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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dingy on October 14, 2000, 03:40:00 PM
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OK, I came on as a walkon willing to fly whereever pilots were needed. Kbman's 88th Spit Wing needed pilots so I upped along with KbMan, Wire, Regouge and Cavalier in Spit IX's.
On way to target, we encountered 2 high 190s (possibly scouts?) who engaged us. Regouge got the first kill as the other 190 left the scene. Later just north of Malta, we encountered 2 groups of enemy one low one around 20K and another at 25K+. Things quickly got bad. We engage a group of 190s and I find myself tangled with 3 of em. My loyal squaddies come to my aid and prceed to give the 190s another target to fixate on. Everytime I try to line up on one 190, I look back to find another on my tail. I get a couple pings in on a couple of the 190s but no sure kills. I look around and find that the only squaddie left around me was Cavalier who had 3 on him (I was winchester at this point). I try to scare the 190s off of him but to no avail...he goes down too. I use my E advantage to climb above the 190s and RTB successfully.
During the course of the flight, I get credit for 2 kills. According to the rules, once I land I can only fly goon OR gun for another so I volunteer my services to OleNick whos flying a B26. Over target, I get 2 gunner kills on 190s. The same pilots as the ones I killed earlier in the spit.
PLEASE READ....According to the rules, you only get 1 flight per frame!!! If you get shot down, DO NOT re-up!!
Despite the confusion, I had a great time today. Anyone whos new to scenarios MUST make sure they understand the rules.
READ THE RULES HERE!!!
Scenario Background (http://www.iit.edu/~buonmic/med.htm)
-Ding
[This message has been edited by Dingy (edited 10-14-2000).]
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The simple thing would be to not allow walk-ons. How can you be sure people know the rules if they just walk on? And don't worry, there were Spits and Tiffies pouring out of Malta, and I'm sure some of them weren't in their 1st plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 10-14-2000).]
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Originally posted by LJK Raubvogel:
The simple thing would be to not allow walk-ons. How can you be sure people know the rules if they just walk on? And don't worry, there were Spits and Tiffies pouring out of Malta, and I'm sure some of them weren't in their 1st plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yes it would be the simple thing but some people like myself whos schedule prevents them from making commitments like this dont want squadron commanders to depend on their showing. If Im available I want to fly but many times, I cant.
Maybe if there were a signup page for walkons? Dunno what the answer is.
-Ding
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There were no walk on typhoon pilots, and no typhoons reuped .
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BTW CO's, where do we submit aar's ?
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Axis squadron CO's, send detailed reports to me! ville.pitkanen@hut.fi
If possible, can you post your reports to the SEA BBS too? That way they are all in one place. Thanks! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
SEA AAR thread: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum7/HTML/000237.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum7/HTML/000237.html)
Axis CO - Camo
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XO, Lentolaivue 34
www.muodos.fi/LLv34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34)
Brewster into AH!
"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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82nd fighter group had the understrength 39th F.S. folded into it and departed a4 with 11 p38J-25LO lightnings on a routine Combat Air Patrol CAP mission along the northern coast of Africa with orders not to cross the .9 meridian and enemy territory.
we had a very long patrol that was longer than it needed to be (my fault) as I lead my p38s further east than my designated 82nd F.G. patrol area of a2-a4 in attempt to cover the additional area required of the 39th F.S.
we heard reports from a p47 patrol sighting 205s at 35k 1 sector south of a1 but they disengaged and headed north by the time we climbed to 34k from 30k and made contact with the jugs. this was northwest of a7.
during this patrol I realized the folly of having such a large area to cover from such high altitude and sent 2 p38s (MarkAT and Akswulfe) to scout around field a4 while we patrolled east. I asked for 1 p38 to drop to 25k from our altitude of 34k and TS volunteered and duely dropped alt and kept a watch for any possible low alt ju88s
markat and akswulfe soon ran into a large number of 109s above 30k and I ordered my 2 scouts to not engage but to drag them to our 9 p38s rushing to help. we caught up with MarkAT and akswulfe sandwiched by 2 groups of 109s all heading perpendicular (south) to our oncoming 9 p38s and co alt with us.
a whirling furball ensued (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (it was a ton of fun!)
my flight did a good job during the begining of the fight to maintain flight cohesion but we got spread out during the long battle and lost MarkAT, cars, eddiek and akswulfe. bug322 was attempting to clear akswulfes single engined and damaged p38 when he was also hit and forced to bail out.
Ice smoked 2 109s for 2 probable kills (watch the chat buffer next time ice (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) )
bug322 destroyed 2 109g2s before being forced to bail over a4 for 2 confirmed kills
I was able to destroy 1 bf109g2 in a stall climb and damage 2 more with heavy bursts of fire but the second two were not disabled in any way by my fire. TS became the subject of numerous bounces the entire fight but he did find 1 ju88 and attempted to attack it. due to his altitude disadvantage versus the 109s he was not succesful. as the fight twisted all over the sky it pulled TS down to sea level the quickest and he became entangled with 2 109s b&zing him. I dove from 15k to assist and destroyed 1 of the 109s as it attempted to hammerhead on top of TS. I entered into a head on with the remaining 109 by accident as I mistakenly thought I had a tail aspect shot and was hit by a single 20mm which did not damage any systems on my p38. the 109 did not enjoy the loss of its numerical superiority and atempted to flee the area followed by TS and myself. I had a significant energy advantage over ts and the 109 and came screaming down onto the 109s low 6. at about 400 yards the 109 broke upwards and entered some sort of desperate stall climb so i held down the trigger till his wing fell off for a third kill (TS got 2 assists (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ). as TS and I flipped down from precarious nose up positions another 109 came zooming in to save the remains of his wingman. but we dove in time and he wasnt presented a shot. I called for the flight to reform over a4 as we were severely spread out. TS and I also turned away from the lone 109 who skiddishly attempted to lure us north then gave up chase and left the area. our remaining p38s met up back at a4 and low on fuel I signalled all 82nd F.G. pilots to rtb. as we were landing to refuel a2 was captured by a lone c47. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) it turns out there was only 1 ju88 ever in our patrol area and it de-acked the field and vacated the area while the goon snuck in.
overall stats:
11 p38J's sortied on CAP
7 109s killed by 82nd F.G lightnings (possibly more, 4 p38s that were downed and left the arena did not give me their scores or I missed them as the furball was still swirling)
6 p38s landed safely
5 p38s shot down
1 pilot walked back to base (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (Bug322)
4 p38 pilots MIA (unknown if they bailed or were killed. if you were one of them please tell us your status (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
overall this was the closest thing to a warbirds S3 I have experienced in Aces High and I was very impressed with the immersion of having no radar/sector bars and d3.0 icons.
excellent job zigrat, CM's, CO's and players. we had no wierdness from rook p51s in our area and had an excellent scenario even though our patrol leading up to the big furball was uneventfull.
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Hmmm....How'd the mission go?
Briefly..with a full account coming from Wolf37, CO of 234 RAF, Malta.
7 spits took off from Malta,Wolf37,Beefcake,dudule,shamus, dbcooper, myself and nash, who had a little engine trouble but got it fixed enough to catch up.
-a lone P51? (was Rod Serling in the Med?)also took off from Malta
-ran into a couple of 205's, but didn't engage,
-wolf was hit by a 190, but glided back to Malta, only to bite the big one on ditching,
-my radiator got shot up by a JU88 and as I was ditching at A15 I got a kill on the secret Luftwobble P-38. (see film)
-beefcake shot down the beer wagon,
-and I got wolf's bunk cause he ain't gonna need it anymore
Film Here (http://www.members.home.com/k.plante/Malta_frame2.ahf)
edit: After viewing the film..I must apologize to my squadies for hogging all the fun. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Those icons pop up so quick at 3.0 I can't type fast enough....
And to Manedew..for almost running him over. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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griz
THUNDERBIRDS
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Med. League
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[This message has been edited by grizz (edited 10-15-2000).]
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Enjoying the excellent weather at this resort like oplace I thought to myself - why haven't I've travelled to this part of the world before? The answer, of course, was with the unskilled aristocracy which led the proud German army into a war that could not be won. Too hell with those bastards; this time is ours!
At any rate, the duty of a German pilot is not to be neglected! After having eaten a light breakfast with my trusty CO Badger, a most skilled tactician and excellent dogfighter, he briefed me that intel thought the allieds would try to invade the islands on whcich we were based. This, I thought, could not be allowed to happen! We have a duty to the people here, to show them the way of the light. Our Italian brothers need our help, and help them, by God, we would.
A little later we were formed up, six of us in the new FW190A5 fighters. Admittedly, they were showing wear and tear, and my personal aircraft had several patches from an earlier encounter with a Spitfire. The favour, of course, was returned.
After takeoff, we were directed by ground control to gain altitude, and then vecotred towards the enemy. Our mission: to destroy the bombers. 109s and Macchis were to provide cover. Unfortunately, there must have been some sabotage; we never met the bombers and instead found high Spitfires screaming down rfom the skies. Mein Gott, there were many of themn; all higher than us. Of our two scouts, one had already been shot down and the other joined our formation just prior to the engagement.
These Spitfires, undoubtely recognizing that they were up against better pilots, were very careful. Some didn't even dare to drop their nose for a pass! My 190 was sluggish and unresponsive at this altitude, and the Spits, kept dragging the fight up higher, as to prolong the inevitable.
Quickly, my patience wore thin. Spotting low bogeys I asked for permission to check it out; what I saw was three low Spitfires engaging 190A8's from SG4. My friends Kirin and mose fly in that unit, and the audacity of the invaders made my determination all the more full.
Screaming in, almost at compression, I spotted two Spits closing in on one 190's six. Quickly I was in gun range; unfortunately, I managed only to directly shoot one Spit down, the other broke hard up into a high g upwards turn, damaged but not disabled. Bleeding my excess energy in a hard immelman, I saw one Spit shoot off fragments of another 190's wing, and I believe I saw a bit of the gear depart from the wounded 190.
The Spit easily outturned me for one turn, but didn't expect me to waste e on a hard reversal, and was subsequently caught heading not head to head, but away from me. And at low speed. The rounds from my cannons disintegrated the poor Spit. There was no chute from the plane, just as there was no chute from the first plane I downed. A quick thought passed through my mind; these were people I would have shared some beers with, had it not been for the godforsaken war. That madman in control took away most of the love of flying I had. But first and foremost I am an officer, and as such I have a duty. Quickly, I shook the thought away, and reported to my CO that I was low on fuel and heading back to base.
Due to the utter confusion, I took off alone again. Spotting my Italian friends and 2 B26's making bombing runs, I assisted in the destruction of one. The second one proved to be more difficult; the pilot was jinking wildly doing what he could to get his gun to bear on me. It was futile; a few rounds penetrated my fuselage, but the response from my four 20mm's made the fight an unequal one. I think I saw one chute, but am not sure.
I landed, only to find my quarters hit by an allied bomb. My imported beer was likely destroyed I knew, and our squad had suffered some losses; Badger had bought the farm trying to land his stricken wingless 190, only to have the remaining gear collapse. he's injured and crippled, but alive. One scout also was hit. At least I counted four suqad kills, plus my three; we made them pay for their intrusion.
At this rate, however, things do not look good. Tomorrow; we fly again, and again the Spits and bombers shall be back.
Heh was great fun <S!> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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hi all:
my report was sent to Hangtime as the commander in cheif of the allied force's in the med. he will put what ever needs to be put in here. but I will say that my squad shot down
3 JU-88's
2 205's
1 C-47
we lost two planes and pilots
myself
dudule
now in respounce to LJK Raubvogel:
if you land your plane, you can refuel and rearm the up again, I can tell you for a fact, that no spit reupped at a15 when they where not allowed to do so. as for the tiffies, i did see them landing, refueling and rearming. I did not how ever see any tiffies exit there planes and then pop back up at end of runway. now there was a P51 and and a P-38 that where walk ons at a15, they where upping when ever, griz blasted the P-38 when it was trying to take off and killed it. I did not see it come back after that. now I would like to point out that one of my squadies dicord and then reupped, but that is allowed. I dont know how many times it is allowed, but he only had to reup once. so LJK Raubvgel, if you landed your plane with no damage and exited, then no you can not reup, but that is not the fault of anybody but yourself. And I am sure some allied pilots did the same thing. I know that in my squad, all the pilots knew they could not exit there plane and then reup, and as squad CO, it was my job to make sure they knew that. as it is your squad's CO to make sure his squadies know the rules. well I dont want to start a fight here or any thing, so I hope it goes better for you next session, and hope everybody has fun.
wolf37 CO
RAF 234 Spitfire squad
Malta (a15)
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There were 5 typhoons that took off from Sfax. We engaged some 109s on the way to Malta, shot 2 I believe and lost 2. We then landed at Malta to refuel and rearm, losing another who landed with rudder out.
Manedew and I ran two more sorties, with one more rearm in between. I didn't catch all of his kills, there were 2 or 3 I believe (one being a spit flying for the axis. This happens, you will not hear us complain of it), I ended with a 109, a 190, a ju88, and a ju88 assist.
"All" those typhoons, after the first flyover from Sfax (A9), were in fact 2 typhoons.
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Fatty
Fat Drunk Bastards (http://fdb.50megs.com)
"Quit cryin in yer beer, it'll make it go flat."
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You guys done good. real good. All of yah. Can't tell yah how damn proud I am of you.. so few.. and yah held Malta. Impossible odds..
Salute Spits and Typhies; WELL DONE: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
BIG <S!>
Hang
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5 109g6s headed south in two groups me and sox south. Zig ygsmilo and ash se towards malta.
We soon detected a bar in the middle of the med towards tunis. Camo directed me to investigate so Sox and I did.
We chased a con south but it disapeared. (punted?)
We were headed back to malta. Our guys there were reporting Typhoons and Spitfires. And a p51. Sox pulled ahead of me while I was searching for a con to the south. By the time I arrived there the rest of the squad was mixed up with Typhoons and a high p51. I tried to clear a typhoon off of sox but was repeatedly bounced by the pony. I evaded the pony for quite a while but was trying to clear typhoons and really could not do much about it. I am not sure about other losses to the squad. I know one was killed. We couldnt escape the typhoons of course.
They could open fire on us at d800.. It was horrible. The pony hurt me bad and he got the kill but I was acctually killed by a typhoon that pulled in front of him to finsh me off hispano style.
I have never heard an explenation as to why typhoons are in the set. But there is nothing that 109g6s can do about them. They could not operate in the african theater as they had no dust filter that could go over that big rad.
They sure work well. All the allied squads should have them.
I dont know where the typhoons came from. They seemed to take off from malta. I am sure that they would not have though cause that would bave been cheating.
The allies at malta new about this guy the whole time but never identified him to the staff.
Oh well.
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Originally posted by wolf37:
so LJK Raubvgel, if you landed your plane with no damage and exited, then no you can not reup, but that is not the fault of anybody but yourself. well I dont want to start a fight here or any thing, so I hope it goes better for you next session, and hope everybody has fun.
wolf37 CO
RAF 234 Spitfire squad
Malta (a15)
Umm....where did I say that I exited my plane with no damage? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Don't be mad because I killed you Wolf (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) No seriously, I was only saying that it seemed like Spits were falling, and more were pouring out of Malta to take their place. If I'm mistaken, then sorry.
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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Originally posted by Pongo:
The allies at malta new about this guy the whole time but never identified him to the staff.
Oh well.
Actually he was identified to the staff quite a number of times when we first lifted off at the start of the frame. After a number of calls to have him "booted" by various pilots, and not seeing his "dot" anymore...I assumed this was the case.
The call went out on open channel 3 or 4 times that a pony and p38 had lifted off from A15. And BusC asked a number of times who it was.
Not sure what you think we should have done Pongo..it certainly wasn't an "allied conspiracy", though by the tone of your posts you seem to think so.
Until the CM's have expulsion powers this type of thing is bound to happen...to the detriment of all the players who take the time to play by the rules.
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griz
THUNDERBIRDS
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Med. League
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hi all:
to start with, was it you LJK Raubvogel that shot me down, well I am not mad about that
( you &*%%$%&$%*^%^$$#%$#%^$$#&) it was my own fault that you snuck in on me. I kinda turned off my icon thingy to enemy planes. I kept looking back at a little dot, then saw the tracers flying by. no I am not up set that you shot me down, thats part of the game. as for thinking you are accussing some allied pilots of reupping, well it kinda seemed that way in your post, sorry for taking it the wrong way, that is my mistake.
Pongo, as for the P-51, we did report him, and we sent out messages on open ch for axis to read, that he was there, with a p-38.
and the main reason we pointed out the p-38 was because it was not suppose to up at a15.
we have two squads of p-38's on the allied team, but they up someplace to the south. but what more could we have done, yes we could have turned back and shot him down, but how many times, we too had a mission that had to be done. I am soory you had to be the one that got fouled up by some peebrain who likes to wreck the fun of others. but I will promise you this, if it should happen again, I will send my squad off on what ever mission we are on, and I will personally keep the dimwit down and out of the way of all axis planes.
now as for the typoons, I know they are replacing a plane we don't have in aces high, not sure witch one, but I will talk to Hangtime, Zigrat, and Busc about replacing them with a differant plane if that will work for you. but if that does not happen, all I askis that you give it another try. its only a couple of hours on a Saturday. and it sure beats the furballing in the MA.
wolf37
CO
RAF 234 Spitfire squad
Malta (a15)
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Originally posted by Citabria:
I was very impressed with the immersion of having no radar/sector bars and d3.0 icons.
Ditto. The lack of even radar bars made maintaining SA VERY important. LOVED IT! It may have even just created a new leadership position. Someone whos job it is to keep track of enemy plane position and headings! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding