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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Muckmaw1 on September 25, 2004, 06:49:09 PM
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So Iran tested a new Strategic Missle today, capable of hitting Paris, Southern Russia and of course, Israel.
Though they will not confer it's range we believe this is the case.
SO we know Iran was Israel to disappear. (It says this in their constitution)
We know they are working on a Nuclear Program which the UN has vigoriously protested and warned of serious pouting if they do not comply.
So let's say Iran goes ahead with this program, finishes it clandestinly and launches a first Strike Nuke at Israel.
Or will they do this, knowing Israel will deliver a full Nuclear retaliation and the backing of the United States?
Does the US Retaliate with it's Nuclear arsenal?
Does this signal the beggining of the biblical Armegeddon?
WHat do you guys see in your crystal balls?
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Iran as a country has too much to live for to do something like that.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Iran as a country has too much to live for to do something like that.
Said it before...will say it again..............
Don't hold your breath.:(
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This time I disagree. A dying Israel would destroy the whole mid east in her last moments. I also have no doubt that they would target mecca, medina and najaf too.
Iran probably knows this too.
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GRUN.....Your prolly right.
Over the last few months...Years even...I have no confidence what so ever in anything that happens in the Middle East. absolutley none.
I think that place is truly a powder keg. (it was already I know , but worst day by day) I think it will take nothing to completely set it off as well.
Iran IMO is just as crazy as these extremists we see now. Its a gaggle of nuts with weapons that we really have no idea as nation what they have. I think they have more than we are told. I think it is a matter of time...and WE as a nation will be faced with bigger decisions than we have been in the past 3 years. Meaning the possible threat of using Nuke force on someone.
I really think it is just a matter of time...when WW3 is going to get kicked off.
Call me crazy...call me a doom sayer...whatever....I just don't see anything at this point in time that shows me anyone in that region is using any common sense. They all seem hell bent to destroy someone else...and NOW they are making big enuff bombs to do it. Or at least attempting to. If it's not Isreal it will be someone else.
One middle eastern person killing another killing even another...and ALL in the name of Allah....
Seems that guy Allah...confuses them alot.
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My balls aren't crystal so I guess that explains why I'm not as prophetic.
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Originally posted by Arlo
My balls aren't crystal so I guess that explains why I'm not as prophetic.
Not being prophetic ...just an opinion:(
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Read the first post then mine then,perhaps, you won't feel singled out. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Read the first post then mine then you won't feel singled out. ;)
Ahh...got ya;)
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Lets see,
Iran is bordered by Afganistan, Iraq and on its almost impassable northern border Turkmenistan.
It southern border is the Persian Gulf.
Iran is in danger of being surrounded by democractic countries. No wonder they feel threatened.
Inside Iran is a large contingent of citizens who remember better times under the Shaw. Just because Iran doesn't make much noise doesn't mean it isn't a powder keg all by itself.
Predictions follow:
1) Iran will attempt to build a nuclear weapon capability to prevent any country (the US) from invading like Afganistan and Iraq.
2) Israel will destroy Irans nuclear capablitiy before it can enrich uranium, just like they did to Iraq.
3) Iran will be outraged. The moslem countries including Egypt will be outraged, but secretly all of them will breath a sigh of relief and concentrate on getting concessions out of Israel.
4) If in the unlikely event Iran can build and attempt to deliver a nuclear missile to Israel it will be destroyed by 400 patriot batteries stationed in Saudia Arabia.
Iran is in danger of becoming even more isolated than Israel. If democracies flourish on its Easatern and Western borders, it is essentially landlocked.
Unlike Iraq Iran can be almost completely embargoed with a blockade of the Persian gulf. No oil out - no money in. No Iran.
The Saudia's have been home to Al Qaeda extemistes from 1920 when England established the middle eastern countries. Winston Churchill described Al Qaedal in that year and mentioned that he hoped the Saudi's could keep them under control.
The Saudi's have pursued a pollicy of appeasement until now. The Saudi King knows that he can't wound Al Qaeda, he has to crush the movement to survive.
The invasion of Afganistan and Iraq has changed the whole terrorist landscape. if democracy takes hold in these countries terrorism will be greatly weakened. The last signifcant terrorist country (Iran) will be cut off and vulnerable to blockade.
Its unstable now, but there is more reason for hope than discouragment.
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You may wish to consider revising your fourth prediction. The Patriot Product Line is the world's most advanced ground-based air defense system.
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If democracy takes off in Iraq, the Iranian people may affect their own regime change. It's no wonder Iran want to keep Iraq unstable.
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Israel absolutely wil not allow Iran to have nuclear weapons, that's pretty much the bottom line. Expect an attack on Iran sooner rather than later.
You heard it here first.
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Prophecy in the news. ;)
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
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Inside Iran is a large contingent of citizens who remember better times under the Shaw. Just because Iran doesn't make much noise doesn't mean it isn't a powder keg all by itself.
No doubt, you get your info from the same source as Dick.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Actually i watched the fall of Iran on television with a group of Iranians manufacturers who had fled the fall of the Shaw.
There was live TV coverage and tape. They would point out people and places they recognized from the footage.
One of them left his light bulb manufacturing plant ( it supplied the whole of the Middle East) and drove to a deserted stretch of road in a desert where a Cessna landed and picked him up to escape.
Although I am no longer in contact with these people, it is my impression they are still in contact with people in Iran and have interests there.
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They'll hit iran if they have nukes, theres no doubt in my mind.
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
Actually i watched the fall of Iran on television with a group of Iranians manufacturers who had fled the fall of the Shaw.
There was live TV coverage and tape. They would point out people and places they recognized from the footage.
One of them left his light bulb manufacturing plant ( it supplied the whole of the Middle East) and drove to a deserted stretch of road in a desert where a Cessna landed and picked him up to escape.
Although I am no longer in contact with these people, it is my impression they are still in contact with people in Iran and have interests there.
The "Shah of Iran" topic has been hashed out in another thread, maybe it might interest you, last page sums it up.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130674&perpage=50&highlight=shah&pagenumber=4
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Originally posted by Arlo
You may wish to consider revising your fourth prediction. The Patriot Product Line is the world's most advanced ground-based air defense system.
As good as the Patriot is at shooting down SCUD's and Toranado's I'm not sure on it's ability in shooting down something like the Taep'o-dong-2 which I assume is the 3 stage N.Korean missile that Iran has just tested, as it's only one they are suppose to have in development with a 4000km range.
...-Gixer
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Kiljoy,
Patriot, never shoot down Scud missiles, in first golf war, check last reports ,
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WW3 is going to be betwen muslim and cristians.
I belive in Nostradamus and Biblie's prophecys When is going to start?! Maybe is already stared , The Middle East is hot;US invasion in Irak,Israel, last huge oil reserve around Caspian Sea ,Iran want nukes .
Do you guys think Israel is going to bomb Iran's reactors ,same like they did with Irak's reactor? yesterday i read on news site that US sold 400-500 bunker busters bombs to Israel.
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Definition of a dumb f**k:
One that puts his trust in the rationality of moslem clerics.
Is anyone really impressed with the "they would not do it because it would be suicide"-argument when it is applied to a group of people who are prone to blow themselves up to kill as many innocent civilians as possible?
F*cktards. And yes, I mean you.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Definition of a dumb f**k:
One that puts his trust in the rationality of moslem clerics.
Is anyone really impressed with the "they would not do it because it would be suicide"-argument when it is applied to a group of people who are prone to blow themselves up to kill as many innocent civilians as possible?
F*cktards. And yes, I mean you.
How many of the mullahs or bigtime leaders have blown themselves up? How any of tyem don suicide bomb vests and go shopping in Isareli malls? Heck if thats what they were up to, this whole terror thing would end damn quick - all the leaders would be dead... They just send dumb fanatics to blow themselves up, they are just a weapons system and a tactic for delivery..
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Yes, must not think that anyone in a ruling position would do that...I mean its not as if there are a gazillion fatwas floating around giving anyone the right to do everything to kill as many jews as possible and be rewarded with paradise. And those mullas are prolly not religious deep down anyway...?
Besides, MAD will not work against these people. Heck MAD barely worked against the Soviet union, a civilized nation.
What happens if a nuke is detonated today in Tel Aviv, and Al Quaeda takes blame for it? Do you REALLY think that the answer will be a nuke launched from the US to Teheran...because I DONT. Heck, not even I would support the idea to murder millions of women and children just like that.
I never thought you were an idiot grun, dont prove me wrong now.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Iran as a country has too much to live for to do something like that.
Not a very good bet to make when you are dealing with Islamofascists.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Yes, must not think that anyone in a ruling position would do that...I mean its not as if there are a gazillion fatwas floating around giving anyone the right to do everything to kill as many jews as possible and be rewarded with paradise. And those mullas are prolly not religious deep down anyway...?
Besides, MAD will not work against these people. Heck MAD barely worked against the Soviet union, a civilized nation.
What happens if a nuke is detonated today in Tel Aviv, and Al Quaeda takes blame for it? Do you REALLY think that the answer will be a nuke launched from the US to Teheran...because I DONT. Heck, not even I would support the idea to murder millions of women and children just like that.
I never thought you were an idiot grun, dont prove me wrong now.
How did you go from al qaeda to tehran?
Thats quite different. One is nation state thats easilt targeted and destroyed and the other is a group of basically stateless terrorists..
But lets say that Iran does give al qaeda a nuke and aq uses it.
Its very easy to trace that back to iran, and so then buh bye Iran...
Or lets imagine Iran does go ahead and directly nuke isreal itself.
Are you saying that the leadership of Iran will be happy that israeli and usa nukes are on the way back to tehran and every major city and village in iran? Thats what would happend..
You cant extrapolate indivudual suiicide bombers to the way a whole self interested nation with something to live for will act.
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You are just so full of **** grun. I never thought that actually.
Western public opinion cannot bare 40 wedding guests killed in the desert, but would ok a nuke on Teheran, with the only evidence being some US intelligence report...6 months after a nuke detonated in Israel.
LOL yeah... Like I said, MAD does not work these days.
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I doubt Iran would use nukes in a first strike on Israel or supply them to OBL,unless like Israel their backs were against the wall.
When they look at what's happend to Afghanistan and Iraq their probably just looking at nuclear weapons as an insurance to prevent the same thing happening to them.
They've had a large amount of chemical and biological weapons for years. They haven't used those against Israel as they know that they would get ten fold back in return, same for any nuclear weapons.
...-Gixer
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And another one counting on the rationality of fundamentalist moslems.
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Some people seem to forget the difference between a nuke and chemical or biological weapons.
Some seem to think that a nuke would take out a city only or whatever. But a nuke is more than just the radius of the fireball or the shockwave.
A single megaton nuke in Israel would kill pretty much ever single man, woman and child in all of Israel. Do a ground burst in northern Israel when the wind conditions are right, and you will cover the entire nation with lethal rad-doses.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
You are just so full of **** grun. I never thought that actually.
Western public opinion cannot bare 40 wedding guests killed in the desert, but would ok a nuke on Teheran, with the only evidence being some US intelligence report...6 months after a nuke detonated in Israel.
LOL yeah... Like I said, MAD does not work these days.
So you are saying Israel would not retaliate to a nuke attack on here soil?
I think ur full of it hortlund..
Think abput what you just said.
Basicallyt that you think a nuclear strike on israel will go unpunished (as in no nuke retaliation) either by Isreal or the USA...
Thats just stupid...
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no matter what side use nukes first, it will be for sure the end
for the whole area.
we all would feel the economical results, and this could lead to
an global escalation.
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Israel will undoubtedly try, but their own nuclear capability might very well have been lost in a first strike. Israel is not that big a nation you know, and they dont have any nuclear missile submarines yet.
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Also hortlund this hypothetical about Iran is pretty silly when you copnsider that Pakistan allready has nukes, that pakistan military is full of taliban and aq nutbags, that pakistans cheif nuke scientist sold weapons secrets, that pakistan politics iis full of nutbags and that musharraf, god blesx him he is great guy so far is in a very bad spot controling all of these anti western intersts. Im 10X more worried about pakistan's existing nukes getting misplaced somehow than Iran's future nikues being used in a direct attack on israel..
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Israel will undoubtedly try, but their own nuclear capability might very well have been lost in a first strike. Israel is not that big a nation you know, and they dont have any nuclear missile submarines yet.
I trust that the Israeils have considered all sorts of possibilities to ensure that nuke israel = buh bye: agressior islamic nation, mecca, medina and najaf etc..
I dont think the Israeils take their armaggedon plans lightly.
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And what is the more desireable alternative for Israel ..and indeed the world... take out the Iranian WMD programs before they can manufacture a nuke, or hope that Israel manages to launch enough nukes to avenge her death?
Get your head out of your a**
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And Pakistans nuke are not dangerous to anyone but India, simply because those two are in a mexican standoff, and you dont point your gun anywhere else in a mexican standoff.
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Hillarious hortlund.
You are so willing to imagine that persian shiite Iran would freely give nukes to a bunch of sunni arab terrorists that make up al qaeda but dismiss the possibility out of hand that pakistan, the country where osama is now hiding and a country that pretty much made it possible for taliban to exist, and a country full of crazy pro al qaeda whabbist madrasa trained nutjobs in politics and governemt and the military could have one stolen and end up in aq hands.
OK hortlund.. Hillarious...
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Grow up if you want to argue with grown people.
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Well if the wind conditions are "right" could take out many Palestinians, not to mention the wind might just carry the radiation back to Iran.
Iran developes one or two nukes and gives them away? LOL, methinks they keep them for themselves. Iran is more concerned with its Arab neighbors over Israel. Israel has never invaded Iran. Israel actually helped with the weapons supplies to Iran.
Iran knows that to have a nuke, gives them a "get out of jail, free" card from getting invaded.
Just curious Hortlund, is it possible for you to have a civil discussion or do you just have this mental instability to lash out like a child because someone else has a different viewpoint?
Grow up.
Edit... Oh yeah, they are most fearful of a US invasion. Look what we did with Iraq.
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Who the hell said anything about Iran giving nukes away?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Who the hell said anything about Iran giving nukes away?
LOL, following your thinking here. They'd use their nukes so the world can see exactly where they came from? Can we say "PooF! Goodbye Iran?"
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Grow up if you want to argue with grown people.
LOL! Perhaps you'd like to show him how a grown up argues? Your gems of insults is NOT the way to "argue" like a "grown up."
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Israel only has tactical nukes. 10-30 kilotons.
Fallout from a nuclear attack isnt as bad as most people think. Chernobyl was much worse in terms of fallout than many modern nuclear weapons (can't quote the equivalent megatonnage right now).
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SaburoS
This is the most plausible scenario for Iranian nuke-use.
1) Nuke smuggled into Israel via Lebanon and Hezbollah
2) Nuke detonated in Tel Aviv
3) Someone else (Al Qaeda) takes blame
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I wonder if they could add another "octain" for irradiated gasoline? I wonder if it would cost more or less?
(Arlo pulls up to the pumps at night. One of the pumps is glowing. Arlo goes in to pay.)
Arlo: One of your pumps is glowing.
Attendant: Yeah ... that's our new "HFO" fuel.
Arlo: HFO fuel?
Attendent: High Fission Octain.
Arlo: Fission?
Attendant: Yeah ... it's nookalar.
Arlo: Nookalar?
Attendant: Nookalar! Nookalar!
Arlo: Ok .... nookalar. I noticed it costs an extra dollar a gallon. Is it, like, really super high octain or will it clean my valves or give me better gas milage?
Attendant: I don't think so .... but it will make your gums bleed and your hair fall out.
Arlo: Far out! Fill `er up!
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Hortlund your reasoinig is rearded if you think that Pakistan nukes are not a danger to be stolen by terrorists.
As for Iran nuclear weapons are easy to trace to their source, any country giving them to terrorists (just like you now proposed as your most likely Iranian attack via hezzbollah terrorists) would be found out easily and then dealt with. Not to mention that a transfer through lebanon would most certinly imply syraian knowledge which makes all of it quite cumbersome to pull off withoput mossad getting a wiff of it..
None of it is as simple as you think.. They will be traced to point of origin and the point of origin wull be wiped out..
But yea Iran is evil now and pakistan (well at least the president of pakistan, while he evades the latest assasinatyion attempt) is our friend now so you are gonna spin yiour little stories to fit the current conditions... IMO thats basically why you dismiss the potential danger of existant pakistani nukes ending up in terror hands and why you hype up the danger of hypothetical future Irianian nukes.
As for you insults I dont really care, we have all noticed its pretty much SOP for you when somebody doesnt give into your point of view in short order.. So yea go insult people..
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Originally posted by Hortlund
SaburoS
This is the most plausible scenario for Iranian nuke-use.
1) Nuke smuggled into Israel via Lebanon and Hezbollah
2) Nuke detonated in Tel Aviv
3) Someone else (Al Qaeda) takes blame
Actually there would be 5 steps to that scenario.
4) Uranium traces from the blast are identified as coming from Iranian reactors.
5) Israel and/or US Nukes Iran off the map for good.
And yes they really can trace the source of the uranium used where it was enriched and even the batch date.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Hortlund
SaburoS
This is the most plausible scenario for Iranian nuke-use.
1) Nuke smuggled into Israel via Lebanon and Hezbollah
2) Nuke detonated in Tel Aviv
3) Someone else (Al Qaeda) takes blame
So all this deception effort by luntic Irianian moslem cleric suicide bombers, why? To hide the true origin of the weapons and so avoid a retaliory nuclear strike on Iran? SURELY NOT! I thought you said reciprocal destruction wasnt a concern for said lunatic iranian clerics?
Pffft hortlund, pretty sloppy there - for an adult...
:rofl
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"As for you insults I dont really care, we have all noticed its pretty much SOP for you when somebody doesnt give into your point of view in short order.. So yea go insult people.."
I always wonder why people so often resort to personal insults. Especially when arguing over some point on a message board.
I just assume they are menstruating. and carry on. :)
...-Gixer
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4) Uranium traces from the blast are identified as coming from Iranian reactors.
5) Israel and/or US Nukes Iran off the map for good.
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Steps 4 and 5 would come weeks or months after the fact, and there would not be any retaliatory strike coming from the US after that. Like I said, US public opinion cannot stomach 40 killed wedding guests, but you guys sit here and think you would launch a nuke on Teheran. That is so dumb it boogles the mind.
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So once agin Hortlund's position is that isreal can be nuked with no reciprocal consequences to the attcakers...
That boggles the mind... In fact thats just plain silly...
BTW before yoiu try to weazel your way out of your comments lets remember that you expressed dounbts about Isreal ability to respond after such an attcak. So its pretty clear where you stand.
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So, since Im supporting Israel Im a nazi? Read a history book you dumb f**k.
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My stand is that Iran should never be allowed to have nukes, and Im all for a pre-emptive strike against Iran if that is what it takes to keep them from having nukes. Now go **** yourself you fat ****.
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Iran does not build nuclear missiles to hit Israel. They build nuclear missiles as an insurance that the Iraq scenario will not repeat itself in Iran. Once they have them, they will be safe of US invasion.
Israel is just the hostage, plus it sends vibes of joy in the muslim world when someone threatens Israel.
Nuclear weapon is an insurance of not loosing a war - not a mean to start/win it.
Bozon
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Originally posted by Hortlund
SaburoS
This is the most plausible scenario for Iranian nuke-use.
1) Nuke smuggled into Israel via Lebanon and Hezbollah
2) Nuke detonated in Tel Aviv
3) Someone else (Al Qaeda) takes blame
4) Uranium traces from the blast are identified as coming from Iranian reactors.
5) Israel and/or US Nukes Iran off the map for good.
LOL!!! :rofl
Hey this is almost as "plausible" as your Saddam's Al Quaida Sleeper cells in the US with their mass mail Anthrax attack!
So just how are they gonna smuggle an Atomic bomb into Israel without detection? How big is it going to be? Will it be a nuclear or atomic warhead? You really think they can manufacture 1 megaton warheads/bombs? How many will they manufature?
They are smart enough to manufacture their own atomic bomb, but stupid enough to leave possible evidence? Pure fiction, dude.
How about we try this more plausible scenario:
After seeing the US plan and execute a major invasion and occupation of Iraq (Iran's long standing, historical enemy), Iran feels that it definately needs to have an "equalizer" to protect itself. They have been publicly targeted by the same administration that has pulled off the Iraq invasion/occupation.
They feel they have no alternative now because if they did have nukes, we wouldn't be rattling our sabres against them.
Iran has more to fear from it's Arab neighbors and the US rather than Israel. Recent to distant history bears this out.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
My stand is that Iran should never be allowed to have nukes, and Im all for a pre-emptive strike against Iran if that is what it takes to keep them from having nukes. Now go **** yourself you fat ****.
LOL, you know that you are awful "brave" with US troops when it comes to pre-emptive strikes. How about you get off your tush in front of your monitor and show real conviction and get yourself over there?
Here's a tip for you as when Skuzzy gets back, we're going to see a lot of posts by you replaced with "personal attack"
Maybe you're just not as bright as you think you are.
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And for some reason you think that your posts will not be considered personal attacks... Pot..kettle...all that.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
My stand is that Iran should never be allowed to have nukes, and Im all for a pre-emptive strike against Iran if that is what it takes to keep them from having nukes. Now go **** yourself you fat ****.
:rofl :rofl
I love it! Grunherz you are wrong and I am right because you eat too much!!!
What a moron you are acting like hortlund.. And to think you called for more "adult" behahivor from others..
Loser! Now go get drunk and hope to forget how pitiful your childish behavior is..
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Your fat, Grun?
I always pictured you as being quite wirey.
;)
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Unfortunately so, my love of american hamburgers leads me to be wrong on all matter major world issues and thse important bbs disputes.
:D
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Read back to put it into context you moron.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Read back to put it into context you moron.
Are you drunk yet?
BTW why dont you save skuzzy the time and just write in "Personal Attack" as your reply in every post..
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i allweys wanted to glow in the dark :cool:
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Discussion so far
Grunherz: Blah blah blah I dont know what Im talking about blah blah blah
Hortlund: You are wrong
Grunherz: blah blah LOL blah blah I still dont have a clue, but I keep talking blah blah
Hortlund: You are an idiot
Grunherz: LOL skuzzy will delete your evil posts.
Hortlund: Sure, you still dont know what the hell you are talking about though.
SaburoS: LOL Hortlund you are a moron, skuzzy will delete your personal attacks blah blah blah I also dont know what Im talking about, but you all know that already because of my previous posting history blah blah
Hortlund: What-ever.
Grunherz & SaburoS: LOLZ skuzzy will delete your posts.
Hortlund: I think you have said that 15 times already in this post.
Grunherz&SaburoS: LOLZ skuzzy will delete your posts.
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Hortlund, what do you gain from the ad hominem remarks?
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What do I gain? What does anyone gain from BB posting?
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Would it cost you anything to say your piece in a polite way?
Why negatively prejudice your argument by insulting people?
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Originally posted by Toad
Would it cost you anything to say your piece in a polite way?
Why negatively prejudice your argument by insulting people?
Because he cant actually argue. Once you challenge his points he can only offer up insults..
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Because he cant actually argue. Once you challenge his points he can only offer up insults..
And in your opinion this is not an insult?
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Originally posted by Toad
Would it cost you anything to say your piece in a polite way?
Why negatively prejudice your argument by insulting people?
Grunherz and SaburoS are lost causes. Ive been on this BB since 2001, and I have yet to see them as capable of reasonable debate without ad hominems. After a while you give up trying because you know what will follow. *shrug* You may have a different experience with them, I dunno. But thats mine.
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I rest my case...
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Good, then sit down and be quiet from here on.
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:rofl :rofl
Look he just cant stop throwing the insults, amazing..
Cmon Hortlund tell us all how Iran will get away with nuking Israel with your deviopusly smart plan of giving nukes to hezbullah?
:rofl
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You do know what "I rest my case" means and where it comes from...yes?
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Yes hortlund, but I dont care, not about your former career, its terminolgy or your insults. Its an online BBS and not a courtroom...
You see hortlund your basic problem is that your arrogance far exceeds your intelligence, both perceived and actual. Thats why argue the way you do, and you demonstare this negative trait in nearly every discussion..
And its only gotten worse the agrier and more combative you have become on this board...
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So when you said you "rest your case" you actually meant something else, got it. How Kerryesque of you.
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:aok
Man that argument just shook me to my core...
:rofl
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That wasnt an argument. In fact, I have given up trying to argue with you. Maybe its because I grow weary of your anti-semetic croatian fascistic opinions, or maybe it is because I have realized there is no arguing with a punkass fat kid.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
That wasnt an argument. In fact, I have given up trying to argue with you. Maybe its because I grow weary of your anti-semetic croatian fascistic opinions, or maybe it is because I have realized there is no arguing with a punkass fat kid.
:rofl :rofl
Lets see:
I hate jews now because I dont think Iran could get away clean after killing millions of israelis with a nuclear bomb. Plus its just an asinine arguemt anyway and in no way in line with anything I ever said on the board as an open supporter of Israel..
OK, no wonder you arent a lawyer any more.
And once again, your basic argument comes back to is that I'm wrong beacuse I like food. Thats kind of sad hortlund, for you..
But thank you hortlund, really thanks! Showing what an arrogant person you are.. And the best part of it is that you dont even see how your hateful arrogance works against you here..
But have it yoiur way..
:aok
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I am a lawyer. Sorry.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I am a lawyer. Sorry.
For the world, I accept your apology. :D
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Originally posted by Flyboy
i allweys wanted to glow in the dark :cool:
use a luminescent condom :D
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Originally posted by Toad
Would it cost you anything to say your piece in a polite way?
Why negatively prejudice your argument by insulting people?
By doing so it help the steam go out :D
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Discussion so far
Grunherz: Blah blah blah I dont know what Im talking about blah blah blah
Hortlund: You are wrong
Grunherz: blah blah LOL blah blah I still dont have a clue, but I keep talking blah blah
Hortlund: You are an idiot
Grunherz: LOL skuzzy will delete your evil posts.
Hortlund: Sure, you still dont know what the hell you are talking about though.
SaburoS: LOL Hortlund you are a moron, skuzzy will delete your personal attacks blah blah blah I also dont know what Im talking about, but you all know that already because of my previous posting history blah blah
Hortlund: What-ever.
Grunherz & SaburoS: LOLZ skuzzy will delete your posts.
Hortlund: I think you have said that 15 times already in this post.
Grunherz&SaburoS: LOLZ skuzzy will delete your posts.
Oh gee, you poor victim!
LOL, no wonder you have problems with "facts". You can't even get the posts in this thread right.
Fact, you came in in your typical condesating fashion hurling insults, not facts. Then you have the gall to tell someone else to argue like an adult.
Question: Are you like this in real life? Do you really start hurling insults just because someone disagrees with you? If so, I feel sorry for you, really. It's bad enough you have to act out your childish rants here on this BBS. I really hope you aren't like this in real life.
Yeah this post will get deleted by Skuzzy as Off topic (as well as personal insult, possibly). I didn't come out of the blue with these comments, you invited them by your posting style and content.
You could have very well just added your commentary without the direct insults.
I'll give you some samples of your very own posts (and no I won't change a thing, unlike what you do):
Hortlund:1) Definition of a dumb f**k:
F*cktards. And yes, I mean you.
Hortlund: 2) I never thought you were an idiot grun, dont prove me wrong now.
Hortlund: 3) You are just so full of **** grun. I never thought that actually.
Grunhertz: 4) Thats just stupid...
Hortlund: 5) Get your head out of your a**
Grunhertz: 6) Hillarious hortlund.
OK hortlund.. Hillarious...
Hortlund: 7) Grow up if you want to argue with grown people.
SaburoS: 8) Just curious Hortlund, is it possible for you to have a civil discussion or do you just have this mental instability to lash out like a child because someone else has a different viewpoint?
Grow up.
SaburoS: 9) LOL! Perhaps you'd like to show him how a grown up argues? Your gems of insults is NOT the way to "argue" like a "grown up."
Grunhertz: 10) Hortlund your reasoinig is rearded if you think that Pakistan nukes are not a danger to be stolen by terrorists.
Grunhertz: 11) Pffft hortlund, pretty sloppy there - for an adult...
GScholz : 12) Hortlund is back, and he's got issues. What's the problem? Got the swastika tattoo on backwards or what?
Hortlund: 13) So, since Im supporting Israel Im a nazi? Read a history book you dumb f**k.
Hortlund: 14) Now go **** yourself you fat ****.
SaburoS: 15) Here's a tip for you as when Skuzzy gets back, we're going to see a lot of posts by you replaced with "personal attack"
Maybe you're just not as bright as you think you are.
Grunhertz: 16) What a moron you are acting like hortlund.. And to think you called for more "adult" behahivor from others..
Loser! Now go get drunk and hope to forget how pitiful your childish behavior is..
Hortlund: 17) Read back to put it into context you moron.
Grunhertz: 18) Are you drunk yet?
LOL, I'm stopping here. Hortlund, do you see a pattern? Here's betting that if you'd stop with the insults, you'd get better responses. Bah, you won't see it :rolleyes:
For the record, qite a few posts will be deleted as "personal attack" and "off topic". Some will be mine as well as others. Most will be yours though.
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I had a moment to look over the whole thread I am just amazed that hortlund actually thinks his argument style is particularly adult in any way.
Pretty strange, I think its his arrogance taking over his reason..
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Grunherz and SaburoS are lost causes. Ive been on this BB since 2001, and I have yet to see them as capable of reasonable debate without ad hominems. After a while you give up trying because you know what will follow. *shrug* You may have a different experience with them, I dunno. But thats mine.
Last time you went into insult mode against me, I retaliated and gave reasons for my insults.
Reasonable debate!!?? From you??!! LOLOLOLLOLOL!!!:rofl
Hortlund, you need to buy a Clue dude, cause I don't think they're handing them out where you're at.
Your memory is failing you.
Hint: I respond in kind to the individual.
Yeah, Skuzzy's going to delete this and yours, too.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
"Definition of a dumb f**k:
One that puts his trust in the rationality of moslem clerics.
Is anyone really impressed with the "they would not do it because it would be suicide"-argument when it is applied to a group of people who are prone to blow themselves up to kill as many innocent civilians as possible?
F*cktards. And yes, I mean you."
That was hortlunds first reponse in the thread, and now he complains of personal attacks as problems in other peoples arguments. Very strange.. Amnesia or arrogance?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I had a moment to look over the whole thread I am just amazed that hortlund actually thinks his argument style is particularly adult in any way.
Pretty strange, I think its his arrogance taking over his reason..
Grun,
I have to hand it to you though, you ignored his first few posts of personal insults and tried acting the adult for a bit. Surprised you waited as long as you did before "retaliating". I'm not so patient anymore of some individuals.
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LOL you got me there. Just look at Hortlund's version of events as he posted. My goodness, he's such a victim.
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Its just odd to me , does he not read his own posts? Maybe he just doesnt perceive what he writes and the way he responds to be insulting and condescending. That might make sense if he is really as arrogand as he comes across here..
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Grun,
Bah, enough. We're just stating the obvious...looking like a pigpile.
Here's going off topic.... How's your photography coming along? You plan on getting a new lens? Also did you see the prices on Sandisk's UltraII CF cards? $184.00 for a 2GB card!!
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I think Dell even had them for $163.00.. :)
I just bought some Cokin ND Graduated filters and want to get to use them soon. The D70 blows higlights a lot so sunsets were very challenging to expose unless I just wanted shilloutes of the landscape.
No new lenses for me, just my kit lens, the 70-300, and the 50 1.8..
Did you get your 20D yet?
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I tried Dell but they were out of them. Canceled my order and went with B&H (they're my main dealer).
Try shooting in NEF mode instead of JPEG. You can change exposure and white balance w/out affecting negatively your image (added noise, artifacts, etc).
If you have a tripod, you can shoot two shots of the same scene. Expose one for the highlight details, the second for the shadow details. You can then use this program :
http://www.fredmiranda.com/shopping/DRI
...to combine the best of both images to create a single image with even better dynamic range of even the best film shot. If you haven't got it yet, get Photoshop CS. It is all that! If too pricey, use Photoshop Elements 2.0 as the linked software will work in Elements also.
Oh yeah, got my 20D :D With my UltraII card, saw 5fps for 39 frames (varies depending on the settings and the shot) in Hires JPEG. RAW is stuck at 6 fps though (The 10D has 9 fps RAW capability), although the processing speed is blazing! Love having the 100 ISO 1/8000th shutter speed.
Despite all the capabilities of the 20D, I'd still recommend the D70 for those starting in DSLR photography. Very good performance for the money. It's kit lens is so good that Canon had to make a new one for the 20D ;) (the 18-55mm kit lens sucks).
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CS would be nice but too expensive for now, but I think I will get it next year.
I have an old photoshop (version 5.5) I wonder how much they have added since then? Would elements be an upgrade on this version when it comes to digital photo editing - beyond being able to use this double exposure program you linked?
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CS has two things going for it:
Camera RAW
Upsizing of images cleanly (without jaggies and noise-although it will get "softer").
Elements is a lean, dumbed down version of Photoshop.
Go to Adobe and try out both Elements 2.0 (ver 3.0 due out soon) and Photoshop CS. Free 30 day trial I think. You can decide which is better for you.
BTW, to upsize in CS:
Use the percentage function, use 110% @ both vert/horiz., Bicubic Smoother. Keep repeating until you get the size you want. Warning though as I upsized 300dpi to 40"x60", ran about 1.7GB size.
Heck it's late. Goodnight!
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I am a lawyer. Sorry.
:rofl That explains everything. :lol
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by SaburoS
looking like a pigpile.
Yup.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Originally posted by Hortlund
"Definition of a dumb f**k:
One that puts his trust in the rationality of moslem clerics.
Is anyone really impressed with the "they would not do it because it would be suicide"-argument when it is applied to a group of people who are prone to blow themselves up to kill as many innocent civilians as possible?
F*cktards. And yes, I mean you."
That was hortlunds first reponse in the thread, and now he complains of personal attacks as problems in other peoples arguments. Very strange.. Amnesia or arrogance?
I think you will notice in that post that I was not directing it at anyone in particular...yet you felt like it was aimed at you.
Well...if the shoe fits...
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Amazing hortlund, especially after you just wrote a "I'm the poor victim here" kind of post..
But no I didnt feel it was aimed at me and I certainly didnt respond that way to your post the other day...
Not that it really matters, you are right that post wasnt about any other person - it was about you and showing who you are and how poorly you argue...
And this latest post is the same, you just cant stop the arrogant insults can you?
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So anyway, back on topic... Grun loves American hamburgers.
-SW
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sorry to barge in, but what are we debating on?
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Grunherz loving American hamburgers, what else would anyone debate about?
Personally, I think he loves the Hot Rocks burger from Fuddruckers.
-SW
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Fuddruckers is pretty damn good.. :)
And Flyboy I think the discussion was a lot about Hortlund's theory that Iran could nuke Israel and get away with it without like retaliation from Israel or the usa.
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There's a Fuddruckers down the street from where I work. I think I will visit them today for a burger.
That or KooRooRoo chicken (or some **** like that) thats got some awesome rotisserie chicken. Same building as Fuddruckers.
Damn, now I don't know which one I want more.
Why must food be so delicious?!
-SW
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Fuddruckers is pretty damn good.. :)
And Flyboy I think the discussion was a lot about Hortlund's theory that Iran could nuke Israel and get away with it without like retaliation from Israel or the usa.
well lets thank god that hurtland isnt running iran...yet
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I think the only thing greater than his weight is his ability to understand what he reads.
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:aok Hortlund! I, and I assume most others here, simply cant match your finely trained argumentative style.
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Let's try this.....
May we never have to face the reality of anything nuclear ever happening anywhere....that is one reality which we all could agree would upset the entire worlds psyche.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Hey Grun, that's actually a compliment on your intelligence. ;)
That or sarcasm...yes.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Hey Grun, that's actually a compliment on your intelligence. ;)
Yes, but I was asuming it was somehow intended as an insult. Pretty safe bet considering it was a hortlund post..
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Fuddruckers is pretty good. Yet... they're twice as expensive as In 'n' Out, but not twice as good. ;)
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You could probably grill some at home and save yourself the expense.
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there is something in the air in the US that makes you just eat more.
in my 3 weeks in the US i gained 3 kilos!
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Originally posted by Sandman
Fuddruckers is pretty good. Yet... they're twice as expensive as In 'n' Out, but not twice as good. ;)
True..
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On the east coast, we only hear the rumor of In-n-Out. Never have we seen this promised land. Someday we hope to find it, and hope it is good as the prophecies.
We do have Five Guys though, they got some damn good burgers and fries that make brown paper bags see through.
-SW
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Originally posted by GScholz
I must visit your country sometime, if not for anything else than to try your hamburgers. The only "made in the USA" burgers we get here are Mc D. and Burger Crap, and they make me start bleeding from the ears!
Meat is meat, but I bet you guys know best how to make perfect hamburgers.
Come visit me GS, I'll cook up the best burger you've ever dreamed about :)
Hortlund has 4450 posts now, amazing he hasnt been banned yet with the personal attacks he is infamous for.
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I love american hamburgers...had this one from a place in Bellevue, Seattle where they hung the tray on the doors of the car (hey it was amazing at the time! :D)
Tronsky