Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SOB on September 22, 2004, 01:24:31 AM
-
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/09/22/plane.diverted.stevens/
Cat Stevens diverts plane
From Homeland Security Correspondent Jeanne Meserve
Wednesday, September 22, 2004 Posted: 0507 GMT (1307 HKT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Singer Yusuf Islam, formerly known as Cat Stevens, was taken off a diverted United Air Lines flight from London to Washington after his Muslim name turned up on a "watch list" designed to keep terrorists from boarding flights, a Transportation Security Administration spokesman has said.
The 56-year-old Islam took that name when he became a Muslim in the 1970s.
An FBI spokeswoman told CNN the singer's name was only matched to the watch list after the plane had departed.
Islam, a British citizen, was being held in Bangor, Maine after Flight 919 was ordered to land there Tuesday afternoon.
He will be deported back to London on Wednesday, according to the TSA.
A government official said Islam was on the watch list because of "known associations and financial support to organizations believed to be aiding terrorism."
According to U.S. officials, he is an active supporter of Muslim charities.
One administration official said the singer had been in the United States as recently as May, and was a recent addition to the list.
The rest of the passengers were screened and continued on to Washington's Dulles International Airport after Islam was taken off the flight.
"They said, Get ready to land,' and then they said 'Welcome to Bangor.' And we though they were joking," one woman passenger said.
"We had no idea we'd been diverted."
The Boeing 747 had about 280 passengers and crew on board when it took off from London's Heathrow Airport, United Air Lines spokesman Jeff Green said.
The plane was met by federal agents on arrival in Bangor, where it was on the ground for about four hours before being allowed to depart, Green said.
It landed at Dulles nearly six hours behind schedule.
According to a TSA spokesman, Islam made it through pre-screening by United Air Lines and was given a boarding pass.
But after the flight took off, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency discovered his name was on a watch list.
The TSA was notified and requested that the plane be diverted to the nearest airport.
As Cat Stevens, Islam had a string of folk-rock hits in the 1960s and early 1970s, including "Peace Train," "Morning has Broken" and "Wild World."
He dropped out of the music business for more than a decade after converting to Islam, but returned to the recording studio periodically during the 1990s.
-
Originally posted by SOB
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/09/22/plane.diverted.stevens/
According to U.S. officials, he is an active supporter of Muslim charities.
Um... isn't this one of the religious requirements? Hell... with criteria like this, we could just jail all of them.
-
Originally posted by Sandman
... with criteria like this, we could just jail all of them.
"Jail 'em all and let Ashcroft sort it out"
Wait... that's not how the saying goes.... is it?
-
Yusuf Islam has pretty clear ties to extremism, especially with the Taliban, he even made religius chants as fundraisers them and contributed to charities that fron for terror groups.
Too bad he turned out this way, I like his old hippy songs.
-
No sympathy for that guy from me.
He pledged a good chunk of money for the killing of Rushdie.
What a Tard he ended up becoming.
-
almost forgot...
SOB:
;)
-
oo baby, baby it's a wild world.........
sorry, couldn't resist.
-
I'm glad he didn't get to stay here, except for long enough to get on a plane back were he came from. It's a wild world indeed. It's guys like him that give the 60s and 70s a bad name.
Les
-
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yusuf Islam has pretty clear ties to extremism, especially with the Taliban, he even made religius chants as fundraisers them and contributed to charities that fron for terror groups.
Too bad he turned out this way, I like his old hippy songs.
Grun I was wondering about his affiliation with extremism. Just because you write some good songs doesnt make you a good citizen:(
Have you any links ?
-
According to U.S. officials, he is an active supporter of Muslim charities.
Is that the best they can come up with? Giving to charity is a pillar of Islam, a fundamental tenet that all followers must abide by.
I love how the 'Homeland Security' correspondant clearly hasn't applied one iota of critical thought to that article. A 13 year old could have told her the above quote is inane.
However, if he is a supported of extremist organisations advocating violence, he gets little sympathy from me.
-
Why didn't that Boeing land to the Guantanamo?
Just throw him to the concentration camp with other suspects and throw the key away; Why bother to put them on the court :aok
Damn your juridical system rocks! :rofl
-
It becomes even smarter if someone has a same name as someone whos 'suspected' of 'suspicious' activities and therefore put on the no-fly list.
Even more so if theres more people with the same name.... yay!
I don't get it though.. why are people banned from flights, without their knowledge and without any kind of court ruling?
Doesn't sound like freedom to me.. I'd be very damn pissed off I would suddenly find out I'm not allowed to board a plane and nobody has told about it to me, let alone having had a chance to defend myself against this 'punishment'.
No-fly decisions made without any law suits or so, undeclared detainees, torturing of detainees, detainees held for years without charges or chance to meet a lawyer... and so on..
Does anyone understand where this kind of actions are leading to?
Facism.
-
:rolleyes:
-
maybe this admin just doesn't like/get Buddha and the Chocolate Box :)
Shame, I like his old music and respect his freedom of religion but trust this admin for their decision to turn his plane around
-
I forget which group he made large donations to, but he did make several large and very public donations to a group that has very close ties to terrorism. I read about it several months back, long before he was denied entry this week.
The U.S. is PROSECUTING people who make donations to known terrorist supporters, so simply sending him away seems charitable, they did not detain him and send him to prison.
-
Originally posted by Fishu
It becomes even smarter if someone has a same name as someone whos 'suspected' of 'suspicious' activities and therefore put on the no-fly list.
Even more so if theres more people with the same name.... yay!
I don't get it though.. why are people banned from flights, without their knowledge and without any kind of court ruling?
Doesn't sound like freedom to me.. I'd be very damn pissed off I would suddenly find out I'm not allowed to board a plane and nobody has told about it to me, let alone having had a chance to defend myself against this 'punishment'.
No-fly decisions made without any law suits or so, undeclared detainees, torturing of detainees, detainees held for years without charges or chance to meet a lawyer... and so on..
Does anyone understand where this kind of actions are leading to?
Facism.
He wasn't told he could not fly, he was told he could not enter the United States. Every nation has the right to control their borders.
By the way, the word is not spelled Facism . If you are going to make stupid baseless accusations, at least learn to spell the word correctly.:rolleyes:
-
Originally posted by Eagler
but trust this admin for their decision to turn his plane around
But but....the people on the internet MUST know more than the government, right?
There could not have been any good cause here...right?
I mean, all this homeland security stuff is just a silly political move!
Terrorists don't represent a threat to the US.
That's just Rediscjulus!!!
-
Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
He wasn't told he could not fly, he was told he could not enter the United States. Every nation has the right to control their borders.
By the way, the word is not spelled Facism . If you are going to make stupid baseless accusations, at least learn to spell the word correctly.:rolleyes:
Nuh huh.. excuse me for speaking english at all.
Besides what does borders have to do with it, when even americans are on the list?
In my opinion it violates their right and freedom, since there are innocent people on the list - like people with same name as some 'suspect'
Alot of people are on the no-fly list solely because of being 'suspected' and without their knowledge.
Would be nice to suddenly find out at the airport you're on the list.. wouldn't it? It could happen.
-
The plane was being followed by a moon shadow, moon shadow moon shadow. It was leaping and hopping on a moon shadow. Moon shadow moon shadow.
-
Cause out on the edge of darkness, there rides a peace plane
Oh peace plane take this country, come take me home again
Oh peace plane sounding louder
Glide on the peace plane
Come on now peace plane
Yes, peace plane holy roller
-
Sorry just ripped this from Lexis-Nexis, seemed on point, discuss:
Government's interest in preventing the entry of unwanted persons and effects is at its zenith at the international border. Time and again, we have stated that "searches made at the border, pursuant to the longstanding right of the sovereign to protect itself by stopping and examining persons and property crossing into this country, are reasonable simply by virtue of the fact that they occur at the border." United States v. Ramsey, 431 U.S. 606, 616, 52 L. Ed. 2d 617, 97 S. Ct. 1972 (1977). HN3 Congress, [***8] since the beginning of our Government, "has granted the Executive plenary authority to conduct routine searches and seizures at the border, without probable cause or a warrant, in order to regulate the collection of duties and to prevent the introduction of contraband into this country." United States v. Montoya de Hernandez, 473 U.S. 531, 537, 87 L. Ed. 2d 381, 105 S. Ct. 3304 (citing Ramsey, supra, at 616-617, 52 L. Ed. 2d 617, 97 S. Ct. 1972 (citing Act of July 31, 1789, ch 5, 1 Stat 29)). The modern statute that authorized the search in this case, 46 Stat 747, 19 U.S.C. § 1581(a)[19 USCS § 1581(a)], n1 derived from a [**317] statute passed [*1586] by the First Congress, the Act of Aug. 4, 1790, ch 35, § 31, 1 Stat 164, see United States v. Villamonte-Marquez, 462 U.S. 579, 584, 77 L. Ed. 2d 22, 103 S. Ct. 2573 (1983), and reflects the "impressive historical pedigree" of the Government's power and interest, id., at 585, 77 L. Ed. 2d 22, 103 S. Ct. 2573. HN4 It is axiomatic that the United States, as sovereign, has the inherent authority to protect, and a paramount interest in protecting, its territorial integrity.
United States v. Flores-Montano, 124 S. Ct. 1582, 1585-1586 (U.S., 2004)
-
oh, my point, searches and seizures at borders do not have to have probable cause, never have, never will under our "juridical system." This same notion has been extened to airport security as well, for plainly obvious reasons. This sort of self-protective measure is not a violation of anybodies "rights."
I would address the ambiguity of the "rights" argument in general (becuase every law violates somebodies rights, e.g. statutes making stealing impermissable violate a thiefs "right" to steal), but that would be seriously off-topic.
-
Jeez! Way to spray the fire retardant chemical all over the burning embers of the Ameri-bashers with facts, Jeezy! ;)
-
Tortured metaphore alert!
-
Originally posted by Nash
No sympathy for that guy from me.
He pledged a good chunk of money for the killing of Rushdie.
What a Tard he ended up becoming.
It's a bit of a stretch from what I've read...
His comments in 1989 concerning Salman Rushdie after the publication of Rushdie's novel The Satanic Verses provoked controversy. During this time period an Islamic fatwa (religious ruling) was issued, holding that it was an obligation of Muslims to kill Salman Rushdie. Yusuf Islam publicly stated that Rushdie was indeed guilty of blasphemy against Islam, and Rushdie deserved to be killed. This led to a public outcry, and a drop in record sales. In response to this criticism, Yusuf Islam has since clarified that he believes that a death sentence can only be carried out by the authority of a court in an Islamic society, and that he is opposed to anyone taking the law into their own hands by murdering Rushdie.
-
Point...Jeezy.
Good post.
-
* the sound of crickets from the other side of the aisle *
-
Point of reference that was an opinion by Reinquist, for a unanimous court (yes even Ginsberg and Stevens agreed with Scalia and Thomas on this one)
-
Originally posted by jEEZY
* the sound of crickets from the other side of the aisle *
(http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/british/images/vc264.jpg)
-
A couple more complete stories, one background story by BBC News, and another on the incident by ABC News.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3679808.stm
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040921_2381.html
He certainly doesn't seem to present himself as a threat. But I suppose without real info on why they barred him from the country it's impossible to know if it's just more overreaction or if there actually was a reason to keep him from entering the country.
As far as his rights are concerned though, please. He's not a US citizen, and denying him entry into the US is hardly fascism.
-
Originally posted by SOB
As far as his rights are concerned though, please. He's not a US citizen, and denying him entry into the US is hardly fascism.
If you are referring to my posts, you should be able to see I'm not even referring to him, but to the no-fly list system as whole.
Wasn't there already some congress member or someone other 'important' person denied a flight, since there happened to be a 'name' on the list?
-
Rip'n'paste scores one for the dittoheads. Why not just change your name to 'ditto' and be done with it?
As for quoting US legislature - you're missing the point. No one was saying it was illegal under US law. The US rightly controls its own borders as it sees fit. I think people are more concerned with the evidence acted upon; I would like to see a list of his donations to terrorist supporting organisations that is ommitted from that piss-poor article. I can't be bothered to google this afternoon, you see.
-
Originally posted by Dowding
Rip'n'paste scores one for the dittoheads. Why not just change your name to 'ditto' and be done with it?
As for quoting US legislature - you're missing the point. No one was saying it was legal under US law. I would like to see a list of his donations to terrorist supporting organisations that is ommitted from that piss-poor article. I can't be bothered to google this afternoon.
Check this out Jeezy, I even get credit for your posts!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
-
I wasn't giving you any credit at all for quoting out of some text-book, but honouring your continued contributions to dittoheadedness.
-
at least this time they didnt deport to syria.
-
Originally posted by Fishu
Doesn't sound like freedom to me.. I'd be very damn pissed off I would suddenly find out I'm not allowed to board a plane and nobody has told about it to me, let alone having had a chance to defend myself against this 'punishment'.
No-fly decisions made without any law suits or so, undeclared detainees, torturing of detainees, detainees held for years without charges or chance to meet a lawyer... and so on..
Does anyone understand where this kind of actions are leading to?
Facism.
We reserve the right to restrict "freedom" to activities that don't include murdering women and children. If you feel we should be more tolerant in this regard I can only say tough ****.
-
As for quoting US legislature - you're missing the point. No one was saying it was illegal under US law. The US rightly controls its own borders as it sees fit. I think people are more concerned with the evidence acted upon; I would like to see a list of his donations to terrorist supporting organisations that is ommitted from that piss-poor article. I can't be bothered to google this afternoon, you see.
I believe that it would come as a great suprise to the Supreme Court of the United States that it was suddenly a branch of the legislature (it's bi-cameral not tri-cameral.) See U.S. Constitution Art. III; and Federalist Paper #47. Also, I doubt you could "google" Supreme Court opinions--if you could Westlaw and Lexis would not be able to charge their obscene rates.
Further, it is plainly obvious that you did not get the point, thus I will reiterate it. At the borders the "government" does not need any evidence to check you at the border:
Any officer of the customs may at any time go on board of any vessel or vehicle at any place in the United States or within the customs waters or, as he may be authorized, within a customs-enforcement area established under the Anti-Smuggling Act, or at any other authorized place, without as well as within his district, and examine the manifest and other documents and papers and examine, inspect, and search the vessel or vehicle and every part thereof and any person, trunk, package, or cargo on board, and to this end may hail and stop such vessel or vehicle, and use all necessary force to compel compliance."
United States v. Flores-Montano, 124 S. Ct. 1582, 1586 (U.S., 2004)
Furthermore, the Executive branch can conduct "searches and seizures at the border, without probable cause or a warrant." Meaning that the lame and rather watered down Fourth Amendment argument (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt) you assert is simply not supported by any evidence or precedent.
In the words of Justice Jackson: "That dog don't hunt."
-
Originally posted by AKIron
We reserve the right to restrict "freedom" to activities that don't include murdering women and children. If you feel we should be more tolerant in this regard I can only say tough ****.
Doesn't this however usually need a court ruling, where also the person accused of wrong activities is present or otherwise aware of his no-fly status?
Also why are you assuming that all people on the no-fly list are PROVEN to be for wrong cause?
At least seems like so.. correct me if I'm assuming wrong.
Without any kind of trial, I find it rather odd that *any* person could be denied flights *without* a reason and without prior *notification*, solely based on someones suspections -- which could be errorneous, let alone the ban including also people who has a same name. (..and theres alot of people with same names)
Just doesn't strike to me as justified in a country praised for freedom and justify.
It'd be nothing if the person in question would be trialed or given a chance to defend himself, before appearing for the flight, just to hear all the sudden hes not allowed to board the plane.
Any one of you barking at us liberal commie euro dogs blaablaablaablaaablaaa sticking nose in yer business blaablaaablaaablaablaaa could be found on the no-fly list and you wouldn't even know about it until appearing for the flight.
Isn't that worrying you guys at all? I find it odd if it doesn't at all.
Of course you are law abiding citizen who wouldn't want to have anything to do with kamikazing in a passenger jet, but the list simply doesn't look into that whether YOU are or not.
There are just names, which are not allowed to board a flight and the names are added there for whatever reason we don't have a slightest idea about.
it is really really odd to me people can find the system justified, especially by people living in USA with long traditions in couple of things..
-
Originally posted by Dowding
Is that the best they can come up with? Giving to charity is a pillar of Islam, a fundamental tenet that all followers must abide by.
Funding terrorism is a pillar of Islam? Are you sure about that? Or did you simply not know that terrorist organizations have charity front-ends to account for their funding?
All I keep hearing about Islam is that it is such a peaceful and honorable religion, not one that advocates the slaughter of inoocents and the beheading of truck drivers. Now Dowding is telling me that all followers MUST contribute to the terrorist organization as part of their religion....hmmm.
-
Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Funding terrorism is a pillar of Islam? Are you sure about that? Or did you simply not know that terrorist organizations have charity front-ends to account for their funding?
All I keep hearing about Islam is that it is such a peaceful and honorable religion, not one that advocates the slaughter of inoocents and the beheading of truck drivers. Now Dowding is telling me that all followers MUST contribute to the terrorist organization as part of their religion....hmmm.
I think he was being sarcastic.
-
Fishu, when all Muslim terrorists (individuals) begin making their intentions public perhaps those charged with defending against terrorism will make these "lists" public.
Since there are many that likely won't reveal their intentions until they blow up a plane or a schoolbus it's probably prudent to keep any intel on their identities or activities secret.
-
Fishu, I realize that the rest of the world has the impression that US law is the most free, etc. and that may be the truth in comparision to the rest of the world. However, our freedoms are not without limitations. For instance, since the airline industry is a regulated industry your rights and privileges to use that industry are limited by regulation. In short, you or even a US citizen does not have an absolute right to fly on an airplane, domestic or international (either concluding or originating in the US).
Are their problems with the "no-fly" list why yes there are. Do they implicate the limitations of the government found in our Constitution, probably not. If, however, the government was keeping lists of people, say for a "no-speech" rule than yes that implicates a limitation on government powers (a simplistic example sorry). This is what is known as prior restraint and has a whole host of limitations on it.
In sum, when you fly on an airplane you do not enjoy as many "rights" as you do otherwise.
-
The best defense is a good offense.
I have been interested in the story of this man because I have enjoyed his music over the years and find it fascinating that he joined the islamic faith.
that being said: As far as Im concerned any muslim on this planet is a suspect of potentiol violance until proven harmless in my estimation and I estimate harshly in matters of self defense.
I wish it was not the status quo but unfortunately is is.
-
Funding terrorism is a pillar of Islam? Are you sure about that? Or did you simply not know that terrorist organizations have charity front-ends to account for their funding?
All I keep hearing about Islam is that it is such a peaceful and honorable religion, not one that advocates the slaughter of inoocents and the beheading of truck drivers. Now Dowding is telling me that all followers MUST contribute to the terrorist organization as part of their religion....hmmm.
You really are as thick as two short planks, aren't you? Talk about putting words into my mouth.
Your reading comprehension skills are as lacking as your straw man arguments.
I never said giving to terrorist organisations is a pillar of Islam. Giving to charitable organisations is (Red Crescent beign an example).
-
Is he still around???
-
Originally posted by Silat
Grun I was wondering about his affiliation with extremism. Just because you write some good songs doesnt make you a good citizen:(
Have you any links ?
I wasnt saying anything about him gbeing a good citizen, in fact now he is just the opposite. Still I like his old songs.
-
Explain again to me how he's a threat?
He practices Islam=Terrorist threat?
We've reached that point now? There is no longer religious freedom?
He's been accused of giving money to charities that may have ties to terrorism. Something he denies and as near as I can tell hasn't been proven?
It's all well and good to quote the laws that allow us to deny entry, but this smells a bit like blacklisting. My first thought was to when they tried to run John Lennon out of the US in 1972 because of political leanings that were contrary to what the Nixon admin approved of.
What exactly are we being protected from by keeping Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam from entering the country?
Dan/Slack
-
first Staga..you are a dolt...In no way can you compare Gauntanomo to "concentration camps"..
Do you even know what a concentration camp was??? I m guessing not..becuase they KILLED THE PRISNOERS ON A DAILY BASIS>.
dammit it makes me sik to see such idiotic statements
2nd..ol Cat Stevens raised mony for groups who commit terrorist acts...Is tht hard for you hanois to understand>?
Should of just pushed him off the plane
-
OH OH OH I GOT AN IDEA........
I say we get Kerry to leave the country even if he just goes to Canada that will work. Then when he is out of the country the Evil Empire (read republican party) can go to work and get him put on the do not enter list. Think about it, im sure they could easily tie one of his Anti-War protests to a communist or terrorist group which would give them plenty of ground for the ruling. :aok
-
Originally posted by GreenCloud
Do you even know what a concentration camp was??? I m guessing not..becuase they KILLED THE PRISNOERS ON A DAILY BASIS>.
Umm.. you don't have to kill people on concentration camps...
Where were the people of japanese origin in america sent to in WWII? to concentration camps of course.
Were americans killing them 'on a daily basis'? of course not.
Go read up what is a concentration camp, then comment on it.
Then figure out who of you two is making stupid comments.
In a certain way guantanamo prison could be looked at as a concentration camp.
However it is not really filled up with "prisoners".
The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd ed. defines concentration camp as:
a camp where non-combatants of a district are accommodated, such as those instituted by Lord Kitchener during the South African war of 1899-1902; one for the internment of political prisoners, foreign nationals, etc., esp. as organized by the Nazi regime in Germany before and during the war of 1939-45
A concentration camp is a large detention centre for political opponents, specific ethnic or religious groups, or other groups of people. The term often implies camps designed for the extermination of the interned (extermination camps) or their engagement in forced labor (labor camps). The term refers to situations where the internees are civilians, especially those selected for their conformance to broad criteria without judicial process, rather than having been judged as individuals.
Concentration camps form a subset of the more general category of prison camps. The term is not generally considered appropriate for Prisoner of war camps such as Andersonville during the American Civil War. Although large numbers of prisoners were concentrated there in horrific conditions from 1863 to 1865, and perhaps a quarter of them died, the prisoners were combatants and the camp is generally classified as a POW camp.
Early civilisations such as the Assyrians used forced resettlement of populations as a means of controlling territory, but it was not until much later that records exist of groups of civilians being concentrated into large prison camps.
In the English-speaking world, the term "concentration camp" was first used to describe camps operated by the British in South Africa during the 1899-1902 Second Boer War. Originally conceived as a form of humanitarian aid to the families whose farms had been destroyed in the fighting, the camps were later used to confine and control large numbers of civilians in areas of Boer guerilla activity. Tens of thousands of Boer civilians, and black workers from their farms, died as a result of diseases developed due to overcrowding, inadequate diets and poor sanitation. The term concentration camp was coined at this time to signify the "concentration" of a large number of people in one place, and was used to describe both the camps in South Africa and those established by the Spanish to support a similar anti-insurgency campaign in Cuba at roughly the same time (see below).
Over the course of the twentieth century, the arbitrary internment of civilians by the authority of the state became more common and reached a climax with the practice of genocide in the death camps of the Nazi regime in Germany, and with the Gulag system of forced labor camps of the Soviet Union. As a result of this trend, the term concentration camp carries many of the connotations of extermination camp and is sometimes used synonymously. In technical discussion, however, it is important to understand that a concentration camp is not, by definition, a Nazi or Soviet-style death-camp[/i]
-
so under a peaceful and loving muslim rule.... you would be sentenced to death for..... blasphemy? Would dowding condone such a practice if it were part of the christian religion?
seems these muslims are only peaceful and harmless if they are not allowed to run anything.
lazs
-
What makes you think I condone the captial punishment of blasphemy in any context?
-
He contributed money to Hamas and we don't want him in our country. Simple as that. I think we still have a right to say who does and doesn't enter our country.
-
Originally posted by Raubvogel
He contributed money to Hamas and we don't want him in our country. Simple as that. I think we still have a right to say who does and doesn't enter our country.
Only if Koffi Anan approves...
-
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I wasnt saying anything about him gbeing a good citizen, in fact now he is just the opposite. Still I like his old songs.
Grun I didnt mean that you did:)
I was just being uhhhh FUNNY:)
I am interested to know the inside info on what he has done to get on the no entry list though.
:D
-
I donno what put him on the list officially, but from what I read some years ago he was quite thje the fundraiser for some very bad people. Maybe it was that, maybe he did something else too.
-
This board has sunk to new lows if I am to be made to beleive by certain posters in the forum that Cat Stevens has been victimized here and can't possibly be a terrorists sympothizer just because he's a famous singer???????? Sorry I think the FBI watchlist isn't just a cool list of muslim names picked out of a hat.....you probably actually have to do something bad to be on that list.
-
Originally posted by Gunslinger
Sorry I think the FBI watchlist isn't just a cool list of muslim names picked out of a hat.....you probably actually have to do something bad to be on that list.
Like be a democrat?
:lol
-
LOL that jopurnalist over his left shoulder is a resident heathro reporter from the Airport documentary series..
-
Ok so first we had the communists, now we have the muslims, im just curious as too what will be the next group to be placed under these conditions. I am in no way saying this was a bad thing and I am all for keeping anyone who might be even the tad bit suspicious out of the country. I am just wondering what group will screw up next to be given the black list treatment.
-
Originally posted by GScholz
Americans perhaps.
I'd like to see what America could to to desreve such treatment, really...
-
Nah.... I still think Mr. Stevens overplayed his hand.
Gotta be consequences... and the sum total of the punishment he's received isnt a big deal considering....
-
I had a college professor who was detained for 44 days when he tried to enter the United States because he had been arrested at an Anti-War demonstration in japan. Choichiro Yatani, who is a doctor in psychology and studied at Stony brook Institute was coming back to the U.S. after attending an international academic conference. He had been invited to the conference to give a speech on a paper we wrote that delt with antinuclear activism. When he tried to enter the country he was told his visa had been revoked and that he was not allowed in. 44 days later he was released, it was a pretty amazing story to hear.
The reason I post this is that here is a guy who had done a whole lot less then Mr. Cat Stevens, so I think people need to realize that security comes at a cost.
-
Originally posted by GScholz
This form of "security" is like copy protection on software. It doesn't really stop the criminals, only makes more problems for law-abiding citizens.
Agreed! We must do nothing and retreat like Europe, we will only win this war on islamic terrorists by inviting them into our countries and subsidizing their unproductive and undignified lives with government handouts derived from high taxes!!
-
I heard on the news today they found the al-queda contact Cat Stevens was scheduled to meet with in the US. Dolly Parton. Even Colin Powell called the deportation "stupid".
-
Well, Dolly has a set of missiles... And everyone's got their price.
Hell - I think we all just ducked a bullet.
-
lol
Tit-for-Tat bannings are in order just like various diplomatic explusions. We get to keep the Cat so long as you promise to keep Timberlake and Britney.
-
Chortle, You are indeed evil :) I know why the UK are upset. They were hoping to get rid of the dip.
-
Originally posted by GScholz
Nice rant. I suppose you think it's better to alienate even more people, especially your allies.
Allies? Wow, that's a stretch.
-
Originally posted by Raubvogel
He contributed money to Hamas and we don't want him in our country. Simple as that. I think we still have a right to say who does and doesn't enter our country.
The point is, he has been tainted with the 'terrorism supporter' tag without any kind of trial, no chance to prove his innocence.
I would suggest people wrongly afflicted with such an accusation could sue the US for it. But since the US recognises no law but its own (but likes to see all other wrongdoers tried by an international court, from which the US claims absolute immunity) there wouldnt be much point.
Is anyone missing the hypocrisy in this state of affairs?
Glas
JG13 Lokis Kinder