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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hawklore on September 25, 2004, 08:00:43 PM
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Saw an Ad on TV saying Kerry would be death to the NRA and 2nd Amendment if he wen't into office...
And they showed the UN and others who want our guns away..
Scared me, I don't wanna rely on the US Military/Goverment/And Police Forces to protect us, cause they could turn on us if they wanted, the Goverment that is..
:eek:
2nd Amendment
The Natural Homeland Security....
Even though the NRA is saying that, I think it works as well..
NRA is royal screwing over some of the Gun Clubs we are doing tacticals at...
WE=WWII Reenactor
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Curious....how is the NRA screwing over your gun clubs?
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Insurance, not willing to provide insurance but still want us to pay them...
Something like that..
I dunno, I'm not the owner, but thats what he was saying..
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I mean us WWII/Civil War/and other time perioud reenactors..
Put $1,000.00 of dollars into this, and get nothing in retrurn but the fun of reenacting, and friendships.
Some even bring their jeeps and don't even get a break off of the $25.00 registration fee..
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That's kind of weird.
I belong to a really GREAT shooting range. You are your own Rangemaster and the facilities are excellent for all ranges of pistol from 5 yards out to 100 yards. We have rifle from 100-500 meter; we've even got a military style range with targets that you can pull down into a trench a la WW2 ranges. You can also throw clays for shotguns.
Our board says we absolutely could not exist without the NRA insurance help.
Go figure.
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Hawklore, dont worry, you will always have your toy guns to play with.
And where does the second amendment to your Constitution say "you have the right to firearms for "homeland security."
That is a new term, son. One manufactured by the fear mongerers in your country.
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Guns are not toys, Loser.
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Civil war and WW2 re-enactors shoot blanks or caps.. those are toys.
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Originally posted by loser
Civil war and WW2 re-enactors shoot blanks
No need to bring their sex life into it. :D
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A real gun shooting blanks is still a real gun.
The NRA is the best friend any person who belives in the second amendment could have. They are tireless in defending our rights from those who would take them away. kerrie is an enemy of freedom and gun rights.
lazs
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Hawklore, dont worry, you will always have your toy guns to play with.
And where does the second amendment to your Constitution say "you have the right to firearms for "homeland security."
That is a new term, son. One manufactured by the fear mongerers in your country.
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loser maybe you need to take a closer look at the US constitution. I'd say the second amendment is all about homeland security.
"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
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"No need to bring their sex life into it." ROFL! Talking about Ripsnort?! :lol
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2nd Amend Protects the First Amend
Hawklore..You really should not come in here and say NRA is bad..then say... "somthn liek that..I dotn know..the owner said somthing like that"...
That is really hard for me to beleive being an NRA memebr for 12 years I can hardly see them trying to hurt the very people they survive on.
NRA does make me a bit mad when i get all this "free" crap..they send for donations..I would gladly donate an dnot get a " Member Recoginaztion Certiificate"..I mean..wtf..Im going to frame that and put it on my wall?..lololo
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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Originally posted by loser
Civil war and WW2 re-enactors shoot blanks or caps.. those are toys.
Our guns, can kill..
We live fire at Civil War and WWII Events..
They are real weapons, and even the blanks can maim or injur..
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Good call on that Gunslinger, infact that has been one of the big arguments early on in gun control. The 2nd amendment was set up specifically created to allow individual states and townships to create their own militia. Anti-Gun nuts have used that to say that now that we have a well established military the 2nd amendment has no bering because states do not use milita forces.
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it allways reminds me of a latin phrase I read in the book "digital fortress"
Of course I cant remember the latin part but in english it was something like "who will police the police"
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Loser.....2nd admendment.
Sorry guy but it was said by Thomas Jefferson and Good ole Ben Franklin among others a looonnnngggg [long] time ago.
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A patched ball from a .577 cal Enfield can easily hit a bowling pin at 200 yards with a little practice.
Les
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"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun.
While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind.
Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind.
Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walk."
-- Encyclopedia of Thomas Jefferson
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Originally posted by Toad
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun.
While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind.
Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind.
Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walk."
-- Encyclopedia of Thomas Jefferson
That's nice, but how did people get by in the days before guns were invented? The Romans were somewhat "focussed", and had no guns.
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Originally posted by beet1e
That's nice, but how did people get by in the days before guns were invented? The Romans were somewhat "focussed", and had no guns.
The crossbow. I had you a picture of a Roman crossbow fibula from the 3-4th century, but since image posting is down you may use your imagination. :D
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
it allways reminds me of a latin phrase I read in the book "digital fortress"
Of course I cant remember the latin part but in english it was something like "who will police the police"
Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
"But who will guard the guards?"
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They probably went walking with sword, spear or bow Beetle.
I was just pointing out that it's pretty obvious what our Founders intended by the 2nd. They wrote enough about their thoughts on guns in general to make it clear to anyone with an open mind and an average intellect.
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I would think that spear or sword handling would have been a very useful skill back then.... course ya bot to have one and most tyrants took em away from conquered nations...
lazs
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Somehow I picture you Lazs as having a large hammer or '69 Chevelle 396 SS Coupe as your weapon of choice.
Les
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Originally posted by Toad
They probably went walking with sword, spear or bow Beetle.
The origin of why we drive on the left in Britain is that historically, wayfarers passed other wayfarers on a reciprocal heading in each other's 3 o'clock position, not the 9 o'clock. That was so that the wayfarer's sword hand would be on the same side as any potential aggressor. (Too bad if you're left handed) And the custom of shaking hands as part of a greeting was to show that your sword hand was free and not bearing a weapon.
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Originally posted by Pei
Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
"But who will guard the guards?"
YUP that's it....thanks
beet1e those are the same origins as the modern day salute. Raising of the right hand was a sign of respect and a show of none aggression IE unarmed
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Insurance, not willing to provide insurance but still want us to pay them...
Something like that..
I dunno, I'm not the owner, but thats what he was saying..
in the NRA's defense ( no I don't give them any money, counter productive since it will just go directly o the GOP anyway), from an insurance/gun-safety standpoint re-enactors are a nightmare.
while I personally find it interesting, you are pointing firearms at things you don't want to see dead.
you are using a gun for a toy (maybe 'prop' would be more accurate).
while you aren't using live ammo, having a live round show up
where only blanks are expected isn't exactly un-heard of.
even with blanks debris in the, barrel or on the wadding can be an effective if not efficient projectile.
I'd hope you could find insurance somewhere, but just trying to show you a few reasons why they might not provide it.
one question I have is how they make you pay them. NRA can't force you to contribute, I f you don't think they are providing you with a useful service, don't pay.
most ranges require membership, but that also comes with the insurance. you shouldn't have a hard time arguing the point that if you are exempt from the NRA ins coverage, the range should exempt you from the NRA membership requirement.
btw- refusing to provide insurance isn't exactly screwing you, it's just not helping you out.
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I left the NRA when I saw more money spent on junk mail postage than my yearly donation.
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That's not a good enough reason RPM.
What if everyone left because of that. Not much to be proud of.
Les
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Sounds like a pretty good reason to me. If your dues do little more than finance recruiting, what's the point?
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I have to ::::Gulp:::: agree w/ RPM. I got really tired of them asking for money from me every two weeks. I did write letters and such that they asked me to but the fact that they wanted more money and I never got my free hat/keychain that was promised made me kinda mad.
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the larger the membership the less chance we will be trifled with. just that simple... if you don't want to support pro gun candidates or... you just don't like republicans then you probly shouldn't even be a gun owner in any case.
lazs
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I'm a member of the NRA and I hardly ever get any nag letters in the mail. It probably happens mostly in those states where the anti-gun politicians are, ie blue America.
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... like Texas?
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Originally posted by Sandman
Sounds like a pretty good reason to me. If your dues do little more than finance recruiting, what's the point?
True. I had a friend who was a card carrying member of the aclu. He quit them because they weren't liberal enough.
Les
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I agree with Laz ........."if you don't want to support pro gun candidates or... you just don't like republicans then you probly shouldn't even be a gun owner in any case."
I'd also like to add though that those folks should also carry a sign declaring that they have no use for guns and feel totaly secure knowing that law enforcement officials will always be a few minutes away from comming to their aid in time of need. It will also give me warning to stay far away from these folks.
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I would go further and say that those who are rabid anti gun should say so with a sign on their front lawn saying that "this is a gun free houshold. there are no guns available to the people who live here"
I think any gun owner or believer in our second amendment rights who does not support the NRA is a freeloader.
lazs
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NRA of course is the largest, but does anyone have experience with any of these orgs?
Gun Owners of America
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
Second Amendment Foundation
mauser
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yes... I am aware of them. I guess I should rephrase and say that if yu do not support some group that defends our second amendment rights then you are a freeloader.
I do believe that because of it's large membership that the NRA is perhaps the most effective tho.
lazs
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CPRA...
California Pistol and Rifle Association
I agree I hate the crap the NRA sends me..Seems liek a waste of money..
But to quit becuase of that is a wimpylinguine spinned dont stand up for your most basic rights weasel pos panty waist action...
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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'While I personally find it interesting, you are pointing firearms at things you don't want to see dead.
you are using a gun for a toy (maybe 'prop' would be more accurate).'
You obviously arn't a reenactor from that statement..
We do not point guns at eachother, we aim off to the sides..
And we do not use the guns as toys, we respect our weapons, and go to great lengths to insure safety.
Guns are not Toys, and we do not play with them...
Brass blanks are as dangerous as a real bullet, if the brass is old, it will shatter and send shrapnel down the barrel, thats why we aim away from people, but freak accidents happen, like when I was at an event, a guy was laying down, from a hit, and a german shot his rifle and the brass ricochetd off the gravel and into his bicep..
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Damn Germans.
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Originally posted by ra
Damn Germans.
That brings up another issue, the german that shot him was at his side in the medical tent..
Reenacting community is the biggest family I'm apart of, and proud of it..
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I used to be a member of both the NRA and the ACLU. Now I am a member of neither. Although I did buy a lifetime membership for my son the week he was born. The subscription to "American Rifleman" is good, but I am tired of the never ending junk mailings.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
You obviously arn't a reenactor from that statement..
We do not point guns at eachother, we aim off to the sides..
I can only speak of the re-enactments I've seen (mostly civil war), and while they were likely 'aiming off to the side', they were still aiming close enough to each other for my father to give you a butt kicking for pointing a gun at someone.
about 45 degrees off is about as close as would have been tolerated. granted I've only seen 4 or 5 re-enactments but looked to me that if they were aiming to the side it was 5 or 10 degrees at the most.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
I can only speak of the re-enactments I've seen (mostly civil war), and while they were likely 'aiming off to the side', they were still aiming close enough to each other for my father to give you a butt kicking for pointing a gun at someone.
about 45 degrees off is about as close as would have been tolerated. granted I've only seen 4 or 5 re-enactments but looked to me that if they were aiming to the side it was 5 or 10 degrees at the most.
We also Elevate..
Over long distances, to keep it real, we keep the barrel level..
When we get closer the barrels elevate..