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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gixer on September 15, 2004, 10:26:42 PM
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Came across this, cool video.
http://www.big-boys.com/detail.asp?id=2833
...-Gixer
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Jeez, what a landing.
Anyway, that webside has a ton of nude pics!
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Whats a 744?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Whats a 744?
A typo.
I see landings like that every day in the MA :D
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:mad: Stupid porn filter here at work...won't let me access the site to view the video. I wouldn't look at any dirty pictures, honest. :rolleyes: Don't they trust us?!?
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Originally posted by slimm50
:mad: Stupid porn filter here at work...won't let me access the site to view the video. I wouldn't look at any dirty pictures, honest. :rolleyes: Don't they trust us?!?
heh! Get a job with IT/MIS, then you can exclude yourself from the filters and or logs :D
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IIRC, 744 is the short name for the 747-400 ;)
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Thats a skilled pilot
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
A typo.
I see landings like that every day in the MA :D
744 is short for the 747-400.
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Hell of a cross wind....
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that 747 pilot is an idiot... He probably lined up on the wrong runway or on the taxiway and decided to save it.
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Originally posted by eagl
that 747 pilot is an idiot... He probably lined up on the wrong runway or on the taxiway and decided to save it.
Not actually possible - there was only one Runway at Kai Tak - 13/31, hence this pilot having to land in crosswinds. There's a also a lot of windshear and such nastiness round these parts - lots of hills and sea. With Kai Tak, if you missed your line up more than a small margin, it was into a hill or a building with you, pretty much. Leave the landing too late and you were into the harbour, too. The last stretch (if the wind was going the right way) was a 60 degree right turn just before landing, and some excellent views of the insides of people's living rooms and the walls of air cons adorning the high rises out of the windows on the right. Excellent fun to sit through, but no doubt a nightmare to pilot. I miss it. Sham Shui Po is too damn quiet without 747s with their wheels down overhead every 3 minutes. Mind, I'm a load of people in Kowloon feel safer and better for the new airport.
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Hehe... that Kai Tak approach used to be one of the "challenge" landings in MSFS98. Lots of fun but very tricky. :)
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That used to be a heck of a ride flying into Kai Tak. The new airport is soo boring now :) Although I was on a flight out of the new airport during a Typhoon Warning 3 once. I believe a China Airlines flight crashed a little after our flight left. That was an interesting climb out.
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So you are saying the approach is *designed that way*... It still looks like extreme maneuvering rather late in the approach, not merely compensating for a crosswind. A proper crosswind correction involves either a slip or skid into the wind, not a violent s-turn on short final, and it really looks to me like the pilot had a late visual pickup on the runway and had to make an aggressive last second correction to line up for landing.
Without more video, seeing the approach plate, or a wider view, it's tough to really say. I don't 100% buy the crosswinds explanation though.
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Hell, even it was for fun, it still is one awsome landing!
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From all your descriptions and comments I think I've seen this one b4. Is it the one where a 747 is crabbing like hell and lands almost sideways. Looks like there's water just beyond the edge of the runway?
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Korean Airlines is notorious for it's bad safety record and recless pilots. If you are a geek or a pilot, you might find these page s interesting:
http://www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/aviation/korean_audit.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?field=Operatorkey&var=1089&cat=%&sorteer=datekey&page=1
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Didn't visit the site listed... I try to avoid porn sites at work...
Is this it?
http://www.hang-out.co.uk/photos/Resources/kt_korean_rw13.mpg
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Porn site? I didn't even notice that. Just watched the video and left. LOL
...-Gixer
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Some photos of landings at Kai Tak, note the engine strike:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=Daryl+Chapman&distinct_entry=true&daterange=&sort_order=views
Another video of a "nice" landing:
http://www.lappis.net/AlItalia.mpeg
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That's insane... You couldn't pay me enough to do that. I've diverted under less hazardous situations even though it was only my own butt on the line. Crap like that, where the damned desk jockeys tell the pilots stuff like "well billybob flew in there, why won't you?", really pisses me off. If they want to risk their own butt, that's one thing. Risking the lives of all those passengers is different, and it's the damned non-flyers sitting on their collective prettythange$ that push the pilots into doing stuff like that.
So that airport is closed? If so, good riddance. If they don't have the common sense to apply good airmanship and not land there when the crosswinds were that bad, maybe it's better to just close the whole airport.
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I thought it was a cross wind landing too but after looking at it, I'm not so sure.
He's crabbing with the nose pointed to the right.
Then he kicks the crab out and goes wing low on the left side.
If there was a strong cross wind from the right necessitating the crab right, would'nt he then go wing low on the right after kicking the crab out?
(I've not done a cross wind landing yet but I thought that's what I read in my maneauvers book)
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Originally posted by mora
Some photos of landings at Kai Tak, note the engine strike:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=Daryl+Chapman&distinct_entry=true&daterange=&sort_order=views
Another video of a "nice" landing:
http://www.lappis.net/AlItalia.mpeg
Incredible pics! Thank you!
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A standard approach at the old Kai Tak airport was like so...
1) Approach over the bay heading 270 (west) until you reach the Sha Lo Wan NDB.
2) Come right to 088 (east) and fly over the city until you reach the red and white checkerboard positioned on a hill 2.5 miles from the runway
3) When the DME reads 2.2 miles, come hard right to 135 and line up on the runway.
4) Roll out of the turn and flare simultaniously to execute a proper landing.
I've seen countless photos of engine strikes, runway over-runs, go-arounds, and approaches at Kai Tak. Search http://www.airliners.net for Kai Tak and you'll see a ton of photos. If you've ever seen the shot of a 747 flying down a street, that's not a doctored image. It's real!
Here it is (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=221368&WxsIERv=Qm9laW5nIDc0Ny0zNjc%3D&WdsYXMg=Q2F0aGF5IFBhY2lmaWMgQWlyd2F5cw%3D%3D&QtODMg=SG9uZyBLb25nIC0gS2FpIFRhayBJbnRlcm5hdGlvbmFsIChIS0cgLyBWSEhIKSAoY2xvc2VkKQ%3D%3D&ERDLTkt=Q2hpbmEgLSBIb25nIEtvbmc%3D&ktODMp=SnVseSAxOTk4&BP=0&WNEb25u=RGFyeWwgQ2hhcG1hbg%3D%3D&xsIERvdWdsY=&MgTUQtODMgKE=VGhpcyB3YXMgZHVyaW5nIHRoZSB2ZXJ5IGZpbmFsIGRheXMgb2YgS2FpIFRhay4%3D&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=NTM0MDY%3D&NEb25uZWxs=MjAwMi0wMy0wMw%3D%3D&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=&static=yes&size=L)
Just after reaching the checkerboard you're only at 500 feet, and by the time you roll out you're at half that altitude. There isn't enough time to come in with a normal approach. You've got a hill on your left, the city under you, and a bay to your right. It's either dive like mad or miss the approach. Some might ask "why not reverse the approach?" No can do, unless you want to land heading towards an 1,800 foot hill with only a quarter mile between the end of the runway and the hill. Korean Air was notorious for balking landings, totaling aircraft, and fragging engines when trying to land there. JAL and ANA, along with BA and AlItalia, made some of the best touchdowns ever there.
They closed Kai Tak down several years ago so they could build a new airport similar to Kansai International, which is an island. The new one is outside Hong Kong Bay, made from two existing islands. Again, you can find shots of it at http://www.airliners.net
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LOLOL, this looks like something right out of Indiana Jones!