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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Mitsu on September 22, 2004, 02:41:00 PM
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=131021
WOOOHOOO!
AWESOME DETAIL. WTG SUPERFLY!
I can't wait to see Ki-84 vs B-24/P-38 battle!!! :aok
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United will be estatic.
I like how the engine nacells have their distict oval shape.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/superfly/b24j.jpg)
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Very nice! :)
The ground colors look alot nicer, too...?
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how come the terrein on my computer doesnt look so nice?
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Very cool!
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The model looks really nice. A lot higher polygon count and very nicely done on the textures.
SUPERFLY, I certainly cannot do a skin, but I was curious how the textures work for the B-24? How many 1024x1024 textures does it use?
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Does it carry much more bombs than B-17?
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It will probably carry 8,000lbs to the B-17G's 6,000lbs.
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Yes, 8k
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Circumventing the language filter
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OK thanks, btw can it have 4000lbs x2 loadout?
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I don't think so. 4,000lb, 8,000lb and 12,000lb bombs were more of a British thing.
It will probably have a loadout with 2,000lb bombs though. At least I'd think it would.
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So why would anybody use the B17 now? This thing carries more bombs, has better defensive firepower, especially from 6oc and 12oc high.
So whats the B17 for?
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Did the "J" have 10 .50-cal. MG's, like the "H" did?
If so, are we going to have them all?
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:D
Great work Superfly! Superb job!!!
And yes Karnak, I am VERY excited to get this one in the air.
T-Bolt, the 24J and H were very similar, so yes the J did carry 10 .50s. There wasnt much difference at all between the two.
I've even already got a skin planned out for this one. :)
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(http://www.ne.jp/asahi/airplane/museum/cl-pln4/images6/36b-24j.jpg)
T-Bolt, I think so. type J is second mass-production model of type H (it is right isn't it?).
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Karnak, it is one 1024x1024 texture for the external shape.
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
Karnak, it is one 1024x1024 texture for the external shape.
Excellent. That should make it a little bit easier to skin. Thanks!
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Considering we now have the B-24 what limitations will there be on skins? I've got a book full of skins but majority of them are very risque.
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hehe, I'm imagining it... :D
(http://www.j-aircraft.com/gallery/collections/r_boerema/ki-84_b-24j-ryan_boerema.jpg)
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GRUNHERZ,
I expect that the B-17 will be notably more durable. The Lancaster very well may be noticably more durable.
SUPERFLY,
Thanks for the reply. It looks very, very nice. I certainly wouldn't have guessed it had a single 1024x1024 texture on it.
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22nd HBG Red Raiders and
450th HBG Cottontails Skins..
Pleease
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I'm hoping Ill be able to do "Chute the Works", but I dont know if this is pushing it too far or not.
(http://www.1370th.com/338th/RB-24/chute.jpg)
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United & Mitsu,
Thanks for the info.
Just thought about something...why would SUPERFLY announce this just prior to the CON? I thought this would be big news for the CON participants to enjoy before the rest of us.
Could there be some OTHER big news on the way?!? :D
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TBolt A-10,
I've never known HTC to hold back on this kind of info and just give it to tjose lucky enough to be able to make the Con. Con goers will get a look at what direction HTC is planning and there is usually a secret Con mission.
But units that are already locked in they share with everybody once they are far enough along to show us.
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737th BS, 454th BG, 15th AF B24H San Antonio Rose. San Giovanni, Italy Fall 1944.
That's the one for me :)
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1095886021_sar.jpg)
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B E A U TIFUL !!!!!!!!:aok
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Wow, just what we needed... another 4 engine U.S. bomber. I don't mean to rain on everyone else. I just enjoy more of the historical aspects found in the CT and this is a step sideways not forward.
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Its better then nothing.
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Originally posted by VWE
Wow, just what we needed... another 4 engine U.S. bomber. I don't mean to rain on everyone else. I just enjoy more of the historical aspects found in the CT and this is a step sideways not forward.
It's an airplane that WILL GET USED in the M.A. & scenarios where 99.9% of AH members fly. :) Sorry to hear that you're disappointed.
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VWE, since you, as many others, did not want to see a B-24, think of it in a positive way. Now that it is here, you can add several scenarios to the CT and SEA.
Think, with the Ki-84 and the B-24J, the Pacific maps will be completely different.
In the SEA, it is now possible to do a Ploesti scenario which would be very exciting IMO.
And, if you absolutely despise the B-24, think of it like this:
Now Superfly has done a bomber in the new AHII arena and the next bombers probably won't be as difficult to make as the first.
Now TBolt, about that sig.... :D
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Originally posted by VWE
Wow, just what we needed... another 4 engine U.S. bomber. I don't mean to rain on everyone else. I just enjoy more of the historical aspects found in the CT and this is a step sideways not forward.
who knows, it could be sidestepping a landmine...
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TBolt Please shorten your sig.
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YES! Finally a B-24. I get so tired of B-17's being the only heavy US bomber. Now maybe we can do a proper Ploesti scenario.
WTG Superfly and HTC. Now, if we could just get a 29 in the mix...
Remember fighter pilots make movies, bombers made history.
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Hehe Tbolt. Now you HAVE to get rid of it. :D
Oh well, I guess I dont have to go off and fix your incorrect posts about a B-29.
For now anyways.... ;)
RPM, I like that quote. Whered you get it from? Surprised i havent seen it elsewhere.
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You've never seen that one, United?
That's an old, old quote.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
how come the terrein on my computer doesnt look so nice?
My question since the beginning of AHII time
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Very nice, Superfly!
Thank you HTC!
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Its better then nothing.
And I do not despise the B-24, but does it really add more to this game than say the HE-111 or Pe-2?
I hope that HT dialed in the flight characteristics of that thin Davis wing. This is a plane that really needed 2 pilots on the wheels when loaded up heavy.
And yes it will be used in the MA as a dive bomber just like the B-17...
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Originally posted by VWE
And yes it will be used in the MA as a dive bomber just like the B-17...
I hate this. Why waste a perfectly good bomber formation to suicide-dweeb to get a kill on a hanger. There should be some kind of reward for landing a successful bombing mission. I'd hate to see a beautiful B-24 divebombing into an airfield!
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Originally posted by VWE
And yes it will be used in the MA as a dive bomber just like the B-17...
Well, at risk of being ostracized by the "gamers" in the community, there has been a very simple suggestion made (and, heard by staff) that could end the divebombing b.s.
:)
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T bolt, I think using smaller font would be better.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
Considering we now have the B-24 what limitations will there be on skins? I've got a book full of skins but majority of them are very risque.
The bigger question is how many skins will be accepted total?
Figure for the 24 at minumum to be fair you'd have:
USAAF 5th, 8th, 13th, 15th AF and possibly 11th for those Aleutian birds.
RAF
RAAF
USN
That's 8 already and it covers just about all aspects of the B24's war then.
Throw in some of those F7 paint schemes and even a formation assembly paint job and the list gets long :)
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by Mitsu
T bolt, I think using smaller font would be better.
Well, I'm not trying to push any limits here. But, HT said to make the sig shorter, and it IS shorter now.
The B-29 was a huge plane. It deserves a big font, imho. ;)
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i hope the bombsite auto- calibrate or it will be just another dive bomber.
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Originally posted by United
I hate this. Why waste a perfectly good bomber formation to suicide-dweeb to get a kill on a hanger. There should be some kind of reward for landing a successful bombing mission. I'd hate to see a beautiful B-24 divebombing into an airfield!
Perk all level bombers :D Shoot we need something to use the bomber perks for anyway.
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Guppy,
I seem to recall HTC saying that the formation assembly paint schemes were examples of historically accurate, but would not be acceptable.
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looks nice
shame is Another bloody American plane
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Guppy I'll wait to see what HTC deems acceptable as far as the B-24 skins. I'm looking at doing "The Dragon and His Tail". I'm also debating on "Cocktail Hour" and one that I can't find it's name. It has a lions head on the whole forward fuselage.
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:mad:
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A He111 would add nothing to the game, the Ju88 covers that space well.
However we could definitely use any of the following bombers.
Ju188
He177
Betty
Pe-2
Tu-2
SM-79
Z-1007
Blenheim
Wellington
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Ahh, hell. Just what we need, a B-17 clone.
I guess my dreams of ohh.. i don't know.. a decent LW bomber, or any VVS bomber, or hell, any early IJN bomber are out the window.
Yes.. add ANOTHER US bomber. We have the A20, the boston, the B17, the B-26, the TBM, the SBD. All the brits have is the lancaster (the moss is the fighter variant), all the soviets have is the IL2 (try taking a field with that, I dare ya) and all the germans have is the Ju88A4 and the Ju87 (the latter of which was obsolete BEFORE the war started), all the japs have is the B5n and the D3a and the super fast late war Ki67.
Yanks have the most planes in this game. They have the most variants. They have the most bombers.
And now we get another.
Yeah, sure I'll fly it. It's in the game. Nothing I can do about that. But I am so disappointed that it turned out to be this, out of all the possibilities everybody was discussing for so long.
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Grun, not so. He111 would add as much as the Blenheim. It would add as much as the Italian birds or the Betty. Why? Because you can't substitute ANYthing for it in the game. The Ju88 we have is much faster than the BOB variant. Hurricanes in the BOB scenario only had a few mph more than it (maybe 20). The He111 is much slower than the Ju88A4 and would be more realistic.
The same goes for the Betty. Try substituting the Ki67 for the Betty. Why doesn't it work? Becuase it's too fast to substitute for the better. Same goes for lots of planes. We can't sub the A20 for the Blen because again, A20 out performs it.
Well the He111 has just as much right to be on that list, in my opinion, for the exact same reasons. :)
:aok
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The H8K2 Emily would be excellent Flying Boat/bomber... ;)
AH2's large map has a lot of ports now.
The Flying boat is no longer useless even if it's released.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
Guppy I'll wait to see what HTC deems acceptable as far as the B-24 skins. I'm looking at doing "The Dragon and His Tail". I'm also debating on "Cocktail Hour" and one that I can't find it's name. It has a lions head on the whole forward fuselage.
Dragon and his Tail is 5th AF 43rd BG. It might be kind of nice to do one of the 64rd BS, 43rd BG all black "Snoopers" too.
I know which 24 you are referring to with the Lions head. I think that's an 8th AF bird. Found the one I was thinking of. Not sure if it's a lion so maybe it's not the same. Image included
There are so many 24 paint jobs that would look great. One thing about that slab side was it was great for nose art.
Still want a 454th BG 24 :)
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1095891653_b24jl.jpg)
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Originally posted by Krusty
Ahh, hell. Just what we need, a B-17 clone.
I guess my dreams of ohh.. i don't know.. a decent LW bomber, or any VVS bomber, or hell, any early IJN bomber are out the window.
Yes.. add ANOTHER US bomber. We have the A20, the boston, the B17, the B-26, the TBM, the SBD. All the brits have is the lancaster (the moss is the fighter variant), all the soviets have is the IL2 (try taking a field with that, I dare ya) and all the germans have is the Ju88A4 and the Ju87 (the latter of which was obsolete BEFORE the war started), all the japs have is the B5n and the D3a and the super fast late war Ki67.
Yanks have the most planes in this game. They have the most variants. They have the most bombers.
And now we get another.
Yeah, sure I'll fly it. It's in the game. Nothing I can do about that. But I am so disappointed that it turned out to be this, out of all the possibilities everybody was discussing for so long.
Just remember that the RAAF and RAF used the 24 extensively in the Pacific.
Dan/Slack
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I disagree on the He-111 not adding anything to the game, it would be a great addition to the 1940-43 setups in the CT or SEA events (incl the BoB). My vote would have been for the He-111 as the next bomber.
In any case, the B-24 does add something for the Burma and Pacific setups. I will take a glass 1/2 full approch to any new plane in AH, as long as its not another jet (please say we are done with jets, three is enough for a WW2 sim).
I would hope the next two bombers are German and Russian (Pe-2). the He-177 would be another one we need, and if we get it before the He-111, thats cool too.
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I told you all it was going to be a B-24 and you wouldn't listen.
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it will be more easy to stop it when it comes in for the dive bomb then the B17
happy never the less
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sigh
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So does anyone know for sure if the B24 will be perked or not? :confused:
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Im willing to bet not. Its performance is very similar to that of the 17, but its better in some categories and worse in others. Though, the 24 will have better defensive armament and bombload.
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I would be very surprised if it were. Very, VERY surprised.
The only thing it has over the B-17G is payload. It's defensive armament will be so close that most people will not be able to tell the difference.
B-24J is better to the rear, the B-17G is better to the front.
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and most fighters in MA today come in from the REAR:D
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Originally posted by simshell
and most fighters in MA today come in from the REAR:D
and, why they DO, I can't understand. :D I fly 17's more than anything now, and I can always identify an experienced fighter jock by his first approach angle.
zoom up and park yourself on my bombers' six at D400?!? :lol Good bye...
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I'm a little disappointed that it's an American bomber but I'm happy that we're getting a new bomber nontheless.
I'm sure HTC know what they're doing especially with their roadmap for TOD. Besides, as someone mentioned, more planes will be rolling out a lot faster now that they have it down to an art :)
p.s. Great work Superfly!
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Anyone disappointed needs a hefty kick to the anal region courtesy my foot. Please don't act as if it's the end of the world.
IT'S AN UPDATE FOR CRAPSAKE![/SIZE]
How many times has HT/Pyro mentioned that after this update is out the door, normalcy will return and aircraft/vehicle production speed will be GREATLY improved? Many of you, not all, reading this probably haven't a clue as to what 'normal operations' are at HTC. You haven't been here long enough and probably think that the current drought we've been experiencing is normal. It isn't.
You've waited this long, whats another two weeks? honestly...
and supah, great work, can't wait to fly it. :cool:
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Originally posted by Krusty
Yanks have the most planes in this game. They have the most variants. They have the most bombers.
And now we get another.
Well, this is a "Yank" game built maintained and pretty much 90% paid for by "Yank" subscribers, so this all surprises you how exactly? THey will get round to all of em someday if the game stays on business long enough - and the hope is planes will again be arriving in intervals measured by months again so be a bit patient and enjoy.
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Well ... the good news is ...
1: Both the new fighter and the new bomber enhance pacific settings.
2: Now that the B-24 is out it should pacify a large percentage that will now, hopefully, be willing to support modeling planes that fill the gaps more.
3: There's gonna be alot of B-24s to shoot down the first six months after it makes it's appearance in the MA.
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Originally posted by Mini D
I told you all it was going to be a B-24 and you wouldn't listen.
And the Shermie for a tank, baybee. (Prolly be a T dirty four)
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
and, why they DO, I can't understand. :D I fly 17's more than anything now, and I can always identify an experienced fighter jock by his first approach angle.
zoom up and park yourself on my bombers' six at D400?!? :lol Good bye...
well thats because it normaly works, i have more chance killing a con coming straight for me HO than i do a con flying 400 yards from me right up my backside.
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Not my first choice, but I welcome the new addition to the family with open arms... :aok
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/77_1095898525_b24jdesktop.jpg)
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Guppy that looks like the bird I'm talking about. Looking at that pic though it seems there were some modifications to the original artwork.
The book I'm referring to is Vintage Aircraft Nose Art by Gary M. Valant. It's on page 105 and here's what the caption says below the picture. "This artwork was done in Oklahoma City prior to departure for the South Pacific. AFM"
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From me and all the rest of the bomber pilots.... THANK YOU!!!
I can't wait.
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a decent LW bomber, or any VVS bomber, or hell, any early IJN bomber are out the window.
Lighten on the doom n' gloom bud. This is the begining of the good stuff
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Ok negative people, the B-24J wasn't at the top of my list either, but it is still a good plane.
It will get used in the MA, which is HTC's bread and butter. That is particularly important in this release. To get MA usable units that are done to AH2 standards in the game will help gain subscribers. Units like the B-24J and Ki-84-I-Ko that will see very wide usage in the MA.
The fact is that the B-24J is a classic aircraft and is a valuable addition to AH. We will get more aircraft.
For my part I am looking forward to playing around with not only the Ki-84 that I wanted, but also the B-24 that wasn't really on my list. It will be a great addition to AH.
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Is it just me, or is the B-24 in the pictures missing it's top turret? The B-24 did have a top turret, right?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So why would anybody use the B17 now? This thing carries more bombs, has better defensive firepower, especially from 6oc and 12oc high.
So whats the B17 for?
B17 should be able to handle more damage...
B17 has a belly gunner....
According to a 390th BG vet I spoke to couple weekends ago... 17 could fly higher than the B24 also.
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B-24 has a belly gun as well. It also happens to be retractable.
And I'll toss in my two cents, and say I would of loved to have seen a bomber -other- than the '24. A Ju-188, Betty, Hardnosed B-25 (With 75mm and parafrags...*drool*). Like someone else mentioned, the 24 is gonna end up like our other two heavy bombers: A gigantic dive bomber.
Hell, atleast they could of given us the Condor...-that- was a bomber that was built to have some kind of dive bombing ability...it'd fit right in with the MA :D
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Originally posted by 4510
B17 should be able to handle more damage...
B17 has a belly gunner....
According to a 390th BG vet I spoke to couple weekends ago... 17 could fly higher than the B24 also.
1. Might could but there's some contention, it seems.
2. B-24 has a belly gunner.
3. Might could but there's some contention, it seems.
4. It's obviously a done deal. We may as well smile, accept it and have fun with it. (And while we're at it get ready to give Pyro our next choice, should he poll the clients for it. I'm still pushin' for the Sparviero. ;))
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Originally posted by Cooley
22nd HBG Red Raiders and
450th HBG Cottontails Skins..
Pleease [/QUOTEYes.
The Red Raiders skin plz. Might then get some of my squad members of the Red Raiders in WBs to come over here.
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Nice a/c btw superfly/HT
Tronsky
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Originally posted by Tails
Hell, atleast they could of given us the Condor...-that- was a bomber that was built to have some kind of dive bombing ability...it'd fit right in with the MA :D
No it wasn't.
There seem to be some rather large delusions about the Condor.
The Condor was designed as a passenger aircraft for Lufthansa and was pressed into service as a patrol bomber by the Germans due to it's extreme range for it's day. It was, however, completely unsuited to combat. Structually weak, several broke their backs while landing.
In the terms of AH's MA or CT and reality the Ju88A-4 was a vastly more survivable warplane that just didn't have the needed range. The Condor was fragile, slow (224mph) and only carried a 2,100kg (4,630lb) bombload.
The only reason the Fw200 was as successful as it was is because it operated outside of the range of Allied fighters at that stage of the war. I know of at least on occasion where a freighter equipped with a Hurricane on a catapult resulted in the destruction of two of them as they orbited the convoy to guide the U-Boats in. Once long range Allied aircraft like the P-38, P-51 and Mosquito became available the Condor's goose was cooked.
As a Mossie driver I'd find great pleasure in a scenario of Mossie VIs vs. Fw200s, but it would be hard to find Luftwaffe fliers for it.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I don't think so. 4,000lb, 8,000lb and 12,000lb bombs were more of a British thing.
It will probably have a loadout with 2,000lb bombs though. At least I'd think it would.
At least i think it should in keeping things proportionate
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Long overdue... good job :)
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Originally posted by Flyboy
how come the terrein on my computer doesnt look so nice?
there are another set of tiles you can download at AH-Terrain, but before you use them you must have max textures set to 1024
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I salute the hard work and certainly appricate the effort in making the B-24...But I am EXTREAMLY disapointed to see this plane being modeled.
Allied High it still is aparently.
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Originally posted by brady
I salute the hard work and certainly appricate the effort in making the B-24...But I am EXTREAMLY disapointed to see this plane being modeled.
Allied High it still is aparently.
Im betting that now, since both artists have some experience in the new AHII game engine, fighters and bombers will roll out much faster.
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Nice work Superfly. Looks great!
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Originally posted by United
Im betting that now, since both artists have some experience in the new AHII game engine, fighters and bombers will roll out much faster.
Good one United ! ;)
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Hopefully...., dont get me wrong I love this game, though I have not been flying it lately I still keep my acount going to suport them and to keep my perks:). But this runs deep over 4 years deep and this realy bites hard to see this plane modeled, given that 4 other fighters could of been done for the efort put into this plane, a Plane that adds nothing to the game, except to add depth to a side of the game so deep it already is know as Allied High as a result.
I would love to beleave we will see mor eplanes as a result, I know if Pyeo says it is so, that he sincerly hops it will be they are all good people and would never beleave that ment other than what they say. though as well all know things can take time and circumstances can conspire aganst us. It has been a loooooong time since we have sean any new planes, to freaking long imo, but that is partly why I am not flying, game is stale because of this, but that is on me, not them, it is not up to them to keep my interest indefenatly.
All I know is I see a D. 520,a I-16,a P-38F, and a Cr 42 when I see that freaking thing...Indead vishualise any 4 fighters you want, or heck three and think to your self would I rather have those?
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Todays news just goes to show you that a whiner cant change his gripes. :rolleyes:
If its not the plane you wanted....get over it. The damn thing isnt even in the game yet and people are falling all over themselves to bash the decision to include it. Its a wonder that HTC even bothers to announce what they are planning to include. I think for the next update they shouldnt release screenshots or anything. Just put out a patch one day without telling anyone that it was coming or whats in it. At least then you dont have to listen to the whining before it even gets here.
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Their will always be whining, that is the only true constant.
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One of the great truisms of the flight sim community.
I think it was Blue Baron or someone from that era who said :
"You could get them drunk and get them laid, and they'd still b!t(h."
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Finally! I got to see Superfly work on the B-24 while on a visit to HTC about 4 weeks ago. We were looking for Pyro and he happened to be in Superfly's office. I walked in with my 4 year old on my shoulders and HT tells me that if I see any planes being worked on that it needs to stay confidential. Just then I look down at the desk and there are books with the B-24 prominently displayed laying about. I then looked up to see it on Superfly's monitor. I've had to keep my mouth shut about it for weeks :D!
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Woopy!
It's gonna be Ploesti everyday in the MA!
:D :D :D
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"It's gonna be Ploesti everyday in the MA"
I thought it already was:)
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Um, so the most produced and most ord dropped US bomber has no place in AH? lolol
cause we have the B-17? what a load of crap
so why do we have the Pony,,since we have the Jug?
why do we have the 109 since we have the 190?
I could go on and on...
I want the Betty,Tu and He111 also, but today is a Big day for me..as this was my main ride in WB, flyin organized formation at alt. btw, all Buff pilots dont fly suicide NoE runs
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I thought it already was
Well, we're gonna have the correct planes now! :D
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Originally posted by United
I hate this. Why waste a perfectly good bomber formation to suicide-dweeb to get a kill on a hanger. There should be some kind of reward for landing a successful bombing mission. I'd hate to see a beautiful B-24 divebombing into an airfield!
I suspect it will be a perked AC. Which would make it more desireable to try to survive.
Would also give everyone a reason to use their currently otherwise useless bomber perks.
Probably see some divebombing at first till they run out their bombing perks though.
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Originally posted by United
. Though, the 24 will have better defensive armament and bombload.
which is exactly the reason I think it will be perked.
Plus we NEED another perked bomber. The current perked bomber even if it were unperked would probably not get used a whole hell of alot more then it is now. Which is only just barely above not used at all LOL
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Just what about the B24's capabilities lead you to believe it will be perked? I dont think it will have any type of unbalancing effect if its left unperked.
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Originally posted by Karnak
No it wasn't.
There seem to be some rather large delusions about the Condor...
I could of sworn there was a German heavy bomber that, due to Hitler's unrealistic demands, was also designed (though maybe not really capable) to also dive-bomb. I thought it was the Condor, but I guess I'm wrong.
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HE-177
And because there are no real life material, construction or reliabilty issues with the aircraft in AH the HE-177 would be a very, very nice addition to the planeset
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
One of the great truisms of the flight sim community.
I think it was Blue Baron or someone from that era who said :
"You could get them drunk and get them laid, and they'd still b!t(h."
Actually, I believe that was Moggy who said that. But yes, it's always been that way and always will be. The game can change, but human nature can't. You can't stop the river of tears, you can only divert it to different subjects.;)
Anyway, the reason for the B-24 is ToD. ToD will be starting off primarily with a lot of 8th AF vs Luftwaffe action and therefore the heavy bomber will be central to that. The B-17 is very graphically dated since it was one of the first planes made and it had to be made under very restrictive condititions due to the system specs at the time. So we wanted something better to launch ToD. Our choice would be a B-24 or to redo the 17. The 17 is a plane that we are better off redoing from scratch rather than giving it an overhaul. Because we haven't had any new planes in quite awhile, we opted for the new plane.
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*sigh*:(
another allied bomber.Axis did have more than 1 you know.where is the He 111 or the condor? More allied bias i guess.:(
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Originally posted by Overlag
looks nice
shame is Another bloody American plane
Heheh, what you want, the Fairey Firefly?:p(http://[img]http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/236_1095952577_img_0008.jpg)[/IMG]
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I think ToD has to be Jesus...
Everyone talks about it... everyone belives in it... no one has seen it.. ;)
I really hope that ToD will show more then just US vs Ger fights... because to be honest west front action is kind of booring... well its not booring but at least I have played it so much that Id rather see some east front action...
My whish list for combat theatres in ToD is (in order Im lookin forward to em):
1. East Front
2. Desert Front
3. Pacific Front
4. West Front
Tex.
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Originally posted by allmetal
*sigh*:(
another allied bomber.Axis did have more than 1 you know.where is the He 111 or the condor? More allied bias i guess.:(
Must be. How could it be anything other than bias to first do the most produced multi-engine plane in history over a maritime patrol plane of which less than 300 were built?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Pyro
Must be. How could it be anything other than bias to first do the most produced multi-engine plane in history over a maritime patrol plane of which less than 300 were built?:rolleyes:
:rofl
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Ahh, yes! You know things are looking up when the whines start migrating back to the choice of what new plane we're getting. :D
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Originally posted by allmetal
*sigh*:(
another allied bomber.Axis did have more than 1 you know.where is the He 111 or the condor? More allied bias i guess.:(
I see that the delusions about the Condor continue.
And the He111 would have added less to AH, by far, than the B-24. The He111 would simply duplicate the Ju88A-4 the same way the B-24J duplicates the B-17G, but unlike the B-24J it would have seen next to no use in the MA.
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Originally posted by Pyro
How could it be anything other than bias to first do the most produced multi-engine plane in history over a maritime patrol plane of which less than 300 were built?:rolleyes:
(http://www.gilbertv.com/coppermine/albums/09152004/owned_billy.jpg)
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It's there debuman. It's clear and hard to see against the background. You can see the twin 50s pointed toward the tail.
GREAT JOB HTC!!!!!