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Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Dowding on September 23, 2004, 08:34:15 AM
Simple statement, simple idea. Agree or disagree?

Personally, I think any news station carrying these atrocities loses any credibility it once had. Reporting of the story is fine, but these videos are voyeuristic in the extreme.
Title: Re: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKIron on September 23, 2004, 08:38:14 AM
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Originally posted by Dowding
Simple statement, simple idea. Agree or disagree?

Personally, I think any news station carrying these atrocities loses any credibility it once had. Reporting of the story is fine, but these videos are voyeuristic in the extreme.


Supply and demand?

Are you suggesting we should be supplying a few nukes some of these middle eastern countries are demanding? Not undetonated of course.

I think it's pretty extreme to blame the crime on the victim.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: slimm50 on September 23, 2004, 08:38:42 AM
agree. i have no need, nor any burning desire, to view these things in order to know the perpetrators need to be dealt with severely.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Saurdaukar on September 23, 2004, 08:38:55 AM
IMO, they need to be seen.

They serve as a reminder of what we are up against and why we are fighting in the first place.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: lazs2 on September 23, 2004, 08:44:46 AM
I have no need to see em and I find any attempt at justifying em... disgusting.

dowding seems to make the excutioners robots who are only giving us what we ask for... very strange.

lazs
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Dowding on September 23, 2004, 08:48:00 AM
Nope. They are attention seeking murderers, deserving nothing more than a bullet to head. I for one, will not satisfy them with the knowledge that another Western infidel has been shocked to the core by images of their babarity.

But thanks for trying to sum up my views for me.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 23, 2004, 08:48:30 AM
I just don't get it. Remind who?

Seriously, if the majority of Americans can't remember what they are fighting - then maybe the view of the ignorant American is right.

Now if you mean remind them of rage, then that's intentionally using emotion to fight - and when emotion is involved rationality fell out the window and splattered all over the sidewalk.

When that happens, its gauranteed we will **** ourselves with a wood dildo covered in barbed wire.
-SW
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Ripsnort on September 23, 2004, 08:55:03 AM
The enemy makes them available to the public for two reasons:

-To intimidate those who want to bring democracy to Iraq
-For profit. These videos sell very well in the markets around Iraq and the supply cannot keep up with the demand.

Personally I cannot and will not watch them.  I still have not viewed the Daniel Pearl video and I have a hard time watching any 9/11 Twin tower footage (exception being the tributes on each anniversary)

I certainly hope that those who choose to view them have an emotion of hatred stirred up rather than one of intimidation.  For a person to say "well LEAVE then" is the same as saying we should let terrorists do as they please and control us.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: lazs2 on September 23, 2004, 09:02:07 AM
dowding... if that is what you meant then why say that it is simple supply and demand?   It is nothing of the sort.   It is terrorism.   If it fails to get results or the wrong results it will cease and a new tactic will be tried.  If it get's results then it will be used more often... that is hardly supply and demand as I understand it.

lazs
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Saurdaukar on September 23, 2004, 09:02:11 AM
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I just don't get it. Remind who?

Seriously, if the majority of Americans can't remember what they are fighting - then maybe the view of the ignorant American is right.


Not the ignorant American, the forgettful American.

I think allowing this sort of thing to become "routine" in our own eyes is far worse than allowing ourselves to be "shocked" everytime.

Emotion has nothing to do with it.  These people need to be killed, its that simple.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKIron on September 23, 2004, 09:04:42 AM
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Seriously, if the majority of Americans can't remember what they are fighting - then maybe the view of the ignorant American is right. -SW


I think you're right, there are many "ignorant" Americans that don't "remember" why we are fighting in the middle east.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 23, 2004, 09:23:44 AM
Well, these recent videos are from Iraq if I'm not mistaken. They are also not Al Qaeda. Begs the question if we didn't go into Iraq, would this have ever happened?

I mean, if we are in the Middle East to combat terrorism - we shouldn't be going about creating more of it.
-SW
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: anton on September 23, 2004, 09:26:21 AM
It should be reported. It should not be shown to or viewed by the General Population.

Retaliation should be swift, precise, & complete.

While I fully condemn these barbarick acts, I have to ask myself "what were those guys doing there anyway?" Surely they were aware of the inherent danger they put themselves in. What ammount of money would cause them to stay? The only way I'm goint to Iraq is if I get drafted.

Anton
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: CurtissP-6EHawk on September 23, 2004, 09:27:12 AM
Inflammatory
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 23, 2004, 09:31:04 AM
What the **** are you rambling about?
-SW
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Saurdaukar on September 23, 2004, 09:33:51 AM
You, pretty much.


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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Well, these recent videos are from Iraq if I'm not mistaken. They are also not Al Qaeda. Begs the question if we didn't go into Iraq, would this have ever happened?

I mean, if we are in the Middle East to combat terrorism - we shouldn't be going about creating more of it.
-SW



Yes they are from Iraq.

Yes they think it is AQ.

If we didnt go into Iraq, no, these heads would not be chopped off.  However, if we HAD gone into Afghanistan in 2000, 9/11 wouldnt have happened.

Why is this so difficult to understand for some people?  Youve got your head in the sand - its too dark down there for my tastes - cant see anything.  Get up and look around some.

Our collective American head has been in the sand for far too long and we got ****ed in the bellybutton while hiding.  Not going to go back back to that anytime soon I hope.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Ripsnort on September 23, 2004, 09:34:32 AM
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Well, these recent videos are from Iraq if I'm not mistaken. They are also not Al Qaeda. Begs the question if we didn't go into Iraq, would this have ever happened?

I mean, if we are in the Middle East to combat terrorism - we shouldn't be going about creating more of it.
-SW


Right. Just let Saddam harbor more terrorists while continuing to flip the rest of the world the finger. That way we have no base of operation in the middle east, and we'll be totally blind-sided when that next attack on US soil comes.  And Terrorists would have understood that you can take on America and never have anything happen to you.  Meanwhile, continue to build those palaces with the money that is suppose to go for food and aid to the people...Good plan! :rolleyes:
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 23, 2004, 09:37:09 AM
Ah, so anyone who does not follow the sick train of thought that you need to see death to remember - they have forgotten?

Man, what a ****in' joke you types are.
-SW
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Saurdaukar on September 23, 2004, 09:39:07 AM
LOL!  Look out everyone!  A Liberal without anything to say!!!  AHHH!!!!!

Give us some more creative insults point at our obviously inferior intellect, SW!  Please?!?!?
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Seeker on September 23, 2004, 09:39:23 AM
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
.

 They crash airplanes into the WTC and you have forgotten. I



No they didn't; it was a completly different bunch that did the WTC.

You're merely trying to cover your voyuerism with moral outrage.

Do  you need to actually watch kiddie porno to want it stopped?
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Saurdaukar on September 23, 2004, 09:40:28 AM
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Originally posted by Seeker
No they didn't; it was a completly different bunch that did the WTC.

You're merely trying to cover your voyuerism with moral outrage.

Do  you need to actually watch kiddie porno to want it stopped?



Your attempt to sound bright here is backfiring.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 23, 2004, 09:42:55 AM
No, they know its not Al Qaeda.

What attack was Iraq going to do? Even if we had gone into Afghanistan in 2000, 9/11 would have happened. They were here for atleast 5 years, they didn't rely on anyone in Afghanistan to carry out the attack.

Of course, since I realise the real threat was not Iraq but several other countries - my head is in the sand. Believe whatever you want, Iraq had as much to do with terrorism as water has to do with fire.

Iraq harbored terrorists? Yeah, wasn't it a small camp of refugee terrorists? What about the biggest countries of them all? Syria? Saudi Arabia? Iraq was a mouse, these other countries are lions. "Base of operations"... thats funny, because that method was used by empire builders.
-SW
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Seeker on September 23, 2004, 09:43:04 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Right. Just let Saddam harbor more terrorists while continuing to flip the rest of the world the finger. That way we have no base of operation in the middle east,



Isn't Isreal in the middle east?

If you want a "base of operation" (what is that exactly?); wouldn't starting out from friendly terratory be a better bet?

I'm not saying you're wrong; just that I don't follow your logic.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 23, 2004, 09:43:58 AM
A liberal? Yeah, thats the ticket. What a waste of time you are.
-SW
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Ripsnort on September 23, 2004, 09:47:28 AM
"Thank you America" (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040923/D859DRJO0.html)
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Ripsnort on September 23, 2004, 09:49:04 AM
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
What about the biggest countries of them all? Syria? Saudi Arabia? Iraq was a mouse, these other countries are lions. "Base of operations"... thats funny, because that method was used by empire builders.
-SW


A message was delivered. And, they may be next.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 23, 2004, 09:50:51 AM
Following that train of thought, Italy should have been defeated first - then shake our fists at Germany.
-SW
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Muckmaw1 on September 23, 2004, 09:54:51 AM
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
A liberal? Yeah, thats the ticket. What a waste of time you are.
-SW


Holy Crap. Well do anything long enough and anything is possible I guess.

Have a seat guys.

I agree with Dowding, and AKSWulfe here.

I disagree with Saur.

Saur said:IMO, they need to be seen.

They serve as a reminder of what we are up against and why we are fighting in the first place.

I think it's pretty obvious why the terroists video tape these things. What will they do when the blood thirsty world of voyeurs grows bored of they atrocities?

Think about this. What would happen if the world simply ignored their videos and demands. Thousands of people were slaughtered today, some in heinous ways, all over the world. Why does one person garner world attention and put a spotlight on the demands of a group of common thugs? I think those who watch and seek these videos need to look inside themselved for the answer.

I Dowding and Wulfe for their views on this particular topic. Though I would love nothing more than to exact terrible revenge, we cannot do this until the criminals are caught.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Habu on September 23, 2004, 09:55:41 AM
I have not looked at one nor will I.

I can imagine how horrible they are. I don't need that image in my brain for the rest of my life.

It is what the terrorists want. For us to see them. I refuse to participate.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Muckmaw1 on September 23, 2004, 09:58:26 AM
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Well, these recent videos are from Iraq if I'm not mistaken. They are also not Al Qaeda.

-SW


No intelligent person could believe these people have no ties to Al Qaeda.

Are'nt these groups AL-Zarquari's people?

Isn't he a major figure in AQ?
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 23, 2004, 10:01:11 AM
Never said anything about ties... I'm just not sure if we inspired them to become this way, or if they were preparing to become like Al Qaeda and fight us.

Just not sure, I know for a fact our biggest enemy is Al Qaeda... the rest in Iraq are questionable if we didn't go there. Just saying.

And btw - pretty much all liberals are women, so you've done them too. :)
-SW
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Rude on September 23, 2004, 10:12:36 AM
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I mean, if we are in the Middle East to combat terrorism - we shouldn't be going about creating more of it.


It's always our fault, isn't it?

You must be a young man lacking the years to know any better....it's all kinda simple when your frame of reference comes from the media or a college text book.

Vote for Kerry....vote twice for Kerry....hope is on the way simon.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Naso on September 23, 2004, 10:12:44 AM
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Originally posted by Habu
I have not looked at one nor will I.

I can imagine how horrible they are. I don't need that image in my brain for the rest of my life.

It is what the terrorists want. For us to see them. I refuse to participate.


For a strange paradox in the universe, this time I have found Habu expressing the same toughts I had.

I will not play their game.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 23, 2004, 10:16:41 AM
Do you want me to post a picture of an eagle crying for you Rude?
-SW
Title: Re: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Rude on September 23, 2004, 10:21:47 AM
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Originally posted by Dowding
Simple statement, simple idea. Agree or disagree?

Personally, I think any news station carrying these atrocities loses any credibility it once had. Reporting of the story is fine, but these videos are voyeuristic in the extreme. [/B]


Agreed.....it is not necessary to view these video's to know we have an enemy....still, in America, we forget quickly. Pearle got coverage as did Nick Berg....since then, very little gets mentioned of it here.

I do believe that the reality of this violence escapes most Americans....most require it to roost here before they'll pay attention.

Unfortunate.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Rude on September 23, 2004, 10:23:17 AM
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Do you want me to post a picture of an eagle crying for you Rude?
-SW


You may do whatever makes ya feel special.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: xrtoronto on September 23, 2004, 10:24:25 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Right. Just let Saddam harbor more terrorists while continuing to flip the rest of the world the finger. That way we have no base of operation in the middle east, and we'll be totally blind-sided when that next attack on US soil comes.  And Terrorists would have understood that you can take on America and never have anything happen to you.  Meanwhile, continue to build those palaces with the money that is suppose to go for food and aid to the people...Good plan! :rolleyes:


that perverse idiot running your country has asked for 'help' for years with his coalition of idiots...and how much help have you gotten from the rest of us? NONE:lol

good plan!:rolleyes:

how many more dead today?
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKIron on September 23, 2004, 10:25:24 AM
Iraq was hardly a "mouse" when it beligerently invaded it's mousey neighbor Kuwait. In fact, Iraq had the world's 4th largest army. Let's not be ignorant and forget what Iraq did and why we are there still. No way in hell Saddam would ever have given up his dreams of middle east conquest.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Rude on September 23, 2004, 10:40:58 AM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Iraq was hardly a "mouse" when it beligerently invaded it's mousey neighbor Kuwait. In fact, Iraq had the world's 4th largest army. Let's not be ignorant and forget what Iraq did and why we are there still. No way in hell Saddam would ever have given up his dreams of middle east conquest.


Some find it more self gratifying to ignore the truth....those who have sat comfortably here on thier all knowing tulips feel inclined to tell the rest of us how it really is....nothing simplistic about any of these issues, except perhaps the solution.

Cyas Up Iron
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Steve on September 23, 2004, 10:46:24 AM
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Iraq had as much to do with terrorism as water has to do with fire.



Are you serious here?
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Steve on September 23, 2004, 10:51:08 AM
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and how much help have you gotten from the rest of us? NONE


We still hope that one day you will see the threat to the world and join us.  Until then, we will do what must be done, without your help. Killing people that would gladly kick down your door and murder your whole family.  We do this, and all the while you belittle our actions, yet we are undeterred.


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how many more dead today?


A lot less than if we hadn't gone in.  May God forgive you.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Muckmaw1 on September 23, 2004, 10:58:49 AM
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Originally posted by Steve
May God forgive you.


Because we won't.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Rude on September 23, 2004, 11:04:55 AM
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
that perverse idiot running your country has asked for 'help' for years with his coalition of idiots...and how much help have you gotten from the rest of us? NONE:lol

good plan!:rolleyes:

how many more dead today?


Feels good not to help eh? You must be a proud french canadian.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKIron on September 23, 2004, 11:07:37 AM
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Originally posted by Rude
Feels good not to help eh? You must be a proud french canadian.


Not nice to pick on the nationality impaired Rude. :aok
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: rpm on September 23, 2004, 11:20:23 AM
By posting links to those beheading video's you are in fact giving aid to the enemy. You are no better than Al-Jazeera.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Ripsnort on September 23, 2004, 11:22:18 AM
Original topic:
Rare thread, Repubs, Dems and Libs all agreeing!(mostly) :eek:
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Muckmaw1 on September 23, 2004, 11:25:58 AM
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Originally posted by rpm371
By posting links to those beheading video's you are in fact giving aid to the enemy. You are no better than Al-Jazeera.


EXACTLY!

Unfortunately CNN and all the other Media outlets worldwide do in 1 min the same damage a websight will do in a month.

This is one of those rare cases where if the world ignores it, it will go away.

Or these barbarians will find a new way to get our attention.

Maybe crash a plane filled with Plutonioum into a Catholic School.

They need the media to exist.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: rpm on September 23, 2004, 11:27:53 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Original topic:
Rare thread, Repubs, Dems and Libs all agreeing!(mostly) :eek:

 Rip, when something is blatantly wrong, it's pretty easy to get us to agree.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKIron on September 23, 2004, 11:44:37 AM
Making these videos available on the net may be in poor taste but it certainly aids the enemy no more than dwelling on and posting the pics from Abu Grahib in the newspapers for months. In fact, I think we see cause and effect here.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Yeager on September 23, 2004, 11:53:08 AM
Im having a fantasy right now....xronto, it doesnt look good.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 23, 2004, 12:19:49 PM
Iron, we attacked Iraq in 2003.

They had (past tense) the 4th largest army and invaded Kuwait in 1993.

Steve, yes - there hasn't been a release of definitive links to terrorism with Saddam.
-SW
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Steve on September 23, 2004, 12:25:39 PM
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yes - there hasn't been a release of definitive links to terrorism with Saddam.


So, since there has yet to be "Definitive" links, you believe that Saddam has as much to do w/ terrorism as fire does w/ water?
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKIron on September 23, 2004, 12:28:27 PM
Actually it was 1990 that Iraq invaded Kuwait SW. To ignore all the events that transpired from then to now is to be ignorant.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 23, 2004, 12:29:47 PM
Definitive, as in more than "we think"... yes, I could think you're a fudge packer - but that has as much to do with factual as my comparison illustrated.
-SW
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 23, 2004, 12:31:09 PM
I didn't. I said Iraq is a mouse. May act ballsy, but a mouse nonetheless. You said it was hardly a mouse based on 13 year old facts that are far removed from current events.
-SW
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Muckmaw1 on September 23, 2004, 12:40:17 PM
Hasn't it been proven that Saddam paid rewards to the families of Suicide Bombers in Israel?

I believe the amount was $25,000.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKIron on September 23, 2004, 12:41:43 PM
There are no current events which are not inextricably tied to historical events.

"Those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it."
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Furious on September 23, 2004, 12:45:05 PM
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Originally posted by Rude
...those who have sat comfortably here on thier all knowing tulips feel inclined to tell the rest of us how it really is...


While he was sitting here comfortably on his all knowing ass, just what exactly were you doing?  

You imply that you were not sitting on your all knowing ass, so what was it?   Oooh, were you a sniper?
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 23, 2004, 12:50:15 PM
That's what the world did to Germany after WWI, not what was going on with Iraq.
-SW
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Steve on September 23, 2004, 03:35:03 PM
.
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Definitive, as in more than "we think




Well, Saddam was paying off the families of homicide bombers.  That seems pretty definitive and is an example of ties to terrorism.  Unless, of course,  you don't feel people who detonate explosives in areas crowded w/ civilians to be terrorists
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Ripsnort on September 23, 2004, 03:39:29 PM
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Hasn't it been proven that Saddam paid rewards to the families of Suicide Bombers in Israel?

I believe the amount was $25,000.


Yes, and constantly threatened to rid Israel and the U.S. from the face of the earth as well as thumb its nose at the UN while paying blood money to UN personal...but don't let facts get in the way of WMD!
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: vorticon on September 23, 2004, 03:41:29 PM
i have the same desire to see the beheading videos, as i do to see the contents of those kiddy porn DVDs they found in vancouver.for me it suffices to be told what happened, not shown evidence.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Elfie on September 23, 2004, 03:41:38 PM
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Originally posted by Steve
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Well, Saddam was paying off the families of homicide bombers.  That seems pretty definitive and is an example of ties to terrorism.  Unless, of course,  you don't feel people who detonate explosives in areas crowded w/ civilians to be terrorists



Gotta agree with Steve on this one. Paying the families of suicide bombers is definately supporting terrorism. In this case Saddam was proud of the fact that he paid those families and didnt try to hide it.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: straffo on September 23, 2004, 04:00:32 PM
Paying the families of suicide bombers was a PR stunt made by Saddam to convince the other arabic country to protect him.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Ripsnort on September 23, 2004, 04:09:45 PM
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Originally posted by straffo
Paying the families of suicide bombers was a PR stunt made by Saddam to convince the other arabic country to protect him.

_____________________________ ___________________
LMAO!!! PR stunt eh?  Boy I bet these were PR documents too! :D:D:D

The Iraqis maintained a hierarchy of mayhem when handing out financial rewards to the families of dead terrorists. Until the Passover bombing in March, the families of suicide bombers were paid $15,000, whereas "ordinary" martyrs got $10,000. Realizing that more money meant more attacks, the Iraqis later upped the price for a "quality" suicide operation to $25,000, the equivalent of several years' wages for an average worker there. The documents show the Iraqis also distinguished between suicide bombers who successfully carried out their missions and those who blew themselves up without killing Jews. In the warped economy of terror, failure has a price greater than death.

At times, the documents have a macabre quality. In an internal memo sent from Jenin on May 9, the local Iraqi representative relays a dispute over how to classify a Nov. 27, 2001, attack against the Afula Central Bus Station in Israel. "The Arab Liberation Front representative in Jenin claims that this attack cannot be described as a suicide attack since its perpetrators did not carry explosive belts," the letter reads. The families of the two terrorists who emptied their automatic rifles into the crowd, killing two and wounding 48 persons, rejected this reasoning. "They insist that it was a suicide operation and demand that it be recognized as such in order to receive the [due] respect and financial;rights." If accepted, they will receive a "President Saddam Hussein Grant" of $25,000.

According to the captured documents, the Iraqis show a remarkable ecumenism when it comes to paying the assassins, giving equally to the families of bombers working with Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Arafat's own Fatah movement. Often the Palestinian groups themselves appeal directly for the Iraqi grants. In one such case, the Ramallah district office of Fatah issued an official declaration on June 17 certifying that one of its members successfully had carried out a suicide-bombing attack. "The Fatah movement in Ramallah and al-Bireh hereby declares that the martyr Amer Muhammad Issa Shakukani is one of the Intifada al-Aqsa martyrs, who committed suicide during a suicide attack by exploding a car bomb in the Tel Aviv area on 24 May 2002." It worked: The bomber never passed "Go" but his family collected $25,000 from their rich Uncle Saddam.

Captured bank statements of the Iraqi groups showed they had received more than $9 million in direct payments from Iraq during the last two years, with the effect of dramatically escalating the violence. In Arab press accounts, the Iraqis boasted of having spent more than twice that amount to support and promote "martyrdom" attacks.

The captured documents also make it dramatically clear that Arafat's Palestinian Authority (PA) not only winked and nodded at the Iraqi terror payments but actively encouraged them. "The Palestinian Authority, for its part, enables the Iraqi regime to freely operate in the PA areas via the Arab Liberation Front, the Palestine Liberation Front and the Ba'ath Party," an Israeli military-intelligence analysis states. "It cooperates with Iraq in providing aid to the families of killed and suicide terrorists and enables Iraq to freely disseminate the propaganda messages of the Iraqi regime [hostile to Israel and to the United States] in Palestinian society and media."
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Nash on September 23, 2004, 04:12:14 PM
Oh great...

I was wondering how Rip was going to survive with the removal of the image/link codes....

The unfortunate result: walls 'o pasted text. And still hardly an original thought to be found.

In hindsight, I like the links better.

And no Rip - I am not drunk.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: straffo on September 23, 2004, 04:18:06 PM
I'm not joking Ripsnort, Saddam can't  be seen as old supporter of the Palestinian.
He supported the suicide bomber starting in 2001 according to you.

As much as I despise this bastard I can't write he helped the Hamas of the PLO before 2000 , that would simply be false.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Ripsnort on September 23, 2004, 04:23:40 PM
Straffo, according to documents seized in Baghad....


Nash,
I'm sorry to punch you in the face with facts and data that support my position when you come to the table empty handed. I suppose you want the CIA and Pentagon to show you da money?  I think you can get these documents via the Freedom of Information act if you so choose to.  I know the nose bleed hurts so go cry to mommy.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Nash on September 23, 2004, 05:02:28 PM
To be honest Rip, I don't know what so-called "facts" you are talking about, because I never bother reading your paste jobs.

I have the sneaking suspicion that you don't read them either.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Torque on September 23, 2004, 05:15:17 PM
Govn'ts that support terrorist, isn't that a "Pot me Kettle"?

Or have you forgotten so quickly about Reagan and Nicaragua?

I read that Orlando Bosch luvs to watch the sunsets in Florida...:rolleyes:
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Saurdaukar on September 23, 2004, 10:03:33 PM
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
A liberal? Yeah, thats the ticket. What a waste of time you are.
-SW


Hey, just wanted to say youre a dick before I went to bed.  :aok
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Gixer on September 24, 2004, 12:51:50 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
To be honest Rip, I don't know what so-called "facts" you are talking about, because I never bother reading your paste jobs.

I have the sneaking suspicion that you don't read them either.



Ditto



...-Gixer
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 24, 2004, 07:13:35 AM
So wait, either I'm a dick or a liberal? Aren't liberals *******?

Or am I a dick-***** or *****-dick? I am so confused.
-SW
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: skuzzywho on September 24, 2004, 09:42:30 AM
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
So wait, either I'm a dick or a liberal? Aren't liberals *******?

Or am I a dick-***** or *****-dick? I am so confused.
-SW

C'mon skuzzy, edit this post!
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: skuzzywho on September 24, 2004, 09:43:47 AM
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Hey, just wanted to say youre a dick before I went to bed.  :aok

What about this one? Edit it too
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: skuzzywho on September 24, 2004, 09:46:51 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Straffo, according to documents seized in Baghad....


Nash,
I'm sorry to punch you in the face with facts and data that support my position when you come to the table empty handed. I suppose you want the CIA and Pentagon to show you da money?  I think you can get these documents via the Freedom of Information act if you so choose to.  I know the nose bleed hurts so go cry to mommy.


"Punch in the face" Hmmmm, this needs editing However, I do so egree with you 100%
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: skuzzywho on September 24, 2004, 09:47:46 AM
Quote
Originally posted by straffo
I'm not joking Ripsnort, Saddam can't  be seen as old supporter of the Palestinian.
He supported the suicide bomber starting in 2001 according to you.

As much as I despise this bastard I can't write he helped the Hamas of the PLO before 2000 , that would simply be false.


He said a bad word....EDIT!
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Saintaw on September 24, 2004, 09:49:19 AM
Ripsnort... you are not being funny.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Torque on September 24, 2004, 09:53:51 AM
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Ripsnort... you are not being funny.


:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Muckmaw1 on September 24, 2004, 10:03:07 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
To be honest Rip, I don't know what so-called "facts" you are talking about, because I never bother reading your paste jobs.

I have the sneaking suspicion that you don't read them either.


So you come to a debate just to listen to yourself talk but never bother to educate yourself about your opponents position?


I think you're smarter than that.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Muckmaw1 on September 24, 2004, 10:05:28 AM
Quote
Originally posted by straffo
I'm not joking Ripsnort, Saddam can't  be seen as old supporter of the Palestinian.
He supported the suicide bomber starting in 2001 according to you.

As much as I despise this bastard I can't write he helped the Hamas of the PLO before 2000 , that would simply be false.


I think just to clarify, the issue was not when Saddam supported terror. Some folks on this BBS from the left are questioning the Bush Admin. assertion that he supported terrorism at all.

I think we have settled that issue. See RIP's Wall O' Text.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Nash on September 24, 2004, 11:43:50 AM
"So you come to a debate just to listen to yourself talk but never bother to educate yourself about your opponents position?"

Of course I bother to educate myself before I open my mouth about it.  (Okay, most of the time. :) )

You should, once educated on a subject and after having formed an opinion about it, be able to express that opinion without simply throwing up walls of pasted text.

If this BBS were populated completely by Ripsnort clones, the threads would consist of nothing more than people throwing pasted text at eachother.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Rude on September 24, 2004, 04:57:52 PM
Hiyas Yeag.....hope youre doing great:)

I'm sorry Iron....will do better from now on I promise(fingers dbl crossed behind me back)
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Glas on September 24, 2004, 07:48:11 PM
Ripsnort>>  Right. Just let Saddam harbor more terrorists while continuing to flip the rest of the world the finger.

Do you know how many terrorists the US harbours in Miami?  Or is it because the US administration views them as 'Freedom fighters' that it doesnt count?  Or the terrorists in NI who were largely funded by people in the USA?  (it took a campaign by a Scottish newspaper involving Blair, Clinton and the New York mayor at the time (about 7-8 years ago) to clamp down on it.  Tin cans being rattled on 5th Avenue by Irish-Americans, on St Patrtick's day, with anti-British slogans and badges).

Ripsnort>>  That way we have no base of operation in the middle east

Ahhh, so thats what this is all about??  No, not really.  There is the small matter of the oil in Iraq, and the pipeline through Afghanistan..

Ripsnort>>  and we'll be totally blind-sided when that next attack on US soil comes.  

So you think that because of your new restrictions on people's freedoms, there are no terrorists cells operating, active and planning in the US right now?

Do you think your escapades in Iraq have removed the threat of attacks on your home soil?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not THAT stupid...

Ripsnort>>  Meanwhile, continue to build those palaces with the money that is suppose to go for food and aid to the people...Good plan!

The suffering of the Iraqi people had absolutely **** all to do with Saddam's extravagancies.  Otherwise, the US Commander in Iraq wouldnt have asked for an immediate lifting of the sanctions so he could get aid in to the country.  The place was absolutely destitute.

And dont give me any bull**** about palaces paved with gold and banks full of money.  The US has both in abundance, as well as hundreds of thousands (millions?) of homeless people, and even more without healthcare.

Glas
JG13 Lokis Kinder
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Saurdaukar on September 24, 2004, 08:25:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by skuzzywho
What about this one? Edit it too


Silence sub-human.  Skuzzy, I demand this individual be banned immediately.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Steve on September 24, 2004, 09:14:43 PM
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The US has both in abundance, as well as hundreds of thousands (millions?) of homeless people, and even more without healthcare.


Don't worry, as socialism takes hold here, those that work for their money will have much of it taken away for those who simply have their hands out.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Steve on September 24, 2004, 09:15:27 PM
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Do you think your escapades in Iraq have removed the threat of attacks on your home soil


Removed, no.  significantly reduced, yes.  Do you believe otherwise?
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Steve on September 24, 2004, 09:16:22 PM
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So you think that because of your new restrictions on people's freedoms


Please, tell me all about these restrictions since I live here and as yet haven't encountered any.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Steve on September 24, 2004, 09:18:32 PM
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The suffering of the Iraqi people had absolutely **** all to do with Saddam's extravagancies.


I refuse to believe you actually believe this until you re-emphasize it for me.  Are you saying that all the money for the Oil for Food programs went for food and none of it went in Saddam's pockets?   I need to know if you actually believe this before I respond.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Nash on September 24, 2004, 09:24:11 PM
Four consecutive posts... in a row.

Is that some kind of record here?
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Steve on September 24, 2004, 09:31:36 PM
Well, I didn't want to post them all in one post.

Hope you are having a nice evening, Nash.


:)
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Nash on September 24, 2004, 09:33:15 PM
Yeah, same 'ol... :D
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: anton on September 24, 2004, 09:36:53 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Four consecutive posts... in a row.

Is that some kind of record here?


Well, If it is, Steve was the second to do it, within THIS thread. Whoever has the new "skuzzywho" shades bbs account posted 4 in a row just before steve did.  

Are you paying attention Nash? If you cant follow the details of this simple thread, why should we value your opinion on deeper topics?

Anton
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: Nash on September 24, 2004, 09:39:48 PM
Hehe, I think I blanked out on the "scuzzywho" posts...

When I closed my eyes after reading them, it's uncanny, but I saw the word "Ripsnort" burnt into the back of my eyelids...

I must have unconsciously blocked the whole thing out.
Title: Beheading Videos obey the Law of Supply and Demand
Post by: anton on September 24, 2004, 09:45:00 PM
LOL