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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Killjoy2 on September 25, 2004, 01:20:58 PM
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Someone had a great idea for the ENY problem.
(wait for it)
When a country is down on bases, make their barracks and/or ord indestructable.
Example 1) Rooks have 20 bases Bish have 100 and Nits have 121. Both Bish and Nits have killed troops and mostly ord at all Rook bases. It doesn't matter how many Rooks are on or how well they work together, they can't capture a base or even resupply a base. But if the country in the dumper has indestructable barracks and ord, they can always fight back.
Example 2) Rooks have 40 bases, bish=110 nits=131 Rooks have only indestructable barracks. This still gives them an edge and they can use supplies to rebuild ord at damaged bases.
There is a historical strategic element. As supply lines shorten and compact, it is easier for a country to supply and keep their bases and armies supplied until they reach pushover limits and die.
(Old ENY topic follows)
Last night Rooks were down to 20 bases against 220 bish-nit bases. But since the Bish numbers were down, (nits were way up) Rooks could not even get a Tiger to defend bases because of ENY. This is stupid, Rooks are ganged by both countries who destroy all their resources and outnumber the Rooks and yet the Rooks can't get a full planeset?
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heh.
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
Rooks could not even get a Tiger to defend bases because of ENY. This is stupid,
*ahem* The whole ENY-limiter is stupid.
I know...disable the ENY-limiter and leave the buildings at their original settings. :)
Bish...stop whining when you're down.
Nits...stop whining when you're down.
Rooks...stop whining when you're down.
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
Bish...stop whining when you're down.
Nits...stop whining when you're down.
Rooks...stop whining when you're down.
awesome perspective and or concept you have come up with, I like it!
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Just have ENY apply to bases you didn't own when the map reset. So when you're flying from a "home" field you never get ENY'd - only when you're advancing via The Horde. I said that the day after ENY went in - it solves the squadron problem, it solves a lot of the taking back your own fields problem. Very easy to implement too.
Glad to see that the MA is just as crappy after another week of "balancing."
-DoK
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Just have ENY apply to bases you didn't own when the map reset. So when you're flying from a "home" field you never get ENY'd - only when you're advancing via The Horde. I said that the day after ENY went in - it solves the squadron problem, it solves a lot of the taking back your own fields problem. Very easy to implement too.
Glad to see that the MA is just as crappy after another week of "balancing."
-DoK
That is actually a pretty good idea, I like it.
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That is a great idea.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Just have ENY apply to bases you didn't own when the map reset. So when you're flying from a "home" field you never get ENY'd - only when you're advancing via The Horde. I said that the day after ENY went in - it solves the squadron problem, it solves a lot of the taking back your own fields problem. Very easy to implement too.
Glad to see that the MA is just as crappy after another week of "balancing."
-DoK
This still hurts the "kill, kill, kill" mentality for the land-grabbers, but I guess that's the point.
I wouldn't mind trying this idea out. ANYTHING is better than the ENY-limiter that we have today.
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What I'm trying to describe is an abstraction of balancing along a "front line."
In other words, as long as the "peace time" (i.e. map reset) borders are intact, it is assumed that no side is gaining an advantage. So, the "home fields" ENY modification means everyone gets all their planes as long as they sortie from a home field.
Once you start pushing into enemy territory, you start getting hit with ENY if you have a numerical edge. HT wants to actually calculate this as a function of distance from your own HQ ... which is good too ... but I think a quicker fix is needed.
If you're pushed back and get reinforcements, you can now retake your own fields without the ENY penalty. This makes the counter-offensive one of the better situations to be in - as opposed to one of the most hopeless as it is now.
If you want to go one step further, you could add a "bases held" function on top of the perk discounting. That way, if you're pushed back to 20 fields and everyone else has 100 each, you get a nice perk discount regardless of the numbers.
Of course, once you get back to the "peace time" borders you lose all this advantage - but then the "balance" on the map has been restored. If by weight of numbers you can now push into enemy space, well, you get ENY'd and you long since lost your perk discount when you retook your bases. The closer you get to resetting the enemy (assuming you're using shear weight of numbers), the harder you get hit with ENY, and the more high-perk planes you see coming at you.
So the system as I describe it tries to settle back to the peace time borders.
-DoK
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
HT wants to actually calculate this as a function of distance from your own HQ ... which is good too ...
This would make it work for CV's too...............
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GREAT/SUPER/ IDEA>
HOW do we get it to HAPPEN:confused:
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Bad Idea! Let the war be waged...won or lost. Let the countries even themselves. Let the countries learn to fight together or DIE!!!
Tweak and ye shall be tweaked.
HTC.....Leave the war to us!
!Anti-Eny!
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Originally posted by dracon
Bad Idea! Let the war be waged...won or lost. Let the countries even themselves. ...
The countries aren't evening themselves save for Sunday nites seem to have been taken out of the equation. Which is probably all the whiners wanted anyway - so now a new crop of people think ENY is "bad."
Oh well ...
-DoK
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Oh no....Trust me on this dude...I am the ORIGINAL person that Thought Eny is bad! I was number 1.
Hitech's sick of my E-Mails...ask him!
I am thinking about starting an association that signs it's posts !Anti Eny!
You new here Dok?
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Originally posted by dracon
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You new here Dok?
Wow.
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Once a country gains, say a 15% number advantage, those people in the guilty country, who logged in most recenty, just explode in a cool fireball. When they die they have three options, via dialog check box:
1. go to heaven
2. go to hell
3. change sides
If you chose "heaven", nothing really happens....you just have to select another option. Choosing "hell" automatically deletes your account.
Bahhh.......just kidding.
I do not like ENY in any form, but Doc's idea is the best I've heard. It makes sense, but I doubt it will even the numbers any better. The people that stay in their country with numbers really would have no reason to change countries.
A guy like me, I could care less if my country has numbers or not. I just want the game to be simple and fair for everyone playing it.
I almost always find fights away from the masses and it doesn't matter what country has numbers.
People that cry about numbers really have no argument, as they are not forced to stay in that situation.
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Originally posted by dracon
Oh no....Trust me on this dude...I am the ORIGINAL person that Thought Eny is bad! I was number 1.
Hitech's sick of my E-Mails...ask him!
I am thinking about starting an association that signs it's posts !Anti Eny!
You new here Dok?
Take .... something. Anything. If it calms ya down - good. If it puts you to sleep - better. If it poisons ya or you od. Well .... gotta read them labels, yaknow. :lol
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Just have ENY apply to bases you didn't own when the map reset. So when you're flying from a "home" field you never get ENY'd - only when you're advancing via The Horde. I said that the day after ENY went in - it solves the squadron problem, it solves a lot of the taking back your own fields problem. Very easy to implement too.
Glad to see that the MA is just as crappy after another week of "balancing."
-DoK
Simple, elegant, appears to accomplish what it sets out to. Players will whine.
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How could anybody so right about so many things be so wrong about this? ;)
DoK, all the ENY stuff simply removes strategic dynamics. We are literally fighting the exact same war, for the same fields, using the same planes, night after night after night. There is no movement on the maps. The salient from original borders is rarely 3 fields deep. It's BORING.
After watching all this a month or so, I think that may be it. Programmers don't understand that regular humans can get bored by monotony, no matter how well-programmed.
Although I truly do see the intellectual appeal and challenge of trying to hard-code the f*cking United Nations (which is a pretty apt description of what's going down in the MA), it sucks for generating novelty in a strategic simulation.
With all due respect (but in expectation of a worthy lambaste),
Mullah
PS: Forgive whoever asked if DoK is new. THAT guy has gotta be new :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by RDSaustinTX
Programmers don't understand that regular humans can get bored by monotony, no matter how well-programmed.
Swarm ... blitz ... reset ... swarm ... blitz ... reset ... swarm .... blitz ..... reset .....
Get it? No?
Swarm .... blitz .... reset ....
:D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Swarm ... blitz ... reset ... swarm ... blitz ... reset ... swarm .... blitz ..... reset .....
Get it?
No I don't. Have you actually been in the MA in a month or so? :confused:
For the most part, there are not resets anymore. And I would welcome the variety afforded by a swarm, blitz, reset cycle in contrast to what happens now.
Mullah
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Originally posted by RDSaustinTX
No I don't. Have you actually been in the MA in a month or so? :confused:
For the most part, there are not resets anymore. And I would welcome the variety afforded by a swarm, blitz, reset cycle in contrast to what happens now.
Mullah
As in contrast to what, precisely? Actual fights? ;)
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The one signifigant change inthe MA is that the Rooks have less numbers than they used to on a consistant basis.
They are slowly being sqeezed into a corner.
But they are getting tougher, working together more and devising new tactics. I doubt that Bish would last this long in the same corner.
Rooks still need some toughening, but if this keeps up, you'll see the new leaner, meaner take-no-prisoners Rookand that existed before they became fat and bloated by Rook wannabees and hangers-on.
Hah! Just you wait rookland will rule the map again and when it does you'll all wished you had stayed home with your nice fluffy sheep.
Don't get me started.
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
They are slowly being sqeezed into a corner.
It's a conspiracy, I tell ya. But ..... ya gotta squeeze a grape before it makes whine.
(http://jollyrogers.info/VF17/vintage.jpg)
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
Bish...stop whining when you're down.
Nits...stop whining when you're down.
Rooks...stop whining when you're down.
Bish...stop whining when you're up.
Nits...stop whining when you're up.
Rooks...stop whining when you're up.
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Originally posted by phookat
Bish...stop whining when you're up.
Nits...stop whining when you're up.
Rooks...stop whining when you're up.
in other words : "HTC, please make the numbers go away and make it all safe for me to fly"
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Anyone ever play the game "RISK"?
wouldn't that be cool if, when you gained an advantage on the map, you were limited to only 1 dice until the numbers equaled out?
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
I doubt that Bish would last this long in the same corner.
You don't fly for the bish how would you know?
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Anyone ever play "Monopoly"
wouldn't that be cool if everyone always had equal cash and properties?
Games are competitive. A few whiners have ruined this game imho.
I'm riding this out, paying but not playing, until I see what happens with the ENY thing. I am disgusted with the idea, but am hoping that it will go away soon.
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Originally posted by Arlo
As in contrast to what, precisely? Actual fights? ;)
No, in contrast to fights that vary in location, strategic context and platforms.
Say something intelligent or troll somebody else.
Mullah
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Originally posted by RDSaustinTX
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DoK, all the ENY stuff simply removes strategic dynamics. We are literally fighting the exact same war, for the same fields, using the same planes, night after night after night. There is no movement on the maps. The salient from original borders is rarely 3 fields deep. It's BORING.
After watching all this a month or so, I think that may be it. Programmers don't understand that regular humans can get bored by monotony, no matter how well-programmed.
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Mul, I've been saying all along that a lot of the reason for the crappiness and horde-iness of the MA is that players are bored. The maps change (eventually), but nothing else does. And the tasks needed to "win" are optimized into player's behavior. There is no reward, recognition, or need to do anything more.
Given a choice, I'd remove ENY. But if it's here to stay, then lets at least make it work right so it doesn't keep people cornered week after week. The way ENY works now, once you're behind you stay behind because when you have the numbers to retake fields you can't get good planes.
-DoK
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Originally posted by RDSaustinTX
No, in contrast to fights that vary in location, strategic context and platforms.
Say something intelligent or troll somebody else.
Mullah
It was straightforward and thoughtful. I'm glad you took offense. :D
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Originally posted by NUKE
Anyone ever play the game "RISK"?
Yeah ... .the MA version is funnestest. ;)
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Originally posted by NUKE
Anyone ever play "Monopoly"
Yeah. But the MA dudn't hab it duh parkplace skware amd duh shoe is but way ubermodeled. Perk it duh shoe.
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
[When a country is down on bases, make their barracks and/or ord indestructable.
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Which, in essence, would eliminate total gameplay. The whole point of base capture to reset is to get one team`s base numbers down.
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when a Team does well while playing Fair there is no need to hurt there abilty
now when i mean by fair i mean numbers being around the same nothing fair about Rooks winning with 3to1
that goes for all 3 countrys
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Originally posted by simshell
when a Team does well while playing Fair there is no need to hurt there abilty
nothing fair about Rooks winning with 3to1
this comment is a whine.
this is the kind of thinking that has brought on this whole ENY-limiter mess.
playing fair has NOTHING to do with numbers. playing fair = simply playing the game as it was designed without any hacks to create an advantage against the opponent.
flying with numbers simply IS what it is...flying with numbers.
like I said before,
Bish...quit whining when you're down.
Nits...quit whining when you're down.
and, Rooks...quit whining when you're down.
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Originally posted by NUKE
in other words : "HTC, please make the numbers go away and make it all safe for me to fly"
No. In other words, stop whining. That would be *you*. ;)
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
this comment is a whine.
As is yours. Stop whining.
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Originally posted by phookat
As is yours. Stop whining.
I just have a hard time taking anything seriously from a player who has a user name that resembles a cartoon description of a wet fart. ;)
My regards,
Widewing
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I've got a good idea.
Stop screwing with the game.
Return things back to the way they were and maybe flying in the MA will be fun again.
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If you don't like the present Main Arena mentallity, Fly Combat theatre. Most of the rules in the MA were made by the players, HTC just enacted them. The way things are, are, because we made them that way. Hitech and company wants to be able to sleep once in a while.:aok
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I'm glad at least *someone* isn't taking me seriously. ;)
Was fun before. Still is fun. Take off, fly fight. Just like before. What's the problem?
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Given a choice, I'd remove ENY. But if it's here to stay, then lets at least make it work right so it doesn't keep people cornered week after week.
Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable. - J.K. Galbraith
Mullah
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Originally posted by RDSaustinTX
Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable. - J.K. Galbraith
Mullah
"It's a sin to believe evil of others, but it is seldom a mistake."
-- H. L. Mencken
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Waaaaaa. MA sucks for someone.
In the words of somebody:
STFU.
I want night back but it ain't going to happen. You ENY haters can suck it up too.
:D
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
this comment is a whine.
this is the kind of thinking that has brought on this whole ENY-limiter mess.
playing fair has NOTHING to do with numbers. playing fair = simply playing the game as it was designed without any hacks to create an advantage against the opponent.
flying with numbers simply IS what it is...flying with numbers.
like I said before,
Bish...quit whining when you're down.
Nits...quit whining when you're down.
and, Rooks...quit whining when you're down.
and playing with 3 to 1 numbers is wrong GET IT!
and this ENY is here because of the 3 to 1s on a whole country scale
and like i said it goes for all 3 countrys
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Originally posted by simshell
and playing with 3 to 1 numbers is wrong GET IT!
and this ENY is here because of the 3 to 1s on a whole country scale
and like i said it goes for all 3 countrys
what makes flying 3 to 1 numbers wrong?
Are you saying a 3 to 1 dogfight is "wrong" too? If not, why?
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Originally posted by NUKE
what makes flying 3 to 1 numbers wrong?
Are you saying a 3 to 1 dogfight is "wrong" too? If not, why?
a 3on1 in a small dogfight is nothing wrong
but a country outnumbering the other by 3to1 is
this is not real WAR i was thinking HTC were trying to make a game so all 3 sides could have a chance and not be outguned 3to1 which you dont have any chance when your on the lower side
hey lets all play baseball and have 15 players on the field for 1 team:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by RDSaustinTX
Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable. - J.K. Galbraith
Mullah
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Originally posted by simshell
HTC were trying to make a game so all 3 sides could have a chance and not be outguned 3to1 which you dont have any chance when your on the lower side
What was forcing someone to remain in a an outnumbered country?
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ok lets all run to rooks and make it 4 to 1 and 6 to 1
this is what kinda of was happening players started going to the rooks and the Rooks just got bigger and bigger
and HTC steped in to fix a flaw
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Originally posted by simshell
ok lets all run to rooks and make it 4 to 1 and 6 to 1
too bad that never has happened.
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Originally posted by NUKE
too bad that never has happened.
im happy it never did go to 4to1
but were is the line when you say its alright for 1 country to have alot more numbers?
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The fact is, if a player was in a country that was outnumbered and did not like it, they could change countries and be happy.
What if everyone, 100% of all players chose to fly Rooks.....wouldn't that prove that that's what the player base wanted out of the game?
Who are you to tell someone where and how to fly and play the game?
At least before, everyone had the same choices.
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Originally posted by NUKE
At least before, everyone had the same choices.
Believe it or not .... everyone actually still has the same choices. And even the choices remain the same. ;)
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Originally posted by NUKE
The fact is, if a player was in a country that was outnumbered and did not like it, they could change countries and be happy.
What if everyone, 100% of all players chose to fly Rooks.....wouldn't that prove that that's what the player base wanted out of the game?
Who are you to tell someone where and how to fly and play the game?
At least before, everyone had the same choices.
ok enjoy your airquake then and PS give my ME163 from everbase who are you to tell me i cant fly it from everware:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Arlo
Believe it or not .... everyone actually still has the same choices. And even the choices remain the same. ;)
[edit] So I can chose to fly a P-51 for a country with huge numbers if I choose? All the choices are the same? [edit]
not true. One group of whiners, refusing to change countries when outnumbered, are forcing players on a country with numbers to be have a limited plane-set.
The irony is that the whiners ( who refused to change countries) are forcing others to make the game easier FOR THEM at others expense, rather than simply change sides themselves to solve their problem
Now, if I log on and my country happens to have numbers, I cannot fly certain planes unless I switch sides to appease some idiots who cry about being outnumbered rather than deal with it or switch sides. This causes ME to change sides for THEM.
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Originally posted by simshell
ok enjoy your airquake then and PS give my ME163 from everbase who are you to tell me i cant fly it from everware:rolleyes:
as long as the rules and choices are the same for EVERYONE at ALL times, I have no problem.
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Come to think of it, I'm upset that there are too many Americans playing the game. I think the numbers should be equaled out between all nations.
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Originally posted by NUKE
So I can chose to fly a P-51 for a country with huge numbers if I choose? All the choices are the same?
not true. One group of whiners, refusing to change countries when outnumbered, are forcing players on a country with numbers to be have a limited plane-set.
The irony is that the whiners ( who refused to change countries) are forcing others to make the game easier FOR THEM at others expense, rather than simply change sides themselves to solve their problem
Now, if I log on and my country happens to have numbers, I cannot fly certain planes unless I switch sides to appease some idiots who cry about being outnumbered rather than deal with it or switch sides. This causes ME to change sides for THEM.
No ... true. You just need to look at it from a different perspective. Of course, you are free to choose whatever perspective appeals to you. But I'm telling you here and now:
1: You can fly your favorite uber plane.
2: You can fly with the horde.
The only thing is .... one more choice has been added.
Ya gotta pick one or the other.
"Arlo! That's not a CHOICE! That's a LIMITATION! A RESTRICTION! I pay my 15 buckeroos a month to fly anything I want on any side I want and horde if I want and ... and ... "
Perspective.
Limitation? ..... choice.
Handicap? (As someone else called it in another thread) ... challenge.
Restricting you? ... Encouraging you to try something new. Be it switching to the underdog or flying a P-40.
*ShruG*
Things change from time to time. Some view the change itself as evil incarnate. Some adapt and improve. Some meet the challenge. Some offer suggestions to improve perceived problems.
From what I've seen, for every single player posting here complaining about the ENY limiter modification there was a player posting the same type of heated passion over the MA community's apparent inability to achieve at least a reasonable margin of balance over a significant period of time.
Hell .... we have players that quit the first week it was introduced posting here that they'll never come back to the game until it's eliminated. It doesn't matter if it get's adjusted or tweaked to them. There's a chance that it will kick in while they're playing and they won't be able to fly a Lala without switching sides. (Or, if sides are as fluid now as many claim, they may have to fly a different plane for a whole sortie.) They haven't tried it since adjustments were made .... but they sure as hell won't play the game again until the "horrible disasterous change" ... is changed back ... exactly the way it was when they were in their comfort zone.
Well good for them. But why are they still whining about it? Oh .... right .... they actually miss the game and would like to play it. Only the damned evil ENY thingie is there keeping them from playing the game and flying with their friends.
The ENY limiter is doing it.
Not they, themselves.
The ENY limiter.
Perspective.
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Originally posted by NUKE
as long as the rules and choices are the same for EVERYONE at ALL times, I have no problem.
They are.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Come to think of it, I'm upset that there are too many Americans playing the game. I think the numbers should be equaled out between all nations.
There are no restrictions on anyone with access to the internet and a means to pay their subscription.
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Originally posted by Arlo
They are.
so a person can chose to fly for a country with huge numbers and still fly every plane, just like before?
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Originally posted by NUKE
so a person can chose to fly for a country with huge numbers and still fly every plane, just like before?
You keep stating one thing then assuming another. Over and over ... and over ... and over again.
The rules and choices ARE the same for everyone in the game. Exactly the same. Same and fair. It applies to all.
If you and your comrades form a horde .... you and your comrades will have to deal with ENY restrictions (if the arena population has tripped the ENY limitation code). If the other chaps and their comrades form a horde .... they will have to deal with ENY restrictions in exactly the same way you do.
You (and your comrades) can elect to switch sides (individually or as a group) in order to fly your favorite uber ride again.
The guys on the other side, should they be the ones currently under ENY restriction, can do the same.
There's nothing unfair about it. You're NOT being singled out and picked on. Get over that. It doesn't exist. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
The rules and choices ARE the same for everyone in the game. Exactly the same. Same and fair. It applies to all.
If you and your comrades form a horde .... you and your comrades will have to deal with ENY restrictions (if the arena population has tripped the ENY limitation code). If the other chaps and their comrades form a horde .... they will have to deal with ENY restrictions in exactly the same way you do.
You (and your comrades) can elect to switch sides (individually or as a group) in order to fly your favorite uber ride again.
The guys on the other side, should they be the ones currently under ENY restriction, can do the same.
There's nothing unfair about it. You're NOT being singled out and picked on. Get over that. It doesn't exist. ;)
Look, it's this simple. Before ENY, nobody was without equal choices. After ENY, people are left unable to fly certain planes if they happen to log into the wrong country at the wrong time.
And what if I can't change countries do to time limits? DO I have equal choice then? No I do not.
More choices existed for ALL before ENY, prove me wrong.
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Not really all that fair, Arlo.
Before ENY, if you got pushed back when your reinforcements arrived or the attackers strength waned you could retake your bases with the full plane set. Now, you have to try to retake your fields with inferior planes when you have numbers sufficient to counter-attack. The way the current ENY is implemented, once you're down you're more likely to stay down.
I cited this situation as a flaw the week ENY was implemented - so it sure ain't a whine. It will affect any country that gets behind the same way. It will also encourage gang-ups as the country in the hole makes a better, more condensed target which will always have fewer bases and either be outnumbered and/or be ENY'd.
-DoK
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Not really all that fair, Arlo.
Before ENY, if you got pushed back when your reinforcements arrived or the attackers strength waned you could retake your bases with the full plane set. Now, you have to try to retake your fields with inferior planes when you have numbers sufficient to counter-attack. The way the current ENY is implemented, once you're down you're more likely to stay down.
I cited this situation as a flaw the week ENY was implemented - so it sure ain't a whine. It will affect any country that gets behind the same way. It will also encourage gang-ups as the country in the hole makes a better, more condensed target which will always have fewer bases and either be outnumbered and/or be ENY'd.
-DoK
In the context of NUKE's single repetative line: "as long as the rules and choices are the same for EVERYONE at ALL times, I have no problem." ... it is. The system, imperfect as it may be, applies equally to everyone.
I've never said the system works perfectly. I've never said we can't live without the measure altogether. I just can't stand someone trying to argue bias when none exists. It reflects ignorance and selfishness.
Sorry to be blunt .... but that's my firm stance on that.
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Originally posted by Arlo
The system, imperfect as it may be, applies equally to everyone.
sort of like the game was before ENY, only difference now is that people get penalized if they happen to log onto the wrong country at the wrong time, in order to appease crybabies.
And the crybabies are the only one's being selfish...nobobody else was complaining, by definition.
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Originally posted by Arlo
In the context of NUKE's single repetative line: "as long as the rules and choices are the same for EVERYONE at ALL times, I have no problem." ... it is. The system, imperfect as it may be, applies equally to everyone.
I've never said the system works perfectly. I've never said we can't live without the measure altogether. I just can't stand someone trying to argue bias when none exists. It reflects ignorance and selfishness.
Sorry to be blunt .... but that's my firm stance on that.
The bias is in the way people in the MA play the game. It's the same kind of bias that led to the ENY system being put in. And I've seen nothing to indicate that's gotten any better.
-DoK
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
The bias is in the way people in the MA play the game. It's the same kind of bias that led to the ENY system being put in. And I've seen nothing to indicate that's gotten any better.
-DoK
That's not what was being argued, though. I kept hearing "IF things were FAIR for EVERYONE" over and over as if the ENY limiter was coded just to affect one individual or group. And everytime I said it wasn't .... the response was "So I can up any plane I want to for any side I fly on just like I used to.". I'm not gonna go back and forth over such a silly stance endlessly. It certainly doesn't move me to sympathy for the player's supposed plight.
MY stance is to turn the damned thing back off. AAMOF ... get rid of every single restriction in the MA. Unperk everything. Turn off killshooter. Enable the Komet from every base. Complete and total freedom and choice, man. Let's go a month like that now.
BUT .. the reasonable side of me says tha that's an entirely selfish direction to take. And I'm honest enough with myself to believe that. :D
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Arlo, it's very simple: ENY was designed to coerce players into evening the numbers. I do not like to be coerced into doing anything for anyone.
I want to simply log in, find a fight and fly the same plane set as anyone else. I don't want to screw around with changing countries and trying to figure out where my sqaud may be flying at any given moment.
I could care less if my country has numbers or not. I never complain about BS like that. Catering to crybabies in a game makes me sick.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Arlo, it's very simple: ENY was designed to coerce players into evening the numbers. I do not like to be coerced into doing anything for anyone.
I want to simply log in, find a fight and fly the same plane set as anyone else. I don't want to screw around with changing countries and trying to figure out where my sqaud may be flying at any given moment.
I could care less if my country has numbers or not. I never complain about BS like that. Catering to crybabies in a game makes me sick.
Gimme a break. You're all crybabies. :D
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Originally posted by NUKE
And the crybabies are the only one's being selfish...nobobody else was complaining, by definition.
LOL. Well, you're crying worked. HTC has pushed up the playercount before ENY kicks in. We had the *perfect game*, and you whiners ruined it. Now we can't get ENY limiters until numbers are too high. Why didn't they just leave it like it was?? IM CANCELLING MY ACCOUNT EVERYONE SUCKS blah blah etc etc.
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I have never complained to HTC about anything, so I'm not one of the crybabies.
I'm just telling you how I feel about ENY, that's all.
ENY stinks, that's my opinion.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I have never complained to HTC about anything, so I'm not one of the crybabies.
Hmmmmmm.....that`s strange. I see two pages of it so far. :D