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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Krusher on September 22, 2004, 02:05:38 PM
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How valid is this claim?
• Sweden’s third-largest city, Malmø, according to the Swedish Aftonbladet, has become an outpost of the Middle East in Scandinavia: “The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations’s third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don’t know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized.”
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Do you have a source Krusher?
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We have one of those places. Its called Drammen :)
I think the story has some truth to it Ripsnort.
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They used to accept masses of "refugees" and now they are reaping the benefits.
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If you don't piss off the Muslims they won't hurt you.
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Originally posted by ra
If you don't piss off the Muslims they won't hurt you.
Yep. And don't forget to beat the wife daily.
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Originally posted by ra
If you don't piss off the Muslims they won't hurt you.
No I better not del del del del del del del eldel del del del del del del del del del del del del del del del del del del del del del del del!!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Do you have a source Krusher?
It is a clip from an article about the rise of islam in Europe. I am skeptical of the part I quoted and was wanting a Swedes POV to see if hit had any validity.
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Recently, I've been seeing a rise of muslims in Europe starting all sorts of trouble. I foresee World War 3 or at least an attempt of it as the muslims try to take europe.
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Originally posted by ra
If you don't piss off the Muslims they won't hurt you.
hahahaha classic :rofl
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yep. And don't forget to beat the wife daily.
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i thought we end this topic;)
anyway, in this story wasynt mention about court ? and penality for this men action? arent that way its should be?
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False.
You have to undestand that we are only 9 million ppl in Sweden, and then you understand that the 3rd largest city is very very small.
Any incident will be blown up to enourmous proportions...
< ----- Swede.
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There's probably a spot like that in every country of Europe (except for Luxemburg and Lichtenchtein). There are some areas of Brussels and Charleroi in Belgium where the cops won't go at all.
They are always there to give me a parking ticket though :mad:
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yep. And don't forget to beat the wife daily.
Rip - I read this story in today's paper. Wife asks for weekly beating
An Iranian woman has applied for a court order to restrict her husband's beatings to once a week instead of every night.
"My husband is violent and beats me virtually every evening. I thought he would stop after the birth of our child, but it has got worse," said Maryam J.
"I don't want a divorce. My husband is violent. It is in his nature. I just want him to promise to beat me only once a week," she told the judge, who burst out laughing.
Summoned to explain himself, the husband said: "I hit her because a wife should be afraid of her husband, and this way I oblige her to respect me."
The judge demanded a written assurance that he stops beating his wife altogether.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/23/wbul23.xml#3
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Originally posted by Krusher
How valid is this claim?
• Sweden’s third-largest city, Malmø, according to the Swedish Aftonbladet, has become an outpost of the Middle East in Scandinavia: “The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations’s third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don’t know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized.”
Guess why that will never happen here in the wonderful USA?
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Originally posted by Maniac
False.
You have to undestand that we are only 9 million ppl in Sweden, and then you understand that the 3rd largest city is very very small.
Any incident will be blown up to enourmous proportions...
< ----- Swede.
Same here. If half dozen immigrants have a gang-fight with some other minorities the incident will find its way to the frontpages of the evening news.
BTW where did you find that news? Christian World?
Because in here the most problematic part of the immigrants are the childrens of the parents who came from eastern European countries or from Russia so they are Christians. However I'm not racist enought (or idiot enough) to claim that it's those frigging christians again...
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Originally posted by storch
Guess why that will never happen here in the wonderful USA?
really? when I lived in KC (20 yrs ago) there were areas where the cops only went in with 2 or more cars, and ambulances and fire trucks went in with escorts.
the quindero (sp?) neighborhood was one, can't remember the name of the other.
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Originally posted by Staga
Same here. If half dozen immigrants have a gang-fight with some other minorities the incident will find its way to the frontpages of the evening news.
BTW where did you find that news? Christian World?
Because in here the most problematic part of the immigrants are the childrens of the parents who came from eastern European countries or from Russia so they are Christians. However I'm not racist enought (or idiot enough) to claim that it's those frigging christians again...
Same here in Copenhagen. Ironicaly enough in my neighbourhood all the headscarved women and men in flowing robes and buisness shoes hanging around street corners are Somali refugees and also Christian; not that many locals seem to catch on.
In Denmark; in the last ten years I've been here; the most terrorist action has been done by Bikers. There's been an open shoot out in the airport; and they spent a summer popping off RPG's at each others club houses and chucking grenades in each others jail cells. No one suggests that they'd be racialy profiled; and the better organised ones have organised themselves as "cultural clubs" and recieve limited state funds.
As do the Danish Nazi party.
Funny world; isn't it?
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"BTW where did you find that news? Christian World?"
lol. Close! Here is the source:
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=5096
"The Conservative Weekly" aka "Everything is a Leftwing Monoply and They're Out to Get Us!" rag.
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The story can't be true because CBS hasn't reported it.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Recently, I've been seeing a rise of muslims in Europe starting all sorts of trouble. I foresee World War 3 or at least an attempt of it as the muslims try to take europe.
I think the trouble has already started............. but Muslims won't take Europe or anywhere else. They will be absorbed and moderated like everyone else. The extremists have nothing to offer anyone.
As for the Police or ambulance crews being afraid to enter certain areas. Well maybe it's strange in Sweden but it happens everywhere mostly with the locals. Certainly it happens in the UK. Here in Ireland they used to lure the Police into an area and bombard them with stones and bricks. Another trick was to steal a car, find a patrol car and ram it so they could get a chase then lure the cops into an ambush. Mad stuff.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
really? when I lived in KC (20 yrs ago) there were areas where the cops only went in with 2 or more cars, and ambulances and fire trucks went in with escorts.
the quindero (sp?) neighborhood was one, can't remember the name of the other.
Really? 20 years ago. hmmmmm. Has Kansas (or Missouri) allowed shall issue permits? We used to have some neighborhoods like that here but since 1987 that has all changed. We have very docile bad guys now. There are no neighborhoods you can't go into.
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Originally posted by ra
The story can't be true because CBS hasn't reported it.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Westy
"BTW where did you find that news? Christian World?"
lol. Close! Here is the source:
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=5096
"The Conservative Weekly" aka "Everything is a Leftwing Monoply and They're Out to Get Us!" rag.
Uh, you did read that right? It was quoting a Swedish source:
Sweden's third-largest city, Malmø, according to the Swedish Aftonbladet, has become an outpost of the Middle East in Scandinavia: "The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations's third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don't know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized."
This may not link with the vB code off but you can cut and paste:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,529910,00.html
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" It was quoting a Swedish source:"
Yes. The author of that article quoted from a Swedish source but for just one part of his article. The rest, 3/4's at least, was the authors spin and speculation using other "facts."
Besides IMO he's an American right wing, fundaMENTAListic, religious nutbag. But regardless of that he's not European and his opinion doesn't count on what happens there.
(*handy application of the neocon rule for discource where they discount European opinion of American things)
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Originally posted by Westy
" It was quoting a Swedish source:"
Yes. The author of that article quoted from a Swedish source but for just one part of his article. The rest, 3/4's at least, was the authors spin and speculation using other "facts."
Besides IMO he's an American right wing, fundaMENTAListic, religious nutbag. But regardless of that he's not European and his opinion doesn't count on what happens there.
(*handy application of the neocon rule for discource where they discount European opinion of American things)
So, instead of addressing the article from the Swedish paper you attack the citer. How liberal of you.
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Why? I can't read Swedish so I cannot read your link and I don't trust the right wing nutbag author to have quoted within context as ALL of his prior articles are of an extreme rightwing FundaMENTAList POV. He's as removed from objectivity as Pluto is from our sun.
Besides. People from Europe, (Maniac, Staga & Seeker) have already provided a far better rebuttal. I trust thier opinion and judgement on this matter a lot more than yours.
Attacking the source is also a neocon trick I've adopted. Ask for links and then discredit the source. Aint it neat?
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AKIron.
I live in Sweden.
What you read in that article simply aint true. I as a white Swedish male can walk the streets ANYWHERE at ANYTIME without being scared of ANYTHING.
I can be drunk as hell fall asleep in the subway wake up in ANY suburb and i WILL be djust fine.
Trust me.
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So is this Swedish web site unreliable? Are they all liars? Is this a well known cite or publication in Sweden?
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,529910,00.html
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AFAIK Aftonbladet is an afternoon paper which solds only if it has a good, catchy frontpage.
We have couple of those in Finland too and sometimes if it has been quiet night/morning they need to really "make" news or they wouldn't sell any newspapers that day.
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
Iron!
If you could read that then you would understand...
My Cod!
:rolleyes:
NOTHING IN THAT ARTICLE CONFIRMS YOUR CLAIMS.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by storch
Guess why that will never happen here in the wonderful USA?
No here the arabs are not nearly as violent as some others, Here in dearborn, they are like little angels compaired to what we have in detroit.
Granted the polish hate them in hamtramic, but then thats life :)
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So during the winter in Finland, Norway, Sweden and Denmark what do you folks do? And If your very few radical Muslims do cause problems, do they hold off untill the spring? Hey in Sweden if you get drunk and fall asleep in the street during the winter, doesn't that get a little dicy on your survival?
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Heh friend worked in Volvo's factories in '80s (in Skövde IIRC) and he said the buildings they were living were also places the cops didn't like to go; especially at weekends ;)
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So during the winter in Finland, Norway, Sweden and Denmark what do you folks do?
- We sit in our Saunas and drink booze.
And If your very few radical Muslims do cause problems, do they hold off untill the spring?
- No idea; Haven't met a radical muslim yet. Had couple muslims as my co-workers, a pugilist and a wrester, and they were better guys than many Finns I've known.
Hey in Sweden if you get drunk and fall asleep in the street during the winter, doesn't that get a little dicy on your survival?
- If you really wanna sleep in the snow at the -20C it's your own fault if you wake up dead. Err...
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Originally posted by storch
We used to have some neighborhoods like that here but since 1987 that has all changed. We have very docile bad guys now. There are no neighborhoods you can't go into.
But you said it could "never happen" so are you contradicting yourself?
Btw i thought you were one of those religious moral types so what's up with the sig?
Quoting a guy that was a draft dodger and a confessed adulterer, not to mention he became a legal guardian of a teenage girl just to be able to have sex with her, to each his own. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by bustr
So during the winter in Finland, Norway, Sweden and Denmark what do you folks do? And If your very few radical Muslims do cause problems, do they hold off untill the spring? Hey in Sweden if you get drunk and fall asleep in the street during the winter, doesn't that get a little dicy on your survival?
Actualy; winter is a problem.
Denmark's not as cold as I imagined (I'm a Brit by birth); but winter is very, very dark. The flip side is everlasting summer nights.
To say there's no radical muslim problems problems would be false; but you have to understand the scale of things.
Denmark's got 5 million people; and about half live in and around Copenhagen. That leaves a lot of very, very small towns in the rest of the country (London has more cars than there are Danes). A small group can have a big impact in the right circumstances.
Nontheless; while Copenhagen has it's fights, assults and murders like any big city; girls still feel safe walking home unaccompanied through the city at night; how Denmark has inculcated this confidence I've no idea.
If any one ethnic group could be identified as bums; it'd be the Innuit (Eskimo's). Denmark still has Greenland as a colony; and the Innuit face a lot of the same problems the American Indians have had.
To be honest though; the typical town park bench drunk is a skinny white guy in jeans and a leather waist coat; Tuborg in hand.
Personaly; I think a main problem over here is that post war Europe has pursued a policy of intergration; instead of the traditional assimulation. This has a tendancy to maintain immigrents "them" status; as they are encouraged to preserve aspects of their own culture; thereby prolonging the time it takes for them to become "us".
Few European countries can follow America's afro-american; Armenian American; Polish American what -have-you-American kind of thinking. The idea of an "Afro-German" just doesn't compute. You're either an African; or a German; and colour is no bar to either case; but you can't be both.
This can make it very hard on immigrant kids; or "second generation foriegners" as they're called here.
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Originally posted by Seeker
Actualy; winter is a problem.
Nontheless; while Copenhagen has it's fights, assults and murders like any big city; girls still feel safe walking home unaccompanied through the city at night; how Denmark has inculcated this confidence I've no idea.
Its the same in the whole of Scandinavia... Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland...
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This has a tendancy to maintain immigrents "them" status; as they are encouraged to preserve aspects of their own culture; thereby prolonging the time it takes for them to become "us".
That's exactly what's happening in America with Hispanics.
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Originally posted by Staga
So during the winter in Finland, Norway, Sweden and Denmark what do you folks do?
- We sit in our Saunas and drink booze.
And If your very few radical Muslims do cause problems, do they hold off untill the spring?
- No idea; Haven't met a radical muslim yet. Had couple muslims as my co-workers, a pugilist and a wrester, and they were better guys than many Finns I've known.
Hey in Sweden if you get drunk and fall asleep in the street during the winter, doesn't that get a little dicy on your survival?
- If you really wanna sleep in the snow at the -20C it's your own fault if you wake up dead. Err...
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I don't doubt the authenticity of the article, and certainly would trust those facts than two or three "Ameerika haters" on this board. Appears they're defensive so you must have struck a sore spot.
Sweden has the second-largest percentage Muslim population in Western Europe. France has the highest Muslim population percentage, 7 percent.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I don't doubt the authenticity of the article, and certainly would trust those facts than two or three "Ameerika haters" on this board. Appears they're defensive so you must have struck a sore spot.
Sweden has the second-largest percentage Muslim population in Western Europe. France has the highest Muslim population percentage, 7 percent.
Haha.
Even Hortlund would agree with me on this one. Have that article translated.
This is the first time i see "managment by fear" in full effect.
No wonder the Iraq war was so easy to sell. Pfffft!
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9,800,000 muslims in Sweden....Hmmm...vs. 20,000 Jews...
By now we've come to accept that, as Germany was once the hotbed of anti-Semitism, it is the Middle East — from Egypt to Damascus to Saudi Arabia to the PLO — which today is a seething cauldron of racism. What, however, is even more alarming is that anti-Semitism is spreading to what would hitherto be considered the most unlikely places.
I have before me a study published Oct. 20 in a leading Swedish daily, Dagens Nyheter, which reports that "Arab and Muslim attacks on Jews are rising sharply in Swedish society [while] silence surrounds Muslim Jew-hatred." The study, inadequately translated from Swedish, was prepared by two Swedish social scientists, Sverker Oredssom, a professor of history, and Mikael Tossavainen, his research assistant.
The situation has become so bad, they report, that "Jews in Sweden today often feel compelled to hide their religious identity in public: necklaces with stars of David are carefully hidden under sweaters, and orthodox Jewish men change their kippot [skullcaps] to more discreet caps or hats when they are outdoors. Jews in Sweden nowadays get secret telephone numbers to avoid harassment. In Sweden. Today."
In a Swedish population of some 9 million, there are about 20,000 Jews, mostly in Stockholm, Sweden's capital. The social scientists blame the Muslim migrants, now 3.9 percent of the Swedish population, for the growth of anti-Semitism. (Sweden has the second-largest percentage Muslim population in Western Europe. France has the highest Muslim population percentage, 7 percent.)
"Most Swedes believe that anti-Semitism is an extinct problem in our country," they write. "Most Swedes believe that our society has evolved and that we are more enlightened today. ... Unfortunately, they are wrong. During the last year, the security police registered 131 anti-Semitic crimes. Nobody knows how many incidents go unreported. but the security police expect the number to be large."
Jewish congregations in Sweden have noted a sharp increase in "harassment, threats and attacks by Arabs and Muslims against Jews in Swedish society during the last few years," the report states. "The problem is furthermore aggravated by the almost complete silence which surrounds this form of Jew-hatred. If anti-Semitism among Arabs and Muslims in Sweden is discussed at all in Swedish media, it tends to be in the form of trivializations or denials of the problem."
The report's authors say anti-Semitism was once "only found among marginalized groups at the extreme right and left. That is not the case anymore. During the last decade, another form of anti-Semitism has started to spread in the suburbs of large Swedish towns: a Jew-hatred often imported from the Middle East and not seldom presented under an Islamic flag which also wins adherents among groups of Arabs and Muslims in Sweden."
Teachers in Swedish suburbs report widespread hostility against Jews among Arab and Muslim students. Several Internet Web sites in Swedish report on Muslim political and religious topics and at the same time spread anti-Semitic propaganda in this fashion: the Holocaust is dismissed as a Zionist fiction, an event that never happened. Then comes another declaration, this one full of admiration for Adolf Hitler and regret that he didn't live long enough to complete his extermination campaign.
One Swedish Web site announces the existence of a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world, an announcement with which Malaysia's Prime Minister Mahatir Mohammed would be in full agreement.
At some point the European democracies, like Sweden, will have to decide how far freedom of expression and other civil liberties extend when Web sites in several European languages, including Swedish, are publishing blood libels against Jewish citizens. The American philosopher, Arthur O. Lovejoy, has written:
"The conception of freedom is not one which implies the legitimacy and inevitability of its own suicide. It is, on the contrary, a conception which defines the limits of its own applicability; what it implies is that there is one kind of freedom which is inadmissible — the freedom to destroy freedom. The defender of freedom of thought and speech is not morally bound to enter the fight with both hands tied behind his back."
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
9,800,000 muslims in Sweden....Hmmm...vs. 20,000 Jews...
By now we've come to accept that, as Germany was once the hotbed of anti-Semitism, it is the Middle East — from Egypt to Damascus to Saudi Arabia to the PLO — which today is a seething cauldron of racism. What, however, is even more alarming is that anti-Semitism is spreading to what would hitherto be considered the most unlikely places.
I have before me a study published Oct. 20 in a leading Swedish daily, Dagens Nyheter, which reports that "Arab and Muslim attacks on Jews are rising sharply in Swedish society [while] silence surrounds Muslim Jew-hatred." The study, inadequately translated from Swedish, was prepared by two Swedish social scientists, Sverker Oredssom, a professor of history, and Mikael Tossavainen, his research assistant.
The situation has become so bad, they report, that "Jews in Sweden today often feel compelled to hide their religious identity in public: necklaces with stars of David are carefully hidden under sweaters, and orthodox Jewish men change their kippot [skullcaps] to more discreet caps or hats when they are outdoors. Jews in Sweden nowadays get secret telephone numbers to avoid harassment. In Sweden. Today."
In a Swedish population of some 9 million, there are about 20,000 Jews, mostly in Stockholm, Sweden's capital. The social scientists blame the Muslim migrants, now 3.9 percent of the Swedish population, for the growth of anti-Semitism. (Sweden has the second-largest percentage Muslim population in Western Europe. France has the highest Muslim population percentage, 7 percent.)
"Most Swedes believe that anti-Semitism is an extinct problem in our country," they write. "Most Swedes believe that our society has evolved and that we are more enlightened today. ... Unfortunately, they are wrong. During the last year, the security police registered 131 anti-Semitic crimes. Nobody knows how many incidents go unreported. but the security police expect the number to be large."
Jewish congregations in Sweden have noted a sharp increase in "harassment, threats and attacks by Arabs and Muslims against Jews in Swedish society during the last few years," the report states. "The problem is furthermore aggravated by the almost complete silence which surrounds this form of Jew-hatred. If anti-Semitism among Arabs and Muslims in Sweden is discussed at all in Swedish media, it tends to be in the form of trivializations or denials of the problem."
The report's authors say anti-Semitism was once "only found among marginalized groups at the extreme right and left. That is not the case anymore. During the last decade, another form of anti-Semitism has started to spread in the suburbs of large Swedish towns: a Jew-hatred often imported from the Middle East and not seldom presented under an Islamic flag which also wins adherents among groups of Arabs and Muslims in Sweden."
Teachers in Swedish suburbs report widespread hostility against Jews among Arab and Muslim students. Several Internet Web sites in Swedish report on Muslim political and religious topics and at the same time spread anti-Semitic propaganda in this fashion: the Holocaust is dismissed as a Zionist fiction, an event that never happened. Then comes another declaration, this one full of admiration for Adolf Hitler and regret that he didn't live long enough to complete his extermination campaign.
One Swedish Web site announces the existence of a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world, an announcement with which Malaysia's Prime Minister Mahatir Mohammed would be in full agreement.
At some point the European democracies, like Sweden, will have to decide how far freedom of expression and other civil liberties extend when Web sites in several European languages, including Swedish, are publishing blood libels against Jewish citizens. The American philosopher, Arthur O. Lovejoy, has written:
"The conception of freedom is not one which implies the legitimacy and inevitability of its own suicide. It is, on the contrary, a conception which defines the limits of its own applicability; what it implies is that there is one kind of freedom which is inadmissible — the freedom to destroy freedom. The defender of freedom of thought and speech is not morally bound to enter the fight with both hands tied behind his back."
Is this a troll or are you drunk?
Im amazed.
Get that article translated.
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No sir, that is the news reported. Good luck with it. If you need assistance, the U.S. is here to help you.
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LOL!
"9,800,000 muslims in Sweden"
You have to understand that THATS the ENTIRE SWEDISH POPULATION!
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Oh, sorry, forgot the translation you asked for :D
By noo ve'fe-a cume-a tu eccept thet, es Germuny ves oonce-a zee hutbed ooff untee-Semeetism, it is zee Meeddle-a Iest — frum Igypt tu Demescoos tu Soodee Erebeea tu zee PLO — vheech tudey is a seetheeng cooldrun ooff receesm. Vhet, hooefer, is ifee mure-a elermeeng is thet untee-Semeetism is spreedeeng tu vhet vuoold heezeertu be-a cunseedered zee must unleekely pleces. Um gesh dee bork, bork! I hefe-a beffure-a me-a a stoody poobleeshed Ooct. Um de hur de hur de hur. 20 in a leedeeng Svedeesh deeely, Degens Nyheter, vheech repurts thet "Ereb und Moosleem ettecks oon Joos ere-a reesing sherply in Svedeesh suceeety [vheele-a] seelence-a soorruoonds Moosleem Joo-hetred. Bork bork bork!" Zee stoody, inedeqooetely trunsleted frum Svedeesh, ves prepered by tvu Svedeesh suceeel sceeentists, Sferker Ooredssum, a pruffessur ooff heestury, und Meekeel Tussefeeenee, hees reseerch esseestunt. Um de hur de hur de hur. Zee seetooeshun hes becume-a su bed, zeey repurt, thet "Joos in Svedee tudey oofftee feel cumpelled tu heede-a zeeur releegiuoos identeety in poobleec: neckleces veet sters ooff Defeed ere-a cereffoolly heeddee under sveeters, und oorthudux Jooeesh mee chunge-a zeeur keepput [skoollceps] tu mure-a deescreet ceps oor hets vhee zeey ere-a ooootduurs. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Joos in Svedee nooedeys get secret telephune-a noombers tu efueed heressment. Um de hur de hur de hur. In Svedee. Tudey. Bork bork bork!" In a Svedeesh pupooleshun ooff sume-a 9 meelliun, zeere-a ere-a ebuoot 20,000 Joos, mustly in Stuckhulm, Sveden's cepeetel. Zee suceeel sceeentists bleme-a zee Moosleem meegrunts, noo 3.9 percent ooff zee Svedeesh pupooleshun, fur zee groot ooff untee-Semeetism. (Svedee hes zee secund-lergest percentege-a Moosleem pupooleshun in Vestern Ioorupe-a. Frunce-a hes zee heeghest Moosleem pupooleshun percentege-a, 7 percent. Um de hur de hur de hur.) "Must Svedes beleeefe-a thet untee-Semeetism is un ixteenct prublem in oooor cuoontry," zeey vreete-a. "Must Svedes beleeefe-a thet oooor suceeety hes ifulfed und thet ve-a ere-a mure-a inleeghtened tudey. Bork bork bork! ... Unffurtoonetely, zeey ere-a vrung. Dooreeng zee lest yeer, zee secooreety puleece-a regeestered 131 untee-Semeetic creemes. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Nubudy knoos hoo muny inceedents gu unrepurted. Bork bork bork! boot zee secooreety puleece-a ixpect zee noomber tu be-a lerge-a." Jooeesh cungregeshuns in Svedee hefe-a nuted a sherp increese-a in "heressment, threets und ettecks by Erebs und Moosleems egeeenst Joos in Svedeesh suceeety dooreeng zee lest foo yeers," zee repurt stetes. Um gesh dee bork, bork! "Zee prublem is foorzeermure-a eggrefeted by zee elmust cumplete-a seelence-a vheech soorruoonds thees furm ooff Joo-hetred. Bork bork bork! Iff untee-Semeetism emung Erebs und Moosleems in Svedee is deescoossed et ell in Svedeesh medeea, it tends tu be-a in zee furm ooff treefielizeshuns oor deneeels ooff zee prublem." Zee repurt's oothurs sey untee-Semeetism ves oonce-a "oonly fuoond emung mergeenelized gruoops et zee ixtreme-a reeght und lefft. Um de hur de hur de hur. Thet is nut zee cese-a unymure-a. Dooreeng zee lest decede-a, unuzeer furm ooff untee-Semeetism hes sterted tu spreed in zee sooboorbs ooff lerge-a Svedeesh toons: a Joo-hetred oofftee impurted frum zee Meeddle-a Iest und nut seldum presented under un Islemeec fleg vheech elsu veens edherents emung gruoops ooff Erebs und Moosleems in Svedee." Teechers in Svedeesh sooboorbs repurt veedespreed husteelity egeeenst Joos emung Ereb und Moosleem stoodents. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Seferel Internet Veb seetes in Svedeesh repurt oon Moosleem puleeticel und releegiuoos tupeecs und et zee seme-a teeme-a spreed untee-Semeetic prupegunda in thees fesheeun: zee Hulucoost is deesmissed es a Zeeunist feecshun, un ifent thet nefer heppened. Bork bork bork! Zeen cumes unuzeer declereshun, thees oone-a fooll ooff edmureshun fur Edulff Heetler und regret thet he-a deedn't leefe-a lung inuoogh tu cumplete-a hees ixtermeeneshun cempeeegn. Bork bork bork! Oone-a Svedeesh Veb seete-a unnuoonces zee ixeestence-a ooff a Jooeesh cunspurecy tu teke-a oofer zee vurld, un unnuooncement veet vheech Meleyseee's Preeme-a Meenister Mehetur Muhemmed vuoold be-a in fooll egreement. Um de hur de hur de hur. Et sume-a pueent zee Ioorupeun demucreceees, leeke-a Svedee, veell hefe-a tu deceede-a hoo fer freedum ooff ixpresseeun und oozeer ceefil leeberties ixtend vhee Veb seetes in seferel Ioorupeun lungooeges, incloodeeng Svedeesh, ere-a poobleeshing bluud leebels egeeenst Jooeesh ceetizens. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Zee Emereecun pheelusupher, Erthoor Oo. Lufejuy, hes vreettee: "Zee cuncepshun ooff freedum is nut oone-a vheech impleees zee legeetimecy und inefeetebility ooff its oovn sooeecide-a. It is, oon zee ****rery, a cuncepshun vheech deffeenes zee leemits ooff its oovn eppleecebility; vhet it impleees is thet zeere-a is oone-a keend ooff freedum vheech is inedmeessible-a — zee freedum tu destruy freedum. Zee deffender ooff freedum ooff thuooght und speech is nut murelly buoond tu inter zee feeght veet but hunds teeed beheend hees beck."
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Originally posted by Maniac
LOL!
"9,800,000 muslims in Sweden"
You have to understand that THATS the ENTIRE SWEDISH POPULATION!
you are correct, 9,800,000 in sweden, 3.6% (320,000) are muslim, 2nd highest in Europe.
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Listen.
You dont have to tell me im correct. I know im correct on this one.
What else do i know? That You and IKIron are making arses of yourselfs and America.
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Are you sure it's the 2nd hightest ?
Because I would have tought of Spain of Germany in 2nd position ...not sweden.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Listen.
You dont have to tell me im correct. I know im correct on this one.
What else do i know? That You and IKIron are making arses of yourselfs and America.
Shhh...it's fun to watch...;)
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Originally posted by Maniac
Listen.
You dont have to tell me im correct. I know im correct on this one.
What else do i know? That You and IKIron are making arses of yourselfs and America.
_____________________________ __________________
What are you correct about?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
you are correct, 9,800,000 in sweden, 3.6% (320,000) are muslim, 2nd highest in Europe.
I checked using the CIA factbook :
3.7% of the german are muslim ...
And 3.7% of 82 million is far more than 320 000 muslim :)
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Originally posted by straffo
Are you sure it's the 2nd hightest ?
Because I would have tought of Spain of Germany in 2nd position ...not sweden.
These stats might be old...I did find another source that said France was up to 10% now. Good luck! :)
http://www.iiie.net/Intl/PopStats.html
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Originally posted by straffo
I checked using the CIA factbook :
3.7% of the german are muslim ...
And 3.7% of 82 million is far more than 320 000 muslim :)
But but....the CIA LIES! DEATH TO AMEERIKA! WHERE ARE THE WMD! :rofl
Incidently, keyword here is "Percentage of population", not Number of Muslims.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
But but....the CIA LIES! DEATH TO AMEERIKA! WHERE ARE THE WMD! :rofl
"I was just roleplaying" - quote Ripsnort/Grunhertz.
:rofl
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So, back to your other post...what do you feel "correct" about Young Maniac?
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Im correct in all my post in THIS thread.
NO DOUBT!
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Originally posted by Maniac
Im correct in all my post in THIS thread.
NO DOUBT!
LOL< Ohhhh, to be young again......:)
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Sincerely I prefer having the French muslim as neightbour than some American posting in this BBS.
They're far less rude and more open minded.
Plus their food is very tasty (if you have the Mexican why can't we have the Morrocan/Algerian ? :p) they usually are hard worker and lot are pretty friendly.
Me think you are just living in complete ignorance of some facet of the world and missing a lot.
Look we even have some words in french which are simply arabic !
Like : caoua, toubib,baraka, bézef ...
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Maniac, do me a favor. Type in "Sweden's problems with immigration" into a google search, read articles from the first 10 hits, then come back and lets discuss where Sweden will be about the time your, say, 30 years old (this assumes you're roughly 16 now)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
LOL< Ohhhh, to be young again......:)
Can you point out where im wrong in this thread. Im young, i need you to educate me. please.
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If the keyword is percentage ...
how 3.7% of muslim in Germany compare to 3.6% of muslim in Sweden ?
3.7 > 3.6 even in Ameeerukka ?
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Originally posted by straffo
Sincerely I prefer having the French muslim as neightbour than some American posting in this BBS.
They're far less rude and more open minded.
Plus their food is very tasty (if you have the Mexican why can't we have the Morrocan/Algerian ? :p) they usually are hard worker and lot are pretty friendly.
Me think you are just living in complete ignorance of some facet of the world and missing a lot.
Look we even have some words in french which are simply arabic !
Like : caoua, toubib,baraka, bézef ...
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Its probably why your Gov't didn't support GW2 (Afraid of Muslim uprisings and blowing up your city) combined with the blood money your Gov't made off Saddam.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by straffo
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Hope you're laughing as much as your Gov't ;)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50229-2004Jul14.html
A House committee has issued a subpoena for financial records from a French bank that managed billions of dollars in Iraqi oil revenue through a U.N.-administered humanitarian program.
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Well, it appears Maniacs best debate strategy was to say "you're drunk!" and storm off.
NEXT!
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Seems he asked you to point out where he was wrong. He even said please.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Well, it appears Maniacs best debate strategy was to say "you're drunk!" and storm off.
NEXT!
Excuse me?
Please read the thread again. And make it fast, its bedtime over here, 12:00 in the night.
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You should avoid shooting in your foot when making a post :
(from the very same article :p)
:p :p :p
So a "House committee" (I don't have a single idea of what it can be) requested data from the BNP ...great
Did they got the data ?
Can you clarify a point for me please : what is the purpose of a "House committee" and has it legal validity in France ?
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I find this article to be fearmongering at its worst.. Europe has nothing to be conncerned about from her young, poor, uneducated, jobless, non-integrated recent immigrant muslim population now or in the future.. Get a grip folks!
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Why do you guys insist on proving that Michael Moore was right?
Aint this a bit phatetic guys.
I mean really.
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Dammm you were late GRUN so late that Rip had to impersonate you :D
And you're so late that I won't stay any longuer ... I should already be in my bed since about 1 hour.
If I wake up tired tomorrow ... ahem ... today it will be the fault of an Ameeeruukaan !
YOU :p
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Originally posted by straffo
Dammm you were late GRUN so late that Rip had to impersonate you :D
And you're so late that I won't stay any longuer ... I should already be in my bed since about 1 hour.
If I wake up tired tomorrow ... ahem ... today it will be the fault of an Ameeeruukaan !
YOU :p
Ya, bedtime for too.
All i hope for tommorow is that this thread aint deleted. Im sure Ripsnort will try his best tough.
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I wonder how many % of Americans are having Schitsophrenia?
Rip sure has forgot to take his pills :lol
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Whay are you guys attacking me? The words I wrote express agreement with your views!
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I find this article to be fearmongering at its worst.. Europe has nothing to be conncerned about from her young, poor, uneducated, jobless, non-integrated recent immigrant muslim population now or in the future.. Get a grip folks!
Actually there should be some concern. First yurope doesn't have a pop culture. secondly the Muslims are winning the population war on two fronts, Immigration and procreation. Yuropeans are very non productive in the sack apparently while the Muslims are known to consider a family with six children to be a small family. In fact Amuuuuurikans should also be concerned. did you know that there are cities in Michigan (Dearborne comes immediately to mind) where the mullahs blast the Muslim call to prayer five times daily from bullhorns?? They are able to accomplish this blatant non separation of Church and state by being the darling religion of the left and by voting Muslims into office in their towns, and I literally mean "their towns" they rule with no concern for other religions or ways of thinking. Thank God we have Hollywood to bring these folks into the fold.
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Rips you killiing me, when you start thinking wider?
is your hate to muslims become habbit?
i dont love them neither but showing such a hate by public is not right. Arent you worry about become racist?
Imagine what will happend is small group of chrstions start migrate to other country where they will be in minority.....
Oh wait its was happend in south america, north america, europe, asia ...........
And allways its was bloody way.
Im not avare about muslims uprising in sweden, germany or whenever in western europe. Thy have too much to loose there.
Other story is allways will be exist extemists and for this you have law enforcment forces and law. Same like in every place on the world.
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Originally posted by storch
Actually there should be some concern. First yurope doesn't have a pop culture. secondly the Muslims are winning the population war on two fronts, Immigration and procreation. Yuropeans are very non productive in the sack apparently while the Muslims are known to consider a family with six children to be a small family. In fact Amuuuuurikans should also be concerned. did you know that there are cities in Michigan (Dearborne comes immediately to mind) where the mullahs blast the Muslim call to prayer five times daily from bullhorns?? They are able to accomplish this blatant non separation of Church and state by being the darling religion of the left and by voting Muslims into office in their towns, and I literally mean "their towns" they rule with no concern for other religions or ways of thinking. Thank God we have Hollywood to bring these folks into the fold.
have you tried replece muslims with mexicans to describe situation in US? ;-)
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Originally posted by Maniac
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
Iron!
If you could read that then you would understand...
My Cod!
:rolleyes:
NOTHING IN THAT ARTICLE CONFIRMS YOUR CLAIMS.
:rolleyes:
What was my claim?
BTW, it is you making the bellybutton of himself. Do you live in Malmø? Have you ever spent the night there during one of your drunken binges? Have you ever even been there?
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Originally posted by ramzey
have you tried replece muslims with mexicans to describe situation in US? ;-)
Well, let's see we have a group of hard working nose to grind stone people who come here and want to assimilate. On the other hand we have a group of people who's stated intent is world domination by any means necessary. Hmmmmmm. tough choice. Besides not a good question to ask a political refugee from Cuba. :D
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Storch,
Here we have a thing called "Social Security" (You wouldn't know what it means, trust me on this one) Where the more children you have, the more Gov money you get... "some" pple live off this Gov money.
Straffo = 100% right
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You see guys nothing to worry about. Many of these these muslim immigrants are being financially supported by the government, they will be greatful for this generous assistance, they will be responsible and they wont cause any problems. Stop the fear mongering!
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I had/have no idea if there is any truth to the article Krusher asked about. Never stated any opinion on it. Was just trying to tell Westy that his bigotry was showing. Guess I shoulda whispered.
I have seen a huge pile on and a few that claim to know this is completely false. Don't think I've seen any of those that claim they know this to be false to have claimed they have ever actually been to this place though. How about it? I'm not arguing, just curious.
BTW, some of you guys are real quick with the criticism but damn defensive when you imagine some slight.
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"Here we have a thing called "Social Security" (You wouldn't know what it means, trust me on this one) Where the more children you have, the more Gov money you get... "some" pple live off this Gov money."
I believe we call it welfare here Saintaw.
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This thread is the most funny thing ever. It totally doesn't look like it at first. But it is.
Sleeper hit of the summer. Two thumbs up. Way up.
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Originally posted by AKIron
What was my claim?
BTW, it is you making the bellybutton of himself. Do you live in Malmø? Have you ever spent the night there during one of your drunken binges? Have you ever even been there?
Yes I HAVE IRON!
Plenty of times!!! I even have pictures to prove it for you man! LOL!
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Gyro, sorry yes, that was the word I wanted to use. It is however different from what you have in the US, they can benefit from it all their lives over here, you can just be on welfare your whole life and even have loans in banks.
Not to worry, there are plenty of workers to replenish the funds, this is (partly) why we have one of the highest tax rates in the world :mad:
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Whay are you guys attacking me? The words I wrote express agreement with your views!
Ever heard of Pavlov's dog ? :D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You see guys nothing to worry about. Many of these these muslim immigrants are being financially supported by the government, they will be greatful for this generous assistance, they will be responsible and they wont cause any problems. Stop the fear mongering!
I'm not sure it's right ... but during the 50's/60's/70's they worked hard to help rebuild our economie and our nation it would be very dishonorable to not give them back anything.
Plus I'm pretty unsure they represent the bulk of the welfare recipient.
The problem is not the muslim but more in the "ghettoized" (aka banlieu) part of our city were they live ,and they live with christian in those parts.
Don't forget that our cities are less partitionned race wise than the US city there is no muslim-ghetto ,asian-ghetto or black-ghetto (albeit there is some exception to my affirmation)
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PS: Sweedish Hell's angels:
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/19_1096018085_hellsangels.jpg
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"trying to tell Westy that his bigotry was showing"
rofl! A liberal bigot. An absolute oxymoron like "military intellegence" or "compassionate conservative." Still, that is simply priceless coming fron a neocon such as you.
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don't know anything aboyut the swedes or how they get along with the muslim population but it appears to me that...
a minority group is getting bigger percentaghe wise... it is economicly inferior to the host country as a whole but the benifiets that are freely given by the host country seem magnanimous and bring a better standard of living to this first couple of generations of immigrants than they could ever have imagined in their native land.
living in California I would tell the swedes that they have nothing to worry about.. What could go wrong? everyone is allways grateful for handouts right? hey... even being the lower class in a country is better than starving in the desert right?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
don't know anything aboyut the swedes or how they get along with the muslim population but it appears to me that...
a minority group is getting bigger percentaghe wise... it is economicly inferior to the host country as a whole but the benifiets that are freely given by the host country seem magnanimous and bring a better standard of living to this first couple of generations of immigrants than they could ever have imagined in their native land.
living in California I would tell the swedes that they have nothing to worry about.. What could go wrong? everyone is allways grateful for handouts right? hey... even being the lower class in a country is better than starving in the desert right?
lazs
Your post is true but what the hell does it have to do with this topic?
We got "welfare tourists" (as we like to call em) from every part of the world here.
Look it up. We got almost every nation represented here in Sweden.
Blaming muslims for using the system when EVERYONE is doing it is just bad taste.
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maniac... I don't know what you mean. Apparently you could not read or understand what I wrote. It would not matter if the growing, economicaly deprived population were muslims, mexicans or martians.
giving them free stuff and making then even more dependant will end up causing problems if history is any indicator... perhaps swedes are 10 times more tolerant and willing to pay for others to resent them but that will onlyu mean that it will take 10 times loinger for the problem to appear.
No one likes to be an economicaly lower class minority and no one likes to pay for people who don't work as they do. Even if you all pooled your wealth and distributed it among each other... what would you do when the flood of new immigrants showed up? do it all again? How is it fair that they have to learn your language and you don't have to learn theirs?
I am sure that you will find in the future that it is your fault that they are all living in the worst parts of the city.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
maniac... I don't know what you mean. Apparently you could not read or understand what I wrote. It would not matter if the growing, economicaly deprived population were muslims, mexicans or martians.
giving them free stuff and making then even more dependant will end up causing problems if history is any indicator... perhaps swedes are 10 times more tolerant and willing to pay for others to resent them but that will onlyu mean that it will take 10 times loinger for the problem to appear.
No one likes to be an economicaly lower class minority and no one likes to pay for people who don't work as they do. Even if you all pooled your wealth and distributed it among each other... what would you do when the flood of new immigrants showed up? do it all again? How is it fair that they have to learn your language and you don't have to learn theirs?
I am sure that you will find in the future that it is your fault that they are all living in the worst parts of the city.
lazs
I read you AOK. But dont turn this from a muslim hate fest into a wellfare hate fest.
Stay on topic.
Other than that i still agree with your post, both of them.
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Originally posted by Westy
"trying to tell Westy that his bigotry was showing"
rofl! A liberal bigot. An absolute oxymoron like "military intellegence" or "compassionate conservative." Still, that is simply priceless coming fron a neocon such as you.
---Now your ignorance is showing too. I'm beginning to feel embarrassed for ya Westy, stop while you can still show your face around here.
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maniac... I do not hate muslims... I don't even know any. I am just saying that having an economicly depressed minority live in neighborhoods that are all or mostly all one minoprity is a sure fire way to breed resentment, crime and other racial problems.
And I still have no idea how you got that I blamed muslims for this. It is the swedes policies I blame just as Americas policies cause their minority problems.
lazs
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lol @ you now AKIron. What's the worst that can happen. People like you would stop reading my posts?
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Originally posted by lazs2
maniac... I do not hate muslims... I don't even know any. I am just saying that having an economicly depressed minority live in neighborhoods that are all or mostly all one minoprity is a sure fire way to breed resentment, crime and other racial problems.
And I still have no idea how you got that I blamed muslims for this. It is the swedes policies I blame just as Americas policies cause their minority problems.
lazs
Im not saying that, im saying this thread is not about Wellfare.
Everything you said about wellfare here i agree with.
I just want everyone to stay on topic in this thread. :)
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want...WANT???
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Ok maniac... I give up... what is it exactly that you think this thread is about?
lazs
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Huh?
Fearmongering articles are all over the world. Le Figaro loves to publish crap on their front pages about how the french countrysides are become muslim enclaves.
uh straffo, not all american cities exhibit the same degree of segregation as Chicago. And we do like do distinguish between a "ghetto" (forced enclave of a group, usually poor) and a "neighborhood" (voluntary geographical association). After all, many big american cities have a Chinatown, but it's hardly an asian ghetto.
And the wave of arab immigration to Michigan has been a boon to the culture of that state -- finally you can get some decent food in Kalamazoo.
Currently at the house there's a muslim from Norway. While clearly not ethnically Norwegian, she's quite hot.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Ok maniac... I give up... what is it exactly that you think this thread is about?
lazs
LOL!
You read this thread and tought it was about wellfare?
Read the first post again lazs, this post is about slander.
The first post/statment/article or whatnot aint true. The article they are reffering too in it aint about a "muslim problem".
Its a Ghetto problem...
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Originally posted by Maniac
LOL!
You read this thread and tought it was about wellfare?
Read the first post again lazs, this post is about slander.
The first post/statment/article or whatnot aint true. The article they are reffering too in it aint about a "muslim problem".
Its a Ghetto problem...
But you feel comfortable sleeping off your drunk there right? That is what you said isn't it?
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Originally posted by AKIron
But you feel comfortable sleeping off your drunk there right? That is what you said isn't it?
A Swedish ghetto aint the same as the Ghettos elsewhere in the world.
I would be happy to show you.
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Right dinger I've been certainly victim of a widespread cliché.
So far the only comunauty here having a "ghetto" are the chinese in the 13eme arrondissement of Paris.
The othe ghetto are more economic related than cultural/racial .
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maniac... I never even used thre word welfare... you did... several times. I did not say it was about welfare.
I believe it is about the economics of immigration.
I also believe some are trying to say that economicaly deprived muslims are much more inherently evil than other races.
I also believe that some equaly racist people are saying that economicaly deprived muslims are somehow much better humans than other races.
lazs
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SWOOOOOSHHH!
Over my head.
Im drunk.
Lets take this up tommorow.
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lazs2
since when are muslims a race?, i thought it was a religion.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I had/have no idea if there is any truth to the article Krusher asked about. Never stated any opinion on it. Was just trying to tell Westy that his bigotry was showing. Guess I shoulda whispered.
I have seen a huge pile on and a few that claim to know this is completely false. Don't think I've seen any of those that claim they know this to be false to have claimed they have ever actually been to this place though. How about it? I'm not arguing, just curious.
BTW, some of you guys are real quick with the criticism but damn defensive when you imagine some slight.
Malmø is a half hour away; I can see it from my office in Copenhagen town hall; and have been there many times.
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nilesen... you are correct but.. would you say the religion is dominated more by certain races?
lazs
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true lazs, but still....
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I understand... perhaps (religious)"bigotry" would have been more accurate. Although, I am sure that for a lot of people race is factored in.
lazs
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I never tought of lazs as a "level headed guy".
**** im starting to like you in a "non gay" way.
:aok
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well... it is all moot in any case... the swedes can't be taken seriously since they speak gibberish.... they might as well be speaking german.
lazs
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and maniac... that is how it starts.... first it is "like lazs" and before long you are singing lovesick gibberish while trampling my flower beds.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
and maniac... that is how it starts.... first it is "like lazs" and before long you are singing lovesick gibberish while trampling my flower beds.
lazs
Single guy with flower beds? Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;)
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they are either "flower beds" or "weed beds" depending on how the girlfriend at the time takes care of em... the current girlfriend likes to plant flowers.
lazs
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HE HE LOL....I am sorry but after all the name calling, history channel bum etc....I got to laugh at the arguements about the muslims weve had . Ah feels nice when a little common sense wins out again, and to think this is just the beginning for Sweden......good luck....not.
ps. I only had time to read the first post, oh and of course the 2nd said....where is your S. O. U. R. C. E.
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Source is here: http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/pikea3.htm
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I dunno Straffo, all of Seine-Saint-Denis struck me as somethiing of a ghetto :P