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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on September 20, 2004, 10:59:47 AM
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"Courageous Legacy" of U.S. Draft Dodgers?
A group of residents in Nelson, British Columbia, has announced plans to build a big, bronze monument in their hometown honoring the, "courageous legacy" of U.S. draft-dodgers who fled to Canada during the Vietnam War and the current war in Iraq.
They say, "It would be nice to honor [the draft resisters] and all those that actually took a step towards peace." But first, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, the group must find a site and raise money for the project.
Kinda angers me. Honoring these guys is dispicable. I'm not angered about somone who doesnt want to go to war they don't agree w/ but there were other ways.
Heck I don't mind actually that Canada got these guys, it probably deserves them, but honoring them....that's just wrong. They did nothing honorable, they turned and ran.
Any of you that want to say these guys are couragous see Mohamad Ali.....that's courage. That is standing up for what you beleive in.
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*shrugs*
Par for the course.
Personnally, I would'nt mind if Canada Annexed Most of the West Coast and colonized Greenwich Village.
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lols... I think that's hilarious.
Don't read too much into it though... Nelson is way backwoods, population less than 10 thou. I have a hard time believing they were the destination of choice, for some reason, of the draft dodgers.
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Lot's of "hippies" out that way, I would imagine that the ones who are planning to honor the "Courageous Legacy" of U.S. Draft Dodgers are in fact the same U.S. Draft Dodgers. In any event it' not Canada that is honoring them its the residents of a small back woods (hill country) town..
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Originally posted by Ripper29
Lot's of "hippies" out that way, I would imagine that the ones who are planning to honor the "Courageous Legacy" of U.S. Draft Dodgers are in fact the same U.S. Draft Dodgers. In any event it' not Canada that is honoring them its the residents of a small back woods (hill country) town..
True true....well said. I wasn't meaning to make this a bash canada thread so sorry if you thaught that was my intention.
When I saw this on the news it said that the Mayor was planning this event. Good to see some Canadians thinking these are not people of "honor"
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While guys were dying..not by choice of service..but because they were drafted and doing their duty, those cowards left the country..and now Canada wants to honor them? Says alot about that country if you ask me.
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Dodgers of Foreign Wars? Hmm..DFW..
:D
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Originally posted by ASTAC
While guys were dying..not by choice of service..but because they were drafted and doing their duty, those cowards left the country..and now Canada wants to honor them? Says alot about that country if you ask me.
Pay attention:
Canada is not honoring them.
Some dumb-arse backwoods town looking for a little publicity wants to honor them'.
Big difference. It just so happens, this town is in Canada.
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I've got no problem with vietnam-era draft dodgers, but I'm not sure why you'd honor them.
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Damn. I was wondering who would be the first person to make a statue of Bill Clinton.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Damn. I was wondering who would be the first person to make a statue of Bill Clinton.
at least he'll get a statue.
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Monument and festival proposed to honor U.S. draft dodgers
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER STAFF AND NEWS SERVICES
NELSON, B.C. -- Artists and activists in this picturesque lakeside town have announced plans for a bronze monument and festival to honor U.S. draft dodgers who fled to Canada.
"This will mark the courageous legacy of Vietnam War resisters and the Canadians who helped them resettle in this country during that tumultuous era," said Isaac Romano, director of Our Way Home, a celebration set for July 8-9, 2006.
At a news conference last week, Romano said those to be honored range from draft-card burners during the Vietnam War in the 1960s and early '70s to immigrants who have fled from military barracks to escape the current war in Iraq.
Dennis Klein, a sculptor and teacher at Kootenay School of the Arts, and artist Naomi Lewis have been chosen to make a memorial depicting Canadians embracing the hands of American resisters.
"I've met so many draft resisters over the years, and some of them are local peers of mine that are artists and others are a part of the community," Klein said.
"It would be nice to honor them and all those that actually took a step towards peace."
A heritage design adviser, Robert Inwood, is working to find a site and raise money for the monument in Nelson, a town of about 10,000 with a lively arts community at the west end of Kootenay Lake about 410 miles east of Vancouver, B.C., and 150 miles north of Spokane.
As it says above Artists and activists plan on honoring.....Artists and activists - who fricking cares. That's like asking the "Dixie Chicks" for thier political opinion...
:D
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What are the odds! This is the year of "Vietnam all over again!" for sure.
We have statues on the way for those who ran to Canada in order to avoid serving in Vietnam and next week Cheney and Ashcroft will be the first inductees into the Deferment Hall of Shame.
Makes one weep and want to go rent "The Green Berets" to watch John Wayne tell it like it really was!
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The problem is, Westy, "Volunteer" armed forces vs. "Drafted" armed forces...but nice try! Don't get discouraged, drop in another quarter!
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
True true....well said. I wasn't meaning to make this a bash canada thread so sorry if you thaught that was my intention.
How could one ever derive that thought with the title being "Canada Honoring Draft Dodgers"
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"The problem is, Westy, "Volunteer" armed forces vs. "Drafted" armed forces...but nice try! Don't get discouraged, drop in another quarter!"
The subject isn't about "volunteer" vs "drafted" armed forces. It's about draft dodgers, a small town in Canada and honor.
I just wanted to make sure the folks pissing all over the guys who ran to Canada don't forget about the other species of "draft dodger." The type who ironically are standing at the helm of the current US adminstration and for whom most in this topic are sycophantic rabid supporters of.
WTG for the head-on try. At least be in the in the same grid as your target next time.
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I don't think westy got it rip.
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Originally posted by Westy
Makes one weep and want to go rent "The Green Berets" to watch John Wayne tell it like it really was!
I've only seen a few minutes of it but that movie strikes me as being very odd. John Wayne just doesnt seem relevant in the context of Vietnam.. So whats your point?
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Sorry corky. You and Ripsnort don't "get it." The article, the topic and the discussion is about a group in Canada who want to honor draft dodgers.
"(re: John Wayne) So whats your point?"
It's a sarcastic nod to the ****ed up pov (regarding the truth) that some had then and which some have today still.
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Off topic....Grun, check your email
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Originally posted by ASTAC
While guys were dying..not by choice of service..but because they were drafted and doing their duty, those cowards left the country..and now Canada wants to honor them? Says alot about that country if you ask me.
Get a grip ASTAC--that particular Town's main source of income is
grown in thier basement.
Doesn't reflect anything on Canada as a country.
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the other species of "draft dodger." The type who ironically are standing at the helm of the current US adminstration and for whom most in this topic are sycophantic rabid supporters of.
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Its weird isnt it. On the one hand we have this overtly stiff unattractive unimaginitive dork of a ultra liberal anti military pro european flip-flopping filthy stinking rich married to a pit bull without a heart senator from TedKennedy Land trying to be president and on the other hand we have the President of the United States.
go figure......
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Off topic....Grun, check your email
:rofl :rofl
Just say no!
(http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/1/18/Nancy_Reagan.jpg)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I've only seen a few minutes of it but that movie strikes me as being very odd. John Wayne just doesnt seem relevant in the context of Vietnam.. So whats your point?
Not only John Wayne is not relevant but his screen play in this film is far from average ...
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My grandfather who served in WW2 had a cottage up in Canada, and him and the faimly would go up there every summer. Well my uncle has told me stories about when driving they would see Draft Dodgers walking along the roads up there hitch hiking. My uncle said it took all my grandfather had not to run them over, but there was quite a bit of yelling.
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I respect the men that stayed around and complied with the draft. I also respect the men that left their country, their homes and their families to avoid it. Both choices had some element of risk. I'm not one to judge.
I can imagine that a kid of eighteen to twenty years old looked around and watched his friends go. Some never return and some return but they're not the same anymore. I imagine that these kids felt a lot of pressure trapped between conformity and survival.
In the end, you make a decision, hope that it's the right one and then try to live with it.
On the other hand... if I were twenty years older and you were one of those affluent types that didn't find yourself caught in this dilemma because daddy was going to buy your way out... my emotions would drift between envy and contempt.
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All you glory hounds need to post your re-up papers.. (when i see 60 year olds getting involuntary reupped then your not too old to serve..) If not STFU... If your currently in service, post your request for transfer to the war zone and I'll be satisfied that you derserve to post this garbage...
OPforing at Fort Irwin... and protecting america from the coyote garrison overlords doesn't impress..
;)
DoctorYo
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
All you glory hounds need to post your re-up papers.. (when i see 60 year olds getting involuntary reupped then your not too old to serve..) If not STFU... If your currently in service, post your request for transfer to the war zone and I'll be satisfied that you derserve to post this garbage...
OPforing at Fort Irwin... and protecting america from the coyote garrison overlords doesn't impress..
;)
DoctorYo
Hang on, I'll post my contract shortly,
I'll have it faxed to you from the Abilene Kinko's.
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Okay so maybe we can'y blame canada...still anyone who thinks blatant draft dodgers should be honored should be shot...
And DrYO...I was in the war zone before and after the war started...I cannot go back..my rate is overmanned and there are no billets for my job over there due to the large numbers of those who have volunteered to go. I am on the waiting list. I also serve on the Anti-terrorism Force protection team at my base protecting my shipmates. So there ! I have the right..but so does everybody..First amendment right?
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Okay so maybe we can'y blame canada...still anyone who thinks blatant draft dodgers should be honored should be shot...
And DrYO...I was in the war zone before and after the war started...I cannot go back..my rate is overmanned and there are no billets for my job over there due to the large numbers of those who have volunteered to go. I am on the waiting list. I also serve on the Anti-terrorism Force protection team at my base protecting my shipmates. So there ! I have the right..but so does everybody..First amendment right?
Hmmm.. this post is rather inconsistent. still anyone who thinks blatant draft dodgers should be honored should be shot and have the right..but so does everybody..First amendment right?
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Originally posted by Torque
How could one ever derive that thought with the title being "Canada Honoring Draft Dodgers"
well excuse me for being re-enlightend to a diff. pov after the post. I said I was sorry....
All you glory hounds need to post your re-up papers.. (when i see 60 year olds getting involuntary reupped then your not too old to serve..) If not STFU... If your currently in service, post your request for transfer to the war zone and I'll be satisfied that you derserve to post this garbage...
And you have what credentials? I was involuntarily recalled for enduring freedom AND re-enlisted after it. You don't have to serve in the military to recoginize somone who doesnt deserved to be honored.
As far as these people running to Canada to avoid the draft....they are not couragous they are cowards. Ali went to his draft apointment and said "no sir"...result...he went to jail. Imagine if every draft dodger went to jail instead of going. The prisons would be over crowded as the court systems would be as well. I bet the war would have ended that much sooner AND you would be standing up for your convictions.
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First Amendment on my terms:D
Saying they should be shot is a METAPHOR for how I feel about them. I forgot that you idiots have to have everything spelled out because sarcasm, similies, and metaphores are wasted on you guys. Forgot that this is the "Take everything literally" BBS.
The second part was basically telling DoctorYO to **** off since according to his terms I have earned the right to post this "garbage" as he puts it. But also everybody else can reghardless of experience since this is an American run BBS therefore covered under the 1st amendment. As long as you follow the owner's guidlines.
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Maybe Clinton will be the keynote speaker?
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Originally posted by ASTAC
First Amendment on my terms:D
LOL...
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My exact statement:
I'll be satisfied that you derserve to post this garbage...
what part of "Ill be satisfied" and the so called infringement on your first admendment rights has to do with me .. its all in your head..
What do you care if i approve or don't approve.. OH wee the Psuedo name DoctorYo agrees or not with me.. for someone so battle hardened you get pretty riled up by in-animate text..
My problem with the whole Iraq war is a simple one.. the leadership is fubar..
anyone who operates 180 iraqi's to 1 gi has my vote of no confidence when SOP is more along the line of 30 to 1 for occupation...
But the dummies thought they could do it on the cheap..(if they did their history especially around 1917 they would know what their up against..) and now our men and women suffer.. (Iraqi's suffer too..)
This situation is not all unlike the Vietnam Conflict.. The leadership then was fubar also.. (we fought with the gloves on.. and thats a no no if your fighting for keeps which is what war is about in the first place..the losers usually die..)
As far as draft dodgers look at our current and past administrations..(Both Bush and Clinton the highest levels of office set the standards take a good look crap rolls downhill not uphill) they dodged and flaunt it to boot.. go direct your regret and anger torwards them.. instead of posting this heresay..
most dodgers that hit canada saw the fubar leadership for what is was worth and ditched out.. (rather be alive than cannon fodder most likely was their thinking..) (check the stats; there was a good posibility if you went to nam you may not comeback.. especially as a conscript infantry.... the casulty rates are mindboggling when compared to either gulf war..)
This article you posted doesn't have any dodgers on the record saying anything.. so my opinion is to give it a rest..
Now if they were talking smack then by all means if your served in the vietnam conflict blast away..
DoctorYo
PS: stop putting words in my mouth.. The yap disease on these boards is spreading this "he said she said BS" when the facts/reality are often overlooked..
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Ahhh I see it so clearly now....first we have to serve...than we have to serve in war....than we have to serve in nam....than we can speak out against cowardice.....nice logic.
Check some stats.....ok:
DRAFTEES AND VOLUNTEERS
* 25% of the total forces in country were draftees 648,500 as opposed to 66% of the ones in WWII.
* Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.
* Reservists killed: 5,977.
* National Guard: 6,140 served; 101 died.
* Total draftees (1965-73): 1,728,344.
* Actually served in Vietnam: 38%.
* Marine Corps draft: 42,633.
* Last man drafted: June 30, 1973
So only 25% of the total force were draftees and of those only 17,725 combat deaths....
You don't have to serve or even be alive at the time to know that running to canada was not at all heroic.
Saying no in the draft line wasn't all that better either but at least you standing up for your beliefs and convictions instead of running from them.
The whole point of the thread....wich flew right by you.....is that these cowards do not deserve a memorial to honor them.
I never put ANY words in your mouth......I couldn't care less if you are "satisfied" or not.....I don't need somones approval to post something I believe in weather you think it is garbage or not.
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So, unless you choose prison or forced military service - either way giving up your own personal freedoms, you're a coward? That makes sense.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
So only 25% of the total force were draftees and of those only 17,725 combat deaths....
You should not mix number and percent , it has no sense.
Your sentence would be better this way :
Now ,the interpretation is up to you.
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The whole point of the thread....wich flew right by you.....is that these cowards do not deserve a memorial to honor them.
I didn't miss the point was just making a statement of reason when you stereotyped the whole nation Canada with the following:
Heck I don't mind actually that Canada got these guys, it probably deserves them, but honoring them....that's just wrong. They did nothing honorable, they turned and ran.
nowhere in the article does Canada officially honor anyone.. Some jackarses want some publicity but other than that no official endorsement..
And note i have to agree with SOB you had the choice of war (possible death) or jail (also possible death rape and whatever else) so IMO if you could handle the ole Honor/Cowards griping bit ducking to canada is a no brainer..
So dont get all huffy puffy.. believe it or not I agree that having a memorial for dodgers is tastless.. but tasteless and cowardice are two different things.. and the nation of Canada does not endorse the heresay that was posted earlier..
Not all things in this world are black and white.. More along the line of shades of GREY.......
2 Canada Dollars..
DoctorYO
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Well, KD Lang's tribute was burned down 3 times here in ALberta, just because she was gay..(and ugly, and can't sing..the list goes on).
Suffice it to say that if a memorial to draft dodgers is constructed here, there is enough people around that feel strongly enough about it that it'll likely get detonated....haha.
And ASTAC...
and now Canada wants to honor them? Says alot about that country if you ask me.
That's pretty incosiderate. Looks like you're in the Air Force...I could retaliate saying that says a lot about you, and your service...what with the dropping of bombs on 20 or so of my good friends in Afghanistan a few miles from a friendly base, and killing one very good friend....and that would make as much sense as what you said. I hold the USAF in very high regard, but I use that as an example of how having somebody bash you and yours without just cause hurts a bit, doesn't it?
Please don't lump all of us in with the liberal retards, particularly those on drugs (most of the interior of BC, the area in question.)
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
I didn't miss the point was just making a statement of reason when you stereotyped the whole nation Canada with the following:
nowhere in the article does Canada officially honor anyone.. Some jackarses want some publicity but other than that no official endorsement..
And note i have to agree with SOB you had the choice of war (possible death) or jail (also possible death rape and whatever else) so IMO if you could handle the ole Honor/Cowards griping bit ducking to canada is a no brainer..
So dont get all huffy puffy.. believe it or not I agree that having a memorial for dodgers is tastless.. but tasteless and cowardice are two different things.. and the nation of Canada does not endorse the heresay that was posted earlier..
Not all things in this world are black and white.. More along the line of shades of GREY.......
2 Canada Dollars..
DoctorYO
SO I take it you did not read the entire thread????
maybe you would have read this:
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Originally posted by Ripper29
Lot's of "hippies" out that way, I would imagine that the ones who are planning to honor the "Courageous Legacy" of U.S. Draft Dodgers are in fact the same U.S. Draft Dodgers. In any event it' not Canada that is honoring them its the residents of a small back woods (hill country) town..
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True true....well said. I wasn't meaning to make this a bash canada thread so sorry if you thaught that was my intention.
When I saw this on the news it said that the Mayor was planning this event. Good to see some Canadians thinking these are not people of "honor"
anything else?
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Trust me... folks in this Nelson BC would be going batchit over even the little attention this is recieving on some obscure BBS.
You give them too much consideration methinks.
This doesn't represent Canada. It doesn't represent BC. And I'd be hella suprised to find that this represents the majority of the small town of Nelson.
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Originally posted by Nash
And I'd be hella suprised to find that this represents the majority of the small town of Nelson.
You seem to be familiar with the place, so can you tell us what the overall vibe of the town is?
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The "vibe" of Nelson is much like the "vibe" of the small towns I've played shows in all ovah the US.
They not only try to dance to yer stuff, they take their shoes off before dancing. And they're high as kites. I thought drugs were bad in cities. The small towns are a disaster.
It's kinda no wonder that Rip is as twisted as he is if his paper tries to make the doings of Nelson BC (guffaw) into something important.
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So..they wanna dance, jam, grow potted plants and generally be left out of the news. By your first post I had mistook your meaning to be that they were something akin to Southpark and wouldn't be generally supportive of the message itself.
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Well I don't know about South Park.
But yeah, they wanna jam and smoke weed.
I'm not even sure that the majority of the citizens (we're talking four thousand people) wanted this huge Seatle News bruhahaha.
Prolly the "artisans" thought it'd be nifty to honour themselves... I don't freaking know.
Are we not devoting way too much time to this?
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Originally posted by Gman
...what with the dropping of bombs on 20 or so of my good friends in Afghanistan a few miles from a friendly base, and killing one very good friend....
Yeah, and two days later the fans at Detroit booed the Canadian Anthem not once but twice.
Wassup with dat?
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Originally posted by Torque
Yeah, and two days later the fans at Detroit booed the Canadian Anthem not once but twice.
Wassup with dat?
"*shrugs*
Par for the course." - Muckmaw
Wow... that was easy! :D
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Originally posted by Nash
Are we not devoting way too much time to this?
As a matter of fact, yes. :lol
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since I love a good fight with my friendly neighborhood American, I shall choose to refrain myself or this wittle thread gets locked:D
Sometimes its better to run then fight the impossible fight.....
Its a fine line between Dumbprettythang and Hero, the only one to survive is usually called the Hero....
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Originally posted by SLO
Sometimes its better to run then fight the impossible fight.....
Its a fine line between Dumbprettythang and Hero, the only one to survive is usually called the Hero....
Here ya go. :D (http://www.stmoroky.com/sirrobin/fleeing@.au)
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so you would go fight KNOWING your hands are tied behind your back....
shows how brilliant you are.
what you perseve as cowardice or running is sometimes called having a semblance of a neuron, or if you prefer, actually using your brains and letting yourself decide, not your fuggin Govr'
like I'd go fight for such morons, not in this lifetime or any other
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Hang on, I'll post my contract shortly,
I'll have it faxed to you from the Abilene Kinko's.
lmfao..MUCK!!!...will you make soem for me too..I want to be a Green Beret....err I mean will you "fax" my papers too
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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It's called thinking beyond your personal wants and needs, SLO. Alot of people do it, alot of people don't. It's no big deal, and neither course of action is indicative of "brilliance".
As for making up one's own mind about whether or not to "answer the call", I'm all for that too. Do it or don't. Actively and resolutely make a decision one way or the other and I will respect either. I will not, however, respect the decision to go slinking away from the responsibility and consequences of your actions. Spinelessly sneaking away from duty and obligation is a choice only a COWARD would make. If you're going to do it, at least have the stones to look the government (and everyone else who cares enough to attend to difficult civic responsibility) in the eye and say "NO".
SLO, who WOULD you go fight for? Would there...could there be a cause noble enough to warrant the possible depravation of the world (not to mention the AH BBS) of the greatness of SLO? ;)
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Now I don't want to hijack this (too much) or start a flame fest but I have a question for all you Southerners (remember your all southerners to me)...the question is...
Do you think, assuming the war in Iraq continues in the manner it is currently going, the US Government will revive the Draft ?
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why should you live in your country when you dont defend it nor serve it
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Originally posted by simshell
why should you live in your country when you dont defend it nor serve it
majority of people are born there, they dont have a choice. and everyone who pays taxes and vote serves their country.
hell the entire reason why anyone has ever defended their country, was so that their descendants WOULD NOT have to.
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Originally posted by SLO
so you would go fight KNOWING your hands are tied behind your back....
shows how brilliant you are.
what you perseve as cowardice or running is sometimes called having a semblance of a neuron, or if you prefer, actually using your brains and letting yourself decide, not your fuggin Govr'
like I'd go fight for such morons, not in this lifetime or any other
SLO,
My whole premise on the "run to canada draft dodger thing" is real simple:
If you did not want to fight there were other means available to you other than fleeing your homeland.
You could apply for deferment if you could afford to go to college
You could claim to be a conciensous objector
You could claim some sort of disablity
OR
You could go to jail (may be a few more but those are the main ones)
There are alof of those in the military that went to nam but think it was the wrong war. I've read a book by one vet who thinks if alot of the draft dodgers went to jail vrs. fleeing the court system back ups alone would have put this country into turmoil thus ending the war that much sooner.
I hold alot of respect for Mohamad Ali. He was a boxer in the prime of his life and his draft number came up. At the time he did not feel like this was his war to fight so instead of running, he went to jail.
Think about it....a champion contender giving up his carreer and freedom for what he believs in and going to jail for more than a few years. That to me is WAY MORE heroic than those that fled to Canada by far.
AND AGAIN.....I'm SORRY THIS THREAD STARTED OUT SOUNDING LIKE ANY OTHER BASH CANADA THREADS....I REALIZE THIS IS ABOUT ONE TOWN AND NOT AN ENTIRE NATION.
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Originally posted by Ripper29
Do you think, assuming the war in Iraq continues in the manner it is currently going, the US Government will revive the Draft ?
Short answer: no. The long answer would be..well..long. :)
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Originally posted by VOR
It's called thinking beyond your personal wants and needs, SLO. Alot of people do it, alot of people don't. It's no big deal, and neither course of action is indicative of "brilliance".
As for making up one's own mind about whether or not to "answer the call", I'm all for that too. Do it or don't. Actively and resolutely make a decision one way or the other and I will respect either. I will not, however, respect the decision to go slinking away from the responsibility and consequences of your actions. Spinelessly sneaking away from duty and obligation is a choice only a COWARD would make. If you're going to do it, at least have the stones to look the government (and everyone else who cares enough to attend to difficult civic responsibility) in the eye and say "NO".
SLO, who WOULD you go fight for? Would there...could there be a cause noble enough to warrant the possible depravation of the world (not to mention the AH BBS) of the greatness of SLO? ;)
well written VOR, BUT, since I live in a demo country, I can actually choose to serve or not....
lemme give you a different perception
I went to the Recrutment Office here in Montreal the same day my 2 brothers went to join, they wanted to join NOT TO SERVE(all that honorable stuff) but to find a job and learn some cool new stuff, thats when I hesitated, I wouldn't join an army just to work, but in a time of crisis I'll be 1st in line.....
I bet you 20 bucks(that would be 40 bucks can.) that most people join to get jobs(not all that honorable stuff)
so spare me your quote "SLO, who WOULD you go fight for? Would there...could there be a cause noble enough to warrant the possible depravation of the world (not to mention the AH BBS) of the greatness of SLO?
even though in jest, this Golly-geen board would be very boring WITHOUT my brilliance:rofl
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Originally posted by VOR
It's called thinking beyond your personal wants and needs, SLO. Alot of people do it, alot of people don't. It's no big deal, and neither course of action is indicative of "brilliance".
As for making up one's own mind about whether or not to "answer the call", I'm all for that too. Do it or don't. Actively and resolutely make a decision one way or the other and I will respect either. I will not, however, respect the decision to go slinking away from the responsibility and consequences of your actions. Spinelessly sneaking away from duty and obligation is a choice only a COWARD would make. If you're going to do it, at least have the stones to look the government (and everyone else who cares enough to attend to difficult civic responsibility) in the eye and say "NO".
SLO, who WOULD you go fight for? Would there...could there be a cause noble enough to warrant the possible depravation of the world (not to mention the AH BBS) of the greatness of SLO? ;)
Some of these people considered the war to be a violation of trust by the government. If you no longer trust your government to do the "right thing" does it really make sense to turn yourself over to them?
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Says alot about that country if you ask me.
says more about yours! :lol
btw: learn to spell will ya! geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eez, what's wrong with you lot anyway? didn't any of you go to school anywhere?
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Originally posted by Sandman
If you no longer trust your government to do the "right thing" does it really make sense to turn yourself over to them?
This argument can go a long way in either direction. Would it also apply to the Branch Davidians in Waco for example?
While I'm no fan of the sheep following the shepherd mentality and would be perfectly thrilled to wake up to the day that all Americans did their own form of fact-finding and questioning their leadership, I think that your argument would be more in its place in a country like the People's Republic of China or the former Iraq. Aside from that one caveat, yes: it's perfectly reasonable and logical.