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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Muckmaw1 on September 17, 2004, 08:09:25 AM
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http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/gen/ap/FL_Pit_Bull_Attack.html
When are they either going to eliminate the breed or the Breeders?
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Ok wheres the stats people.
I think we need a breakdown of daily dog attacks.
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When will we stop allowing people whom can't rear their own children from buy/getting these dogs?
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ahem
"Pitbull season"
"duck season"
"Pitbull season"
"duck season"
"Duck season"
"pitbull season"
BLAM!
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This trash breed serves no purpose other than to terrify people...They should all be gathered up and put down..outlawed..and severe penalties for those that continue to own and breed them...they are a menace to public safety
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I think that the owners should be held completely responsible just as if they were the ones who dod the attack.
I believe that any pit or large dog that is loose and not in control of the owner should be fair game for ccw permit holders and police shotguns.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I think that the owners should be held completely responsible just as if they were the ones who dod the attack.
I believe that any pit or large dog that is loose and not in control of the owner should be fair game for ccw permit holders and police shotguns.
lazs
That's an interesting point Lazs. There are already many laws on the book that hold owners responsible for the actions of Wild Animal, and even Wolf-dogs. I don't think that it is too far of a stretch to add certain Breeds of domesticated dogs to the list.
It wouldn't make the dogs illegal, but might make people think twice about the responsibilities of owning such a dog.
-Sik
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and that is my point.. the responsible owners who, for whatever reason, own these dogs should not be punished before they commit a crime.
lazs
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Originally posted by Sikboy
That's an interesting point Lazs. There are already many laws on the book that hold owners responsible for the actions of Wild Animal, and even Wolf-dogs. I don't think that it is too far of a stretch to add certain Breeds of domesticated dogs to the list.
It wouldn't make the dogs illegal, but might make people think twice about the responsibilities of owning such a dog.
-Sik
Some of these dog owners don't bother to think once, much less twice.
Theses are the same type of morons that go screaming down a residential street at 60 MPH while dozens of kids are playing on the sidewalk. (Seen this hapen all too often on my own street)
Face it. Most people do not think about the possible consequences of their actions. Just like a Pit bull owner, a guy speeding down the street never stops and thinks how totally destroyed his life would be if he hit a kid.
I really have no faith in people anymore.
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I'm still waiting for the pitbull owner to show up to defend with...
"They're not all like that. I have one and it's like a baby and very loving"
A little preemtive strike....NO MATTER WHAT TRAINING YOU GIVE A DOG..NO MATTER HOW THEY SEEM TO BE...YOU CAN NEVER OVERRIDE INSTICT!
These dogs are mean and agressive by instict..therefore a menace and should be outlawed.
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doesn't matter... we can't all have our freedom restricted to the lowest common denominator or we would all be drugged and in straight jackets. Or.... gunless like the brits...
I would feel good about felony laws for pit and large breed attacks knowing that some 2 time losers might do 30 years or more on the next felony. even the idiot criminal crowd gets the message...
lazs
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I'm trying to train my wife's chihuahua to be an attack dog. We have the ferocious bark part down but we haven't gotten over the squeal and pee on the carpet if any sudden moves are made towards her.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I'm trying to train my wife's chihuahua to be an attack dog. We have the ferocious bark part down but we haven't gotten over the squeal and pee on the carpet if any sudden moves are made towards her.
:rofl
You should fear my Dachsund.
Why anyone would want a really big dog is beyond me.
First, the bigger the dog, the bigger the poops.
Second, How often do cute chicks come up and pet your Pit bull.
My Weenie-Dog is a real chick magnet!
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Originally posted by Sikboy
That's an interesting point Lazs. There are already many laws on the book that hold owners responsible for the actions of Wild Animal, and even Wolf-dogs. I don't think that it is too far of a stretch to add certain Breeds of domesticated dogs to the list.
It wouldn't make the dogs illegal, but might make people think twice about the responsibilities of owning such a dog.
-Sik
I agree but think it should apply to ALL dogs not just certain breeds.
I know several pitbull owners. All but one set of dogs I have no reservations about. And that set is owned by an Ahole to begine with. but he at least knows his animals and keeps them well contained at all times.
On the other hand I have been bitten by several german shepards (they seem to have a taste for me)
And when I was a kid had my dog attacked by a Boxer that tore her shoulder up pretty good.
now my dog was a beagle. Beagles are not exactly known for being ferocious but yet this same beagle tried to attack the mailman.
Ultimately it is the owners responcability to maintain control over their animals reguardless of species or breed.
On the other hand. I also feel that if you enter my property illegally and without notifying me first and my daughters duck attacks you.
Your on your own.
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well... I believe that while I don't want to get bit by a 2 pound dog... I feel that they are much less of a potential danger than a pit.
lazs
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Face it. Most people do not think about the possible consequences of their actions.
I agree. I see it on this board everyday. :)
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
:rofl
You should fear my Dachsund.
Why anyone would want a really big dog is beyond me.
First, the bigger the dog, the bigger the poops.
Second, How often do cute chicks come up and pet your Pit bull.
My Weenie-Dog is a real chick magnet!
do you keep it in your handbag? do you have a pink leash for it?
Only small dog worth having is a Jack Russell ;)
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I'm pretty confident that if you hold real still for an hour or so Coco could gnaw through your jugular.
(http://www.inettek.com/stuff/coco.jpg)
p.s. please don't call her "rat dog", it's hurts her feelings when I do it. ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
I'm pretty confident that if you hold real still for an hour or so Coco could gnaw through your jugular.
Huh, sorry for being off-topic, but what is this? Wingless bat? (http://www.inettek.com/stuff/coco.jpg)
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Ok… so I’m a pitbull owner and here to defend it. Not only that but my wife is very involved in the humane society and dog rescue.
To pick a specific breed out is crap. It has nothing to do with breed but everything to do with the individual animal itself.
I’m giving the wife a call now to send me an email with all of the breed ban legislation information, CDC statistics, and anything else she has. She’s done a lot of research on the subject and find that most people, as they are here, are actually clueless about the number and type of dog attacks and breeds that are associated.
Pitbull’s are highly trainable and very intelligent dogs and do pretty much whatever the owner teaches them and/or wants them to do. I’ll be back on a bit later with some statistic information to drown out the misconceptions and ignorance that is displayed here.
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No matter how well trained, a dog, like a human, can attack without provocation.
Now, which dog is a bigger threat to me and my kids when we're riding our bikes?
Coco the merciless, or an 80lb Rottie, Pit Bull, Etc.
I think the stat will tell you the most common dog to bite is a cocker spanial.
We're not talking frequency here. We're talking the damage an animal can do.
I'm sure White Tigers are very trainable and intelligent, but there is a reason you do not keep an animal with such power as a pet.
Ask Roy Horn. He'll tell you.
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I have owned a pit bull...it was a gift to me when it was a puppy...It was extrememly well trained and intelligent..I knew that this breed had problems so I shelled out cash to a professional trainer. The trainer was never violent towards the dog during his course of instruction..The dog seemed very docile and friendly..then one day it snapped and attacked me and my son. We have never done anything to this dog to provoke that kind of thing. The breed was bred with the worst aggressive characteristics and you can't ovveride nature/instinct with training. I don't base my opinion of these trash dogs on hearsay or ignorance..I base it on experience. I took the dog out back and shot it on the spot..Some may call that being cruel..I call it being responsible.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
I took the dog out back and shot it on the spot..Some may call that being cruel..I call it being responsible.
I could not agree more.
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it used to be, and for all I know still is, common practice for farmers and ranchers to shoot any dog that killed livestock no matter how attached they were to it.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
it used to be, and for all I know still is, common practice for farmers and ranchers to shoot any dog that killed livestock no matter how attached they were to it.
lazs
You have to..Once they've tasted blood they are nothing but dangerous.
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I've said it before in these threads and I'll say it again. Go ahead and show me stats about how the neighbors Cocker bit some kid shooting a water gun at his face. Post an article about a golden retriever going off his rocker at the mail man if it makes you feel better. The bottom line is that pit bulls were BRED TO FIGHT. It's their instinct. I would have better luck training my collies to not round things up in tight circles. You may mask the behavior, but it will ALWAYS be there ready to come out.
Call me ignorant if you want, but it just proves you know nothing about me. I'll stay out of a discussion that I'm not qualified for but when it comes to dogs and old cars I'm going to jump right in. I've worked with and trained dogs for the last 15 years, including pit bulls. So I think I have an idea of what i'm talking about.
Cougar
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
To pick a specific breed out is crap. It has nothing to do with breed but everything to do with the individual animal itself.
I don't think that's accurate. I mean, the above pictured rat dog would need a machette and a bear trap to maul a kid.
Now, if you're talking about Pit bulls vs. German Sheaperds/Dobermans, I think it's a closer question. I admit that I really don't know the difference in the destructive capabilities between breeds of large dogs. I would be very curious to see the information that your wife has collected on legislation, and want to reiterate that I'm suggesting a change in the liability standards for large dog owners, not a ban on any dogs.
What I would be most interested in (but am WAY too lazy and dissinterested to look up) would be a comparrison of Pit Bull attacks vs successful negligence claims against the owners. If there was a high % of owners already being found liable for the attacks, it really wouldn't make much sense to decrease the threshold at all.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
I don't think that's accurate. I mean, the above pictured rat dog would need a machette and a bear trap to maul a kid.
-Sik
Get'm Coco!
(http://www.inettek.com/stuff/coco2.jpg)
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thats what you get when somebody gets a dog for a pet thats not suposed to be a pet. pitbulls were bred to bite cows. thats not what i would want in a pet dog. blue heeler is a breed that bites but you dont here about them in the news. i dont trust ANY animal 100%. sometimes dogs just flip out and go cujo even little ones.
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Animals can flip out. You are ok Iron as long as you don't bring home Taco Bell(tm).
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Been trying to get her to say " Yo quero Taco Bell". Having as much luck with that as getting her to attack visitors. :D
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Back seat moderation. :)
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taco bell is the cause of most diarrhea.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Back seat moderation. :)
And for about 3 seconds I'm looking at my post thinking..
"I did'nt write that."
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The following information and links were sent to me by my wife. She is also the author of one of the articles that I’ll also post here.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/legislation.html
http://www.pbrc.net/breedspecific.html
Can you find the pitbull? (http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html)
CDC Site - Has the Devil Pit in it - but read closely (http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf)
First off I’m not saying that large dogs do not cause problems when not properly handled by the owners. What you all are stating here is that the “breed” should be banned, killed, off, or whatever nonsense that I idly read through.
When not properly taken care of any dog, especially a large breed dog, can be dangerous. The issue is only that “pitbulls” are news worthy and get reported more. It’s also more likely that the dog is not truly a pitbull as from what I understand it is actually not a breed at all but a designation of several breeds in a cross.
It’s the new buzz word for the press. OMG, the pitbulls are attacking us all! Stating “When are they going to eliminate the breed or the breeders” is ridiculous and ignorant. I would argue that the dog that attacked in this situation wasn’t a pitbull at all but probably a large mixed breed dog. Since being a “pitbull” is subjective and can only be proven by expensive DNA measures it’s easy for the public to specifically pick out a “breed” for the dog and then flash the headline.
The links posted here for breed ban specific legislation outlines the problems with identifying pitbulls and outright removing them from communities. It simply isn’t possible due to the large birth that the “breed” is being lumped into. The CDC pdf file shows that pits where indeed the problem during the measured time period; however, it specifically outlines that Rot’s are more of a problem. In past studies it was the German Shepard.
If you want to stop dog attacks and deaths then singling out a breed is not going to do it. Start enforcing current laws for the owners. Why was the dog loose in the first place? Start imposing jail time and fines for owners with aggressive dogs. Oh, but you can’t do that can you. Then the definition for an “aggressive dog” comes into play. Mumsies Chihuahua could all of a sudden place her in the poky or cause a large fine to be imposed when it finally bites someone.
What you’re trying to do is to stop me from owning certain types of property that you feel are unnecessary. How about we make it to where any dog over the size of 15 pounds is eliminated. That way we can make total sure that no one dies from a dog attack. Of course then there would be the problem of Mumsies Chihuahua again attacking an infant. So lets just get rid of dogs all together.
Owners are the problem not the breed. If in fact one day the devil does come out of my pit and attacks me like the other poster here did, then yes the dog goes down. Will that happen; highly unlikely, but anything is possible. The nature of a dog is that of, well, a dog. They do not reason but have temperaments, some more aggressive than others. It does not necessarily mean though that all dogs in the breed are going to be killers but it does mean that all dogs are animals and will be as such. Taking your eye off any dog around children or infants is ignorant independent of the breed. An owner who raises a dog to be aggressive or owns one that has the natural temperament to be aggressive should be directly responsible for the dogs actions.
In short, try and take my dog from me and you’ll have about as much luck as getting the S&W out of my hand that’s guarding him. This would probably be the case for anyone who owns, or rather has, a friend and sidekick.
Basically, get your hand out of my pocket. Go after the owners not the dogs; besides, it’s not the dogs fault it’s an animal, but it is the owners fault for not taking proper care of it.
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This is the article that my wife had published…
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After coming home from a stroll with their newly rescued dog, the Bishop family was surprised when an animal control officer was standing at their door. It seemed there had been a complaint about their dog by a neighbor. The family insisted that this must be a mistake: their dog was current on his vaccinations, was never allowed to run off leash, and had been responsibly neutered. The animal control officer quickly explained that although their dog had caused no “problems”, the issue was that their 35 pound dog which had been identified by a veterinarian as a French Bulldog/Boxer mix, “looked” like a Pit Bull. Since Pit Bulls are banned in the city, they were ordered to remove the dog from city limits within 72 hours. Does this sound unfair, irrational, and possibly even crazy? Unfortunately, this scenario happens daily in the Kansas City metro area where breed specific legislation (BSL) is running rampant.
Many proponents of BSL will use the Center for Disease Control’s (CDC) statistics regarding dog bites to have specific breeds banned from their cities. What these BSL advocates do not tell you is that the CDC does not support BSL. In fact, in a special report titled “Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998”, the CDC indicates, “data may be biased…” Among the reasons they cite are the following, “to the extent that attacks by 1 breed are more newsworthy than those by other breeds, our methods may have resulted in differential ascertainment of fatalities by breed” and “because identification of a dog’s breed may be subjective (even experts may disagree on the breed of a particular dog), DBRF [dog bite related fatalities] may be differentially ascribed to breeds with a reputation for aggression.” In their conclusion they acknowledge the following:
Although fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem… other breeds may bite and cause fatalities at higher rates. Because of difficulties inherent in determining a dog’s breed with certainty, enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises constitutional and practical issues.
Breed misidentification is only one of the many reasons why BSL is not the best alternative for our community. The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) asserts that, “many of the factors that affect a dog’s propensity to bite are no more specific to a pit bull than they are to a poodle.” In a May-June 2001 article called “Blame the Breed?” the HSUS cites the following statistics:
• Since 1975, dogs belonging to more than 30 breeds have been responsible for fatal attacks on people.
• Sexually intact dogs are 2.6 times more likely to bite than sterilized dogs
• Chained dogs are 2.8 times more likely to bite than unchained dogs
Nearly all reputable organizations that know anything about dogs, including the CDC, HSUS and many others such as the American Veterinary Medical Association, the American Kennel Club (AKC), the National Animal Control Association, and the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, oppose BSL in favor of enforcing responsible pet ownership. Alternatives suggested by these organizations are as follows:
• Lobby for non-breed specific laws such as a dangerous dog law that would punish owners that allow their dogs to run off leash or deliberately train their dog to be a danger to others. A new law that is gaining momentum and that has recently been passed in Lawrence is an anti-tethering law. According to an article in the Lawrence Journal World titled City decision goes to the dogs, the law will “prohibit people from keeping a dog chained for more than one hour at a time, for a maximum of three hours a day, with required three-hour breaks between chaining.”
• Enforce existing laws. Many cities already have dangerous dog laws and leash laws that are not enforced. It is essential that the public insist that these laws are enforced.
• Educate the public on responsible dog ownership by providing responsible dog ownership seminars and canine safety education. Education should include the importance of spaying and neutering and the dangers of allowing their dog to run at large.
Another statistic fallacy that the CDC explains on their website is the fact that they have no data regarding how many dogs there are of one breed in the United States and therefore the numbers gathered have absolutely no meaning. In other words, the numbers would have more significance if they could compare the number of bites per breed versus the number of dogs of that breed that exist in our country. According to the American Temperament Test Society, Inc., a non-profit organization dedicated to “uniform temperament evaluation of purebred and spayed/neutered mixed-breed dogs”, over 83.9% of the American Pit Bull Terrier’s and 82.2% of Rottweilers tested, have passed their temperament test. This is compared to 79.2% of Border Collies, 76.2% of Australian Shepherds, and 80.9% of breeds on average. These figures seem to indicate that our view of certain breeds have been skewed by positive or negative media attention, depending on the breed.
The bottom-line is that BSL is not a community’s answer to dog bite prevention. In addition to the reasons mentioned before, the AKC has this to say about BSL:
Breed-specific laws are not the best way to protect communities. An owner intent on using his or her dogs for malicious purposes will simply be able to switch to another type of dog and continue to jeopardize public safety. The list of regulated breeds or types could grow every year without ever addressing responsible dog ownership. Deeds, not breeds, should be addressed.
For additional information regarding this unfair epidemic you may visit the following websites:
Center for Disease Control: http://www.cdc.gov
Humane Society of the United States http://www.hsus.org
The American Veterinary Medical Association http://www.avma.org
The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals http://www.aspca.org
American Kennel Club http://www.akc.org
Missouri Pit Bull Rescue http://www.mprgroup.net
Pit Bull Rescue Central http://www.pbrc.net
American Temperament Test Society, Inc. http://www.atts.org
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It's kinda like raising a lion cub from birth, sure, it can work, but I wouldn't trust it. One day you're a meal
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Originally posted by ASTAC
I'm still waiting for the pitbull owner to show up to defend with...
"They're not all like that. I have one and it's like a baby and very loving"
A little preemtive strike....NO MATTER WHAT TRAINING YOU GIVE A DOG..NO MATTER HOW THEY SEEM TO BE...YOU CAN NEVER OVERRIDE INSTICT!
These dogs are mean and agressive by instict..therefore a menace and should be outlawed.
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they are not naturally vicious, they are very motivated over achievers. if you train them to be mean they will be very good at it.
I've owned 4, the latest is closing in on 15 years old. I've owned and been around them since I was 13 yrs old (thats 25 yrs). my brother currently has 2 that I watch often. I didn't have one when my son was a baby but both of my daughters were babies around pit-bulls, when they cut their teeth they did most of it on the ears of the poor dogs who whined a bit and tried to hide from the kids but never once showed an aggressive tendency twards any child.
the problem is that many of you are falling for simple hype and propaganda. the news media inflicts a huge bias and you guys suck it up.
I've been bitten (to the point of needing stitches) twice in my life. once when younger a relatives dachshund, and when I was a teenager a doberman did a bit of damage to my arm before I could kill it.
my sister in law was bitten in the face and permanently scarred by a husky.
my little brother was bitten in the neck and face (also scarred) by a full sized poodle.
I don't know anyone, personally, who's ever been unjustifiably attacked by a pit bull. the only ones I do know of were the 2 (separate occasions) who tried to break into my house.
the point is that offhand I can think of a dozen or more people who have been bitten and/or scarred by dog attacks, and not one of them was by a pit. I would be willing to bet that if answered honestly most people would have to agree that their experience if any with dog bites would be very similar.
yet how many non-pit bull dog attacks are deemed 'news worthy', I can't think of a single non-pit bull dog attack that made the news.
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yeah, and someone's grandma smoked all her life and she's a 120. See, smoking isn't bad for you
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The difference with pit bull bites and most other breeds and the reason you don't hear about it is simply the damage that is done. Like I said before I've been working with dogs for 15 years now. I've seen labs, collies, chihuahuas, border collies, cattle dogs and boxers bite people, to name a few. But I've also seen pit bull bites. Take a lab for instance. They can be trained to do just about whatever you want them to, including being aggressive. But when a lab bites, it's usually a warning and not an attack. A couple of stitches if necessary and all is well. But the pit bites I've seen are much different. They don't bite for warning, they hold on for the kill because it is what THEY WERE BRED FOR.
I won't deny that owners are largely responsible for their dog's behavior problems. BUT!!!!!!!! You CAN'T own a collie and get pissed off if they try to herd up the kids at your son's birthday party and you CAN'T be suprised when your pit bull mauls someone. A particular breed should be expected to act as it was bred to. Don't own a collie if you don't want herding, don't own a dachsund if you don't like it running after vermon and don't own a pitbull if you don't want to take the chance of getting bitten.
Cougar
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
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they are not naturally vicious, they are very motivated over achievers. if you train them to be mean they will be very good at it.
I've owned 4, the latest is closing in on 15 years old. I've owned and been around them since I was 13 yrs old (thats 25 yrs). my brother currently has 2 that I watch often. I didn't have one when my son was a baby but both of my daughters were babies around pit-bulls, when they cut their teeth they did most of it on the ears of the poor dogs who whined a bit and tried to hide from the kids but never once showed an aggressive tendency twards any child.
the problem is that many of you are falling for simple hype and propaganda. the news media inflicts a huge bias and you guys suck it up.
I've been bitten (to the point of needing stitches) twice in my life. once when younger a relatives dachshund, and when I was a teenager a doberman did a bit of damage to my arm before I could kill it.
my sister in law was bitten in the face and permanently scarred by a husky.
my little brother was bitten in the neck and face (also scarred) by a full sized poodle.
I don't know anyone, personally, who's ever been unjustifiably attacked by a pit bull. the only ones I do know of were the 2 (separate occasions) who tried to break into my house.
the point is that offhand I can think of a dozen or more people who have been bitten and/or scarred by dog attacks, and not one of them was by a pit. I would be willing to bet that if answered honestly most people would have to agree that their experience if any with dog bites would be very similar.
yet how many non-pit bull dog attacks are deemed 'news worthy', I can't think of a single non-pit bull dog attack that made the news.
did you read my other post?
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Thanks for the info Zip, very interesting stuff.
It really seems to support my strict liability plan.
-Sik
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Sheeesh....next thing you know you folks are going to try to convince me that a kid acting up in school is society's fault and not parenting. :rolleyes:
A dog is trained to be aggressive. My cousin had a pit for about 16 yrs who was well trained and would give babies rides around the living room. He never once attacked anyone provoked or not. However, if you ever lifted a finger against one of his "family members" he would be at your feet growling and I guarantee you he would make sure you understood what he was trying to tell you. He was a neutered male and was very protective of his family but he was raised right and trained well. Painting the whole breed with the same brush simply because some idiots out there aren't responsible dog owners is redikulus.
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I can't believe you guys are so passionate for an animal..they aren't even nice looking dogs.
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If a guy can't have a Pitbull, how will he compensate for the little "unit" that drives him to get one in the first place?
How can he prove he is a man? How can he try to impress people with how macho he is?
My God people, don't make these poor unfortunate souls lacking in self-asteem resort to going around every day without something to make them feel powerful.
But then, I guess they could always by a Harley, works the same way. :rofl
dago
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Pitbulls are not a pure-bred. They were bred SPECIFICALLY to fight.
There is no need to keep breeding them as this practice is now illegal.
I do not advocate a nazi style extermination of all existing pitbulls. I do advocate that they should no longer be bred.
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But I eat Taco Bell(TM) So he/she would get 2nd hand diarrea.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Sixpence
It's kinda like raising a lion cub from birth, sure, it can work, but I wouldn't trust it. One day you're a meal
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Yeah and 99.9% of Pit owners today have no papers from the ADBA, nor could they trace their dog's bloodline back to original fighting stock. If you buy a Pit or any other dog for that matter without checking the lineage you're just a door knob.
Just because it has the appearance of a Pit doesn't mean it's a purebred. If you look at the purebred Pits from the 50's and 60's they look nothing like the so called scatter bred Pits of today.
I had a purebred Colby dog.
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I myself have owned 3 male Dobermans. One when I only had a lab and now 2 of them together. I've only witnessed a few aggressive tendencies by any of my dogs.
The most frequent being my male dobe keeping my yellow lab off the porch anytime he was eating. Nothing more than a growl and a nip on the butt was what he'd do. Even when this was happening I could place my hands in his bowl and take his food away with no problems or aggressive behaviour. He only did it to the lab when he was eating and she'd try to come up on the porch.
That same male dobe had one other instance where he growled at a African-American male that came over to the house to look at puppies. I've had many African-American friends come over in the past and never once did he react this way.
My current two dobermans have only showed the typical dominance thing between themselves. They tried when they were young to be dominant over myself and my wife but it was quickly fixed.
I had one instance where my Red Doberman got out of the yard and didn't come back for about a week. In the end it was found he was attacked by atleast one wolf and maybe even more. He obviously survived and did what must have been necessary to do so. But I have yet to witness any aggressive behaviour after the incident. He was initially very touchy when I had to tend to his wounds.
I do think for the most part it is the owners and not the animal. That doesn't mean though that some animals can and will be aggressive over their lifetime. It also doesn't mean that a breed may have issues that can also make them suseptable to wigging out.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
When are they either going to eliminate the breed or the Breeders?
wouldn't that be genoside?