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Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Karnak on September 17, 2004, 05:49:05 PM
What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?

Title says it all.  Please keep it civil.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: mora on September 17, 2004, 05:58:35 PM
Probably most people want to see more of this:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/view/
Title: Re: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Silat on September 17, 2004, 06:16:51 PM
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Originally posted by Karnak
What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?

Title says it all.  Please keep it civil.


 I just hope he fixes the mess left from the previous president:)


                   :lol
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Gunslinger on September 17, 2004, 06:21:06 PM
I would like to see some fair yet right leaning judges actually apointed.  I am sick and tired of activist judges making law by setting precidints (SP) from the bench.

I would like to see cap limits be put on mal-practice lawsuits....I think its referred to as tort reform.

I'd like to see a trial or a corps of Osama Bin Laden.

I would like to see a complete overhaul of the tax system.

I would like to see the continued overturning of frivilous complience laws signed during the latter clinton years that hurt business and make it harder to managed forrests/prevent wild fires.

I would like to see an agressive move towards reduction in dependence in foreign oil (if this means drilling in ANWAR drill away) AND continued aggressive research towards alternate fueling methods.

I would like to see a continued fight against abortion based on morals and not on choice.  Rights are another issue.

Just my opinions though as asked by the thread title

there's probably more I just cant think of them
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Thrawn on September 17, 2004, 07:07:56 PM
An impeachment.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: rpm on September 17, 2004, 07:11:39 PM
What would I like to see out of a 2nd Bush term?


Dubya.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Holden McGroin on September 17, 2004, 07:12:17 PM
So Thrawn, you're pro-Cheney?
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Thrawn on September 17, 2004, 07:13:46 PM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So Thrawn, you're pro-Cheney?



Nope.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Holden McGroin on September 17, 2004, 07:16:31 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Nope.


So you wanted an impeachment, .. then.. you don't want... an impeachment.

Yep Kerry's your man.;)
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Thrawn on September 17, 2004, 07:18:58 PM
Just because I don't like Cheney doesn't mean I don't think it should be done.  And Kerry is irrelevant as we are already assuming he lost.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: VOR on September 17, 2004, 07:23:49 PM
I'd like to see him take the silk gloves off. It's time to quit worrying about what the neighbors think and really get down to brass tacks.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Muckmaw1 on September 17, 2004, 07:43:07 PM
I'm looking forward to going down to the village and laughing at all the hippies.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Eagler on September 17, 2004, 07:46:04 PM
tax reform

continued economic growth

a self governing Iraq

a nukeless NK and Iran

drilling for all possible US oil - cheaper oil/gas

increased school voucher program

appointment of conservative judges

stricter guidelines on unemployment "benefits"- get those that can work, to work and off the gov tit

privatization of Social Security

Rowe vs Wade overturned or at the very least - all gov funds pulled from this form of institutionalized baby killing accepted form of birth control

for the reps to sweep again in 06

loud weeping, hand wringing and whining from the left and the michael moore-on fan club - LOL
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Holden McGroin on September 17, 2004, 07:55:27 PM
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Originally posted by Eagler
Rowe vs Wade overturned or at the very least - all gov funds pulled from this form of institutionalized baby killing accepted form of birth control


Baby Killing? OMG... I thought Row vs Wade was about fly fishing technique...
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: rabbidrabbit on September 17, 2004, 08:02:15 PM
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Originally posted by mora
Probably most people want to see more of this:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/view/


I'd prefer a lot less of that.  Just because his drunk/drugged *** had an "awakening" one day does not mean hes right and must shove religious zealotism down my throat.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: B17Skull12 on September 17, 2004, 09:27:14 PM
tax reform
more wars and this might not happen.

continued economic growth
i can hope this goes by next summer so i can get a job!

a self governing Iraq
04.

a nukeless NK and Iran
you must be kidding?  this wont happen.

drilling for all possible US oil - cheaper oil/gas
lets just take over the world shall we?

increased school voucher program
no way in hell.

appointment of conservative judges
Fair trial.

stricter guidelines on unemployment "benefits"- get those that can work, to work and off the gov tit
tough to decide on but i will say not much of a chance.

privatization of Social Security
don't put money on it.

Rowe vs Wade overturned or at the very least - all gov funds pulled from this form of institutionalized baby killing accepted form of birth control
wont happen.

for the reps to sweep again in 06
as long as the Governator runs this should happen.

loud weeping, hand wringing and whining from the left and the michael moore-on fan club - LOL
That will happen.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Lazerus on September 17, 2004, 09:29:31 PM
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
I'd prefer a lot less of that.  Just because his drunk/drugged *** had an "awakening" one day does not mean hes right and must shove religious zealotism down my throat.


I've heard this type of statement from a few people I know, and I can't get a specific answer for it, other than he's openly religious. They didn't quite say it that way, but that was the gist of it.

What has he done to force religion into your life?

As for the original question:

A return to the true ideals of the Republican party, ie: smaller federal government, more control at the state level.

Tax reform, tax reform, tax reform. I like my money, I work hard for it. There's got to be a better way to collect the monies to run the needed federal programs. The federal sales tax (http://fairtax.org/) is the best idea I have seen and I support it fully.

An examination of the regulations on new oil refineries built in the US. There haven't been any new refineries built in years because of the restrictive regulations, while about half of the ones we had 20 years ago have shut down. They can't refine crude fast enough with the facilities thay have. Short supply of refined oil in the form of gas at the pump equals higher gas prices. Another look at ANWAR drilling after these changes will help everyone in more ways than just cheaper gas at the pump. These higher prices are choking our economy which relies heavily on trucking.

I know none of these things will happen, but that's what I'd like to see. I could type another 500 words on all kinds of other stuff, but these are the ones on my mind tonight.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Sixpence on September 17, 2004, 09:36:51 PM
http://www.veggievan.org/biodiesel/articles/dr_diesels_invention.php
Title: B17Skull12
Post by: Eagler on September 17, 2004, 11:12:08 PM
I'd respond to your response but then i realize you are younger than my youngest and chaulk ur uninformed opinion to youth

I do you for being involved & concerned at your age, I can honestly say I did not have the same things on my mind at your age, I gave a rats arse about politics then  :)
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Fruda on September 17, 2004, 11:31:46 PM
A lifetime prison sentence.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Nash on September 17, 2004, 11:43:35 PM
free beer and gmail accounts for evaryone!!!1
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Bodhi on September 17, 2004, 11:51:46 PM
election reform...

no more soft money in ANY shape.


ohh and Michael Moore on trial for elction fraud *(he is registered in two states)

when he is convicted, his head on a post would do nicely. kidding.

No, his punishment should be making a documentary on the harm his lies have wrought upon the families of those that serve overseas, and a vitamin supplement only diet.
Title: Re: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: FUNKED1 on September 18, 2004, 12:28:59 AM
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Originally posted by Karnak
What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?

Title says it all.  Please keep it civil.


Do you really want to know?
Whatever combination of assassinations is required to put Powell in the Oval Office.  That would be a good start.
That's pretty improbable so I will just hope that the next 4 years finally wake up the rest of America to the fact that the two-party-graftocracy is killing this country.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: demaw1 on September 18, 2004, 12:47:04 AM
1, Stop spending what we dont have.
2. change tax code
3. fight the dam war and stop protecting all these so called religious sites that are being hid behind.
4.a younger conservative court that believes in what the founding fathers did.
5. closing the borders
6. look into health care in a sensible way.
7. wonder what a part time congress would be like?
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Martlet on September 18, 2004, 01:28:06 AM
Machine gun posts on our southern border.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Martlet on September 18, 2004, 01:28:44 AM
northern, too.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Thrawn on September 18, 2004, 02:22:56 AM
Premenantly, what does a US President swear to do?
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: NUKE on September 18, 2004, 02:29:26 AM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Premenantly, what does a US President swear to do?


which US President?
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Nash on September 18, 2004, 02:29:35 AM
Uphold the Constitution of the United States?
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Steve on September 18, 2004, 02:31:19 AM
Thrawn said:

Quote
Kerry is irrelevant


This may be the only intelligent thing ever typed by Thrawn
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Nash on September 18, 2004, 02:33:49 AM
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Originally posted by Steve
This may be the only intelligent thing ever typed by Thrawn


Oh! Was that a joke? HahhaHHAHAHahah
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Thrawn on September 18, 2004, 02:40:17 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
Uphold the Constitution of the United States?


Amazing that this answer comes from a foreigner.  But I guess it's amazing enought the question comes from a foreigner.

And what did Bush do when he tried to over rule the Constitution when it came to the rights of a US citizen by executive edict?
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Nash on September 18, 2004, 02:42:47 AM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
And what did`


Circumvent, ignore and even try to change it.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Thrawn on September 18, 2004, 02:45:53 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
Circumvent, ignore and even try to change it.


Or attack it.

But lets ignore that.  Let's talk about the incumbants or his challengers military history from 30 years ago.

The Supreme Court overturned it.  But that doesn't mean that he didn't make this power grap.  At the attempted expence of the US Constitution.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Nash on September 18, 2004, 02:46:37 AM
Yer in the wrong forum, man. :)
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Thrawn on September 18, 2004, 02:49:16 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
Yer in the wrong forum, man. :)


Cripes, I don't know if there is a right one.  I am just amazed at the short memory of some.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Nash on September 18, 2004, 02:52:11 AM
Replace "short" with "selective" and we got ourselves a ball game.
Title: Re: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Nilsen on September 18, 2004, 02:52:46 AM
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Originally posted by Karnak
What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?

 


More "breaking news" coverage of him falling over on his bike.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: oboe on September 18, 2004, 07:15:22 AM
There is nothing wrong with this country that a tax cut for the wealthiest 2% won't fix.   If we don't have the money then we should just borrow it and let our children and grandchildren worry about paying it back.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Ripsnort on September 18, 2004, 07:29:06 AM
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Originally posted by Martlet
northern, too.

:rofl

--Fixing the mess in Iraq. I've posted in the past that he's failing to get the job done, though I admit they probably didn't forecast thousands of insurgents from Iran, Syria, Jordon flooding the country.

--Tax reform. Simplify the tax code.

--come up with a plan to lower the deficit.

--Tort reform. Make it so that if a party sues, and loses, they pay all court costs. This will eliminate alot of these rediculous lawsuits. Also add a cap to how much you can sue a doctor. This will lower the cost of malpractice insurance.

--smaller Gov't. Turn more fiscal responsibility over to the state level.

--Send yet more money into R&D of alternate fuel sources like hydrogen and give the automakers some tax incentives to push forwardwith ideas, solutions.

--Expand the drilling of our OWN oil in our OWN country.

--Give states the ability to expand their now-antique refinery's.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Dowding on September 18, 2004, 10:39:12 AM
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...though I admit they probably didn't forecast thousands of insurgents from Iran, Syria, Jordon flooding the country.


They 'they' must be complete and utter idiots.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Bodhi on September 18, 2004, 10:45:27 AM
My bet is all that  almost all Thrawn's posts and Nash's here are edited to inflammatory come monday morning.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Trell on September 18, 2004, 11:20:17 AM
Pulling out of Iraq

pulling our troops back home from most over seas stations

drilling anywhere in our country to remove dependence of foreign oil

pulling out of NAFTA and tell the world to screw fair trade

put into place a way to penalize  sending jobs over seas,

cut spending to foreign governments and the UN

more research in alternative fuel.

Find a way to reform heath care.

more money to adults going back to college.

keeping abortion rights,  but cutting funding of it.

repeal of the patriot act  

federal law allowing ccws for most citizens nation wide

enforce taxes on companies. with out loopholes
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Thrawn on September 18, 2004, 12:50:46 PM
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Originally posted by Bodhi
My bet is all that  almost all Thrawn's posts and Nash's here are edited to inflammatory come monday morning.



Heheh, can't rebutt so try and get them censored eh?
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: FUNKED1 on September 18, 2004, 01:02:53 PM
Of course the Bush administration has done a ton of good for religious freedom and for the right to bear arms, but the Kanukistanianameristalkers ignore it because they don't agree with those constitutional rights.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Holden McGroin on September 18, 2004, 01:06:21 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
And what did Bush do when he tried to over rule the Constitution when it came to the rights of a US citizen by executive edict?


Bush has issued more than 150 Executive Orders.  Which one(s) has you most upset?

Or is it that Executive Orders exist and really have no constitutional foundation no matter what president invokes them?
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Thrawn on September 18, 2004, 01:12:56 PM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Bush has issued more than 150 Executive Orders.  Which one(s) has you most upset?



Declaring a US citizen and enemy combatant and trying to suspend their right to haebus corpus.



"Of course the Bush administration has done a ton of good for religious freedom and for the right to bear arms, but the Kanukistanianameristalkers ignore it because they don't agree with those constitutional rights."


Please, sometimes we are judged on our one offs.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 18, 2004, 01:17:15 PM
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Originally posted by Martlet
Machine gun posts on our southern border.


Together with mines. lots and LOTS of landmines

Preferably the kind that castrate and not kill.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: SLO on September 18, 2004, 01:21:27 PM
like to see em say

"I as the prez of this good ol' US of A would like to excuse my

actions in Iraq and yes it was for OIL because 20 years from now

we won't have anymore(there goes my big bellybutton Hummer) and for

PISSIN OFF everyone else in the world"

but since that ain't gonna happen, business as usual, who gives a fug:aok
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: FUNKED1 on September 18, 2004, 01:24:42 PM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Together with mines. lots and LOTS of landmines

Preferably the kind that castrate and not kill.


LOL

Better yet how about mines that release birth control agents.  :)
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Holden McGroin on September 18, 2004, 01:30:03 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Declaring a US citizen and enemy combatant and trying to suspend their right to haebus corpus.
 


The phrase enemy combatant was invented by the US Supreme Court in the 1942 ruling "Ex Parte Quirin".

As defined by President Franklin D Roosevelt's proclamation number 2561, this definition applied to all persons who are subjects, citizens, or residents of any Nation at war with the United States or who give obedience to or act under the direction of any such Nation and who during time of war enter or attempt to enter the United States or any territory or possession thereof, through coastal or boundary defenses, and are charged with committing or attempting or preparing to commit sabotage, espionage, hostile or warlike acts, or violations of the law or war..[/b]

Once determined by the president to be an enemy combatant, persons may be held indefinitely and are subject to the jursidiction of military tribunals. Appeals or privilege to access to civilian courts is only granted to enemy combatants with the approval of both the Attorney General and Secretary of Defense.

Although the power to declare enemy combatants was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1942, it is currently under review (as of May 2004) and the future of this authority is unknown.

Until the court decides otherwise, by the decision of the 1942 SC, enemy combatant status is constitutional.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 18, 2004, 01:37:54 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
LOL

Better yet how about mines that release birth control agents.  :)


Yea but wouldnt be as much of a deterrent.

Which would deter you more the possibility having birth control agents forced upon you? or the possibility of having your nuts blown off?

My way accomplishes the same thing anyway:)
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Thrawn on September 18, 2004, 02:08:40 PM
Yes Holden, and how does that apply to a citizen of the US?
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Holden McGroin on September 18, 2004, 02:16:53 PM
Jose Padilla, a US Citizen held under this act, is accused of "giving obedience to or act under the direction of" and entered the US from spending time in Pakistan.  He therefore qualifies under the second part of the definition, "and who during time of war enter or attempt to enter the United States or any territory or possession thereof, through coastal or boundary defenses, and are charged with committing or attempting or preparing to commit sabotage, espionage, hostile or warlike acts, or violations of the law or war.. "
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Mark Luper on September 18, 2004, 02:21:19 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Yes Holden, and how does that apply to a citizen of the US?


Re read the first part of this:

all persons who are subjects, citizens, or residents of any Nation at war with the United States or who give obedience to or act under the direction of any such Nation  and who during time of war enter or attempt to enter the United States or any territory or possession thereof, through coastal or boundary defenses, and are charged with committing or attempting or preparing to commit sabotage, espionage, hostile or warlike acts, or violations of the law or war...
Title: Re: Re: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Torque on September 18, 2004, 02:29:10 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Do you really want to know?
Whatever combination of assassinations is required to put Powell in the Oval Office.  That would be a good start.
That's pretty improbable so I will just hope that the next 4 years finally wake up the rest of America to the fact that the two-party-graftocracy is killing this country.


The first thing Powell would do in the Oval Office, be assassinated.

Eddy Murphy had it right.
Title: Re: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: 1K3 on September 18, 2004, 02:52:39 PM
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Originally posted by Karnak
What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?


maybe bush with dem ctrl @ 06























or

Kerry and rep ctrl @ 06


talk about win/win situation!

:)
Title: Re: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Tumor on September 18, 2004, 04:09:55 PM
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Originally posted by Karnak
What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?

Title says it all.  Please keep it civil.


A large glass parking lot in southwest asia.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Thrawn on September 19, 2004, 01:28:20 AM
Fine Mark, and Holden.  But it didn't become an attack on the US Constitution until it was actually applied to US citizen.
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Montezuma on September 19, 2004, 12:45:01 PM
He will raise taxes

He will bow to the WTO.
Title: Re: Re: Re: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Sandman on September 19, 2004, 01:04:51 PM
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Originally posted by Torque
The first thing Powell would do in the Oval Office, be assassinated.

Eddy Murphy had it right.


Wasn't that Chris Rock?
Title: Re: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: Gh0stFT on September 19, 2004, 02:46:57 PM
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Originally posted by Karnak
What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?


more prezels.

R
Gh0stFT
Title: What would you like to see out of a second Bush term?
Post by: 1K3 on September 19, 2004, 05:47:59 PM
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He will raise taxes

He will bow to the WTO.


I heard that skerry will raise taxes to couples (or singles) who are making $250K and those who have to outer-space $$$ proportion income/year. (combined) If your income is between $15K-$100K/yr combined, chances are thet you're safe with kerry.