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Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: BALSUR on September 20, 2004, 02:17:40 AM

Since I moved to Germany I've been looking deeply into German flak vehicles. I have found that actual flak guns on panzer frames where very few. Most widely used vehicle was the truck and the heavy half tracks usually referred to as flak wagons. The Germans hardly ever outfitted one of these with a single gun except when they were using 57mm cannon. Mostly tri and quad 20 and 37 mm mounts where used. Since HTC keeps adding differant variations of fighters how about upgrading our flak vehicles with one of these flak wagons. Honestly, throwing another medium tank into the mix isn't going to change tank warfare that much. I guarantee these flak wagons will change how pilots jabo fields. Anyway, just a suggestion.
 
I'll post a picture of the flak wagon I found in Sinshiem, Germany.
Gotta find the picture first though.

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: Cooley on September 20, 2004, 02:57:13 AM

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/147_1095666507_4+barrel+flak+wagon.jpg)

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: MOIL on September 20, 2004, 04:11:35 AM

Where's Arlo when ya need him!!!!

Good luck with the flak veh idea
:lol

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: frank3 on September 20, 2004, 05:35:23 AM

I like the idea though. We need some other kinds of flaktanks, because the M-16 can't stand bullets very well, and the Ostwind is slow and has a lousy aim.

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: Ghosth on September 20, 2004, 08:46:19 AM

Ostwinds problem is dispersion.

I would like to see the 4 x 20mm modeled.

Now THAT should put a crimp in someones day.

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: GRUNHERZ on September 20, 2004, 11:01:43 AM

Yea a quad 20mm on a halftrack chasis would be very nice..  And that 20mm aint no MG151 its a much more powerful 20mm.

Of course it also be fine if HTC saved some time and gave us a wirbelwind with those 4 20mm on a Panzer IV cahssis in a turret like the ostwind..

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: Arlo on September 20, 2004, 03:43:23 PM

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Originally posted by MOIL
Where's Arlo when ya need him!!!!

Good luck with the flak veh idea
:lol

I tol'ya they wuz aaa truckdrivers, man.

Yay, Shermie, baybee!

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: MOIL on September 20, 2004, 10:06:29 PM

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Originally posted by Arlo
I tol'ya they wuz aaa truckdrivers, man.

Yay, Shermie, baybee!

Just be sure to let these guys know that it is a silly notion to program, model and otherwise develop these types of ground vehicles for AH2.
We need to concentrate on the main focus and goal, which is, to have as many planes of all types represented in the arena.

Carry on

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: BALSUR on September 21, 2004, 01:06:54 PM

why is it silly?

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: MOIL on September 21, 2004, 11:31:33 PM

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Originally posted by BALSUR
why is it silly?

Just ask Arlo and his fellow flight buddies,  they'll set ya straight.

Carry on

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: Arlo on September 22, 2004, 01:00:57 AM

We need more motorboats, dammit! :D

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: MOIL on September 22, 2004, 04:11:14 AM

And life rafts!

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: Flyboy on September 22, 2004, 06:47:44 AM

and sheeps!

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: glenmorangie on September 24, 2004, 12:57:52 PM

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Originally posted by Ghosth
Ostwinds problem is dispersion.

I would like to see the 4 x 20mm modeled.

Now THAT should put a crimp in someones day.

I can't hit anything with the darn thing, but every time I see one from an air-e-o-plane, I get swatted down like a slow butterfly...

Please, please, *please* don't give them sheep-shankers 4 of them dang guns! :)

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: MOIL on September 24, 2004, 11:34:04 PM

glen,

Those are two different GV's, one is the Ostwind which is armed with a single 37mm flak gun and the other is {just happens to be my favorite} the Wirbelwind which is armed with four 20mm cannons.
Both were used for base defense against enemy aircraft and protecting Panzer divisions in the field.

OSTWIND {Eastwind}
(http://www.interet-general.info/IMG/flakpanzer4ostwind.jpg)

WIRBELWIND (Whirlwind}
(http://www.jagdtiger.de/GermanTanks/Wirbelwind-02.jpg)

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: glenmorangie on September 26, 2004, 07:02:37 AM

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Originally posted by MOIL
glen,

Those are two different GV's, one is the Ostwind which is armed with a single 37mm flak gun and the other is {just happens to be my favorite} the Wirbelwind which is armed with four 20mm cannons.
Both were used for base defense against enemy aircraft and protecting Panzer divisions in the field.
 

Wasn't there a mobile twin 8,8 cm on a PzKw VI chassis, too?

Title: Flaks, Flaks, Flaks, Flaks.
Post by: airbumba on September 28, 2004, 01:32:41 AM

Flaks

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/459_1096352727_flak12.jpg)


(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/459_1096352790_flak16.jpg)

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/459_1096352727_flak12.jpg)

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/459_1096352522_flak15.jpg)

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/459_1096352484_flak09.jpg)

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/459_1096352417_flak06.jpg)

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/459_1096352365_flak02.jpg)

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/459_1096352333_flak05.jpg)

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: Arlo on September 28, 2004, 02:43:17 AM

Flax

(http://www.farmersmarketonline.com/dakotagoldenflax.jpg)

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: MOIL on September 28, 2004, 03:51:29 AM

Nice pic's bumba

Title: More Flak units
Post by: Bunyip on September 28, 2004, 05:58:46 AM

Bring on the wirbelwind!!

Title: German flak vehicles
Post by: airbumba on September 28, 2004, 07:33:29 AM

Quote

Originally posted by MOIL
Nice pic's bumba

I knew you'd like that Moil, .

Title: Re: More Flak units
Post by: MOIL on September 28, 2004, 11:34:17 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Bunyip
Bring on the wirbelwind!!

Arlo,
would you please have a talk with this ladd

Title: Re: Re: More Flak units
Post by: Arlo on September 29, 2004, 12:41:58 AM

Quote

Originally posted by MOIL
Arlo,
would you please have a talk with this ladd

No. But I will take him on a tour of the flax facility and leave out that it's really solient green.

I predict that, in time, there will be all sorts of additions. Maybe not the additions everyone wants ... but enough to distract. :D