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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Muckmaw1 on September 24, 2004, 08:24:48 AM
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Who is advising this guy?
It sounds like Clinton's people have firm control over his campaign now.
It's nothing but shrill *****ing from Kerry.
And he's not Howard Dean, but he sure is trying to sound like him. This angle of attack is not his forte.
I don't think 100% attack mode is going to work for him.
He is being very ill-advised.
Now his wife is getting in on the act. She is the definition of an annoying b*tch and this angle seems to make her appear more so.
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I believe that he feels he has nothing to lose at this point. Sorta like making us all sit and wait while they recount a states votes 4 times.
lazs
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I think James Carville is pulling the strings now and he is pretty loud mouthed and obnoxious.
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Saw James Carville on The O'Reilly Factor the other night and he swears he has nothing to do with Kerry's campaign.
But he also said he didn't send Bill a letter asking for money for the Kerry campaign and only laughed and said he didn't remember doing it when Bill showed him the letter with Carville's letterhead.
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About time he really took the gloves off. The only disapointing thing to me was how long it took for him to do it.
It's working.
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Took the gloves off?!
When was the last time the Democrats even knew what a glove WAS?
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Heh, the exact same kind of response as the time I complained that Kerry wasn't doing this.
Yet, if his gloves were off back then, and indeed have always been off, why all of this new moaning about it now?
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I guess everytime they sink to a new low it's considered "Taking off the gloves" ?
OK fine...how many gloves do they wear then? Is there a limit to how many times they "Take off the gloves"?
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Maybe, but we're not there yet. :)
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He doesn't realize that he is making himself look worse and worse? The polls alone should make it obvious, even to him.
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It just started this week. The jury is still out.
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No, Kerry has been doing the same thing since before his convention.
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Not exactly, no... I would say....
This week marks the beginning of a change. It's clear as day to me, and if this thread is any eveidence, others are noticing it too.
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It is because until last week, the normal media was trying to hide it, not punt it to the forefront.
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That's part of it. Kerry was getting buried in memogate and swifties. It was taking over.
It's not any more, because I think the press are tired of the periphery stuff. I don't expect that type of clutter to again become the focus in quite the same way as it did this summer.
It's on to real issues, and today. Not swifties and 30 years ago.
Which cannot be good for Bush.
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Then why are the polls moving his way? The general population does not like to see their President abused, even if they disagree with his policies. Added to the fact that Kerry is so obviously wrong (well, he is right and wrong, he can't decide his stance), it is bad news for him to do what he is doing.
he should be out there speaking in facts, with a clear and consistant meassage. He is not, has not and will not.
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Again, it's a bit early to be evaluating Kerry's new approach by looking at the polls.
However, I think the polls are telling a different story than you would have. I think the shift is working, and if you can't see the change clearly in the polls now, you should have no problem seeing it quite shortly, I believe.
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Early?
The election is 40 days off and NOW he's taking off the gloves?
Nash, I saw no change in the polls this week to favor Kerry. Last article I read said Bush was shoring up support among male voters and that Kerry was pulling his commercials in several states they no longer believe they can compete in.
Sounds to me like desperation is setting in.
The only thing that can save Kerry would be the debates. He's got 3 chances to pull it out.
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The debates are going to be huge - no doubt.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
It sounds like Clinton's people have firm control over his campaign now
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He is being very ill-advised.
Makes perfect sense. The last thing Clintons want is Kerry to win.
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True if Hillary is to run in 2008 Kerry must lose.
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nash... the democrats are simply desperate and pulling out all the stops... the two or three big things they counted on were things like moore and the cbs story and other trash that backfired... they shot their dirty tricks wad and got caught in every one of em...
kerrie was trying his hardest to run on 1972 and it didn't sell but... he had no choice... he has nothing else to run on... he can say he knows how to run the country better and lay out plans but as a senator.... he was a do nothing no show with conflicting or go along policies when he could even bother to show up...
the dems blew it depending too much on an "anyone but Bush" platform.
lazs
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lol - I saw footage of an interview dated December 11,2001 of John Kerry done by O'Reily. Oh man - how I wish I taped it....
or could find some multimedia link to it.
Complety 180 degrees of what he's saying now in all of his attacks.
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Lazs - that's what you think.
(In otherwords, what's your point? You tend to thow several hundred unrelated things into a single post, and it makes picking out the thing that you're actually trying to get at very difficult).
"Anyone but Bush" vs "Bush or Die"?
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Kerry is not only a wishy-washy flake, he is stupid to boot. He is on record as saying the exact opposite of everything he is saying today about Iraq. People know this, and will come to know it in depth as they pay more attention closer to the vote.
As a leader you must be consistant. That is not to say that your attitude can not change, but when when it does on something as major as going to war, you better lay out the reasons, and lay them out clearly. "Bush has done everything wrong" is not an explanation, or a platform.
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Okay, here's where the typical "Kerry-Is-A-Poo-Poo-Head" swarm begins... Have fun and don't break anything.
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Nope, I mean it literally. He is doing things that are dumb. Let me ask you this, Nash. What do you know about his term as Mass. DA? Why is he not using that?
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Instead of talking himself up, he makes himself look stupid. Here he is on National TV, 7 years ago.
"We know we can't count on the French. We know we can't count on the Russians," said Mr. Kerry. "We know that Iraq is a danger to the United States, and we reserve the right to take pre-emptive action whenever we feel it's in our national interest."
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As a junior senator, there really isn't anything very impressive that one is able to point to. I accept that. What can he do about it? Point to some mind-blowing senatorial moves? They're not particularly impressive.
When Dole ran, he didn't talk much at all about his role in the Senate. Cuz it's boring and complicated and at the end of the day you can't take credit for anything that dozens of people do together.
I mean, the "I spear-headed the creation of legislation that...." is a drag.
Why isn't he talking about it more? I think it's because he'd rather not bore everyone to death.
You might be blaming him for it, but I sure aint.
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I didn't say Senator, although that is a whole different issue, I said DA. edit-I should have said prosecutor. He was also Lt. Gov., and a four term Senator is not "junior" by any means.
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Why isn't he talking about it more? I think it's because he'd rather not bore everyone to death.
I think you made Lizking's point for him.
If his record is not worth talking about then why is he running for President?
Their records are ALL we should be talking about. Not one or the others but BOTH!
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Huh?
Junior/Senior doesn't have anything to do with how long you've served in the Senate. Each state has two Senators. The senior Senator is the one that has served the longest of the two Senators for that state. Kennedy is the Sr. Senator.
As to why Kerry isn't talking up his prosecution career, who knows? It was a successful one. But he probably thinks people care more about what's going on today. Okay, well not all people, it seems.
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I care about his record, and how it relates to what he will do. If the best he has is that he will do things more better, then he isn't saying anything.
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Nash,
He's not a junior Senator, and you should blame him for not leveraging his 20 years of experience in Senior Political circles.
On Letterman, he stated that Bush was handling the current Iraq situation all wrong...OK, I really can't argue with that. So Letterman asks him what he would do different. Kerry said I don't know. I don't know what I'll find on Jan. 20th. He sure knows what not to do though. Plus, he's a senior senator on the intelligence committe. He should know what he would see on Jan. 20th.
I'm not a Bush is my guy voter. So don't go there with me on that. But I'm damn dissapointed in how Kerry is going about this. Not because I want Kerry, but because I want better than this for my choices! This is the best these guys can do? Cripes I'm pissed about that, I can tell you.
Also, his rank within the Mass Senate delegation is not what makes him senior. It's his tenure in the Senate. Because of his tenure he gets the good committee selections and seats. And you are wrong, he does not think people care more about today, as evidenced by his whole focus on his service 30 years ago, yes, he helped keep that in the forefront.
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Yeah, we get to choose either Bush or Kerry.
Like choosing what you'd like more, diarrhea or constipation.
-SW
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Mighty - the record is there. Anyone can have a look-see.
Talking over and over about your twenty years in the senate is just not a good campaign strategy, however.
Ya see... He tried that. "I voted for it before I...."
What happened? He got trounced because of people's innability to understand the complexities of legislation. That if you REALLY wanted to get money to the troops, you shouldn't attach things to the bill which may kill it.
Same goes for every time legislation is drawn up - you can read into if from any one of 100 angles. Best just to let the record reflect where you stand, and talk about the issues concerning people right now.
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nash... surely "100 topics" is a bit of a stretch? admit it.... kerrie really is a pooh head... Bush isn't a whole lot better but he is predictable and will comprimise and he does get things done...
now... the real meat of the thing is... as an ameristalker and staunch socialist.... you like kerrie for nothing other than he is the most liberal socialist in the race.... These are the same reasons (as and actual American) that I dislike him.
other than that.... that, and the fact that I will be able to vote and you won't....
the rest is background noise.
lazs
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"Nash,
He's not a junior Senator..."
Yeah, he is.
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No he isn't.
You're playing a semantics game here and you know it.
Plus, I lived in Mass. from '85 to '02. I think I know about his senate situation a tad bit better than you.
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Background noise?!
Ya don't say... Welcome to the world of BBS's.
(you thought our political discussions have impact?)
But, background noise is can be cute and fund too!
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Oh man... Stringer....
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Originally posted by Nash
Huh?
Junior/Senior doesn't have anything to do with how long you've served in the Senate. Each state has two Senators. The senior Senator is the one that has served the longest of the two Senators for that state. Kennedy is the Sr. Senator.
As to why Kerry isn't talking up his prosecution career, who knows? It was a successful one. But he probably thinks people care more about what's going on today. Okay, well not all people, it seems.
Kerry isnt briniging up his old government service record because he has none, execpt the 4 momths swit boat thing. Yoiu know thius too Nash, and pretty much admitted to it by not answering some simpl questions beyon saying that Kerry is yiour soulmate because you minds are so alike...
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Originally posted by Nash
Oh man...
Oh man, what?
You took the same position against Grun when Rolex pulled it. Which btw, I agreed with you on that.
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nash... ok.. so we agree on "background noise"... good start.
you would defend satan himself if you thought he would make America more liberal socialist..
I would defend satan himself if I thought he would keep us from being more liberal socialist.
in the end... I get to vote on it.... you don't.
lazs
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They only hear the "SNAP" of the glove, just before it removes all the Bull**** they were fed.
NUTTZ
(why did i post this?)
Originally posted by Mighty1
Took the gloves off?!
When was the last time the Democrats even knew what a glove WAS?
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Stringer, go home tonight and watch the news. I bet at least once you will hear the words "The Junior Senator from Massachusetts..."
This is semantics? Maybe it's more like you didn't know how the Senate works.
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Nash is right, Kerry is the Junior Senator from Mass because he has served less time than than the other current Mass Senator Kennedy...
Still Kerry is a putz who accomplihed almost nothing memorable in his 20 year Senate career..
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He is the Junior Senator from Mass, but he is NOT a Junior Senator, if that makes sense.
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Ya see... He tried that. "I voted for it before I...."
So his record means nothing because we are to stupid to understand....right?
Bush's record is simple so he's fair game ...right?
The problem is I DO understand.
I understand Kerry stands for whom ever he is talking to at the time.
I understand Bush stands by what he says right or wrong .
I've said all along I'm not a Bush fan but so far Kerry and the Demos haven't shown me anything better.
This election as last I won't be voting FOR Bush but against his unworthy opponent.
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Yeah Nash, that must be it, I don't know how my government's Senate works.
Oh man.
It is semantics. He has 20 years in the Senate. He's not a first term guy. His years worth of tenure make him a Senator with more power then most other Senators. His position as a Senator from Mass. that counted amongst it's Congressional Delegation the likes of Tip O'neill and Kennedy, give him more power than most.
Believe me, in this conversation between you and I, I am not the one who is in the lesser knowledgeable position on how my government's senate works.
You are being obtuse again. I like debating you Nash, but not when you like to play the semantics game.
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Hey - it was two words in a sentence among many - and a few people called me out on it, saying it wasn't true.
But it is.
Now yer saying I'm playing semantics and being obtuse because I correctly stated Kerry's title in the senate, which had scant little to do with the post itself.
Nice back-pedal.
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"This election as last I won't be voting FOR Bush but against his unworthy opponent." - Mighty
"Anyone But Kerry!"
:D
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Anyone but Bush and Kerry.
Please vote Maniac into the White house.
I invented the intardnet.
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No Nash, you stated that as a junior senator there wasn't much impressive he could point to.
I corrected you and said that he is not a junior senator when it comes to tenure and that his long service gives him rank and power in the senate and gives him the juicer senate committee seats, like the intelligence committee, etc.
That's when you started the semantic game.
Reread your own posts, for cripes sake.
I'm not the one back peddling.
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I call memogate foul!
Seriously... do we really want to be debating this?
AFAIC - okay fine - you made your point.
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"As a junior senator" is what you said, and why I assumed you thought he was new to the Senate. He is not A junior Senator, he is only THE Junior Senator when you include "from Mass."
How's that for semantics.
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Good Point!
You're right, there are more pertinent things to debate.
Like boxers or briefs.....sorry, couldn't resist.
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Hows that for semantics?
How about it's not me that's the one who's doing it.
"As a junior senator" is correct in that there are junior and senior senators and he is one of the junior ones. "A junior senator".
I would use "The" if it was followed by "of Mass."
Yer reading way too much into it.
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Stringer how u end up in kansas city from boston?
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Originally posted by Lizking
Kerry is not only a wishy-washy flake, he is stupid to boot.
As a leader you must be consistant.
OK Liz here we go again.
This tact doesnt hold water.
Fair and balanced :)
The Bush we know and love
. Social Security Surplus
BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]
...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]
2. Patient's Right to Sue
GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects." [Salon, 2/7/01]
...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas." [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]
...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ‘would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states." [Washington Post, 4/5/04]
3. Tobacco Buyout
BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the quota system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be changed." [President Bush, 5/04]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a buyout." [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo, 6/18/04]
4. North Korea
BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]
5. Abortion
BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]
...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]
6. OPEC
BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00]
...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]
7. Iraq Funding
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]
8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony
BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]
...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush, 3/30/04]
9. Science
BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]
10. Ahmed Chalabi
BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]
...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]
11. Department of Homeland Security
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]
12. Weapons of Mass Destruction
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]
...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]
13. Free Trade
BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]
14. Osama Bin Laden
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
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Originally posted by Lizking
Kerry is not only a wishy-washy flake, he is stupid to boot. He is on record as saying the exact opposite of everything he is saying today about Iraq. As a leader you must be consistant. .
Open your eyes :)
Re: Fair and balanced :) pt2
15. The Environment
BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]
...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]
16. WMD Commission
BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]
...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]
17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]
18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]
...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]
19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony
BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday." [NY Times, 2/26/04]
...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]
20. Gay Marriage
BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]
21. Nation Building
BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]
...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]
22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link
BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]
...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]
23. U.N. Resolution
BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]
...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]
24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict
BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area." [President Bush, 04/05/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President Bush, 5/23/03]
25. Campaign Finance
BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]
...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02]
26. 527s
Bush opposes restrictions on 527s: "I also have reservations about the constitutionality of the broad ban on issue advertising [in McCain Feingold], which restrains the speech of a wide variety of groups on issues of public import." [President Bush, 3/27/02]
…Bush says 527s bad for system: "I don't think we ought to have 527s. I can't be more plain about it…I think they're bad for the system. That's why I signed the bill, McCain-Feingold." [President Bush, 8/23/04]
27. Medical Records
Bush says medical records must remain private: "I believe that we must protect…the right of every American to have confidence that his or her personal medical records will remain private." [President Bush, 4/12/01]
…Bush says patients' histories are not confidntial: The Justice Department…asserts that patients "no longer possess a reasonable expectation that their histories will remain completely confidential." [BusinessWeek, 4/30/04]
28. Timelines For Dictators
Bush sets timeline for Saddam: "If Iraq does not accept the terms within a week of passage or fails to disclose required information within 30 days, the resolution authorizes 'all necessary means' to force compliance--in other words, a military attack." [LA Times, 10/3/02]
…Bush says he's against timelines: "I don't think you give timelines to dictators." [President Bush, 8/27/04]
29. The Great Lakes
Bush wants to divert great lakes: "Even though experts say 'diverting any water from the Great Lakes region sets a bad precedent' Bush 'said he wants to talk to Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien about piping water to parched states in the west and southwest.'– [AP, 7/19/01]
Bush says he'll never divert Great Lakes: "We've got to use our resources wisely, like water. It starts with keeping the Great Lakes water in the Great Lakes Basin...My position is clear: We're never going to allow diversion of Great Lakes water." [President Bush, 8/16/04]
30. Winning The War On Terror
Bush claims he can win the war on terror: "One of the interesting things people ask me, now that we're asking questions, is, can you ever win the war on terror? Of course, you can." [President Bush, 4/13/04]
…Bush says war on terror is unwinnable: "I don't think you can win [the war on terror]." [President Bush, 8/30/04]
…Bush says he will win the war on terror: "Make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win [the war on terror]." [President Bush, 8/31/04]
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Hey Grun,
I'm originally from Kansas. I moved to Boston in '85 after I got out of college.
Then in late '01, I was recruited by a company in Kansas City, mainly because of my International experience I gained in my field, Supply Chain, while working for a couple of companies in Boston. My interview was on 9/11 actually and I was supposed to fly back to Boston on that day. Of course, that didnt' happen, but the delay did allow me to interview again and get a job offer I was comfortable with.
Now my wife is from Italy, but grew up in Boston. KC is definately an adjustment for her. But for our 2 boys, it's been a great experience.
When my boys were still toddlers, I almost took a job working in Hong Kong, with the stipulation that we move back to the states when the kids get to elementary school age. I look back and wish I had done that.
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Instead of cutting and pasting wall o text form a Democratic e-mail, you should look at each of those issues, and your answer is self evident.
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Silat, really nobody cares. :)
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You guys just don't like "facts".
:D
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Originally posted by Nash
About time he really took the gloves off. The only disapointing thing to me was how long it took for him to do it.
It's working.
Perhaps on you.....the majority of Americans think differently.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Stringer how u end up in kansas city from boston?
It's where real men live:)
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The majority of Americans?
-The majority of Americans think the Iraq War was a mistake.
-The Majority of Americans think that the US is heading in the wrong direction.
-The Majority of Americans don't "approve" of Bush's leadership.
-The Majority of Americans are "dissatisfied with the state of the country".
-The Majority of Americans don't have confidence in the economy.
Now - you seem to always present yourself as if you have anything to do with the Majority of Americans. That couldn't be further from the truth.
You are fringe - babaay... dig it?
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Originally posted by Lizking
Instead of cutting and pasting wall o text form a Democratic e-mail, you should look at each of those issues, and your answer is self evident.
You dont like the proof that BUSH flip flops and isnt decisive as you accuse KERRY of the same? And it isnt dem email its facts and links to his saying these things.
Try to stick to the facts :)
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Nash, are you using Canadian polls or something? Check again, and use some American polling data.
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Really?
What I said represents the conclusion of a few different polls - all American.
If you've found a pollster who is claiming different, I'd like to hear who it is (sincerely).
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Well Nash, If everything you are saying is true. Then Kerry's killing Bush in the polls and will win the election hands down.
Who are you trying to convince?
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I'm not, because I can't, convince anyone.
But I try and make sure that what I say is at least true.
What I said is what the polls are saying.
Whattya want?
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Oddly enough, Nash, it is very hard to find those poll results. In the past week, Time, Newsweek, Zhagbi(sp) and the AP have released poll data including that specific information, almost all of the data indicating Bush ahead. Including those specific questions you list, where Bush was from 5-30 points favorable over Kerry, and overall about 8 points ahead.
See if you can find them, I just did a cursory check and could not, though I saw them on CNN, FOX and MSNBC websites this week.
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"Whattya want?"
Well, links to your polling information might be nice.
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"Zhagbi(sp)"
It's Zogby.
I'm looking at these things all the time - and they're saying what I already said.
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Here Nash...enjoy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089665/
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Oh my god! It's Hortlund! HI Hortlund!
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Hi Nash
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What's up?
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Not much. Just got back from the club. A bit drunk, but nothing too bad. Saw a completely gorgeous girl there though...she was so unbelievably beautiful that just thinking about her makes my apple swell considerably.
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Did you try and talk to her?
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No. I was too sober. I almost did it, but chickened out at the last second.
Its kinda amusing really. I chicken out probably 3 times out of 4 when I am sober-ish, and I talk to them 3 times out of 4 when Im too drunk. The end result is almost always the same though...so Im thinking maybe I could rationalize away the entire going-to-the-club part and just buy some lube and spend the night at home watching porn.
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Sounds like a wash, yeah.
Reminds me of a term we used to call it: "Horrified."
Usage:
"How'd it go, man?" "Not good - I horrified her"
Context:
Being completely smashed, confident, and walking up to some chick saying "GyungdafyYODOING?!" and watching as her expression turns from curiousity to fear.
Horrified.
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just my opinion but kerry is doing the same thing today that he did 34 years ago. stabbing the american fighting men and women in the back as they fight a wicked clod of bastards in front of them. kerry is the most disgusting candidate to run for president I have ever studied.
kerry will lose the Iraq war if its the only thing he does.
To vote for kerry is equivalent to voting in support of terror.
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ROAR!
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The only real poll is the big one in November.
But for those who like to stay current on small sample polls,
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh2004.htm
lists the results of all significant polls. That page has poll results for likely voters and also registered voters.
Right now, Nash, despite your individual issue results it's clear that Kerry needs to change something about his approach.
I think his new ads reflect his awareness of what pollingreport.com is showing.
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wow nash... Bush is ahead by 7 or 8 points... dead even with women of all things and... It appears that those women are allowing their men to say they will vot for Bush as Bush has a 17 point lead among men. So it seems that you are....
the fringe baaaabaaay
course... he still lags far behind kerrie in canada and maybe france and the gayer parts of germany.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
course... he still lags far behind kerrie in canada and maybe france and the gayer parts of germany.
lazs
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
One thing I learned years ago on this BBS.
You always want Lazs on your side..