
(http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/270804/kamikaze4.jpg)
Scripted DF servers will be a joke if the the main target is the carriers even with the amount of ack and aa.
Some of the labelling they put on the developement screens is laughable
The call this a "Aichi D3A "Val" dive-bombers"
(http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/270804/ph2.jpg)
and this a Mitsubishi A6M "Zero"
(http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/270804/ph3.jpg)
Hopefully there will be non scripted DF servers, coops and online wars so we dont have to suffer through those skilled suicide folks.
There's a few films and it would appear that the carrer landings will be no joke. From most of the the films though it appears as if the ships will roll depending on the seas/weather but do not pitch.
Here's and example:
Wildcat (http://195.140.143.41/~checksix/pf/videos/wildcat.wmv)
Also in the past few months there have been several test of 64 player df servers.
So folks have trouble adjsuting to the FB/AEP online. In my experience even the 32 man servers offer up more pure df actions that what is currently found in AH.
We have been in fights that just get the heart moving from the deck to 6000m. Its even more fun fighting planes like the p51 and spit because they actually fight rather then just blow through on their way to fly into the ground.
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King George V class BBs at Pearl? Hmmm....
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A lot of the things in those screens - if not all- are still in development Karnak.
For example, in one screenshot where a Betty is doing a low pass by some destroyers - they are clearly the Russian destroyers that can be seen in the Crimea QMB map... so they were probably just doing tests or wanted some basic stuff to show what it will potentially look like.
They also state that neither the Kate or Avenger will be flyable (and more depressingly, I've not seen any mention of a Devestater as even AI... but the Avenger is supposed to be flyable in the release version.
Hell, I wouldn't even put money on that November release. If I remember correctly - a little before FB was to be released it got pushed back... and back... and was finally released.
There are a lot of enhancements (smoke, water) in this version - and some new features (openable cockpits - may be better for carrier landing views but thats just a rumor, folding wings, etc)... so this looks like it will be a very nice release for eye candy.
Unfortunately the AI will still suck, and there are a lot of things that could be made scorable or having an influence so online wars could be better run (fuel tanks at fields, factories in cities, etc), and also allow some influence in offline campaigns which would make the moving front line aspect more interesting.
But, Oleg has found his market - the furballing DFers that care little for realism, accuracy, or even depth in a game, and just want to be bad bellybutton top gun fighter pilots.
-SW
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wonder if the American Planes will all be uberporked just to support his anti-american bias???
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You mean like the P38, P39, P40, P47 and P51s currently in the game?
-SW
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Originally posted by Bodhi
wonder if the American Planes will all be uberporked just to support his anti-american bias???
Are you just repeating the farm bois or do you own the game?
Ami planes are as competitive in FB as in any other.
The problem with ami planes in FB is the same thing you get in Ah. The folks who chose to fly those planes suck 90% of the time and don't know wtf they are doing.
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"But, Oleg has found his market - the furballing DFers that care little for realism, accuracy, or even depth in a game, and just want to be bad bellybutton top gun fighter pilots. "
Funny I thought that pretty much sums up the MA these days.
...-Gixer
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I never said it didn't.
-SW
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Pretty low to come here, advertise another product and take cheap shots at us too.
If you want to discuss other games, that is fine. But at least show a modicum of respect and remember what forums you are posting on.
Thank you.
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HTC really must be loosing customers fast....
This reaction is a first one from HTC.
And the novel that Pyro wrote the other day, i havnt seen him post that much in over ten years.
:lol
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It was not a "reaction". It was a request.
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Gixer, you should just go over to the IL2 forums and stay there... along with all the rest of the pathetic whining children that ruin THIS game.
Wotan, yes, I have it. I also fly real Warbirds, and as far as I am concerned, no game is right on, especially when you start talking the views. But as far as flight model, I say AH is better, but that is still lacking considering the limitations a computer game has compared to reality. For my money, I stay with AH, because the company is concerned about longevity, and not just a quick buck...
Guarantee IL2 fades long before AH...
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Almost every game has a sertain lifespan, but some games have that extra little thing that keeps it alive. Countertrike has it because it is so simple, and with CS Source it will without at doubt live for a very very long time. AH has it because its simple to learn, but you can always get better at it. It also has a great community and a staff that really cares about it. AH will survive for as long as the staff keeps updating it with new stuff and graphics once in a while and doesnt distance itself from the community. Im not sure, but it seems that AH has older players compared to other games, and that prolly means that the players are less in it for the pure eyecandy than other games.
my 0.02$
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Man this bodhi guy is really tough. Maybe you should go Gixer..we dont need any trouble here. and dont ever ever ever say there are furballers in the MA again!
As to how long each game will last..they will last so long as they play to their strengths not their fears.
Oleg is certainly playing to his strengths.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Gixer, you should just go over to the IL2 forums and stay there... along with all the rest of the pathetic whining children that ruin THIS game.
Wotan, yes, I have it. I also fly real Warbirds, and as far as I am concerned, no game is right on, especially when you start talking the views. But as far as flight model, I say AH is better, but that is still lacking considering the limitations a computer game has compared to reality. For my money, I stay with AH, because the company is concerned about longevity, and not just a quick buck...
Guarantee IL2 fades long before AH...
I fly the planes in FB/AEP just like I did AH planes and have np with the performance with any of them. In fact they are very similar.
You didn’t mention views or even FMs in general. You claimed Oleg "uberporks" US planes.
I am not an Oleg fan boi anymore then an AH one but what you posted sounds as if you haven't flown much Fb at all. I will take your word for it that you have but that doesn’t explain away your claim that Oleg has an anti-Ami bias and this is reflected in the ac performance. Take a p51 up some time or a p40.
These planes are way competitive against their contempories. Same with the p47 and p38. The only plane that is really different then in AH is the 190 series which resembles more of the WB’s fm. They seem to think the 190 could only fly straight and level.
The main difference in FB and AH is the skill level on the 32 man servers. You are far more likely to an encounter some one who knows what he is doing in a 1 on 1 in FB then when you run into a horde of building battlers in AH.
Both Ah and FB aircraft perform very similar at least from my 20+ hours a week flying them.
Views are only an issue if you don’t have track IR or don’t use any of the 3rd party view programs. With track IR I see everything I need to.
The weakness of Il2 ? FB / AEP is how trim works. You can actually fly the plane just with trim. AH's CT and how man trim is done is far superior.
IL2 has been around for more then 3 years and during that time has added many new aircraft and features and free patches. They certainly added more ac and fixes then AH in this time frame. I am not comparing the 2 companies but since you are it’s necessary to point this out.
Plus all the 3rd party stuff like PF that is driving development right now. But Il2 it’s a boxed game and there comes a time where you move on to the next project like BoB. Incidentally, there a 3rd party projects for BoF of Poland working right along with BoB development.
AH is a great game and so is FB. The 2 aren’t really in direct competition and many folks enjoy both. I did for the longest time.
You may not like Il2 but there's no need for exaggerations.
With that reply I risk sounding like a wwiiol fan boi so this will be my last reply in this thread.
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I will Never Buy a UBI product again. Its clear that they along with thier Russian development houses are out to screw the American flight Sim fan.
Those *******s at UBI market the hell out of AEP.....showcasing some of the American rides and they don't even ship an American campain with it.
Those UBI *******s put a Zero on the cover of AEP for Japense market and shipped it with no Jap campaign no Jap ground object ..etc.
Oleg got exposed for his "20% fluff" in the Russian rides when sombody figured out how to extract performance data directly from the game. Holy bias batman. (don't give me that AI ****).
OMG I don't want even get started about Lock-On
I urge the American Flight Sim consumer to stay clear of all UBI products.
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Originally posted by Karnak
King George V class BBs at Pearl? Hmmm....
The game will be released with the Colorado and Arizona class battleships but they weren't available in that beta version. In addition the Yorktown, Essex classes will be available with the final versions-they aren't in the beta I have. Only one class of Aircraft carrier (akagi) is in the game right now, the Zuikaku and Shihano should be in the final release.
Suprisingly there will be no Yamato, I would have loved to see that one. You guys have to remember this isn't completed yet, but it is pretty darned close.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Man this bodhi guy is really tough. Maybe you should go Gixer..we dont need any trouble here. and dont ever ever ever say there are furballers in the MA again!
As to how long each game will last..they will last so long as they play to their strengths not their fears.
Oleg is certainly playing to his strengths.
Pongo, get a life...
Oh, and I have to agree with Skuzzy, Gixes's comments are poor form, and belong on another board... but then again, maybe being a rude arse is ok in your world
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All these "other game" threads turn out the same. It sucks because I like reading them..
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I particully like the
"I will Never Buy a UBI product again. Its clear that they along with thier Russian development houses are out to screw the American flight Sim fan. "
Quite amusing.
...-Gixer
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I am actually looking forward to this one because it will give me something else to play.
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Personal attack
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Off topic
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I think you missed the whole point BigMan. I will buy it because it is something different.
I don't care who puts out a flight simulation game; I do my best to support them because that is what I like to play over those hoopty shoot 'em up games where you get rail guns and crap like that.
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Okay, I've seen BigMan's rant before... Hi MC_Honky.
Go back to special ed class, I already told you the extracted performance is the AI flight model.
-SW
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Those are nice graphics but if you can't play against up to 749 other people, I'm sorry, it's not for me.
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I cant wait to try that game out.;)
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The world is after you BigMan, run, RUN!!
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Err, are there F4u's in this game?
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Err yes
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/501_1095338315_f4u-1d_corsair2.jpg)
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Pongo, get a life...
Oh, and I have to agree with Skuzzy, Gixes's comments are poor form, and belong on another board... but then again, maybe being a rude arse is ok in your world
Big supprise you agree with skuzzy.
just so we are clear...
""But, Oleg has found his market - the furballing DFers that care little for realism, accuracy, or even depth in a game, and just want to be bad bellybutton top gun fighter pilots. "
Funny I thought that pretty much sums up the MA these days.
...-Gixer"
that is what was said. They guy said that the MA is a furball.
MA IS A FURBALL MA IS A FURBALL.
The only person being rude in this thread is you. In your terrified little world its impossible to like IL2 and AH. Big news break. Many many many of us play both. Many of us play both in the same night. Your attack on Gixer was stupid and rude, the fact that the moderater chose to flame him and not you says tones about this board.
People are lameting the absense of Russian planes on Il2 servers now. Why? Because the growth of the game has all been in the US in the last 6 months. PF will accellerate that. If likeing Il2 is a black mark against a person as a customer of AH then HTC better get used to allot fewer customers.
so scamper arround at Skuzzys heels slobering like a little mutt looking for scraps if you like. But trying to claim some kind of moral high ground for your actions is hilarios.
OTOH. If what has angered skuzzy is the cut and paste anouncment of so much PF marketing info. Then say that HTC doenst like that kind of thing and move on. The furball statement was not even close to deserving the response.