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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zanth on September 23, 2004, 06:20:40 PM
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So far this tour
#1 Panzer 60855 kills, the king
#2 Ship Gunner 18914 kills
#3 Ostwind 17886 kills
and the #4 killer in AH (and the highest ranking aircraft)
is the La-7 with 16805 kills (only 28% as many kills as the Panzer).
http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/totalstats.php
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What's the current k/d of the chute? That chute is evil I tell ya.
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chute 878 kills - people being more careful while driving panzers I guess :)
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shouldn't the subject title read, "Dweebs Low Most Suckessful" ?
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What an absolutely sad comment it is about the state of the game.
Aces Low takes over
Dan/Slack
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You obviously haven't sat next to AKCurly after he ate chili.
NUTTZ
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Originally posted by Guppy35
What an absolutely sad comment it is about the state of the game.
Aces Low takes over
Dan/Slack
seconded.
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What an absolutely sad comment it is about the state of the game.
Yup, couldn't agree more.
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Originally posted by Urchin
seconded.
Thirded :(
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Originally posted by Elfie
Thirded :(
Fourthed? :confused:
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Fitting for a game that is touted as a sim, since more aircraft have always died to ground fire than air to air.
Aircraft attacking well defended ground targets will suffer high losses from AAA no matter how good the pilots are. Whereas air to air combat is far more dependent on pilot skills.
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Right... :)
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Originally posted by Zanth
So far this tour
#1 Panzer 60855 kills, the king
#2 Ship Gunner 18914 kills
#3 Ostwind 17886 kills
and the #4 killer in AH (and the highest ranking aircraft)
is the La-7 with 16805 kills (only 28% as many kills as the Panzer).
http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/totalstats.php
Well there goes the arguement that AH is an "Air combat simulation" Only
The Game is evolving and will continue to do so.
This may not be a bad thing the more diverce you are the more attactive you become to different markets
And HTC is doing it. intentionally or not one step at a time.
Pretty smart moving in my opinion.
Dont see it as a detrement ot the game at all.
Flyboys will still be able to fly. Groundhogs will still be able to groundhog.
Everyone gets the option of a change of pace without going to another game.
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you see it as "diversification", I see it as *****fication. People that can't hack it in planes jump in a manned ack, or a flak*****.. pretty disgusting I think.
Give it about a year, manned ack/ 5 inch guns will be leading the kill lists... you never have to "die" in those.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Give it about a year, manned ack/ 5 inch guns will be leading the kill lists... you never have to "die" in those.
Thanks for bringing that up Urch,
I always wondered why you did not die when you was killed in a ship gun or ack....Why not award the kill to the individual that bombed or strafed the Ship gun or the Ack?
I mean really, you are killing ( disposing of) another individual if it is manned? could this be programmed into the COAD?
I am sure the systm knows the difference in and AI ack/ship flak verses a manned ack or ship gun/ship flak, don't it?
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Well, you all need to keep in mind that the lack of competition in the tank, AA GV and the unified gunner stats are perforce going to be higher than any given aircraft.
Try totaling fighter kills and see how that looks next to the Panzer IV H. That would be a much more realistic view.
If there were 40+ models of tanks in AH you wouldn't see the Panzer IV H with 60,000+ kills.
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For some reason I'm derving Panzer IV in AH2 a lot, I never drove the things before. At first it was just because my hat switch was broken which made flying difficuklt but even with a new joystick I still like tanks more now. Maybe I'm just burnt out with planes?
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Originally posted by streakeagle
Fitting for a game that is touted as a sim, since more aircraft have always died to ground fire than air to air.
Aircraft attacking well defended ground targets will suffer high losses from AAA no matter how good the pilots are. Whereas air to air combat is far more dependent on pilot skills.
It' touted as a flight sim, not a general war sim. Kinda sad that in a flight sim a tank has the most kills.
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Add up all osty, all panzer, all m16, all tiger kills, okay? Then add up ALL p51B/D n1k2 190A/F/D 109E/F/G La5/7 p47d-11/25/40 p38 f4f/fm2 f6f f4u1/d/c/-u4 hurr1/2 spit 1/5/9/14 typh/temp etc etc etc etc etc etc
And you will see that the tank kills are LITERALLY a small fraction of the entire GV kills, methinks.
Okay, so who's willing to prove me right? Who wants to sit and add up all those numbers for us?
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Originally posted by Blammo
Fourthed? :confused:
Who Fourthed?:D
I gotta agree, it sounds alot more accurate as Aces Low. Aces Horde is even more accurate.
The real sad part is that its still the best show in town (basically still the only show in town). I personally hope that there will be some serious competition for AH out there, I say that because I dont like what the game has become with its huge player base and mass minded mentality. Perhaps some competition would be healthy?
I was one of the guys who stayed with AW till they pulled the plug, there was a real fun period when alot of guys left for AH beta & first version, and AW3 was still up & had about half the players it had at full strength, it was alot of fun for about 2 months, for me anyway.
Anton
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
For some reason I'm derving Panzer IV in AH2 a lot, I never drove the things before. At first it was just because my hat switch was broken which made flying difficuklt but even with a new joystick I still like tanks more now. Maybe I'm just burnt out with planes?
If your enjoying tanks have you tried out the ground war in WW2OL?
...-Gixer
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1405076#post1405076
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Fact is : the panzer battles in AH2 and Warbirds suck compared with wwiionline.
Otoh air battles in wwIIonline suck.
Did my service as tank platoon commander
in 3 different tank designs.
2 with turret and 1 without.
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Originally posted by Gixer
If your enjoying tanks have you tried out the ground war in WW2OL?
...-Gixer
Nope, dont want to take on another game now.
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Originally posted by save
Fact is : the panzer battles in AH2 and Warbirds suck compared with wwiionline.
Otoh air battles in wwIIonline suck.
Did my service as tank platoon commander
in 3 different tank designs.
2 with turret and 1 without.
You were Strv103 crew?
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Originally posted by Blammo
Fourthed? :confused:
Pleads the Fifth :D
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Originally posted by Urchin
you see it as "diversification", I see it as *****fication. People that can't hack it in planes jump in a manned ack, or a flak*****.. pretty disgusting I think.
Give it about a year, manned ack/ 5 inch guns will be leading the kill lists... you never have to "die" in those.
Yup just keep it all planes!
Another year, ya should have well over 50 players in the MA.
Not that people are leaving now or anything.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You were Strv103 crew?
Heh I saw Bofors' sales vid in... err... maybe 80s; pretty neat little tank with a powerfull gun. Did some fancy moves with its suspension too :D
Edit: Tip (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/strv103.jpg) for those who wonder what I meant by "fancy moves" (pun intended).
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Yep strv 103 (s-tank)
101 (centurion)
ikv 91 (light tank)
Also done some shooting with leopard 2
- awesome tank.
/save
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Actually the land grab is moving to the realm of the GV's as it should really.
I quite like the idea that there is a ground war under me whilst having fun in the skies.
Its a pity that to "land grab" GV's have to attack air fields..........
Whilst there are locally quite often inbalances of numbers I do not think that GV numbers up set air borne game play other than their contribution to airfield attrition and the OTT ability of the MKIV pintle gun.
btw any one notice which ac consistantly hands the la7 its bellybutton (plane v plane) month on month?
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Originally posted by Tilt
btw any one notice which ac consistantly hands the la7 its bellybutton (plane v plane) month on month?
f4u-1c
fw190d-9
typhoon
all 3 have a consistently positive k/d vs the la-7. in no small part due to the nature of the pilots who fly those 3... cherrypickers who have as good an ability to run (to ack in case of chog) as they claim la7's do.
109g-10 is about even.
fw190a-5 also runs fairly even.
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The large number of GV kills are being influenced by the length of time we have been on this map. 75% of these Panzer kills are coming from Tank Town(Tank Valley, Tank Field, whatever you want to call it now)
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Originally posted by Urchin
..................... manned ack/ 5 inch guns will be leading the kill lists... you never have to "die" in those.
Its a valid point IMO............. there should be "consequences" for "dieing" in a ship/land gunner position just as there should for dieing when gunning an ac.
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Originally posted by Urchin
you see it as "diversification", I see it as *****fication. People that can't hack it in planes jump in a manned ack, or a flak*****.. pretty disgusting I think.
Give it about a year, manned ack/ 5 inch guns will be leading the kill lists... you never have to "die" in those.
I think I do just fine in aircraft.
but sometimes I feel like a change of pace. or I plain get bored with flying.
so then I'll jump in a tank. Even for defence against aircraft inasmuch as I seem to be able to kill more plains with the main gun on my Tank then I can in a FP.
Or I just go on GV attack/defence. I've been involved with some great GV battles that were every bit as fun as the best dogfights I've been in.
Like I said I do it as a change of pace or when I get bored with flying.
If you dont like GVs dont up i them,. simple as that. Your choice do do what you like or feel like doing.
Some folks here only do Gvs and rarely go up in aircraft. And thats their choice.
I dont see the problem with either other then there are some people who will always have the attitude of
"You dont play the game MY way so therefore you are a dweeb"
But those type people have probably been around longer then GVs have.
And like the GVs they aint going anywhere.
So we have threee choices. We can accept it, Do something else.
Or just moan about it.
Either way they are here for good
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A classic example of statistics being able to prove anything.
As Karnak says,
Try totaling fighter kills and see how that looks next to the Panzer IV H. That would be a much more realistic view.
Think of it this way: the LA-7 has 17% of the total kills of panzer, ostie and ack combined, and is only 1 of fifty or so aircraft.
Are you lot seriously bemoaning the fact that people are not upping from a 20 plane field cap/vulch - but instead roll an ostie and try and do something about it? Or for a change of pace chose to play hide and seek in things with big guns?
Total Aircraft Kills : 218901
Total GV, Guns and Boat : 117678
Aircraft have 65% of all kills in AH2
GV's have 35% of all kills in AH2
The current "big 5" (no spitIX or ponyD) have only a few more kills than the panzer: 65158
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Or I just go on GV attack/defence. I've been involved with some great GV battles that were every bit as fun as the best dogfights I've been in.
Like I said I do it as a change of pace or when I get bored with flying.
Man I agree, I think some of the most fun I have had in this game, were battles involving large numbers of both GVs and planes.
Great stuff!
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Originally posted by Shane
f4u-1c
fw190d-9
typhoon
all 3 have a consistently positive k/d vs the la-7. in no small part due to the nature of the pilots who fly those 3... cherrypickers who have as good an ability to run (to ack in case of chog) as they claim la7's do.
109g-10 is about even.
fw190a-5 also runs fairly even.
Well, of those 3, 2 are typically the most timidly flown hands down (Tiffie, Dorun), and 1 is usually only flown in hordes anyway.
G-10 runs about even I'd expect because the planes slightly worse, but typically the pilots are much better, A5's the same way.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Try totaling fighter kills and see how that looks next to the Panzer IV H. That would be a much more realistic view.
Ahhh... I was wondering if anyone else thought those stats were more than misleading instead of just whining about people playing "Aces Low" :rolleyes:
Everytime we have the map with TankTown, panzer kills and deaths go through the roof. Now that maps aren't rolling until a reset occurs, we are stuck with these "odd" stats even longer.
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Originally I posted because I was surprised at the numbers and had not drawn any conclusions one way or the other yet. (Now I am actually more surprised nobody brought up spawn camping - which is where I reckon 80% of tank kills originate.)
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While an interesting statistic, it is not valid for the argument that is being proported by so many. There isnt a choice of 50 types of tanks...you have ONE tank...and ONE perk tank.....now divide that number of kills by 15-20 (the number of regularly flown aircraft types, and you get a slightly more accurate view.
Now you need to factor in the rampant spawn camping. There is no airplane equivilent to sitting in one spot for hours, piclking off anyone who happens by.
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Originally posted by Zanth
Originally I posted because I was surprised at the numbers and had not drawn any conclusions one way or the other yet. (Now I am actually more surprised nobody brought up spawn camping - which is where I reckon 80% of tank kills originate.)
Well... tank town = spawn camping. :p
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Im in for the fun...used to be in planes but they seem boring for the most part due to overall dweebiness of most ma pilots..gvs are fun..i aint gonna get any better in planes unless i consistently fight a better opponent. .Il2 is my latest toy...this is all subject to change though
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Panzer IV is ride of choice...
Second would probably be the IL2 or JU88...
I've become interested in the Ground War since the advent of AH2. I feel that driving a Panzer or providing Close Air Support with the IL2 is more rewarding then getting my but handed to me when I fly fighters.
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The Ground game is more fun.
1) It often turns into a one-on-one fight of stalking and ambushing instead of the stupid hordes inthe air.
2) The GV drivers are devising better tactics and the co-ordination is some of the most fun in the game.
I am seeing gv's as the major force to capture bases, at least in rookland. There are GV missions with 40 signups. It's a lot of fun. With a little co-ordination from the flyboys its a hard combo to beat.
What I love about the GV game is what I hate about the Air game. On the ground, its mano-a- mano in the air its almost all horde and gang warfare. There is no affirmation of ablity, skill or courage. When you engage and before you can maneuver for the kill you just get slaughtered by the next 5 that show up.
The Air Sim stinks. Until it get fixed "All your base belong to us".
signed
The Ground Hogs