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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Blammo on September 16, 2004, 11:19:25 PM
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Just a note, "ace": the next time some one gives you a salute, the idea is to give one in return, said thank you, or don't say anything. It is a game and if you are so sensitive that you can't take getting shot down, then maybe you need to find something else to do. As it is, your behavior represents everything that is bad in MA right now. Grow up and keep your lewd, vulgar comments to yourself.
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Other than that, how was the MA tonight?
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Maybe its just me.. but
has always been shorthand for "good fight", "good flying" whatever.
Winning an 8 on 2 isn't a fight. The "fight" lasted about oh what? 30 seconds after you all dove in?
Keep your faux to yourself, and I guess keep pretending I give a **** what you think.
As far as "my behaviour representing everything that is bad about the MA" ... see this thread, horde-monkey.
I think it illustrates your behaviour (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130516&highlight=aces+horde) quite nicely.
Oh yea.. and if your ego is so sensitive that being called a gangbanging loser who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag makes you cry... perhaps you oughtn't tune to ch 200, eh?
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Sorry bout that collision with your Hurri II tonite Urchin. For whatever reason you can still fly a Spit V home with half a wing and a prayer :)
Had to belly it in, but got down ok.
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1095397748_snap1.jpg)
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Originally posted by Urchin
Maybe its just me.. but has always been shorthand for "good fight", "good flying" whatever.
Winning an 8 on 2 isn't a fight. The "fight" lasted about oh what? 30 seconds after you all dove in?
Keep your faux to yourself, and I guess keep pretending I give a **** what you think.
As far as "my behaviour representing everything that is bad about the MA" ... see this thread, horde-monkey.
I think it illustrates your behaviour (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130516&highlight=aces+horde) quite nicely.
Oh yea.. and if your ego is so sensitive that being called a gangbanging loser who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag makes you cry... perhaps you oughtn't tune to ch 200, eh?
Thank you for illustrating my point. You have once again sunk to the occasion.
From my end, it was me and my squaddie turning on you and your wingie. We had specificly gone this route to try and avoid being part of a horde. I saw one other Knight come in, but saw no one else near the two of you (there were other Knights in the area, but they were otherwise pre-occupied). The two of you split to try and pull us into a disadvantageous situation, but it failed to do so. I went up after missing my first shot on you and my wingie shot up your wingman. Still, I only saw one other Knight in the immediate area at the time. I came down on you and shot you up taking off part of your left wing, I followed you down and around and finished you off. Still, me and my wingie were the only people engaging you at the time.
The salute was genuine as you and your wingie I believe had engaged me and my squaddie, Jasta, a few minutes before. One of you shot him down and the other put a ton of .50 cals into me. I disengaged. Almost forgot to mention that when you two engaged us, there was a 109 and a Spitfire XIV from your side there, and they were actively part of the fight. If anyone was "ganged" it was my wingie and I yet you never saw us pitch a fit and cry across channel 200.
A man and a person of character would admit when they are wrong. It is sad to see that you are neither a man nor a person think or not. My comments are in spite of your feelings on the subject. You were out of line, you know it, and you are too small of person to deal with it.
Learn to take people at face value and when you get a salute, be gracious.
My squaddie made a film so I will review it and if there were eight others in the fight, as you say, I will acknowledge it. Would not have changed anything as far as I was concerned either in the attack as it was carried out or the salute offered after it. Since I have regarded you as a good pilot and considering how well you and your wingie had flown in the previous engagement, I was trying to acknowledge that with the salute after the second fight.
So much for civility.
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Its just a game and sometimes people don't like losing and sometimes people don't like getting respect returned.
Blammo, there are sooo many other pilots out there that would return your salutes, and Urchin, there are many other situations(ie better mood, even odds, etc) that would earn a return salute.
When I lose a game of tetris at a high level, I don't salute it, I drop kick my NES out the window.
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Just to chime in... no matter what you think of a simple fight, it doesn't justify your comments to blammo.
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couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag
:rofl
Dont know what this thread is about, and dont want to know, but that is a very funy sentence :lol
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:lol
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I'm just IN.
Thank you,
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Urchin you and Mane are two fantastic pilots. Together with Hammy, Redd and AKAK you are the best Ive ever fought (doesnt say much since Im new but still) in this game.
Though its such a shame both of you have such an arrogant attitude. How you are directly rude and disencouraging to a new player.
I go up against the enemy in a veriaty of situations inorder to get better. The veriaty includes outnumbered defense, lone patrols, outnumbered attacks, attacks with number advnatage and even number battles. I spend alot of time checking the map to find a veriaty of different situations and usually try to get at least 2 or 3 different types of battle in for each game session I have.
I know I aint much of a pilot yet. But my goal and determination is to become a top pilot who can go up against anything the game throws at me.
What makes me quite upset is when guys like you and your friend Mane after a battle where you did a fantastic job call the enemy all sorts of names and laugh at ones flight skills with comments such as "hahahahaha what you call that manouver a turn?".
Your a damn great pilot and you can own in a quite big number disadvnatage but you know what your no Ace sir.
What distinguishes an Ace is that an Ace is a gentleman who is humble in both victory and defeat. A gentleman who lets his skills shine and doesnt need to show of his skills by talking about them.
While I have ALOT to learn as a pilot you sir have alot to learn as a person.
Tex
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Just finished reviewing the film:
7 Knights in the area when the engagement started, 5 rooks. Three of the Rooks had alt advantage on everyone. I knight was heading away from the fight and never turned to engage.
By the time I took your wing off, the situation was 9 Knights and 7 rooks in the area. There were never more than 4 knights close enough that I could see to engage you and Mane. Only three Knights ever had a shot on you two (Jasta, Buba and myself).
By studying the film you and Mane turned into a worse situation than if you had kept going straight or turned to the left. You flew towards more incoming Knights rather than away from the threat. Regardless, your flying was great and had Jasta not done in Mane, he was set to hit me. As it was, he did get him and I was able to come over and shoot you. No one else hit you or Mane aside from me and Jasta.
Point is this: earlier in the day I was outnumber 7 to one at A5 on the deck. I had no friendly air support, no wingie, no flack or ACK to help. I fought as long and as hard as I could, but eventually they got me. My first though, as frustrated as I was, was not to curse the other person and bad mouth them and go into a state of denial and shock that someone could actually shoot me down. No, the first thing I did was take a breath, then I looked around the field to decide what my next action would be. You did well, but we did better this time. The was genuine. It may have been only 30 seconds, but it was a tough 30 for me because I knew if I did not get you that you would get me. I think Jasta knew the same thing.
Anyway, the film tells me all I need to know. I'd share it with you, but what do you care...after all, we are just gang-banging horde monkeys and no threat to your imperial greatness anyway.
By the way: I shot you down. Not bad for someone that can't fight their way out of a paper bag.
Cheers
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^ Well said Tex
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Originally posted by Cooley
^ Well said Tex
I'll 2nd that. :)
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".. can't fight their way out of a paper bag"
I prefer "... of a wet paper bag".
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Originally posted by Urchin
Oh yea.. and if your ego is so sensitive that being called a gangbanging loser who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag makes you cry... perhaps you oughtn't tune to ch 200, eh?
LOL :D
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Arm them with stockings filled with horsedung and have them slug it out!
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[cheering] Purse fight! Purse fight! [/cheering]
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Originally posted by Slash27
Other than that, how was the MA tonight?
:lol
Hey Slash!
...-Gixer
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lmfao!:lol
you guys... lol lol
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good luck beating Urchin on straight odds rather than incognito MA conditions.
All I have to criticize on your pov Blammo (ie respectfully) is you giving advice to him re: dogfighting...
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Post the film !!!
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Its Urchin's MO. He has always been a pompous bellybutton IMO. Ask him about his comments to Bob Shaw at the AH convention in 2002.
:)
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i prefer , "couldn't ACM your way out of an air castle"
:D
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Originally posted by sling322
Its Urchin's MO. He has always been a pompous bellybutton IMO. Ask him about his comments to Bob Shaw at the AH convention in 2002.
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Ok, I will bite, Urchin what were your comments to Mr Shaw at the 2002 convention?
:D
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Well, exactly this is the thing I dislike most in this game.
All the whining on ENY, Niki's, alt monkeys, vulching, map rotation or the furry dice in the Hurricane's cockpit... these things never bothered me at all.
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Originally posted by gollum
Ok, I will bite, Urchin what were your comments to Mr Shaw at the 2002 convention?
:D
Hell if I know, ask Sling. Apparently it was something good though.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Hell if I know, ask Sling. Apparently it was something good though.
Well now curiosity has the better of me. Sling what did he say to Mr Shaw?
Inquiring minds want to know.
:)
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That guy giving Urchin advice on how to dogfight is like Brian Boitano giving LIberace advice on how to be gay.
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(http://images.southparkstudios.com/img/content/characters/95a.gif)
I'm in :lol
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Originally posted by Slash27
Other than that, how was the MA tonight?
Rooks heavily outnumbered when i logged on, Knights were on a roll i upped osties to help discourage vulchers and had a LOT of fun...
Ch 200 was as entertaining as ever :D
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Originally posted by moot
good luck beating Urchin on straight odds rather than incognito MA conditions.
All I have to criticize on your pov Blammo (ie respectfully) is you giving advice to him re: dogfighting...
moot: I'd hope I didn't come across and trying to give him advice. I know that urchin could cap me many more times that I could cap him. Just, after viewing the film I noticed that he turned towards more Knights. I did not drag him to them or call them in (Jasta and I were communicating on squad vox). Don't know why he did that and I don't really care at this point. Thank you, however, for the critique :)
Besides, that's not the point of my thread. I wouldn't even pretend to claim I am any sort of ACM expert or anything like that. My problem was with how urchin handles defeat and how he handles people trying to pay respect to him and acknowledge his superior skills. Trust me, though, it is a mistake I will not make again.
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Originally posted by gollum
Well now curiosity has the better of me. Sling what did he say to Mr Shaw?
Inquiring minds want to know.
:)
Lets just say it was amusing to hear Urchin tell Mr. Shaw how good he was at flight sims.
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Why are you so upset what Urchin thinks of you? He doesn't owe you "respect". I am sure after he logged he didnt think twice about you until this thread.
Being called a ganger is no reason to run to your bbs mommy:
"hey mommy aint Urchin mean, aint he?"
Butch up a little geesh....
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Why some need to gain respect from others through a game is far beyond me.
Play, Fly, Kill, Die, have Fun, and STFU. Could it be any more simple?
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No Jasta for one ran until more cons came in to attack us ...
I looped over four cons .. rolled out too cover urch and get nailed by loser 190 jasta
this 190 who had run away 3 -4 times before ... he was shadowing icon range like a wuss...
he only came back to pick me when things turned into a gangbang ........ then urch is left with 4 -5 of you alone..... and you ''
.... do you guys you vulch too?
Have fun thinking you have any kind of clue as to what your talking about......
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lmao Mane! hehehe
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Originally posted by RTSigma
When I lose a game of tetris at a high level, I don't salute it, I drop kick my NES out the window.
See its just that type of behavior that is ruining the world of tetris Sigma, How do you sleep at night. Every time I lose at tetris I give it a salute, although it never salutes back, it just gives me a big middle finger and laughs at me. :D
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When I lose a game of tetris at a high level, I don't salute it, I drop kick my NES out the window.
ROFLMFAO!!! I missed this one!
dam good stuff lmfao!
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Blammo dont take it so personal when somebody doesnt sallute.
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No Jasta for one ran until more cons came in to attack us ...
You're kidding, right?
When we jumped you two, Urchin broke right to shake blammo, and you broke right too. when you pulled up on blammo, I raked you with lead, hit your engine and fuel. You stalled out, I followed, and you lost a wing.
Not only did I not run AT ALL, but you were in my gunsights 90 percent of the time! I dont know how I was running when you were in my sights the whole time.
I would like to show you the screenshots I made of this adventure....
Look at us running away to get more friendlies!
(http://www.undeadly.com/jasta/proof1.JPG)
Look! Running some more! OMG we are such Horde-monkeys!
(http://www.undeadly.com/jasta/proof2.JPG)
Mane turns to attack Blammo...
(http://www.undeadly.com/jasta/proof3.JPG)
Mane, meet my bullets, bullets, meet mane...
(http://www.undeadly.com/jasta/proof4.JPG)
After the stall, Your wing going away.
(http://www.undeadly.com/jasta/proof5.JPG)
And the thread closer... This is why we are mad.
(http://www.undeadly.com/jasta/proof6.JPG)
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lol, doubt we'll ever see the film of this bullchit.
But you guys doooooo look like rather brave men flying in there with that alt of yours. ;)
Keep up the good work!:aok
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http://undeadly.com/jasta/P47s.ahf
It will be removed in 24 hours due to limited bandwith...
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Originally posted by Manedew
No Jasta for one ran until more cons came in to attack us ...
I looped over four cons .. rolled out too cover urch and get nailed by loser 190 jasta
this 190 who had run away 3 -4 times before ... he was shadowing icon range like a wuss...
he only came back to pick me when things turned into a gangbang ........ then urch is left with 4 -5 of you alone..... and you ''
.... do you guys you vulch too?
Have fun thinking you have any kind of clue as to what your talking about......
guess you wern't the 190 .. you both still consistantly miss the point .. idiots
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Or, more likely, I guess you are just trying to make a point out of material that doesn't exist...
watch the film while its here.
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Originally posted by Manedew
No Jasta for one ran until more cons came in to attack us ...
I looped over four cons .. rolled out too cover urch and get nailed by loser 190 jasta
this 190 who had run away 3 -4 times before ... he was shadowing icon range like a wuss...
he only came back to pick me when things turned into a gangbang ........ then urch is left with 4 -5 of you alone..... and you ''
.... do you guys you vulch too?
Have fun thinking you have any kind of clue as to what your talking about......
Sorry, but you are high, mane. You're starting to believe your own smack talk. lol
Jasta was not in a 190 and we had just got into the area. Jasta was in an F6F and I was in an F4U-1D. LOL..And, according to urchin it was only a 30 second engagement...Jasta ran 3-4 times in 30 seconds and we still shot you both down? Not bad, I'd say. We didn't "shadow" the two of you, we turned in and engaged as soon as we saw you.
We passed over you and urchin on your right initially and with an alt advantage. You were about 5.5 K off our 5 o'clock when we turned to engage the two of you. We caught up quickly while you and urchin made a slow turn to the right and towards more knights (why y'all did that, I still don't know).
Your account is pretty much a total fantasy. But most disturbing is that you are so rabidly defending the ideal that you had to be vastly outnumbered to get shot down and that in itself justifies your and urchin's bad behavior...lol...what a hoot. Want to see the film? I'd be happy to email it to you, but you would still see what you want to see. Anyway, it is available to anyone that wants it.
Wotan
Thank you for your inpuy, but I don't really care what urchin thinks of me, to be honest. Could really care less. I'm not here to be his friend or gain his respect. What I care about is his crude and unjustified behavior. This is not a matter of respect, but common decency. I am terribly sorry that this concept is lost on you. Don't know about you, but I tend to not want to associate with people that lose that poorly. I'll say it again, I think he needs to grow up.
Morpheus
Same same as above
jetb123
I appreciate what you're saying. However, it is not about getting a salute. It is about urchin and mane's behavior. Now it is quickly becoming about this delusional fantasy land they live in about who they are and what Aces High is, but that's their burden to bear, not mine.
Just so it is not lost on everyone, this is not about whether I got a salute or whether urchin/mane respect me. I can't control those things and don't care too. As I said above, it is about unreasonable behavior in the face of very genuine complements. Some people really seem to be missing this point and trying to make it something else. Everyone who is telling me to get over it, needs to say the same to urchin/mane and tell him/them to check it the next time they get capped by their "inferiors."
It's a game...cripes a mighty. Be a man, not a punk.
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Originally posted by Manedew
guess you wern't the 190 .. you both still consistantly miss the point .. idiots
Guess you are missing it too...punk
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I
anyone who does good in the situation that they were in. Not sure what the problem with that is. Sounds like some people don't like to knocked off that pedestal they like to put themselves on. If you are going to complain when you get knocked down in a horde, maybe you shouldn't fly into the horde. Funny how much you can tell about someone just from their reactions and their overall AH behavior... Maybe this is the only thing they are good at and can't handle a little falter here and there... Who knows? See a lot of childish behavior on this thread.
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it was 5 v 2, with mane dying fairly quick due what i can only call poor SA/decision. then it as 2 more rooks came in, it left 2 on urchin who was trying to extend (and apparently not doing any evasives; perhaps he wanted to die since he lost his wingy?) and he went down without much of a struggle (was he damaged>??).
the whole encounter was... ... definitely not worth the whining/chest thumping on the BBS for.
i never bought into the whole faux thingy anyway: i never give and only rarely acknowledge them in the MA (/.squelch 1 is the second thing i do when entering the arena, right after /.squelch 6).
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
lol, doubt we'll ever see the film of this bullchit.
But you guys doooooo look like rather brave men flying in there with that alt of yours. ;)
Keep up the good work!:aok
Enjoy the film, Morph :aok
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Blammo...
1. your first post got sorta huffy about "returning" 's given. this particular "non-relevant" statement affected this thread to an extent, drawing commentary on it's own merits, as opposed to the point you were trying to make.
2. if you found urchin's comments crossing a boundry, you should send an email to HTC, not whine about it on the board - it does no good. HT(C) has repeatedly posted things to this effect.
there was very little reason, and less resolution when bringing this incident to the BBS.
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Originally posted by Gman
That guy giving Urchin advice on how to dogfight is like Brian Boitano giving LIberace advice on how to be gay.
He didn't give any advice to Urchin. He just said that Urchin and Mane picked the wrong egress route and their route took them into more danger instead of away from it.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Shane
Blammo...
1. your first post got sorta huffy about "returning" 's given. this particular "non-relevant" statement affected this thread to an extent, drawing commentary on it's own merits, as opposed to the point you were trying to make.
2. if you found urchin's comments crossing a boundry, you should send an email to HTC, not whine about it on the board - it does no good. HT(C) has repeatedly posted things to this effect.
there was very little reason, and less resolution when bringing this incident to the BBS.
Shane: I don't really see where you get point number 1, but you are correct about point 2. I should have dealt with it in that manner. To be honest, just like urchin let his feelings get in the way or good sense, so did I. I still believe him to be completely out of line, but I am sure he will grow out of it one day.
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Originally posted by Blammo
Enjoy the film, Morph :aok
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
and did you hear you idiots on vox? "whuuhoo we gottem!"
Yeah you gottem allright. You are crying because they didnt you in a 5V2?
WHen you found them they weren't going 300mph. When you dove in you were well over 400mph. And you think thats what??? Commendable? Idiots.
People like you make this game suck as bad as it does.
The sad part is you thought that was a fight.
Plain and simple... Idiotic.
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funny how shane seems to get the point .....
i barely remembered this sortie ... but I remember enf to see where Urchin is comeing from-and that you are missing the point ....
also ......I'll watch the film when i get a chance ... bet that 190's in there ... .. just thought it was diffrant person... but as i hope you realize .. that's beside the point....
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Blammo...
1. your first post got sorta huffy about "returning" 's given. this particular "non-relevant" statement affected this thread to an extent, drawing commentary on it's own merits, as opposed to the point you were trying to make.
2. if you found urchin's comments crossing a boundry, you should send an email to HTC, not whine about it on the board - it does no good. HT(C) has repeatedly posted things to this effect.
there was very little reason, and less resolution when bringing this incident to the BBS.
Amen!!
Blammo, you're drawing as much negative attention with your post as you accuse others of. ;)
Dutchie
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Urchin should have to go to charm school. The FDBs sponsor one.
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MiniD why dont you run along to your Check 6 forum.
But not before you bite me.
Im sure there is someone there you can ban to make your self feel like a big man. ;)
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Yeah im late....... IN
This is the stuff I miss on the BB:D
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I'm trying to make a constructive suggestion and you turn abusive. You should go to our charm school too.
Creamo teaches it.
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Originally posted by Blammo
Shane: I don't really see where you get point number 1,
from your very first posting; as a matter of fact, it was the lead-in.
Originally posted by Blammo
Just a note, "ace": the next time some one gives you a salute, the idea is to give one in return, say [sic] thank you, or don't say anything.
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Morpheus... youve consistantly missed the point throughout this thread.
's are useless... no one cares if they are returned or not.
Its Urchin and Mane's sense of sportsmanship, displayed by calling people losers and telling them to suck on a part of his anatomy after we complimented him, that angers us!
Next time READ the posts before you start calling people idiots!
Lock this crap HTC.
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What is it with some of you and whining about "alt monkeys"?
Usign a plane to its advantages (read: ALTITUDE) isn't being lame. It's being smart.
Anyway, I'd like to drop kick Urchin out a window. Anybody who whines about "Lgay7's" and Spitfires this much deserves a paddling.
Oh, btw: Nice fighting, guys. Glad to see Urchin take a beating.
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nevermind
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Originally posted by Manedew
funny how shane seems to get the point .....
i barely remembered this sortie ... but I remember enf to see where Urchin is comeing from-and that you are missing the point ....
also ......I'll watch the film when i get a chance ... bet that 190's in there ... .. just thought it was diffrant person... but as i hope you realize .. that's beside the point....
Funny, you seemed to remember a lot (that didn't even happen) before. Now you barely remember it. Nice dodge. Besides, none of that has anything to do with the point of this thread.
Once again, gang-bang or not, diving in on your 6 with alt and speed advantage or not, you two being uber pilots or not, Jasta and I being excited about getting the kill or not...none of that is an excuse for rude behavior. Is there anyone here that really thinks it does? Anyone? Here is a hint, since you obviously have no clue: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything. You want it to be a nice place for you, do what you can to make it a nice place for others...simple as that.
Look, urchin went out of his way to be rude and vulgar. This is not just a slip or a "you guys suck", but a purposeful effort to be obscene. Talk trash to me all you want, but that it what it was. urchin nor you have any class at all. You could have even left it at a "you call that a fight???", but urchin turned it personal and specific. Even after that you do not see my squaddie or I respond in kind. So, whatever, sport. You are the king of the world, so, have a party.
Morpheus
You're right...we got excited about getting the kill on them...What is your point? Have you been here so long that you no longer remember the excitement of getting kills...especially on sticks you considered better than yourself? Is the game that unexciting to you? And what does that have to do with the point of the thread?
Not looking for commendations about the engagement. That is not the point of the thread. Of course, you are mane and urchin's squaddie which explains a lot of your response in this matter (although I am don't think I would be accommidating if it was one of my squaddies). And since you have decided to sink to the level of name calling, I can conclude nothing more than you would have responded with the same lack of dignity that they showed.
Woo hoo...what cool guys you are. NOT!
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can't ya'll tell autumn is just around the corner, don't ya just love it,
a well fought fight, 1 on 1 or 2 on 1 usually will conjer up a and maybe a few lines of text saying awesome fight, great flying etc......
a 3 on 1 or more, or 5 on2 or more bout the only time a would be given is if the lower numbered team downs all the opponents, this is excellent flying, not the other way around.as Shane said, he don't by into the faux idealology, yet he will speak up if it was a good hard fought battle...
just like me, alot of people have stuck their nose in where it does not belong, in this thread, that's my view.........
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Here is the problem:
My squad sees as compliments, regardless of length of time, skill level displayed, or whatever. In this instance it was an acknowledgement that the two of you (urchin and mane) are much better than us. If you watch the text, you salute first and it was only later that it becomes obvious that you (urchin and mane) were being sarcastic.
The way urchin and mane see a salute is somewhere between sarcasm and an insult. This explains their reaction to the compliments paid them. For Jasta and I failing to see it this same way, we are called idiots (lol).
Now, if you watch the text in the movie there is nothing to suggest from our behavior anything but that we were seriously complimenting urchin and mane. I know that I was and I believe Jasta was. The fact that we did get excited by the outcome is testament to the fact that we did not expect to win. To be honest, because of my excessive airspeed I expected to overshoot and look back to see urchin firing on me. It didn't happen that way. Sometimes things just don't go the way we expect them to.
So, what do we learn from this? Well, that not everyone sees things the way you do. This goes for me as well as urchin. I saw a pilot of superior skills that I happened to get the jump on, fly to my best and come out on top and in exchange for that I offered a salute. urchin saw that he got ganged and then made fun of so he retaliated. It's a gut instinct that is hard for some people to control. All I can say is that I meant no disrespect. I can also say that urchin meant every bit of disrespect he could muster (which was very little in the final analysis).
urchin, you were out of line, but I don't expect you to acknowledge it. Truth is what truth is, regardless of your denial. The next time I or one of my squaddies shoots you down, you can be sure we will barely notice.
I am out, have fun.
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Morpheus
You're right...we got excited about getting the kill on them...What is your point? Have you been here so long that you no longer remember the excitement of getting kills...especially on sticks you considered better than yourself? Is the game that unexciting to you? And what does that have to do with the point of the thread?
My point?
My point is you can take this lame thread and shove it. Hows that?
The entire thread is devoted to bashing someone who you can learn alot from. Two people actually. Who cares what they said to you? You did gang them. You want a pat on the back for that? If you think you need some respect join a help group. You know... The kind where people stand in a cirlcle and tell eachother that they are a good person and all.
There is only one reason HT didnt lock this thread. I wont say what it is because its obvious to those that know.
BTW. MiniD...
I have a constructive Suggestion for you.
Go ban someone big guy. :)
Mr Hot Shot Mod that you are.
LoL cant take watermelon from ppl there so you just ban them :)
Poor puppy dog doesnt like to play with the bigger dogs.
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morph... not disputing your contention both mane and urch can teach people things... nor that starting this thread wasn't the best of ideas (but neither are so many bbs threads)... it's commendable that you're sticking up for your squaddies...
but....
i do say, but....
have you watched the film? :cool:
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yep, and all I see are two guys moving in on two lower guys who are already in a fight with three other cons only to pick them.
Big deal...
Whats so great about that?
Then they got the balls to make a stink about not getting recognition for their bravery. And are upset because Urchin snapped back about getting picked in an already 3v2.
Edit: Im done with this stupidity now. Just being involved in this watermelon makes me feel bad for myself. Blammo, Jasta and whome ever else was involved in bravely "gunning down" Urchin and Mane, you are true heros in every aspect of the word.
I sincerly hope that makes you guys feel a little bit better about yourselves deep down.
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I call bu11sheet. you didn't watch the film. or you must be watching a totally different film.
if there's one thing about me, i call them like i see them.
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did you watch the film SHane? i mean really watch it?
Notice their speed.
Notice Manes and Urchins speed.
Notice that they are both already basicly in with lower cons who are fighting with them.
Notice what is being said on Vox.
Notice how bravely they made their vicious moves.
Notice how Lame this entire thread is.
Notice how pathedicly stupid and simple someones life must be for crap like this to bother them.
And btw, yeah I watched the film.
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yes i did. did you?
1. they were doing a little below 400, not some huge honking speed... they held their speed 380-400 until the final closing in when they hit about 410-420, nothing outrageous, good speed discipline for the encounter. they didn't zoom off either, but went up and came right back into it.
2. all 5 arrived at the same time, with the 2 pertinient people in this thread being the first to engage. mane and urchin were *not* engaged with anyone yet. they were in the process of reversing as all 5 were basically to the rear of them.
why were mane and urchin so slow to begin with? they would have been better served to level/dive a little to gain engagement speed when blammo and jasta first overflew them and shortly afterwards when the other cons got closer.
what i see is a lapse of SA, in conjunction with a not so great decision to make the manuever he did on mane's part, which got him out of the action right quick and urchin damaged.
then you had 2 rook 109's come into the fray higher up ("alt monkey's" eh? :D) which pulled off two of the knits, 3 actually. then it was just the orginal two knits, blammo and jasta who went to finish off a gimped urchin.
there was no "fight" on anyone's part, mane and urchin didn't put up one. i'm not knocking their skills, but from reviewing the film they got slapped down just like that. i'd have done things a lot different as soon as the two overflew me and then reversed on me to come in with the other 3. for one i'd have been getting faster than urch and mane were. mane went aggressor too quick, and his lapse of SA got him dead. we all make mistakes. he paid for his.
having said that, if i were urch/mane i'd also have tossed out a "you gurls are good in crowds" comment and pretty much left it at that (unless some ankle humper started in on me for more ch 200 entertainment :D ).
in no way were urch and mane already "engaged" and blammo/jasta "cherried" them. it was all simultaneous.
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Still haven't figured out why people get so upset in this game about how they die. Some people and most know who they are, complain and have tons of excuses why they died.
Who cares If their going to complain about getting cherry picked, gangbanged, vulched, or whatever. They need to go to the DA and stay there if there looking for a fight with rules. Funny thing is, the one's you hear cry the most on CH200 about how they died will do exactly the same to others.
It just cracks me up how some so called adults can act so childish over a silly game. Who cares who is the better pilot in a game. Until I get paid to be a great pilot in this game, I don't care about my rank, whether I die to a HO, Gangbang, vulch or whatever. I don't care if I make the guy i killed upset because I killed him, no matter how I accomplished the task. They can whine till the cows come home, it just makes them look bad when they cry about how they died. No One cares and for that matter, 98% of the MA wouldn't know they just got killed if they would have kept there mouth shut.
I am here to have fun, do my part for the country I am flying for, make it as tough for my NME's as possible to get a kill, and succeed in their mission.
Some friendly smack talk is cool between friends of different countries. But when someone just flat out tells someone to suck there **** because they didn't like getting killed, no matter how they died. That to me is not needed in this game.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Still haven't figured out why people get so upset in this game about how they die. Some people and most know who they are, complain and have tons of excuses why they died.
Who cares If their going to complain about getting cherry picked, gangbanged, vulched, or whatever. They need to go to the DA and stay there if there looking for a fight with rules. Funny thing is, the one's you hear cry the most on CH200 about how they died will do exactly the same to others.
It just cracks me up how some so called adults can act so childish over a silly game. Who cares who is the better pilot in a game. Until I get paid to be a great pilot in this game, I don't care about my rank, whether I die to a HO, Gangbang, vulch or whatever. I don't care if I make the guy i killed upset because I killed him, no matter how I accomplished the task. They can whine till the cows come home, it just makes them look bad when they cry about how they died. No One cares and for that matter, 98% of the MA wouldn't know they just got killed if they would have kept there mouth shut.
I am here to have fun, do my part for the country I am flying for, make it as tough for my NME's as possible to get a kill, and succeed in their mission.
Some friendly smack talk is cool between friends of different countries. But when someone just flat out tells someone to suck there **** because they didn't like getting killed, no matter how they died. That to me is not needed in this game.
Impressive......Most impressive
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Still haven't figured out why people get so upset in this game about how they die. Some people and most know who they are, complain and have tons of excuses why they died.
Who cares If their going to complain about getting cherry picked, gangbanged, vulched, or whatever. They need to go to the DA and stay there if there looking for a fight with rules. Funny thing is, the one's you hear cry the most on CH200 about how they died will do exactly the same to others.
It just cracks me up how some so called adults can act so childish over a silly game. Who cares who is the better pilot in a game. Until I get paid to be a great pilot in this game, I don't care about my rank, whether I die to a HO, Gangbang, vulch or whatever. I don't care if I make the guy i killed upset because I killed him, no matter how I accomplished the task. They can whine till the cows come home, it just makes them look bad when they cry about how they died. No One cares and for that matter, 98% of the MA wouldn't know they just got killed if they would have kept there mouth shut.
I am here to have fun, do my part for the country I am flying for, make it as tough for my NME's as possible to get a kill, and succeed in their mission.
Some friendly smack talk is cool between friends of different countries. But when someone just flat out tells someone to suck there **** because they didn't like getting killed, no matter how they died. That to me is not needed in this game.
I totally agree!!!!! My 2nd day here, I shot down a plane, then all of a sudden the guy starts going ballistic on Ch1. about how he was AFK and I shouldn't of shot him, etc. How are you supposed to know if a red icon is AFK? Granted, it was an easy kill, but it turned me off right away to all the crybaby whining that goes (went) on channel's (1) and 200. Most of the time now I just squelch 200 so i don't have to see it.
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good post sfchondo
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For crying out loud, why can't I get in a film when I'm having a good night. I was that "lame 190" that ended up running like a little girl every time I went near the base. Seems it just wasn't my night for good decision making. Kept getting myself into bad situations over and over.
Worse though was not returning a myself from MrGood on 200, guy I did not see it until watching that film, and for stealing his kill from DoctorYo who stuck with me in that drag and saved my bacon by disabling the 109 MrGood was flying. I barrel rolled around him and knocked him down in the overshoot, I saw his plane smoking, engine dead, and parts missing but I still laid into him and stole it. DoctorYo, I owe you bigtime.
Last night wasn't a good night, my apologies to all, friend and foe alike.
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Funny! everyone is forgetting about 1 big thing, how does a DEAD guy ? Lets all pretend that this is real life, and the only guy, you would see putt'n the hand up to the forehead , and saying see ya mofo! is the guy thats alive. Unless you bail and live (and feel like saluting) you would'nt be doing it anyway!
And just maybe if you did not die right away and you happen to make eye contact with the Enemy SOB that just took your plane outa the sky, your sure I.T.H not gunna , You and I both know that our Middle Finger would be all the salute they get from us!! right? right! lmao!
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I'm sorry, all I see is the muppets holding hands and calling names. Frankly, these guys may be wonderful at this flightsim, and maybe they can teach people stuff, but personally I can't see why anyone would want to associate with any of them. They saluted you because they thought you did well for the environment you were in, and you throw it back in their faces. At no time did I see Blammo and Jasta rubbing it in Urchin and Mane's faces nor did I see Blammo and Jasta claiming to be better pilots than these two. They shot you guys down, it is a sad story.... make up any excuse you like, but sadly its still a reality. Hope you guys enjoy the rest of your weekends.
(and don't worry, I don't expect it to be returned)
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/77_1095493408_catfightguys4.jpg)
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If you notice this notice
you will notice that this
notice is not worth noticing
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that film was great to watch. great flying Blammo and Jasta!
excelent wingman tactics.
ManeTMP and Urchin, you both behaved like dicks.
get off your high horses, you ARE NOT FIGHTER PILOTS.
its just a game.
on my count there was 4 reds and 4 greens in the area, who had enough E or ALT to affect this fight.
if the two 109s had come to engage and help you it would have been even.
the two knights that were high enough to be a problem to you missed on their spray passes and Blammo and Jasta finished you off good.
they started with an alt advantage, true, but thats what its all about. I suppose when you land 8-kill tempest mission they were all one on one turnfights with hurris and zekes eh mane?
i remember shooting down Mane once in AH1.
this dialog follows.....
Batfink: mane hehehe i got ya!
ManeTMP: Pure luck newbie! just a lucky break dweeb!
wont ever happen again 'ace'.
or something similar.
WTFG War eagles wing team, kicked their high and mighty butts good!
Blammo, Jasta, Manetmp, Urchin.
Batfink
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Morph. Can you believe your post on another thread was deleted for "Flame"? :D
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I hate to disapoint you MugZ with the lack of Juicy info but it wasnt much of a flame.
In fact it wasnt a flame at all ol pal. :)
But as the saying goes...
Assumption is the Mother of all F ups. :)
This is no excetption.
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Film removed...
I figured it would clear some things up.
S! All
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hahahha ya your idiocy has been cleared up .... good for you moron .. film only serves to prove that it was a gangbang.....
maybe one day you'll get the point ..... Not too likely though .... I'm just standing up for my wingman's point of view ....
if you can't understand someone elses point of view .. I pity you ..
you never answered my question ... do you people when you vulch?
wow .. bet he still misses the point :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Blammo
Just a note, "ace": the next time some one gives you a salute, the idea is to give one in return, said thank you, or don't say anything. It is a game and if you are so sensitive that you can't take getting shot down, then maybe you need to find something else to do. As it is, your behavior represents everything that is bad in MA right now. Grow up and keep your lewd, vulgar comments to yourself.
.......tissue?... anyone?
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>>from your very first posting; as a matter of fact, it was the lead-in.
quote:
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Originally posted by Blammo
Just a note, "ace": the next time some one gives you a salute, the idea is to give one in return, say [sic] thank you, or don't say anything.
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Shane doesn't know how to use [sic] :D
"This word is sometimes inserted in a quotation [sic], to call attention to the fact that some remarkable or inaccurate expression, misspelling, or the like, is literally reproduced. "
If you corrected the verb tense or spelling in a quote, you wouldn't use "[sic]". I the case above "[say]" would have been acceptable, as it notes you've corrected the grammar or spelling. And if you do use '[sic]' in bold quotes (italicized etc.), "[sic]' should be in plain format,i.e., not bold or italics.
FYI :D
This English lesson has concluded...
SIC!
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online honor doesn't exist.
I don't get why people don't see that.
Who cares about honestly. if you do then you are just an over inflated EGO dweeb who is really a tard that needs to get out of Lala land where he is on his high horse.
if the guy acts like a dick for no appearent reason whoop de ****in doo.
but 5vs.2 don't deserve just more of studmuffin's that can only gang bang.
And people ask why the MA has degrading into hording. this shows. a perfectly good example of it.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
online honor doesn't exist.
I don't get why people don't see that.
Yes it does. You need to fly with some different people.
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I have to agree with Seeker on this one. It does exist. Just because you don't have it or haven't encountered it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Good flying Blammo and Jasta. Though sometimes you have to recognize that getting worked up about it is just not worth it. You should enjoy it more and move on when something happens that you don't like.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
online honor doesn't exist.
you reap what you sow. I couldn't disagree with you more on this point.
YOU might not fly with honor and respect, but many DO.
Yes this is a game, but that does not mean you should be a unrespectful jerk. YOU might use the fact that it's virtual to be a complete bufoon, but that in no way means everybody else should too.
I find that in general if you are respectful in real life, you tend to be respectful in all things that you do, virtual or otherwise. I refuse to be drug down into the dregs with those that think it's ok to be a crass doofus.
Case in point, I was in the DA with a pilot other night (mime) and lost more than I won. Everytime mime beat me, I gave 'em a or a WOOT g/k! and basically everytime he replied with curse words and personal attacks.
Just because HE has fundamentially lacking people skills doesn't mean that I should stoop to his level. I kept on compliment 'em, and he kept hurling slurs, and I'll leave it at that. BUT I remained very polite, so in my opinion even though he might be a tab better than I am in the ole' turn and burn, i'm twice the man he will ever be.
(edited) I just read your bio skull in other thread, and saw that you are only 15yrs old. That explains much re. your views. I DO hope you have positive male role model(s) in your life that can show you HOW to be a man, and understand what it means to live with honor and respect. G/L!
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
online honor doesn't exist.
I don't get why people don't see that.
Who cares about honestly. if you do then you are just an over inflated EGO dweeb who is really a tard that needs to get out of Lala land where he is on his high horse.
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And people ask why the MA has degrading into hording. this shows. a perfectly good example of it.
Actually it's the opposite.
If you were ganged, the may simply mean "Well done lasting so long, you were tough to bring down even with 4 of us on you."
Maybe if folks in general showed a little more decorum and took some pride in the way the play the game they wouldn't feel the cumpulsive need to gang bang, pork'n'auger, lawn-boy B17's, HO, have limp-wristed truces, etc., etc., etc.
Yeah, yeah, yeah ... "it's just a game, don't take it so serious, I em hear to hav phun!" ... but you probably have 100's of hours invested in learning this game. Probably more than you've invested in most sports you played - and you show sportsmanship on the golf course, tennis court, etc., right?
-DoK
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
I hate to disapoint you MugZ with the lack of Juicy info but it wasnt much of a flame.
In fact it wasnt a flame at all ol pal. :)
But as the saying goes...
Assumption is the Mother of all F ups. :)
This is no excetption.
Your missing the point.
HT Deleted you for a joke of yours as he did me.
But this thread is chugin along and is insult after insult. Dont be so defensive. :) But after i re-read my post here i realized you probably wouldnt be able to see what i was trying to do. Sorry :(
Just when i think we are going to get along you pop off like a punk :D
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yup! Some get deleted and some dont. Then some get locked and some dont. I think this one is ok because they are using those little purses they have out now, those are in style you know, see'm all over the place. I'm sure if they were using the large outa style type purses, they would stop the mayhem :) lmao!!! swing'm boyzzzzzz hehe! ;)
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heheh :rofl
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lol, this thread is dripping with testosteron, insults, and crawling with Aholes.
Yet, as MugZ said, it remains unlocked.
I think that says alot about certain people up there. :)
It sure tells me alot. :)
Good Day.
PS- MugZ, lol, dont be so deffensive yourself. I wasnt directing my lil jab at you anyways. ;)
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OK now im the blind one. ;)
This thread and the administrative handling of said thread is the mother? Im picking up what your puttin down now. :)
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Morfus, you now have my curiousity peaked...
What "I'm not using a shades account!" handle were you using when I banned you from checksix? I know I never banned a "morpheus".
The FDB charm school begins by teaching you to be comfortable with who you are. It could help you with your chronic shades account problem.
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I'm not sure you even banned him Minid.
I think you twisted his nipples when you banned kappa.
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Odd... I've never banned "kappa" either.
Maybe they could both use the course?
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
OK now im the blind one. ;)
This thread and the administrative handling of said thread is the mother? Im picking up what your puttin down now. :)
bada bing ;)
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penalty 15 yards for delay of thread
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Up until the last year or so, it was customary for the guy who was shot down to send a salute to the victor, and the option of giving the salute or good kill etc belonged to that pilot.
I believe that was the right way for the custom to work. Now the custom has somehow become twisted around and the victor is sending salutes to the guy shot down. It strikes me as a gesture that could be construed as arrogant, as rubbing it in.
I think the victor would be best served as making no gestures to the downed pilot, and that we return to the custom wherein the option of sending a salute to the victor belongs to downed pilot.
rthus
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Originally posted by RT
Up until the last year or so, it was customary for the guy who was shot down to send a salute to the victor, and the option of giving the salute or good kill etc belonged to that pilot.
I believe that was the right way for the custom to work. Now the custom has somehow become twisted around and the victor is sending salutes to the guy shot down. It strikes me as a gesture that could be construed as arrogant, as rubbing it in.
I think the victor would be best served as making no gestures to the downed pilot, and that we return to the custom wherein the option of sending a salute to the victor belongs to downed pilot.
rthus
I agree with you
We had a thread on this recently
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=129267&referrerid=2084
In this case I think think the guys were clearly exuberant about killing Urchin and Mane - two well known sticks , and saluted. - I don't think they intended badly by it.
Mane and Urchin took it the wrong way - as a "kill call" not a salute , and the resulting messy exchange followed.
The fight didn't warrant a salute - there was no fight, it was a nicely conducted bounce by the blammo and his wingie.
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Originally posted by RT
Up until the last year or so, it was customary for the guy who was shot down to send a salute to the victor, and the option of giving the salute or good kill etc belonged to that pilot.
I believe that was the right way for the custom to work. Now the custom has somehow become twisted around and the victor is sending salutes to the guy shot down. It strikes me as a gesture that could be construed as arrogant, as rubbing it in.
I think the victor would be best served as making no gestures to the downed pilot, and that we return to the custom wherein the option of sending a salute to the victor belongs to downed pilot.
rthus
I don't agree with you. If someone puts up a fun, close fight, and I beat them, they're getting a salute from me. It's my way of saying "thanks for not running to friends/dragging to ack/hoing and just putting up one helluva fight that could have gone the other way".
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I agree with Vudak i salute someone who put's up a good fight whether i am the victor or not. Redd also has a point i think the guys got a little excited about bouncing a couple of vets.
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Point------Flame, POInt-----FLAme, POINT---FLAME=======PUNT!!!!:rofl
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People have little respect for custom, and tradition. It's not a question about what I believe, it is a question of having respect for the community and predecessors and exercising the discpline and obedience to do as they do.
Somewhere along the line this salute business changed from downed pilot saluting victor for a good fight good shot etc ... to what it has become. I'm not sharing an opinion I'm passing on experience.
Experience taught us that doing it that way worked, because the gesture was one of good sportsmanship by the downed pilot, and an acknowledgement to the opponent. When the downed pilot sends the salute, there is no issue of grand-standing or rubbing it in.
Experience taught us how to do it right, and respect for experience might warrant some holding their tongues until they get some.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
online honor doesn't exist.
I don't get why people don't see that.
Who cares about honestly. if you do then you are just an over inflated EGO dweeb who is really a tard that needs to get out of Lala land where he is on his high horse.
PvP is a SPORT.
Doing anything it takes to win is ok. You get a 5v1 break in hockey you capitalize on it, no doubt. BUT as to any sport there is good and bad sportmanship.
Showing respect for your opponent is part of beeing a good sportsman.
If the player who got raped in the 5v1 did a damn good job considering the odds, encourage him. If the player who got raped screwed up totally DONT rubb it in.
In my book anyone who participates in a sport (what ever kind if its hockey or PvP games) and doesnt have a clue about sportmanship is the EGO.
Its not about riding a high hourse its just about common decency and respect between people. Since its just a sport and sports are played primarly for FUN (even though some sports are starting to loose touch of that due to all money) its important that the players respect each other so that ALL players can have fun.
Tex
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Salute custom?? I must have missed something in the game manual when i joined AH in version 1.02. :confused:
I salute players out of respect for a good fight or out of respect for their known achievements or just because they're friends.
I Certainly do not salute players for ganging/hording me, neither for vulching me when trying to land a damaged plane or for trying to HO me 5 times in a row ;)
greetz,
Dutchie
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Originally posted by RT
People have little respect for custom, and tradition. It's not a question about what I believe, it is a question of having respect for the community and predecessors and exercising the discpline and obedience to do as they do.
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Experience taught us how to do it right, and respect for experience might warrant some holding their tongues until they get some.
I find it to be a very difficult task to hold my tongue when the experienced take such a tone.
I stand by my earlier statement. A fun, fair, close fight, in the MA, where you're hardly likely to find one, is an exceptional moment. Such a fight, IMHO, deserves salutes to go 'round the table. It matters not who initiates the salute. In such a case, I'd figure if someone who just shot me down saluted me, they simply beat me to it, because I was already typing up one for them.
(And I'm not saying that this thread's initial scenario was one of those moments).
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For me, taking or giving shtt, on chanel 200, or private is part of the fun in this game, Try to imagine this game without this opption, would be boring
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FWIW, after finally getting around to watching the film, it doesn't look like a massive gangbang to me. Urchin and Mane appear outnumbered, but at that point the thing is essentially over. And in any event, I didn't get any sense when watching the film that whoever recorded it knew that he was engaging with greater numbers. The last thing he looked at before joining the fray was a pair of 109s about 5k back and then a pair of P-47s right in front of him with maybe one or two friendlies visible. It seemed hairier than it was.
So I don't think that Blammo et al. believed it was a gangbang even if, in fact, that's what it was. I'm not sure why Blammo felt the need to post a whole topic devoted to Mane's and Urchin's response though. I see stuff like that every night, and it's not worth getting upset.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I see stuff like that every night, and it's not worth getting upset.
Precisely.