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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JB35 on September 15, 2004, 06:26:05 PM
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Instead of the current system of an Instant coverage of the canopy with oil , when the Eng oil is Hit
Make the Oil spray on the canopy get darker and darker the longer you fly , you know start out small then get larger as the wind forces it out of the Eng Compartment .
Just a Thought :cool:
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I think its pretty good the way it is. The instant curtain of oil can become frustrating, but it does become a strong motive to make the pilot indeed acknowledge the damage, and rtb.
Getting an engine oil can leak was a very serious thing in real life, and pilots would have done anything to get back home in one piece. Compared to that, in AH1 we generally used to consider it as a time-limit and think "oh well, I'll fight for 5 more minutes and rtb".
The seriousness of the damage might not scare a game pilot, but the limited view sure will!
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To be honest, I find it very view constricting. But when I play IL2 and the oil is hit, I dont mind. Heres why:
My engine in AH2 sounds healthy til it shuts off. In IL2, I can hear the difference, I don't have to look at a meter to tell me that the engine is going to seize up.
If we could do this for AH2, it would really give the pilots something to think about.
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How about being able to slide the canopy back so you can see a bit at least to the side.
Dan/Slack
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hmmm.. burning oil facial mask anyone?
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Did every engine oil hit result in oil on the canopy in WW2? There are alot of spaces leaking oil can go, not just necesarily on the canopy. Personally I'd like to see the damage display done away with forcing the pilot to check his systems when he hears that *crunch* sound.
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Agreed. Having the ENGOIL hit and spraying it all over my windshield instantly is getting frustrating.
Oil can spray other places. It doesn't always go all over the windshield!
Oh, and I like the idea for engdamage sounds. That would kick ass, and it'd give you something to think about, as was said earlier.
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If ya,ll fly twin engine planes you dont have to worry about it.!!
:D
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Originally posted by JB35
Instead of the current system of an Instant coverage of the canopy with oil , when the Eng oil is Hit
Make the Oil spray on the canopy get darker and darker the longer you fly , you know start out small then get larger as the wind forces it out of the Eng Compartment .
Just a Thought :cool:
yeah but woulldnt the wind kinda thin out the oil makeing it easyier to see?
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yeah but woulldnt the wind kinda thin out the oil makeing it easyier to see?
Try applying a dark coat of grease on the windshield of your car, and see if you can look forwrad through that.
Having the ENGOIL hit and spraying it all over my windshield instantly is getting frustrating.
I agree that it is frustrating. But in a game where life isn't much of a strong motive and death is nothing to fear, there's gotta be some alternative motive to make the damage mean something.
The hampering of visibility creates a strong motive for people to realize that the damage to the oil cans is something you can't just laught at - you have to go back home.
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Think about it. Why are people frustrated at the oil streaks in the first place?
Because, they don't think the damage is serious, and they want to fight as if nothing happened. Just keep an eye on the oil guage as if it was an ammo counter, and when it runs low, rtb.
The oil streaks makes sure that people see engine oil damage as something serious.
In other words, you're supposed to be frustrated about it. It's probably exactly what HTC had in mind, besides the eye-candy factor. There's no reason for them to change it.
Maybe add a one or two variety of oil stain patterns (as this is merely adding a new alpha texture file), but the streaks themselves, are here to stay. And I like it that way.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Try applying a dark coat of grease on the windshield of your car, and see if you can look forwrad through that.
yeah but my car doesnt go 300 mph:p
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Originally posted by Darkish
hmmm.. burning oil facial mask anyone?
How else do you suppose this guy got his Jug back on the ground safely? :)
The windscreen would keep it from spraying into his face and he could see side to side with the canopy back.
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1095880242_oiledjug.jpg)
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it would be nice if we could simply slide our canopys open.
hey ht is that a good idea?
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
it would be nice if we could simply slide our canopys open.
hey ht is that a good idea?
Not very many aircraft could safely open their canopy in flight. The P-38, for example, could not roll down the side window portions in flight, due to the turbulance it would cause (that and the risk of the upper portion of the canopy going flying).
The 190's also had a problem with an open canopy causing turbulance over the tail surfaces, resulting in poor control. (I think it was the 190's anyways)
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1095880242_oiledjug.jpg)
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The wind sure "thinned out" that oil coat, eh?
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Originally posted by Kweassa
The wind sure "thinned out" that oil coat, eh?
I figured that photo might help you prove your point :)
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by Tails
Not very many aircraft could safely open their canopy in flight. The P-38, for example, could not roll down the side window portions in flight, due to the turbulance it would cause (that and the risk of the upper portion of the canopy going flying).
The 190's also had a problem with an open canopy causing turbulance over the tail surfaces, resulting in poor control. (I think it was the 190's anyways)
How many photos of Spits, Mustangs, Jugs, F6Fs. F4Fs etc you want to see in flight with their canopies open to prove it was done? :)
Dan/Slack
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Any info on altitude and speed limits for such actions?
I don't think the pilot'd be able to open the canopy and fly around at 10k ft, 250mph... maybe during slow, low-alt approaches..??
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First image that came to mind was this one of a razorback Jug over the clouds on ASR duty over the Channel.
Geoffrey Page in his book "Tales of a Guineia Pig" mentions on his last flight in his Hurricane just as they entered combat where he was burned, clearly not a slowing down time:
"By way of habit I pulled the sliding hood back and locked it in the open position. This facilitated a hurried exit"
There are other accounts too where pilot's jettisoned the canopy thinking they were going down and then ended up flying back to base without it. Johnny Godfrey and his Mustang come to mind, after he dumped the hood over Germany but managed to nurse his 51 back.
There are other photos out there too. But this was the one that stood out to me
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1096137829_opencanopyjug.jpg)
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I think it instantly spreading over the windsheild as it does ALL the time is a bit much.
I understand this would give you incentive to abort your flight but more often then not you have to get yourself out of the situation your in before you can even think about heading home.
When you receive oil typically you cant just say" uh oh I better head east and go home now." To do that is is just giving someone a free shot at you.
You gotta manuver yourself into a position where you can make a break and make a run for it first.
I'd rather see a variable where sometimes yea the oil does instantly cover the windscreen. This would simulate severe damage and should be follow by a very rapid loss of oil pressure. But other times I'd rather see perhaps a few spatters at first and gradually getting worse as you fly.
How fast it goes from a few spatters to a total mess should also be varied to the extent of the sevarity fo the damage.
As it stands now you get covered weather you have a very slow leak or a fast one
If not that then I would like to see a few spatters at first and total coverage in say 2 minutes.
Then if you get hit you can say "uhoh Im screwed and I have two minutes to figger a way out of this mess before Im totally screwed"
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Any info on altitude and speed limits for such actions?
I don't think the pilot'd be able to open the canopy and fly around at 10k ft, 250mph... maybe during slow, low-alt approaches..??
Just to add to the canopy open bit. I remember reading in "Wing Leader" where the pilots of 616 flew with the canopy off on their Spit VIs as that pressurized version had to have the canopy bolted on which the pilots didn't care for.
Some other images of WW2 fighters out and about with the canopy open. Clearly all from warmer climates where i think the practice was more common
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1096323505_aussiemk8.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1096323535_79thp40.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1096323554_wildcat.jpg)
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i totaly agree with slack, and have asked about canopys before. we really should be able to open them at low alts.
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Back in the old beta forum Pyro said they were aiming for a halfway point on the oil leak. Not as bad as Guppy's P-47 picture, but still a problem that the player has to deal with.
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What squad insignia is that on the oiled jug (I love the sound of that)?
Looks like a bull with lightning bolts but I cannot tell what is on the head of the animal.
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As a returnee to AH I have to ask, does EVERY engine compartment hit result in the instant oil bath on the canopy?
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Originally posted by Edbert
What squad insignia is that on the oiled jug (I love the sound of that)?
Looks like a bull with lightning bolts but I cannot tell what is on the head of the animal.
347th Fighter Squadron, 350th Fighter Group, 12th Air Force, operatiing in the MTO
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1096476890_347th.jpg)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
How many photos of Spits, Mustangs, Jugs, F6Fs. F4Fs etc you want to see in flight with their canopies open to prove it was done? :)
Dan/Slack
Wasn't saying it couldnt be done, and on some aircraft it is perfectly safe. On others, though, it reduces control by some extent due to turbulance. Not trying to start an argument, just sayin :D
(I really need to stop 'just sayin' things...someone's gonna end up skinnin me for it)