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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Torque on September 20, 2004, 01:08:44 AM
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Over 1000 British Cars of all makes and models. Ranging from a 1927 Austin to Cobras. I was late getting there cuz the GF is a tard.
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Nice pics...:aok
I have a '67 TR-4a (non-IRS), my father has a '63 TR-3B (the car in which my pregnant mother was taken to the hospital to give birth to me, and the car I rode home in), and one of my brothers has a '72 TR-6.
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Originally posted by crowMAW
Nice pics...:aok
I have a '67 TR-4a (non-IRS), my father has a '63 TR-3B (the car in which my pregnant mother was taken to the hospital to give birth to me, and the car I rode home in), and one of my brothers has a '72 TR-6.
Very nice Torque! :) That MGA sure looks sweet!! What motor do you have?
CrowMAW, I take it you're all Triumph fans then!? :) I used to be a mechanic at a garage that used to be a Triumph dealer (along with Jaguar, Land/Range Rover, MG, Rovers, Austins etc.) and although it was no longer a Triumph garage many customers would still bring their Triumphs in. I was fortunate to work on some old Triumphs.... TR4, TR6, TR7, Dolomite Sprint, 1500, Toledo... I adore the TR6 and GT6.... very nice looking cars! Never got to work on a Stag though! :(
What changes did the Triumphs have to under go to be used in the States? I worked on a US spec Austin Healey once and what with the US emission controls it had entirely different carbs among other 'concessions'! ;)
That reminds me of when I was taking day release to attend college during my apprenticeship. They had a TR6 2.5 P.I. engine on a stand. It had a very small exhaust... about 2 feet to be precise with no bafflers! Our teachers wouldn't allow us to run the engine because it was too noisy but one week we managed to convince them to start her up. Wow... this engine sounded beautiful and with the short exhaust it had about 6 feet of flames coming out the back. The rest of the college soon came downstairs to complain about the noise but it was well worth it! :)
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went to a meet a few years ago for Austin Healeys in tahoe.. I drove the my Healey.... there were like 800 big healeys... unreal.. All driving around tahoe... even about 25 v8 ones like mine. We were treated like red headed step children tho.
lazs
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Originally posted by Replicant
CrowMAW, I take it you're all Triumph fans then!? :)
What changes did the Triumphs have to under go to be used in the States?
Yeah...we are a Triumph family.
There really were not many differences until after 1967. We didn't get the fuel injection like Europe did. So instead of the TR5 we got the TR-250, which was a stromburg carburated version. And then our TR-6 was a carburated car as well. A popular conversion is to at least switch to the SU carbs or to a triple weber set-up. The PI was sweet though. I got to drive a TR-6 PI and what a difference in the driving experience it made. Very smooth...no stumbling and stellar acceleration for the time period.
I love the orbital electric overdrive on the TRs. It turns the car into a 7 speed simi-automatic. A downshift for passing is just a flick of a lever away.
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Yeah, the TR6 was PI here yet the GT6 remained carburated. I almost forgot the Spitfire as well, which used to be a very reasonable and cheap car to run; most spare parts readily available here.
I never liked stromberg carbs, I preferred the SU since it was such an easy carb to work with. Webers were great for performance but a biatch to tune.
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I had a friend with a Spitfire in HS and knew another guy with a TR-6. Fun cars to ride around in. Kind of small for a guy my height. But they did not accelerate too good with two big guys in them.
Based on that I am sorry you will have to give up the name Torque in this group. I drive an 2002 250 diesel Ford Crew Cab, so I really deserve the name more. Perhaps we could call you torque-less.;)
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Definitely a good show for TR enthusiasts, they had a big selection from every genre, close to 500 TRs. Going from the original TRs right up the the 8's.
Huba what do you take me fer, i drive a GMC P/U with a 5.7 litre minus the crew cab, i'd smoke ya.
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Originally posted by Habu
But they did not accelerate too good with two big guys in them.
Odd, My Spitfire won't accelerate too good unless you drop if off a cliff.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Torque
Huba what do you take me fer, i drive a GMC P/U with a 5.7 litre minus the crew cab, i'd smoke ya.
The only smoke would be that from your spinning wheels as I dragged that lame bellybutton truck wannabe effortlessly down the road with my Ford.
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Well Habu, the intent of this post was for a little bit of nostalgia fer the Brits on the board. I dinnea wanna turn it into a "my P/U is bigger than your P/U".
Btw, take me for a spin in that aeroplane and i'll let ya drag my P/U all over Parliment Hill if you so desire.
What is a "Habu" anyhoo?
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Hey I was only jokeing. I have no idea if my truck would outpull anything. In my last truck I installed a full Banks kit and it had huge amounts of torque and HP. It was a Dodge with the Cummins engine. I fried the tranny in just under 1 year so now I just keep them stock. If you decide to upgrade the engine you then have to get a modified transmission and drivetrain and the costs just get too high.
If you ever want to go for a flight let me know. I keep the plane at Buttonville in the summer but own a hanger at Collingwood where I will keep in in the winter. I am tied up for the next few weeks but after that I have some free weekends.
I love to go to all the fly in's in the summer where you fly to Haliburton or Hanover or where ever and grab a hotdog and look at all the other planes for a bit then take off and head back.
Do you fly?
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Originally posted by Replicant
I used to be a mechanic at a garage that used to be a Triumph dealer ...... Never got to work on a Stag though! :(
LOL Nexx! With the reliability of those Stags, I'd have thought you could make a career out of working on those and nothing else! :lol They had a 3.0 V8 engine, which was notorious for having poor design for cylinder head cooling, and the heads would warp. Many owners exchanged the original engine for the Rover/Buick 3.5 V8 engine.
The Triumph 2.5PI engine was equally notorious for reliability problems. In standard tune in the TR6, it couldn't meet US emission control standards, which was probably why some detuning was done. Then Triumph brought out a new saloon, basically a carburated version of the 2.5.
As for the carbs of those days - SU were very reliable; you'd always get a first time start. Stromberg CD - had diaphragms which were prone to failure. Weber - I had a Weber twin choke progressive on a Cortina 2000E in the 70s. Good setup, but there was always a stutter at half throttle as the second barrel opened up. Ford was never able to tune that out.
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Originally posted by beet1e
The Triumph 2.5PI engine was equally notorious for reliability problems. In standard tune in the TR6, it couldn't meet US emission control standards, which was probably why some detuning was done.
Detuned is too kind...castrated is more like it.:)
We got 109hp...everyone else got 150hp. :rolleyes:
And of course it had reliability problems...Lucas made the injection! :rofl
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Wow... I see all those british cars sitting on a grass field and can't help but think about how much oil was leaked. The only way it could have been worse is if there were harleys there too.
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Very cool. My dad LOVES brit. cars. He owns an AC Bristol, all decked out for racing, and an Austin Healey (I forget which one. 2nd rarest I think. The 1st one w/ a 6-cyl motor methnks)
Fun rides, and quite gorgeous.
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Originally posted by beet1e
LOL Nexx! With the reliability of those Stags, I'd have thought you could make a career out of working on those and nothing else! :lol They had a 3.0 V8 engine, which was notorious for having poor design for cylinder head cooling, and the heads would warp. Many owners exchanged the original engine for the Rover/Buick 3.5 V8 engine.
The Triumph 2.5PI engine was equally notorious for reliability problems. In standard tune in the TR6, it couldn't meet US emission control standards, which was probably why some detuning was done. Then Triumph brought out a new saloon, basically a carburated version of the 2.5.
As for the carbs of those days - SU were very reliable; you'd always get a first time start. Stromberg CD - had diaphragms which were prone to failure. Weber - I had a Weber twin choke progressive on a Cortina 2000E in the 70s. Good setup, but there was always a stutter at half throttle as the second barrel opened up. Ford was never able to tune that out.
Needless to say I got told about the unreliability of the Stag! Apparently 'half of the Vee' of the V8 engine was used in the TR7 and the other 'half of the Vee' was used in Volvo's.
The 2.5 P.I. was supposed to have problems with the crank shims. I think these were actually thrust shims for when the car accelerated under power. I believe that the shims would wear out quickly and the extra play on the crank would then cause it to crack or wear excessively. I can't remember to be precise, it was quite awhile ago!
Yeah, SUs were great to work with. Strombergs were awful, especially when setting the CO emissions. You'd have an allen key down the centre and any extra movement would change the settings or stall the car. Pain in the prettythang! The Austin Healey I worked on (US spec) had these carbs too and the diaphragms had rotted! Another pain!
Cortina 2000E... now that was a nice car! :)
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Wish that was 10 years ago...20 Minutes from Bronte Park,coulda showed off my MG Midget..:)
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Originally posted by crowMAW
Detuned is too kind...castrated is more like it.:)
We got 109hp...everyone else got 150hp.
And of course it had reliability problems...Lucas made the injection! :rofl
ROFL Crow! I knew there was a reason I favoured German cars and K-Jetronic.
Only 109bhp for the TR6? Hold on a sec... hp or bhp? The measurements here are done in bhp, and yes, 150bhp was the TR6 engine's rating. In the saloon car, I think it was less. But from 1974 (OPEC oil crisis) the TR6 got 125bhp in UK tune. The real castration came with the next model - the TR7. It had the four cylinder engine, 1.8 litres - as used in the Triumph Dolomite. Talk about lame duck.
Some pics from this year's Reading & Wokingham show
Here are those Stags
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Flyingaround - I think this was a Bristol
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These next two are Vauxhalls (later bought by GM) from the 1950s. Back then, they liked to make their cars look American. How did they succeed? You be the judge.
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Oil leaks? I'll give you oil leaks - LOL - This is a P4 Rover 105R. I had never heard of this variant until this month when I took the picture. My father had had a couple like this - a Rover 90 and a Rover 100... and they positively exuded oil on to the garage floor - drove my Mum mad. She made dad put down oil pans filled with sawdust.
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In the 1950s, Ford as well as Vauxhall gave their cars an American flavour. This is a Consul convertible, c1960.
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My favourite car at the show: 1968 Daimler 2.5 V8 - aka "Daimler Jaguar". My father had one of these, and my greatest regret is that I wasn't old enough to drive in the time he had it (1967-1970).
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Were there any Sunbeam Tigers or Alpines?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Only 109bhp for the TR6? Hold on a sec... hp or bhp? The measurements here are done in bhp, and yes, 150bhp was the TR6 engine's rating.
Yup...only 109bhp for the early US spec 6-cyl. After '72 more smog restrictions dropped it to 104bhp. :(
Great pics! Got any more of the Jensen Interceptor next to the 2nd Vauxhall? I love those cars. I almost bought one many years ago, but decided to buy my first new car instead (Miata). I loved the interior on the Interceptor, especially the back seat area.
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Where are all the trailers they came in?
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Not much of a Healey or Trimph fan, but this bucket is a jewel!
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I am looking for those 60s conv jaguars to buy one for my dad's retirement. Something like that (http://i14.ebayimg.com/03/i/02/79/19/a1_12_b.JPG)
ty for those pics, always great to see:D
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Frenchy, that first one a Morgan? I had a go in a later Morgan V8 and it went like a rocket! Crazy!
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I think it's a morgan, but I am far from knowing anything in Brit cars. Maybe a 50 something, or the 68 repro? Morgans always have the "roman cathedral entrance door" grill shape.
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TR6 was my dream car in high school. Loved the looks and the sound of those things. German sports cars may be faster and handle better, but dangit, they sound like crap!
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Yeah, that is a Morgan...has a wood frame, so gotta watch for termites. Seriously!
The Jag is an XK-150DHC (drop head coupe). I restored a '58 XK-150FHC (fixed head coupe...not a convertable...you Brits come up with some wierd names for things) for my dad back in the '80s. He kept it for a few years and then got a hell of an offer for it from a guy in the Netherlands who shipped over.
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Sorry, no pics of the Jensen or any Sunbeam Alpines.
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Originally posted by Habu
If you ever want to go for a flight let me know. I keep the plane at Buttonville in the summer but own a hanger at Collingwood where I will keep in in the winter. I am tied up for the next few weeks but after that I have some free weekends.
I love to go to all the fly in's in the summer where you fly to Haliburton or Hanover or where ever and grab a hotdog and look at all the other planes for a bit then take off and head back.
Do you fly?
Hey Habu, i was kidding around as well. :D
Yeah sounds like fun i'll bring my camera gear, but hey i thought you lived in Ottawa?
I was hoping to drop brown paper bags filled with dog pooh on Hull, damn.:(
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Hey Beet1e any of these look familiar? ;)
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Bugatti parked outside.:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Torque - the red one is definitely a Triumph - note the badge above the radiatior grille, which bears a world map. I think it's a Triumph Renown (aka "Razor Edge" because of its sharp lines) although I never knew it was made as a convertible. (I bet Nexx never worked on one!) Here's a pic of one I took at that R&W show on Sept. 5.
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The black police car is a Ford Consul from the early 1960s, similar to the one I posted further up.
I don't recognise the other two - Buggatti you say?
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The first pic is of a 1926 Austin, the second is a 1949 truimph Roadster. The Bugatti well it was in the parking lot, now that's funny.:rofl
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Torque
The fly in season is over for this year but next spring if you want to fly to one send me your email and I will contact you.
They start in late May and there is pretty much one a weekend right up until September.
Nice to go and see the planes and take some pictures. The problem for me is that I went to so many this year I know all the planes now. Not an endless supply of new and interesting planes in the area.
Collingwood is a good one to go to as they try to get old and classic planes in.
You can send me your email to NSartgarden@on.aibn.com
BTW how much do you weigh?