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Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: Stone on September 22, 2004, 03:35:02 AM
Whats up with the indestructable trees, where GV can hide safe from all heavy fire and bombs?

One would think that a 1000lbs bomb could prenetate even the densest leaves on the trees?

Or can we get these super leaves on the panzers in stead of the armor ? :rofl
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: simshell on September 22, 2004, 04:42:11 AM
i put a 500ib on a top of a M3 under a tree


and nothing happen:(
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: Easyscor on September 22, 2004, 10:04:29 AM
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Originally posted by simshell
i put a 500ib on a top of a M3 under a tree


and nothing happen:(
Try rockets next time.:cool:
Title: Re: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: dedalos on September 22, 2004, 12:33:17 PM
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Originally posted by Stone
Whats up with the indestructable trees, where GV can hide safe from all heavy fire and bombs?

One would think that a 1000lbs bomb could prenetate even the densest leaves on the trees?

Or can we get these super leaves on the panzers in stead of the armor ? :rofl


Hey Stone, .  I was in an M8 last night and run in the trees after being spoted by a 110.  He made about 6 passes dropping bombs and strafing.   All hit close but nothing actually hit me.  He must have felt the same way.  My point is, how do you know it was not a near miss?
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: Stone on September 23, 2004, 12:08:47 AM
I do not think I am the only one that has noticed that in this game "the wood is mightier than the ping."
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: SFCHONDO on September 23, 2004, 02:35:51 AM
Trees definately help protect you from bombs, I was under some trees in an Osti the other night, even had a Lanc try and bomb me with no success. I toasted about 6 planes trying to get low to straff me, was good for me, but I am sure they were frustrated. They brought a tiger out to me to finally kill me. To me though, the GV icon should be off to nme planes as they are to nme gvs. I would never had been spotted if it wasn't for my big red icon calling out to the nme planes saying "Hey I am under these trees"
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: SPQR on September 23, 2004, 01:55:37 PM
I second that!
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Trees definately help protect you from bombs, I was under some trees in an Osti the other night, even had a Lanc try and bomb me with no success. I toasted about 6 planes trying to get low to straff me, was good for me, but I am sure they were frustrated. They brought a tiger out to me to finally kill me. To me though, the GV icon should be off to nme planes as they are to nme gvs. I would never had been spotted if it wasn't for my big red icon calling out to the nme planes saying "Hey I am under these trees"
Title: Trees
Post by: TalonX on September 24, 2004, 07:36:13 AM
You don't mean our painted stainless steel trees?

I love having a Lanc drop 42,000 pounds of bombs and never ping the GV.

:aok
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: SPECTRE304 on October 04, 2004, 07:23:15 PM
Why is it you can have 2 panzers with trees in between, they can shoot through and knock out your turret but your shells explode on the trees? :confused: and:mad:
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: CMC Airboss on October 06, 2004, 01:47:58 PM
Its also possible to drive on the tree "layers."

MiG
Title: ARMOR VS TREE
Post by: FuBaR on October 06, 2004, 05:27:10 PM
ok here is a homework assignment.    


     someone find out how much a pnzr,tiger,m8.etc... weighs



 Then tell me if it hit a tree what would happen.
(to the poor little tree)
Title: Re: ARMOR VS TREE
Post by: Tails on October 06, 2004, 06:10:25 PM
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Originally posted by FuBaR
ok here is a homework assignment.    


     someone find out how much a pnzr,tiger,m8.etc... weighs



 Then tell me if it hit a tree what would happen.
(to the poor little tree)


Depends on the tree. Saplings and any younger trees would be snapped like twigs by any of these vehicles. Anything a foot or more in diameter would be a problem to an M8, though the others, with a good clip, should atleast push them over.

Something full grown? If you somehow manage to push it over, you'd likely get your tank stuck 'high centered', and the M8 would end up in the same shape as a beer-can that came to know the business end of your boot (Translation: Squish'd real good)

As for aces high's trees? I can understand them stopping HE rounds (wood would be hard enough to trigger the round), and smaller AP rounds should get imbedded. Large caliber AP rounds, though, should blast through, with a suitable loss to total hitting power as the wood slows the round down.

Bombs are a different animal. They have those spinny fuse-thingies in the nose that blow the bomb up when they stop (usually happens when the hit the ground or something).
If they actually hit a tree, boom. Falling through the canopy? Possible boom (leaves stopping the prop). Should the trees stop the blast when it goes off? Watch any Vietnam war footage of bombs dropping into the foliage, really neat effects those tree's have in visualizing, but not actually STOPPING the shockwaves.
Title: hmmmm
Post by: FuBaR on October 06, 2004, 06:12:35 PM
I like your post but i honestly am a little confused.  Please tell me more. Especially any changes you would like to see
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: Tails on October 06, 2004, 06:27:32 PM
Not asking for any changes, just stating what I know or just makes sense.

Of course, ol' two tail here's crazy, so dont quote me on anything I say :D
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: frank3 on October 06, 2004, 06:40:02 PM
Quote
Originally posted by simshell
i put a 500ib on a top of a M3 under a tree


and nothing happen:(



Someone put his entire Lancaster load on me (3 x 14.000 lbs wort of boms) while being hidden under a tree...I heard some bangs but that was it, never noticed a thing
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: tce2506 on October 07, 2004, 01:15:37 PM
Personally, I don't have a problem with it. It makes up for the Icon giving away your position. Ther's no way a plane should be able to spot a tank hidden under the trees.
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: Tails on October 07, 2004, 09:25:59 PM
I guess that is one way to look at it. Either having trees you can bomb through but no icon, or an icon and bunker trees.
In truth, the former I would like a little more, but I guess until that gets changed the latter will have to do.
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: tce2506 on October 08, 2004, 07:02:04 AM
Yes, I would also prefer that the trees weren't so protective. But, I'm not going to complain untill they fix the Icon thing!!
Title: BOOM
Post by: FuBaR on October 08, 2004, 10:43:54 AM
I think we need  NAPALM FIRRRREEEE FFFFFIIIIIIIIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEE.
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: Tails on October 08, 2004, 06:36:42 PM
Fubar, did you forget your meds again?
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: Wolfala on October 09, 2004, 12:45:13 PM
Tree's should be seen as concealment against visual sighting. They should not be considered cover especially against a Line Backer type raid against a panzer.
Title: YAY
Post by: FuBaR on October 09, 2004, 07:28:19 PM
Wolfala
Title: Trees are not bunkers
Post by: Wolfala on October 10, 2004, 12:23:37 AM
Hoorah! Nor cal!