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Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: JBA on September 23, 2004, 02:16:20 PM
“Thank you America”

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040923/D859EB600.html

"Today, we are better off, you are better off, the world is better off without Saddam Hussein," Allawi said. He added: "Your decision to go into Iraq was not an easy one, but it was the right one."

Kerry’s response

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4509663,00.html

John Kerry said Thursday that Iraq's Ayad Allawi was sent before Congress to put the ``best face'' on Bush administration policy.

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So Alwai is just a puppet, is that what he means,
Kerry is fast becoming/became a tool, this stooge should just STFU, he'd be much better off.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Sandman on September 23, 2004, 02:25:39 PM
The Wall Street Journal (that liberal rag) recently conducted a poll:

Was removing Saddam Hussein worth the number of U.S. casualties and financial cost of the war? Worth it: 40%, Not worth it: 52%, Depends/Not sure: 8%




Yeah... certainly looks like Bush is trying to put the "best face" on it.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Maniac on September 23, 2004, 02:28:21 PM
Of course getting rid of Saddam was good! Who is arguing this?????

Lying to the world and the American citizens was bad tough.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Ripsnort on September 23, 2004, 03:35:40 PM
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Originally posted by Maniac
Of course getting rid of Saddam was good! Who is arguing this?????

Lying to the world and the American citizens was bad tough.


If you are passed bad information and you act on it, you are a liar?
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Steve on September 23, 2004, 03:36:53 PM
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"Thank you America ... for putting me in power."



Is it possible, just possible that he speaks for the majority of Iraqis?
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Maniac on September 23, 2004, 03:39:25 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If you are passed bad information and you act on it, you are a liar?


No, then your a fool that got duped.

Theres no doubt that Bush had a vandetta against Saddam and wanted the war. He could indeed have ordered "evidence" to surface.

Wag the dog.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Ripsnort on September 23, 2004, 03:40:19 PM
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Originally posted by Maniac
No, then your a fool that got duped.

Theres no doubt that Bush had a vandetta against Saddam and wanted the war. He could indeed have ordered "evidence" to surface.

Wag the dog.


There is "no doubt"?  How so?
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Steve on September 23, 2004, 03:42:23 PM
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No, then your a fool that got duped.


Russia, England, John Kerry, anyone who had an opinion on Iraq's  WMD's were fools that got duped, by your definition.

no-one... NO-ONE in politics said Iraq did not have WMD's.  Are they all fools?
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Maniac on September 23, 2004, 03:43:29 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
There is "no doubt"?  How so?


Are you reading my post wrong rip? you saying that he had no vandetta against Saddam?

After all, Saddam wanted his father killed.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Sandman on September 23, 2004, 03:44:51 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
There is "no doubt"?  How so?


Go back and read the transcripts from the Bush/Gore debates.

Dubya has had a hardon for Saddam for quite some time.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Maniac on September 23, 2004, 03:45:34 PM
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Originally posted by Steve
Russia, England, John Kerry, anyone who had an opinion on Iraq's  WMD's were fools that got duped, by your definition.

no-one... NO-ONE in politics said Iraq did not have WMD's.  Are they all fools?


Im talking about the Stockpiles of WMD and the "they can hit us in 45 minutes" stuff.

The inspectors where there. Saddam complied with them, and he didnt have any stockpiles of WMD. Or any WMD´s ready to use in 45 minutes.

And the "its a big desert" argument wont work, greed would have found em by now.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: rpm on September 23, 2004, 04:11:03 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If you are passed bad information and you act on it, you are a liar?

Let's see, Dan Rather gets bad info and runs with it. Turns out he's wrong and you call him a fool and say he needs to go. (p.s. nobody died)

On the other hand, Bush gets bad info, runs with it and he's a hero. (p.s. over 1,000 dead Americans and counting)
Title: Re: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: -MZ- on September 23, 2004, 04:13:45 PM
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Originally posted by JBA
“So Alwai is just a puppet, is that what he means,
 


Of course he is a puppet.  If he went out into the street the Iraqis would shoot him.
Title: Re: Re: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Martlet on September 23, 2004, 04:15:33 PM
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Of course he is a puppet.  If he went out into the street the Iraqis would shoot him.


Now that's one of the dumbest things I've heard a moonbat utter in awhile.

Where'd you get your information?  Moveon?
Title: Re: Re: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: rpm on September 23, 2004, 04:17:50 PM
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Of course he is a puppet.  If he went out into the street the Iraqis would shoot him.


(Insert pic of Baghdad Bob)
Democrat liberal hippie draft dodging communist lies. We are having a beach party in Baghdad and raising wildflowers in Fallujah.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: vorticon on September 23, 2004, 04:18:20 PM
so whens america hitting cuba? now that you have a "lets save the world from evil dictators" thing happening. or are you afraid of "NO WAR FOR CIGARS" propoganda
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Torque on September 23, 2004, 04:18:53 PM
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Originally posted by rpm371
Let's see, Dan Rather gets bad info and runs with it. Turns out he's wrong and you call him a fool and say he needs to go. (p.s. nobody died)

On the other hand, Bush gets bad info, runs with it and he's a hero. (p.s. over 1,000 dead Americans and counting)


That's a good point rpm.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Ripsnort on September 23, 2004, 04:21:40 PM
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Originally posted by vorticon
so whens america hitting cuba? now that you have a "lets save the world from evil dictators" thing happening. or are you afraid of "NO WAR FOR CIGARS" propoganda


Just as soon as they invade Jamaica, pay terrorists' families $25000 a piece, thumb their nose at the U.S. and U.N for 12 years..then, THEN we might invade. ;)
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: vorticon on September 23, 2004, 04:26:41 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Just as soon as they invade Jamaica, pay terrorists' families $25000 a piece, thumb their nose at the U.S. and U.N for 12 years..then, THEN we might invade. ;)


i thought the U.N. didnt matter.

theyve been thumbing there nose at the US for more than 12 years, remember there a communist country thats within modified car driving distance of the US.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: -MZ- on September 23, 2004, 04:27:03 PM
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Originally posted by Martlet
Where'd you get your information?  Moveon?


So the Iraqis selected this guy and no members of his cabinet have been assassinated?  That is a relief.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: rpm on September 23, 2004, 04:30:05 PM
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Originally posted by rpm371
Let's see, Dan Rather gets bad info and runs with it. Turns out he's wrong and you call him a fool and say he needs to go. (p.s. nobody died)

On the other hand, Bush gets bad info, runs with it and he's a hero. (p.s. over 1,000 dead Americans and counting)


Don't tell me I stumped the mighty Ripsnort. Those face punching facts sting, don't they?
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Maniac on September 23, 2004, 04:31:36 PM
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Originally posted by rpm371
Don't tell me I stumped the mighty Ripsnort.  


Seems very easy to do today. Everyone should take a shot at it today.

Hes drunk.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Ripsnort on September 23, 2004, 04:31:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by vorticon
i thought the U.N. didnt matter.

theyve been thumbing there nose at the US for more than 12 years, remember there a communist country thats within modified car driving distance of the US.

_____________________________ __________________

Comparing Cuba to Iraq. Thats quality!  When do you graduate from Berkeley U?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Martlet on September 23, 2004, 04:31:58 PM
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Originally posted by -MZ-
So the Iraqis selected this guy and no members of his cabinet have been assassinated?  That is a relief.


You didn't answer my question.  Flippant sarcasm doesn't make a plausible defense.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: -MZ- on September 23, 2004, 04:48:43 PM
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Originally posted by Martlet
Flippant sarcasm doesn't make a plausible defense.


That's all you deserve.  Everything I have said in this thread is obvious, even to Fox News viewers.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Martlet on September 23, 2004, 04:55:57 PM
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Originally posted by -MZ-
That's all you deserve.  Everything I have said in this thread is obvious, even to Fox News viewers.


Translation:

I have no sources.  I made it up.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Gunslinger on September 23, 2004, 05:11:14 PM
I heard Kerry's statements today as well.  It almost sickens me to think that he enjoys bad news from Iraq....more ammo against Bush.

Then this whole puppet thing???? C'mon....Allawi was event close to being the first choice of inerim leader but that's who made the cut.

Kerry's comments are hurtfull to the effort and he knows it.  Of course that's just his position this week.  Next week we'll here a different story.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: john9001 on September 23, 2004, 05:24:36 PM
kerry is giving aid and comfort to the enemy, just as he did during the vietnam war.

the liberals hate boosh so bad they cannot think anymore, just bash bash bash.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: rpm on September 23, 2004, 05:28:20 PM
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Originally posted by john9001
kerry is giving aid and comfort to the enemy, just as he did during the vietnam war.

the liberals hate boosh so bad they cannot think anymore, just bash bash bash.


You need to look in the mirror "Mr.Pot".
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: ramzey on September 23, 2004, 06:06:08 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If you are passed bad information and you act on it, you are a liar?


im sorry Ripsnort

in counthry where biliards are spend for intelingence and military
in country who first send man to the moon
in country where you can buy whatever you like
in country with most advenced technologies

how the hell president of such a country can have wrong information?
arent he was choosed to keep eye on every thread for US citizens?
arent he is responcibly for choose staff who will be right for inteligence job?

its good for him to make somone else responcible for all this mess
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 23, 2004, 07:51:24 PM
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Originally posted by vorticon
i thought the U.N. didnt matter.

theyve been thumbing there nose at the US for more than 12 years, remember there a communist country thats within modified car driving distance of the US.


Well then I think they should all get in their cars and drive the distance and try to blow us up

Maybe not. The ones in old VW bugs just might make it LMAOI
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 23, 2004, 08:10:38 PM
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Originally posted by ramzey
im sorry Ripsnort

in counthry where biliards are spend for intelingence and military
in country who first send man to the moon
in country where you can buy whatever you like
in country with most advenced technologies

how the hell president of such a country can have wrong information?
arent he was choosed to keep eye on every thread for US citizens?
arent he is responcibly for choose staff who will be right for inteligence job?

its good for him to make somone else responcible for all this mess


this whole "Bush lied" claim is so lame already its rediculous. Makes for  propoganda but thats about it.

Lets not forget that Kerry along with a host of others being a member of the senate intellegence commitee had access to alot of the same info that Bush did.

Oh and So did Clinton. and a whole host of other Democrat's who while Clinton was in office were all Gung ho about going into Iraq.
Point is. if Bush lied. Then they ALL lied because they ALL said he had WMDs and he needed to be dealt with.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: vorticon on September 23, 2004, 08:12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
_______________________________________________

Comparing Cuba to Iraq. Thats quality!  When do you graduate from Berkeley U?


_____________________________ _

wow...we are getting sarcastic...i wasnt comparing cuba to iraq, i was just pointing out that if your gonna go on the war path against evil dictators, you might as well clean up your back yard first (or second in this case)
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Steve on September 23, 2004, 09:01:09 PM
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Saddam complied with them,



WRONG..  try again, buckwheat.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Steve on September 23, 2004, 09:03:09 PM
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If he went out into the street the Iraqis would shoot him.


By this do you mean the general populace?  You're easy to fool if you believe what they show on the news in Iraq as far as violence and protests are the general populace and not the minority.  then again, you've never done or said anything on these boards to make me believe you aren't a complete jakkasse.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: ramzey on September 23, 2004, 09:50:41 PM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
this whole "Bush lied" claim is so lame already its rediculous. Makes for  propoganda but thats about it.

Lets not forget that Kerry along with a host of others being a member of the senate intellegence commitee had access to alot of the same info that Bush did.

Oh and So did Clinton. and a whole host of other Democrat's who while Clinton was in office were all Gung ho about going into Iraq.
Point is. if Bush lied. Then they ALL lied because they ALL said he had WMDs and he needed to be dealt with.


yes it is propaganda, i was belive in words they said on this UN session where Powell show horrible stuff used to kill people.
But now i realise this kind of devices you can find in every country who care about thier own security.
Are you denny to anyone be ready to defence? im not
Bush goverment convince us Iraq is threat for all world . He show him as secound hitler and that was not true.
Most of countries have WMD since ww1!!
If we like to take care of all dictators on the world, US carriers wil never back to homeports. But strangeness of politics is,  one mass murders and dictators are "friendly" for us, other are threat and need to be bring back to good way ;)
Bush convince us saddam cooperate with terrorists, wichone was not true. He did not support official any terrrorist group. On his possition and with all the time eyes on him , he need to be stupid to play with them. Hard to call somone stupid if he held in one hand whole nation by 30 years.

So, all what i heore lately in news is "good we get ride of Saddam". Yes its good we get ride of one of SOB but, on his place come couple more. Who murder allien civilians, who hunt for our troops. We become more evil for muslim world, we are more fear about tommorow.
I will say Clinton way to bomb iraq time to time was much healther for our troops and our pockets.
Its not first gov and not last established by US special services.
But we need to remember, noone of them survive long time or not turn against US after some time.


Please not forget its happend on Bush watch, not on Clinton and not on Kerry.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: RTSigma on September 23, 2004, 10:03:57 PM
To be honest, what has been gained since invading Iraq.

Saddams out of power, great, terrorism hasn't stopped.

No WMDs.

Gas is STILL expensive.

No Osama.

U.S. Soldiers and innocent civillians STILL dying.

Soldiers going past their tour of duty time, not being able to go home to their families.



I just want to hear one good thing since we got into Iraq.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: rpm on September 23, 2004, 10:40:01 PM
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Originally posted by RTSigma
To be honest, what has been gained since invading Iraq.

Saddams out of power, great, terrorism hasn't stopped.

No WMDs.

Gas is STILL expensive.

No Osama.

U.S. Soldiers and innocent civillians STILL dying.

Soldiers going past their tour of duty time, not being able to go home to their families.



I just want to hear one good thing since we got into Iraq.

"Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended." - President George W. Bush 1 May 2003
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: RTSigma on September 23, 2004, 10:56:01 PM
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Originally posted by rpm371
"Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended." - President George W. Bush 1 May 2003



What he should have put in at the end of his quote:

".....for the rest of the day."
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: JBA on September 23, 2004, 10:58:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Maniac
No, then your a fool that got duped.

Theres no doubt that Bush had a vandetta against Saddam and wanted the war. He could indeed have ordered "evidence" to surface.

Wag the dog.


Why O why do i have to keep posting this.
they all belived he had WMD

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destrution and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: RTSigma on September 23, 2004, 11:46:44 PM
I'm sure the discovery of empty septic tanks and rat poison as well as having a bearded Saddam out of power is well worth the amount of casulties in both military and civillian that has been suffered in Iraq since arriving there.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Sandman on September 23, 2004, 11:53:47 PM
More on the excuse presidency... never wrong... never responsible... never to blame...


It's Clinton's fault. :rolleyes:
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 24, 2004, 12:35:34 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ramzey
Bush goverment convince us Iraq is threat for all world .

 He show him as secound hitler and that was not true.
Most of countries have WMD since ww1!!

Bush convince us saddam cooperate with terrorists, wichone was not true. He did not support official any terrrorist group. On his possition and with all the time eyes on him , he need to be stupid to play with them.
 Hard to call somone stupid if he held in one hand whole nation by 30 years.
Please not forget its happend on Bush watch, not on Clinton and not on Kerry.


IT was.

He was ( I Dont remember any other dictator Gassing his own people by the tens of thousands)

There arent too many Dictators that "officially" support terrorist groups. ESPECIALLY with US warplanes flying overhead

Your right it did happen on Bush's watch.
Only because Clinton as was typical of Clinton lacked the grapes to do anything about it.
Kerry is a non issue as he hasnt done anything about anything since nam and isnt yet in the position to have had a "watch"
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 24, 2004, 12:42:48 AM
"Why O why do i have to keep posting this.
they all belived he had WMD "

JBA, thank you. I've been looking for that.
Someone I know IRL is about to eat her words in a major way
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: rpm on September 24, 2004, 04:50:11 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
He was ( I Dont remember any other dictator Gassing his own people by the tens of thousands)

There arent too many Dictators that "officially" support terrorist groups. ESPECIALLY with US warplanes flying overhead

Your right it did happen on Bush's watch.
Only because Clinton as was typical of Clinton lacked the grapes to do anything about it.
Kerry is a non issue as he hasnt done anything about anything since nam and isnt yet in the position to have had a "watch"

If anybody lacked the grapes, it was GHWB. He pulled up short and created this whole mess. He could have supported the Iraqi people that wanted Saddam out in 1991. Instead he let Saddam kill 50,000 of them and force another 1 million to become refugees. All of this while Bush was telling them to rise up and defeat Saddam. They begged for help and Big Daddy Bush did squat.

Blame that on Clinton.
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 24, 2004, 08:13:49 AM
Quote
Originally posted by rpm371
If anybody lacked the grapes, it was GHWB. He pulled up short and created this whole mess. He could have supported the Iraqi people that wanted Saddam out in 1991. Instead he let Saddam kill 50,000 of them and force another 1 million to become refugees. All of this while Bush was telling them to rise up and defeat Saddam. They begged for help and Big Daddy Bush did squat.


On THAT point you and I are in total agreement.
Thought so then. Still think so now.

I understand why he did it. I just dont agree with it
Title: Allawi said “Thank you America”
Post by: Maniac on September 24, 2004, 08:18:11 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JBA
Why O why do i have to keep posting this.
they all belived he had WMD

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destrution and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.


Thats only quotes from Americans :lol
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Post by: DREDIOCK on September 24, 2004, 08:38:43 AM
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Originally posted by Maniac
Thats only quotes from Americans :lol


thats cause we're the only country that matters :rofl
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Post by: Mighty1 on September 24, 2004, 09:46:16 AM
Is it a full moon out or what?

All the liberal nutcases are out ranting their normal BS "Bush lied Bush is evil Bush is a moron  Kerry is good Clinton is a GOD".

I'm getting tired of hearing the same lies(or in some of your cases deluded truths) and mis-information that are debunked over and over.

Man listening to you guys would make the Pope want to commit suicide!
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Post by: Torque on September 24, 2004, 09:46:55 AM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK


He was ( I Dont remember any other dictator Gassing his own people by the tens of thousands)

"


And during the Anfal Campaign Saddam's biggest ally was Reagan.

Btw the only country to date that has been condemned by the World Court for international terrorism is?
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Post by: Maniac on September 24, 2004, 09:49:25 AM
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Originally posted by Mighty1
Is it a full moon out or what?

All the liberal nutcases are out ranting their normal BS "Bush lied Bush is evil Bush is a moron  Kerry is good Clinton is a GOD".

I'm getting tired of hearing the same lies(or in some of your cases deluded truths) and mis-information that are debunked over and over.

Man listening to you guys would make the Pope want to commit suicide!


Who is saying that Kerry is good?
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Post by: skuzzywho on September 24, 2004, 10:02:39 AM
Stop defending Saddam, his country is the HQ for terrorist. Remember, the ones that crashes two planes in the world trade center towers and murdered a few thousand people?

Bush did the right thing by invading Iraq, WMD or not he crippled the terrorist HQs. Pull the troops out of Iraq and fuel the terrorist that already, and still live in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Americans are naive.
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Post by: CyranoAH on September 24, 2004, 10:03:36 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I'm voting Conan O'Brien.

Well, he's not running for president, but I can't vote anyway, so there

Daniel
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Post by: Steve on September 24, 2004, 10:52:02 AM
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Americans are naive.


Blow me.
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Post by: RTSigma on September 24, 2004, 12:15:09 PM
Crippled terrorist HQs?!? Tell that to the families of soldiers and civillians that either get kidnapped or blown up in suicide attacks.
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Post by: Martlet on September 24, 2004, 12:17:13 PM
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Originally posted by RTSigma
Crippled terrorist HQs?!? Tell that to the families of soldiers and civillians that either get kidnapped or blown up in suicide attacks.


When was the last time you had an Al Qaeda attack in Homewood, IL?
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Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on September 24, 2004, 12:23:29 PM
I have a rock that keeps panthers away.

Haven't ever seen any panthers.
-SW
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Post by: Thrawn on September 29, 2004, 10:47:36 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If you are passed bad information and you act on it, you are a liar?



Many times he stated probabilities about WMD as definates. The US intelligence services qualified their analysis of Iraq as such.

Bush took that info and said Iraq had WMD, not Iraq probably had WMD. That's misleading and a lie. He also said that two possible mobile WMD labs were WMD. No only would those labs have not been WMD, but they turned out not to be WMD labs at all.


Rip, if you told me that you probably were going to the con, and I then told someone else that you definately were going to the con, would you consider that to be the truth, or a lie?
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Post by: NUKE on September 29, 2004, 10:57:32 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn

Rip, if you told me that you probably were going to the con, and I then told someone else that you definately were going to the con, would you consider that to be the truth, or a lie?


What if everyone, all the experts you could find,  told you that your house was going to collapse  and told you to move out or you might die.

You tell your family that you have to move because the house was going to collapse. You move out of your house and your house never falls. Would you have lied to your family?
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Post by: Thrawn on September 29, 2004, 11:30:27 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
What if everyone, all the experts you could find,  told you that your house was going to collapse  and told you to move out or you might die.



Analogy breaks down.  The experts didn't say, "Your house is going to collapse.".  


They said, "Based on our previsous infomation it's probable your house has terminites.".


Then Bush said, "The house is going to collapse.".  

which = lie
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Post by: NUKE on September 29, 2004, 11:34:01 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Analogy breaks down.  The experts didn't say, "Your house is going to collapse.".  

They said, "Based on our previsous infomation it's probable your house has terminites.".


Okay, lets say the experts all said your house probably would collapse in 45 days. You tell your family and move your family but your house never collapses. Did you lie to your family?