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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gixer on September 29, 2004, 05:54:04 AM
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Someone please tell me which of the main news channels will be broadcasting this live? ABC,FOX,CBS etc.
...-Gixer
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I bet most of them will, if not try the cable news channels. It will be a waste of time. The candidates will n ot adress anything in a serious way and I expect them to say crap like...
"education is good"
"I like puppies"
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If folks rely on these "debates" to form an opinion as to who they should vote then they are better off not voting at all.
There are plenty of other ways to understand which side of the issues each candidate comes down on. Both have “records”, websites and literature etc. The voting public ought to take a little more responsibility in deciding who they want for a leader then simply turning on CNN or Fox.
If they rely on scripted events like conventions, commercials, news sound bites or "debates" to decide who they should vote for they wont be making an informed decision. Lazy people shouldn’t vote.
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These "debates" have something like 30+ page long contract. I suspect anything that might possibly cause trouble for either candidate has been negotiated away..
For example in the 2000 debates Al Gore did a terrible job, in part because of his arrogant attitude, body and facial gestures seen during Bush's responses. So this year one of the parties demanded that cameras only show the candidate who is speaking at the moment not both candidates. Plus I heard that the candidates arte not allowed to question each other directly.
So... Its not really a debate.. Its more of a moderated pre arranged joint press conference by both candidates..
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Strange system. Over here the PM gets questioned by the opposition every Wednesday. Blair has tried to water it down, and has succeeded in shortening it, but at least you get to see some direct questioning at Blair by the other parties.
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That’s all theatrical nonsense.
Facial gestures?
As I said if folks base their decision to elect the most powerful leader in the world on facial gestures then we would all be better off if they just didn't vote at all.
BTW since the League of Women Voters stopped sponsoring the debates in 1988 there has been a similar "list" for each debate there after. Just this year both parties agreed to make the "list" public for the first time. It’s only "news" now because the talking heads can hold the piece of paper up while they roll their eyes and pretend how ridiculous the current "list" appears.
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The debates arent part of the political system. They are negotiated between the 2 parties irrespective of the "government". The 2 parties set the rules. As such dont expect to ever see a 3rd party candidate get invited to one. Bush Sr. learned his lesson from Perot.
There's no legal requiremnt that candidates debate at all. But if you look at the larger picture the entire campaigns on both sides is just one grand debate. There's no need for these "sitcoms".
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Originally posted by Dowding
Strange system. Over here the PM gets questioned by the opposition every Wednesday. Blair has tried to water it down, and has succeeded in shortening it, but at least you get to see some direct questioning at Blair by the other parties.
I couldn't imagine Bush surviving alot of direct questions in the way Blair does. He seems to get pretty confused and starts to mumble when even the press ask a few questions. Probably why he avoids such situations.
...-Gixer
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One of them can't speak english. The other speaks english but is completely full of isht. I think I'll watch a ball game instead.
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Got that right Funk. I am glad I got some stuff PVR'd up so this garbage does not find its way into my home. I'll never understand anyone that would actually wants to listen to this stuff. Lies, lies, and more lies. Oh boy!!
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starts to mumble
Really? give me one, just one example of Bush mumbling.
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Originally posted by Steve
Really? give me one, just one example of Bush mumbling.
Its waffling on question he doesn't quite know. Not exactly mumbling.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Got that right Funk. I am glad I got some stuff PVR'd up so this garbage does not find its way into my home. I'll never understand anyone that would actually wants to listen to this stuff. Lies, lies, and more lies. Oh boy!!
One can learn much from the countenance of a man:)
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The only thing I figure you can learn from this is how well each of them can lie.
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Originally posted by Steve
Really? give me one, just one example of Bush mumbling.
I can't remember the occasion but recently and for the first time in a while he was answering some general media questions and while most were on Iraq were he can just repeat the usual "freedom, thugs and assasins" lines. You can see he lacked confidence and found it dificult to answer some questions. One series of questions he resorted to a sort of "Hmmm" and didn't answer them at all.
He stumbles and mumbles alot. Why unless he has a speech he rarely takes questions on his own, which is unusual given the amouint going on these days and that the country is suppose to be at war.
...-Gixer
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Why unless he has a speech he rarely takes questions on his own
Wrong. Have you ever attended a speech?
Any other crap you care to invent for the sake of your position?
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Its waffling.....
Yikes! Are you sure you are talking about Bush and not Kerry?
Can you site examples of Bush's waffling? If you want I can site numerous examples of Kerry doing so.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Strange system. Over here the PM gets questioned by the opposition every Wednesday. Blair has tried to water it down, and has succeeded in shortening it, but at least you get to see some direct questioning at Blair by the other parties.
I watched a couple of sessions of this and it was intense!!!
Would be a nice feature in the US as a reform to current procedures..
IKON
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Originally posted by Steve
Yikes! Are you sure you are talking about Bush and not Kerry?
Can you site examples of Bush's waffling? If you want I can site numerous examples of Kerry doing so.
Oops! Sorry, I meant to include this link.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/bush-bs.html
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Originally posted by Steve
Wrong. Have you ever attended a speech?
Any other crap you care to invent for the sake of your position?
Why do I have to attend when I can watch on TV? Comes out gives a speech and leaves. Compared to Blair he hardly answers questions at all. I don't need to invent stuff for the sake of my position. But then your probably so pro Bush he could say the world is flat and you'd believe him.
So the argument is a dead duck, really.
...-Gixer
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Won't bother watching it anyway, just read this in a news story. What a waste of time, nothing but another media show. Wonder why they even call it a debate.
Wonder whether it's a election to decide who the next President is or on who spent the most money and had the best media coverage.
Really like to see Bush face questions one day in the same way Blair does.
"Almost every conceivable detail has already been agreed between the two campaigns in a 32-page memorandum."
"Neither will be allowed to quiz the other and all comments must be made through the moderator, Jim Lehrer of the Public Broadcasting Service. "
""It basically is ensuring that there will be a healthy exchange of ideas. There’ll be a lot of topics covered. No gimmicks, no tricks, no sudden surprises, so that we really can have a debate that’s dominated by the issues," Karen Hughes, an adviser to Mr Bush, said yesterday. "
...-Gixer
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Bah, you guys are crazy...the debates are a must see.
I agree, they shouldn't be called "debates" though. I always watch them anyway.
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Yeah I don't get that either Nuke.
The debates are the smash hit of the fall season. Must see tee vee.
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The debates are too restricted. No direct questioning between the candidates. But to see which animatronic won, check out The Daily Show's live post debate wrap-up.
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I like Lou Dobbs calls them "Presidential Presentations."
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Originally posted by rpm371
The debates are too restricted. No direct questioning between the candidates. But to see which animatronic won, check out The Daily Show's live post debate wrap-up.
Nah, just watch the debate and get it first hand.
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Strategery.
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Personal attack
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Personal attack
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I don't pretend to know much about your government, why do you pretend to know much about mine?
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Originally posted by Steve
I don't pretend to know much about your government, why do you pretend to know much about mine?
He's an ameristalker - it's what they do.
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Originally posted by Steve
I don't pretend to know much about your government, why do you pretend to know much about mine?
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I'm making comment on Buish's inability to respond well to questions, not on your government itself. Often when Bush does answer a question they are very short and he often uses lines from previous speeches.
If I said it was Kerry that didn't reply well to questions would you make the same point regarding governments?
By the way keep going with the personal comments, as they are just ignored. While showing immaturity and ignorance on your part.
Thanks.
...-Gixer
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wow..gixer..can you wacth Fox news?..Did you see the Oreilly Interview with President George Bush?
I would liek to see you bring some sort of facts before you come here doing drive by pukes about.."hardly answering questions at all"
why do you have such a hard on trying to demean the most powerful country in the world's President?..ya us..USA...
I think you dont liek the answers he gives so you say such assanine statements like "he mummble...he stumbles"
Get ready for another 4 years of taking no crap from the linguine spinned socialists Player hatn panty waist' leaders of the world...
Love
BiGB
xoxo
edit ....
otw to roll skulls in MA....would love to kill
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Bush does have trouble with public speaking at times, thats obvious...
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
He's an ameristalker - it's what they do.
It's called freedom of speech.
Commenting on american politics on an american based bbs which is full of threads on american politics... politics which directly affect watermelon loads of non americans to varying degrees... ameristalking? - that sounds like paranoia to me.
Excel
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why more than an hour?
or will the talking-heads "debate" the debate... rather see ER
regardless of tonite, as those watching it already know who they are voting for, Bush will be Prez for 4 more years ..
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Originally posted by Eagler
regardless of tonite, as those watching it already know who they are voting for, Bush will be Prez for 4 more years ..
I saw a poll released this morning that while 77% have already made up their mind and wont be swayed by tonights show, 18% will use the 'debate' to decide. The number seemed high to me but there it is.
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I think you ameristalkers will be disapointed if you think that the debates will evaporate the Bush lead.
The debates will simply be a way for Bush to make short speeches and look presidential and kerrie will either be forced to attack and look desperate and unpresidential or make speeches that say nothing himself.
What will happen is that the undecided will have and excuse to vote for Bush... the debates will sooth their concience. or.... theyu just won't vote at all...
kerrie won't fire anyone up because of the debates.... except ameristalkers of course.
lazs
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Off topic
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...Kery...look desperate and unpresidential ...
And orange, he will look orange. Don't forget that!
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Originally posted by Steve
And orange, he will look orange. Don't forget that!
An honorary "person of color"
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I HAVE to watch the debates, I've got a 5 page paper due over them Monday. I love higher education, they make you watch stupid things to make you smart.